On Ma, 29 ian 13, 14:35:35, "Morel Bérenger" wrote:
>
> About changelogs, since someone spoke about them (but it is OT from that
> discussion, imho), using aptitude command to retrieve them is quite
> useless, you usually only see changes in packaging, not in real software.
At a minimum you shoul
> 2. If you really, really what to prevent a package from being installed
> you have to configure your system accordingly. For example create a file
> /etc/apt/preferences.d/no-pulseaudio with following contents:
>
> Package: pulseaudio
> Pin: version *
> Pin-Priority: -1
> Explanation: prevent ins
On Tue, 29 Jan 2013 04:12:41 +0100, Chris Bannister
wrote:
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 09:48:13PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
needed, since dependencies for stable are much to old, it easily could
happen that Debian becomes buggier (and more buggy ;) than Ubuntu.
You can bork any system if you re
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 09:48:13PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> needed, since dependencies for stable are much to old, it easily could
> happen that Debian becomes buggier (and more buggy ;) than Ubuntu.
You can bork any system if you really try.
--
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will ha
On Mon, 2013-01-28 at 22:36 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Du, 27 ian 13, 13:39:29, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> >
> > However, Debian tends to completely break production environments,
> > if you update.
>
> You are of course aware that when you talk about "production" with
> Debian this means stab
On Du, 27 ian 13, 13:39:29, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
> However, Debian tends to completely break production environments,
> if you update.
You are of course aware that when you talk about "production" with
Debian this means stable.
> I used Debian because it was said, that I'm not
> forced to use
> -Original Message-
> From: Martin Steigerwald [mailto:mar...@lichtvoll.de]
>
> So I suggest Wheezy to you as well. Spares you an upgrade (which is nothing
> to be scared about in Debian, really, in case you need a help with an
> upgrade or have an issue, just ask here, I never saw a Debi
Hi Martin,
On Sunday, January 27, 2013 08:57:39 Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Hi Mike!
>
>
> 1) Use Wheezy. As I wrote it still has KDEPIM 1 as of KDE SC 4.4.11 which
> means that it will have it during its complete lifetime according to the
> Debian stable policy. I am writing from such a KDEPIM 1
Am Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
> On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 16:21:17 +0100, Chris Bannister
>
> wrote:
> > Which is why there are so many derivatives.
>
> Debian is a good distro, but for some users it has got weak spots, that's
> why other distros try to get rid of those drawbacks.
Am Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
> I read your off-list mail. I didn't read your last mail to the list to
> the end, because it's to long. You ask me to stop, I stopped. Yes, I
> could name a developer, but it doesn't make sense, he's very kind. I
> don't like to fight a battle wit
On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 16:21:17 +0100, Chris Bannister
wrote:
Which is why there are so many derivatives.
Debian is a good distro, but for some users it has got weak spots, that's
why other distros try to get rid of those drawbacks. No doubt about it,
those distros than will ship with other
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 03:48:00PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Now I only want to mention, that making updates for Debian, is
> different to making updates for e.g. Ubuntu and that there's a
> difference between personal experiences and universal validity, that
> some issues overlap, e.g. the Debi
I read your off-list mail. I didn't read your last mail to the list to the
end, because it's to long. You ask me to stop, I stopped. Yes, I could
name a developer, but it doesn't make sense, he's very kind. I don't like
to fight a battle with you.
I only tried to make clear that there are d
Am Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 schrieb Martin Steigerwald:
> What I cared about was the bold matter of factly statements that Debian
> is less upgradeable than Ubuntu to someone who is in the switch from
> Ubuntu to Debian. On which you above seemed to provided the first sign
> of possible evidence.
Am Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
> On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 14:48:47 +0100, Martin Steigerwald
>
> wrote:
> > Am Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
> >> On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 13:18:37 +0100, Martin Steigerwald
[…]
> >> But you called Debian the mother of all.
> >>
> >> Howe
On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 14:48:47 +0100, Martin Steigerwald
wrote:
Am Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 13:18:37 +0100, Martin Steigerwald
wrote:
> Sorry, hit send accidentally.
>
> Am Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
>> On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 13:05:0
Hi Mike!
Am Donnerstag, 24. Januar 2013 schrieb Mike McGinn:
> I have a Dell Inspiron 1545 laptop with 4G of RAM and have been a 'buntu
> user since release 7.04. With each release of the new OS from Kubuntu I
> have been less and less happy with the so called "quality" and I am
> planning a move
Am Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
> On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 13:18:37 +0100, Martin Steigerwald
>
> wrote:
> > Sorry, hit send accidentally.
> >
> > Am Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
> >> On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 13:05:01 +0100, Martin Steigerwald
> >>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 13:18:37 +0100, Martin Steigerwald
wrote:
Sorry, hit send accidentally.
Am Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 13:05:01 +0100, Martin Steigerwald
wrote:
> Only thing that broke was ContentNegotiation with Apache, still want
to
> write
Am Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 schrieb Martin Steigerwald:
> Anyway, what use is comparing? I know that upgrades on Debian work
> *nicely*. I use Debian. So what relevance on earth has it to me to know
> whether upgrades work nicely on xyz?
>
> So if you want to put your time to make a cross-distro
Sorry, hit send accidentally.
Am Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
> On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 13:05:01 +0100, Martin Steigerwald
>
> wrote:
> > Only thing that broke was ContentNegotiation with Apache, still want to
> > write a bug report about it, cause its easily fixable when one knows
Am Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
> On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 13:05:01 +0100, Martin Steigerwald
>
> wrote:
> > Only thing that broke was ContentNegotiation with Apache, still want to
> > write a bug report about it, cause its easily fixable when one knows
> > where to look.
>
> And co
On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 13:05:01 +0100, Martin Steigerwald
wrote:
Only thing that broke was ContentNegotiation with Apache, still want to
write a bug report about it, cause its easily fixable when one knows
where to look.
And compared to other distros, what bugs did appear for those other
di
Am Freitag, 25. Januar 2013 schrieb Mike McGinn:
> On Friday, January 25, 2013 08:11:48 Rob Owens wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:05:00AM -0500, Mike McGinn wrote:
> > > I have a Dell Inspiron 1545 laptop with 4G of RAM and have been a
> > > 'buntu user since release 7.04. With each release o
Am Freitag, 25. Januar 2013 schrieb Tom H:
> On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Andrei POPESCU
>
> wrote:
> > On Jo, 24 ian 13, 10:34:08, Mark Allums wrote:
> >> Upgrades from release to release are more tricky than Ubuntu. It is
> >> sometimes easiest to just install the new version "clean".
> >
Am Samstag, 26. Januar 2013 schrieb berenger.mo...@neutralite.org:
> Le 26.01.2013 01:39, Mike McGinn a écrit :
> > On Friday, January 25, 2013 19:13:45 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org
> >
> > wrote:
> >> Le 24.01.2013 18:06, Mike McGinn a écrit :
> >> > On Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:54:40 Ralf M
Hi Mark,
Am Donnerstag, 24. Januar 2013 schrieb Mark Allums:
> The most noticeable difference to me has been the lack of drivers. You
> are pretty much on your own finding drivers for things. Debian supports
> older hardware quite well, but there is usually a long wait for it.
>
> Upgrades from
Le 26.01.2013 01:39, Mike McGinn a écrit :
On Friday, January 25, 2013 19:13:45 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org
wrote:
Le 24.01.2013 18:06, Mike McGinn a écrit :
> On Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:54:40 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> -Original Message-
and what about #service mysql restart?
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 7:39 PM, Mike McGinn wrote:
> On Friday, January 25, 2013 19:13:45 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
>> Le 24.01.2013 18:06, Mike McGinn a écrit :
>> > On Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:54:40 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>
>> and what about #service mysql restart?
>> I'm starting
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Friday 25 January 2013 17:20:18 Tom H wrote:
>>
>> Unless you're doing an LTS-to-LTS upgrade, an Ubuntu upgrade's more
>> likely to succeed than a Debian one because only six months'll have
>> passed between versions.
>
> Problems seem mostly
On Vi, 25 ian 13, 19:39:50, Mike McGinn wrote:
> >
> > and what about #service mysql restart?
> > I'm starting to think using directly the script is too slow to type,
> > unlike services, which sounds to do exactly same thing?
>
> that is upstart.
sysvinit has it too
$ dpkg -S bin/service
pm-ut
On Friday, January 25, 2013 19:13:45 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
> Le 24.01.2013 18:06, Mike McGinn a écrit :
> > On Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:54:40 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> >> -Original Message-
>
> and what about #service mysql restart?
> I'm starting to think using directly
Le 24.01.2013 18:06, Mike McGinn a écrit :
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:54:40 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Mark Allums
Sent: Thu 1/24/2013 17:34
> The most noticeable difference to me has been the lack of drivers.
Debian does not use http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ .
N
On Friday 25 January 2013 17:20:18 Tom H wrote:
> Unless you're doing an LTS-to-LTS upgrade, an Ubuntu upgrade's more
> likely to succeed than a Debian one because only six months'll have
> passed between versions.
Problems seem mostly only to occur when people haven't read the release notes.
Lis
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Andrei POPESCU
wrote:
> On Jo, 24 ian 13, 10:34:08, Mark Allums wrote:
>>
>> Upgrades from release to release are more tricky than Ubuntu. It is
>> sometimes easiest to just install the new version "clean".
>
> I'm not familiar with Ubuntu, but Debian upgrades hav
On Friday, January 25, 2013 08:11:48 Rob Owens wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:05:00AM -0500, Mike McGinn wrote:
> > I have a Dell Inspiron 1545 laptop with 4G of RAM and have been a 'buntu
> > user since release 7.04. With each release of the new OS from Kubuntu I
> > have been less and less
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:05:00AM -0500, Mike McGinn wrote:
> I have a Dell Inspiron 1545 laptop with 4G of RAM and have been a 'buntu user
> since release 7.04. With each release of the new OS from Kubuntu I have been
> less and less happy with the so called "quality" and I am planning a move t
On Jo, 24 ian 13, 10:34:08, Mark Allums wrote:
>
> Upgrades from release to release are more tricky than Ubuntu. It is
> sometimes easiest to just install the new version "clean".
I'm not familiar with Ubuntu, but Debian upgrades have always worked
fine for me.
Kind regards,
Andrei
--
Offtopi
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:54:40 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Allums
> Sent: Thu 1/24/2013 17:34
>
> > The most noticeable difference to me has been the lack of drivers.
>
> Debian does not use http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ .
Not an issue. I prefer typing:
"/
-Original Message-
From: Mark Allums
Sent: Thu 1/24/2013 17:34
> The most noticeable difference to me has been the lack of drivers.
Debian does not use http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ .
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:34:08 Mark Allums wrote:
> The most noticeable difference to me has been the lack of drivers. You are
> pretty much on your own finding drivers for things. Debian supports older
> hardware quite well, but there is usually a long wait for it.
>
> Upgrades from re
> From: Mike McGinn [mailto:mikemcg...@mcginnweb.net]
> I have a Dell Inspiron 1545 laptop with 4G of RAM and have been a 'buntu
> user
> since release 7.04. With each release of the new OS from Kubuntu I have
> been
> less and less happy with the so called "quality" and I am planning a move
to
> D
Le Jeu 24 janvier 2013 16:05, Mike McGinn a écrit :
> I am happy with what I have experienced
> in my VM and I just want to know if there are any pitfalls I have not
> foreseen.
The only one I can see outside of system being configured differently by
default is the hardware support.
Using a live d
I have a Dell Inspiron 1545 laptop with 4G of RAM and have been a 'buntu user
since release 7.04. With each release of the new OS from Kubuntu I have been
less and less happy with the so called "quality" and I am planning a move to
Debian. As a Kontact user the problems reported with the new ver
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