Am Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 schrieb Ralf Mardorf: > On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 13:18:37 +0100, Martin Steigerwald > > <mar...@lichtvoll.de> wrote: > > Sorry, hit send accidentally. > > > > Am Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 schrieb Ralf Mardorf: > >> On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 13:05:01 +0100, Martin Steigerwald > >> > >> <mar...@lichtvoll.de> wrote: > >> > Only thing that broke was ContentNegotiation with Apache, still want > >> > >> to > >> > >> > write a bug report about it, cause its easily fixable when one knows > >> > where to look. > >> > >> And compared to other distros, what bugs did appear for those other > >> distros, where you run release updates? > > > > I don´t use other distros. > > But you called Debian the mother of all. > > However, Debian tends to completely break production environments, if you > update. I used Debian because it was said, that I'm not forced to use > pulseaudio, that was correct, for two days, then I updated and got > pulseaudio as a hard dependency, without a warning, there were no > changelogs about this issue, that did break audio completely. This wasn't > the only issue ;).
Ralf, just short, cause I do not think I am going to want to waste any more time on such a "which distro is best" discussion. martin@merkaba:~> dpkg -l | grep pulseaudio martin@merkaba:~#1> So what? First thing. It might be a hard dependency for you when using GNOME, but AFAIK that has been an *upstream* decision! > It's not an issue for me, I know how to solve such issues, Debian is a > good distro, but other distros aren't less good, especially for newbies > it _might_ be saver to update other distros, since other distros include > firmware by their distros, so there's no need to add third party > repositories for those distros, especially rolling releases don't force > you to install bad software that only is a hard dependency by upstream, > but Debian does. I do not care about *might*. Here is has been stated boldly that Debian is *less* update friendly than Kubuntu. And all I want is: Either proof, or frankly said: Shut up. And with no word I said that Kubuntu is less update friendly as Debian. Actually I did not say *anything* comparative. Even my SUSE statement where from the past and I know that zypper developers have done a marvellous job. > Just because it works for your needs, btw. still with a bug, doesn't mean > that there aren't other distros that are more user friendly and safer > especially for newbies. > Such discussions IMO shouldn't be about which policy, distro is the best, > who has more or less knowledge, it should be about real experiences, with > different environments. If people don't have experiences, they should > make clear, that they have a special environment and experiences with > this special environment, it does work and in this case can be updated > without an issue. Such discussions are even off topic on this list. > But please, don't claim Debian is the mother of updates. It isn't! Oh, let me redig this: "From my perception Debian is the mother of upgradeability." This is *exactly* what I wrote. And Ralf, frankly: I am perfectly entitled to *my* perception. Unlike others I did not state *my perception* as a *matter of fact*. Can we get over this now? Thanks, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201301271448.47511.mar...@lichtvoll.de
