On Sun, Nov 27, 2022 at 11:03:04AM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 27, 2022 at 10:38 AM Andrew M.A. Cater
> wrote:
[...]
> > People,
> >
> > It is worth thinking that this list is often the first place people come to
> > who
> > are new to Debian. We all need to be polite even when
On Sun, Nov 27, 2022 at 10:38 AM Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
>
> On Sun, Nov 27, 2022 at 01:22:04PM -, Curt wrote:
> > On 2022-11-25, wrote:
> > > I don't think it's productive to shout the C word yet: there /are/
> >
> > I think you people should take your OT bullshit elsewhere. That's
> > mor
On Sun, Nov 27, 2022 at 01:22:04PM -, Curt wrote:
> On 2022-11-25, wrote:
> >
> >
> > I don't think it's productive to shout the C word yet: there /are/
>
> I think you people should take your OT bullshit elsewhere. That's
> more than enough from you and all the others.
>
People,
It is w
On 2022-11-25, wrote:
>
>
> I don't think it's productive to shout the C word yet: there /are/
I think you people should take your OT bullshit elsewhere. That's
more than enough from you and all the others.
On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 02:44:51PM -, Curt wrote:
> On 2022-11-25, wrote:
> >
> > If you care about your results, better find ways of, well,
> > auditing your code.
> >
>
> Are you aware of this?
>
> https://github.com/advisories/GHSA-97m3-w2cp-4xx6
I don't follow those node messups very c
On 2022-11-25, wrote:
>
> If you care about your results, better find ways of, well,
> auditing your code.
>
Are you aware of this?
https://github.com/advisories/GHSA-97m3-w2cp-4xx6
The developer wanted to get back at the Russians, I guess, due to the
war. I think he even documented the malici
On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 01:39:33AM -0500, pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote:
[...]
> [snip]
>
> This was sort of my point. Jeremy objected that open source was
> completely analyzable. And while this is true, it does require a
> certain expertise to do so. We trust our "experts" (as in, not me)
[..
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 20:11:15 -0500
Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 24, 2022 at 06:17:23PM -0500, pa...@quillandmouse.com
> wrote:
> > On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 16:05:31 -0500
> > Jeremy Hendricks wrote:
> >
> > > I have no idea what you mean. It’s open source and you can analyze
> > > the code lin
On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 04:35:25PM +, Andy Smith wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 10:48:42AM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 09:21:51AM +, Andy Smith wrote:
> > > Nevertheless, not all of the licenses we might discuss in the context of
> > > this threa
On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 12:29:07PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > I personally would expect every serious compiler in the world to have
> > been corrupted by one government or another.
>
> FWIW, there are ways to circumvent/mitigate Ken's trusting-trust
> problem, e.g. https://dwheeler.com/trust
On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 12:38:01PM +0100, Mario Marietto wrote:
> Why not ? Think about this : you can put the malicious code where there is
> the lowest chance for someone to look.
And then, you can tie your shoes the wrong way, topple and fall.
Well, duh.
All that rambling is pretty useless if
On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 11:15:26AM +, Joe wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 16:05:31 -0500
> Jeremy Hendricks wrote:
>
> > I have no idea what you mean. It’s open source and you can analyze
> > the code line by line.
> >
> You can analyse the *source* code. The machine code it allegedly
> produce
> I personally would expect every serious compiler in the world to have
> been corrupted by one government or another.
FWIW, there are ways to circumvent/mitigate Ken's trusting-trust
problem, e.g. https://dwheeler.com/trusting-trust/ who haven't found GCC
to be victim of a trusting trust attack.
Hello,
On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 10:48:42AM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 09:21:51AM +, Andy Smith wrote:
> > Nevertheless, not all of the licenses we might discuss in the context of
> > this thread are considered Free by the FSF, so there is a need for other
> > termi
On 2022-11-25, Andy Smith wrote:
>
> Frankly, this whole "the software is designed to take away my control
> and must be made that way by the concerted effort of dark forces!" thing
> sounds lke a thinly-veiled reference to one of Gene's favourite rants.
Sounds kind of like *The Matrix* to me, wh
Why not ? Think about this : you can put the malicious code where there is
the lowest chance for someone to look. A lot of eyes are pointed at the
closed source,because there are less eyes that can look inside there (at
least less eyes than the eyes which look on the source code) and for this
reaso
On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 09:21:51AM +, Andy Smith wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 06:01:30AM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > Life is messy, alas. It's still better with Free Software (I much prefer
> > /that/ spelling than the always coy "open source", so there you go;
> > I thin
Hello,
On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 06:01:30AM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> Life is messy, alas. It's still better with Free Software (I much prefer
> /that/ spelling than the always coy "open source", so there you go;
> I think the latter was invented by spooks!).
Even worse than that! ESR was in
Hi,
David wrote:
> I'm a spook, and proud of it!
A true rosicrucian like me would never admit to be one.
Have a nice day :)
Thomas
to...@tuxteam.de (12022-11-25):
> Life is messy, alas. It's still better with Free Software
So many people are unable to make that obvious reasoning. “SUVs are bad?
But you know, producing your bike polluted too, you're just as bad as
me!”
>
On 2022-11-25 05:01, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
On Thu, Nov 24, 2022 at 09:03:00PM +, mick.crane wrote:
I love open source, more than you might think, but I have a niggling
feeling
it's been infiltrated to make user control difficult.
That is no different from everything else in society. The
On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 06:07, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 12:01:52AM +0100, Mario Marietto wrote:
For most users it makes no real difference using closed or open
source
code [...]
This is a very dangerous fallacy. Free software does make a
difference for all. I have i
On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 12:28:00AM +, Andy Smith wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Thu, Nov 24, 2022 at 09:03:00PM +, mick.crane wrote:
> > I love open source, more than you might think, but I have a niggling feeling
> > it's been infiltrated to make user control difficult.
> > If I was a spook it's
On Thu, Nov 24, 2022 at 06:17:23PM -0500, pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 16:05:31 -0500
> Jeremy Hendricks wrote:
>
> > I have no idea what you mean. It’s open source and you can analyze
> > the code line by line.
>
> Does that include the blobs we're forced to run to make
On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 12:01:52AM +0100, Mario Marietto wrote:
> For most users it makes no real difference using closed or open source
> code [...]
This is a very dangerous fallacy. Free software does make a
difference for all. I have installed and maintained free software
for many friends who a
On Thu, Nov 24, 2022 at 09:03:00PM +, mick.crane wrote:
> I love open source, more than you might think, but I have a niggling feeling
> it's been infiltrated to make user control difficult.
That is no different from everything else in society. There are spooks,
there are folks with good inten
Hello,
On Thu, Nov 24, 2022 at 08:08:46PM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 24, 2022 at 7:28 PM Andy Smith wrote:
> > ...
> > I think the most obvious counter-argument is that it would be a waste of
> > effort and human assets to put exploits in open source software where
> > they stand
On Thu, Nov 24, 2022 at 06:17:23PM -0500, pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 16:05:31 -0500
> Jeremy Hendricks wrote:
>
> > I have no idea what you mean. It’s open source and you can analyze
> > the code line by line.
>
> Does that include the blobs we're forced to run to make
On Thu, Nov 24, 2022 at 7:28 PM Andy Smith wrote:
> ...
> I think the most obvious counter-argument is that it would be a waste of
> effort and human assets to put exploits in open source software where
> they stand a good chance of being found, while there is so much closed
> source software (fir
On Thu, Nov 24, 2022, 6:28 PM Mario Marietto wrote:
> Everytime I say to someone That are skilled I always get the same reply.
> Im not. So what ? there arent skilled people all around anymore ? there are
> many. but likely they dont want to be called like this. Most of the times
> there isnt a l
Smith
Date: ven 25 nov 2022, 01:28
Subject: Re: just saying
To:
Hello,
On Thu, Nov 24, 2022 at 09:03:00PM +, mick.crane wrote:
> I love open source, more than you might think, but I have a niggling
feeling
> it's been infiltrated to make user control difficult.
> If I was a s
Everytime I say to someone That are skilled I always get the same reply. Im
not. So what ? there arent skilled people all around anymore ? there are
many. but likely they dont want to be called like this. Most of the times
there isnt a large numbers of choices when the time to chose a job is came.
Hello,
On Thu, Nov 24, 2022 at 09:03:00PM +, mick.crane wrote:
> I love open source, more than you might think, but I have a niggling feeling
> it's been infiltrated to make user control difficult.
> If I was a spook it's what I'd do.
> Please prove me wrong.
Conspiracy theories aren't falsif
On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 00:51, Mario Marietto
wrote:
you missed the fact that Im not Talking about you or about the users
that are very skilled. I use linux from the '90s and I never used one
of the tools you are using. But im not a total newbie. So,think About
how many categories of users
you missed the fact that Im not Talking about you or about the users that
are very skilled. I use linux from the '90s and I never used one of the
tools you are using. But im not a total newbie. So,think About how many
categories of users can use linux without to have a good understanding
about what
On Thu, Nov 24, 2022 at 4:53 PM Alain D D Williams
wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 24, 2022 at 04:05:31PM -0500, Jeremy Hendricks wrote:
> > I have no idea what you mean. It’s open source and you can analyze the
> code
> > line by line.
>
> Very true ... but how much code have you analyzed line by line
Ov
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 16:05:31 -0500
Jeremy Hendricks wrote:
> I have no idea what you mean. It’s open source and you can analyze
> the code line by line.
Does that include the blobs we're forced to run to make Nvidia cards
run really well?
I also have to wonder why Ubuntu (a Debian derivative) s
On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 00:01, Mario Marietto
wrote:
For most users it makes no real difference using closed or open
source code,because yes,they can look inside the code,but to
understand what the code does they need a master degree. So,for all
these users,maybe it's a better idea to use t
On Thu, Nov 24, 2022 at 10:43:19PM +, Peter von Kaehne wrote:
>
> >
> > Even if you have it can be very hard to find carefully constructed back
> > doors.
>
> Shrug.. as opposed to installing closed source programmes where you know you
> are spied upon ? Which may of course have back doors
For most users it makes no real difference using closed or open source
code,because yes,they can look inside the code,but to understand what the
code does they need a master degree. So,for all these users,maybe it's a
better idea to use the closed source OS,at least they will be able to use
the OS
This is my point of view also.
On Thu, Nov 24, 2022 at 5:43 PM Peter von Kaehne wrote:
>
> >
> > Even if you have it can be very hard to find carefully constructed back
> doors.
>
> Shrug.. as opposed to installing closed source programmes where you know
> you are spied upon ? Which may of cours
>
> Even if you have it can be very hard to find carefully constructed back doors.
Shrug.. as opposed to installing closed source programmes where you know you
are spied upon ? Which may of course have back doors but thanks tk being closed
you I’ll not even learn about?
>
> Some code
On Thu, Nov 24, 2022 at 04:05:31PM -0500, Jeremy Hendricks wrote:
> I have no idea what you mean. It’s open source and you can analyze the code
> line by line.
Very true ... but how much code have you analyzed line by line ?
Even if you have it can be very hard to find carefully constructed back
I have no idea what you mean. It’s open source and you can analyze the code
line by line.
On Thu, Nov 24, 2022 at 4:03 PM mick.crane wrote:
> I love open source, more than you might think, but I have a niggling
> feeling it's been infiltrated to make user control difficult.
> If I was a spook it
I love open source, more than you might think, but I have a niggling
feeling it's been infiltrated to make user control difficult.
If I was a spook it's what I'd do.
Please prove me wrong.
mick
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