Re: free vs commercial

2005-01-06 Thread Alban Browaeys
David Jardine jardine.de> writes: > Hang on a sec. Hardware manufacturers are selling hardware, not > drivers. Using their software products "freely" without having > bought their hardware products in the first place doesn't sound > like the sort of thing many people would undertake. Corner

Re: free vs commercial

2005-01-06 Thread Alban Browaeys
> I forgot: I bought a CanoScan Lide30 which I plugged into my laptop. > That was the hard part. The easy part was starting up gimp and selecting > 'acquire' and clicking on my scanning device. It didn't even need the > install cd. Windows users were advised to first install the cd before > pluggi

Re: free vs commercial; open vs proprietary is better dichotomy

2005-01-06 Thread Paul E Condon
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 07:52:29PM -0800, ken keanon wrote: > Hi, > I'll reply in a one-to-many style. > snip... > > I'll continue to compare and contrast. > > Ken The details of a comparison between Debian/GNU/Linux and similarly produced software with Windows etc. is largely foolish. I call t

Re: free vs commercial

2005-01-05 Thread David Jardine
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 07:52:29PM -0800, ken keanon wrote: > >[...] > > Ron Johnson and Ken West touched on an important > point. Whether h/w manufacturers and s/w developers > will come out with Linux-compatible product is a > business decision. One factor to consider would be the > market siz

Re: free vs commercial

2005-01-05 Thread ken keanon
Hi, I'll reply in a one-to-many style. Jerome Benoit wrote: A very good idea is to get a computer box totally supported by the Linux community. And do not forget that Debian does not run only on PC (as WinXP). Where to get those information e.g. how to know if a particular device is supported?

Re: free vs commercial

2005-01-05 Thread Steve Lamb
Paul Johnson wrote: Come on, Steve, you should know better. This is Linux, not MacOS. We get the games. Lemme know when ATI support gets to Linux so I can at least play City of Heroes under Cedega. And natively, forget it. There's more to gaming than a few FPS. -- Steve C. Lamb

Re: free vs commercial

2005-01-05 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wednesday 05 January 2005 10:35 am, Steve Lamb wrote: > (1) ok, two. Games. But it looks like we were talking productivity > here. ;) Umm, what are you talking about? I play games all the time. America's Army, Vice City, Unreal Tournament (the original and 2004), and many, many more t

Re: free vs commercial

2005-01-05 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wednesday 05 January 2005 05:04 am, ken keanon wrote: > Starting with the maxim "To beat MS you have to be as good as, if not > better than, MS", I am constantly comparing the Linux I had installed > with WinXP. Well, we're already better than MS, it's just a matter of time now. > With

Re: free vs commercial

2005-01-05 Thread Steve Lamb
Ron Johnson wrote: After you are added to a group, you must log out for the kernel to "see" the change. That did it. Thanks, Ron. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---

Re: free vs commercial

2005-01-05 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 12:19 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: > Rob Bochan wrote: > > Are you a member of the 'scanner' group? > > Nope. Added myself to it. Still no joy. Nothing in the /dev tree > appears to be chgrped to scanner. :( After you are added to a group, you must log out for the kern

Re: free vs commercial

2005-01-05 Thread Steve Lamb
Rob Bochan wrote: Are you a member of the 'scanner' group? Nope. Added myself to it. Still no joy. Nothing in the /dev tree appears to be chgrped to scanner. :( -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection

Re: free vs commercial

2005-01-05 Thread Rob Bochan
On Wednesday 05 January 2005 01:40 pm, Steve Lamb wrote: > > What device does it show up on? I'm trying to get my LiDE20 (or is it > a 30?) working on my normal user. Works on root but the permissions are > preventing it working on my normal user. I can't figure out which device > it's on.

Re: free vs commercial

2005-01-05 Thread Steve Lamb
David Fokkema wrote: I forgot: I bought a CanoScan Lide30 which I plugged into my laptop. That was the hard part. The easy part was starting up gimp and selecting 'acquire' and clicking on my scanning device. It didn't even need the install cd. Windows users were advised to first install the cd bef

Re: free vs commercial

2005-01-05 Thread Steve Lamb
ken keanon wrote: Starting with the maxim "To beat MS you have to be as good as, if not better than, MS", I am constantly comparing the Linux I had installed with WinXP. [snip] What I find wanting in Linux is Device Management. With plug-in, adding new devices to WinXP is a breeze but not in Linux

Re: free vs commercial

2005-01-05 Thread Kent West
ken keanon wrote: Starting with the maxim "To beat MS you have to be as good as, if not better than, MS", I am constantly comparing the Linux I had installed with WinXP. With Konqueror, the Window Management, File Management, Web Browsing is on par with WinXP. What I find wanting in Linux is Devi

Re: free vs commercial

2005-01-05 Thread David Fokkema
On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 15:13 +0100, David Fokkema wrote: > On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 13:44 +, Jerome BENOIT wrote: > > Hello, > > > > ken keanon wrote: > > > Hi folks, > > > > > > Since my discourse about free software last month, I > > > had installed Debian GNU/Linux Sarge on one partition > > >

Re: free vs commercial

2005-01-05 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 05:04 -0800, ken keanon wrote: > Hi folks, > > Since my discourse about free software last month, I > had installed Debian GNU/Linux Sarge on one partition > of my harddisk while retaining WinXP in another. > > Starting with the maxim "To beat MS you have to be as > good as

Re: free vs commercial

2005-01-05 Thread David Fokkema
On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 13:44 +, Jerome BENOIT wrote: > Hello, > > ken keanon wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > > Since my discourse about free software last month, I > > had installed Debian GNU/Linux Sarge on one partition > > of my harddisk while retaining WinXP in another. > > > > Starting with

Re: free vs commercial

2005-01-05 Thread Jerome BENOIT
Hello, ken keanon wrote: Hi folks, Since my discourse about free software last month, I had installed Debian GNU/Linux Sarge on one partition of my harddisk while retaining WinXP in another. Starting with the maxim "To beat MS you have to be as good as, if not better than, MS", I am constantly co

free vs commercial

2005-01-05 Thread ken keanon
Hi folks, Since my discourse about free software last month, I had installed Debian GNU/Linux Sarge on one partition of my harddisk while retaining WinXP in another. Starting with the maxim "To beat MS you have to be as good as, if not better than, MS", I am constantly comparing the Linux I had