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Re: Online list of messages to debian-user is down ?

2017-11-12 Thread Richard Owlett
On 11/11/2017 10:08 PM, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 7:26 AM, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 7:04 AM, Laurent Lyaudet wrote: Hello, When I go to : https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/11/threads.html there is this message at the end of the web

Re: Online list of messages to debian-user is down ?

2017-11-11 Thread kamaraju kusumanchi
On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 7:26 AM, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: > On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 7:04 AM, Laurent Lyaudet > wrote: >> Hello, >> >> When I go to : >> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/11/threads.html >> there is this message at the end of the webpage : >> "The last update was on 2

Re: Online list of messages to debian-user is down ?

2017-11-11 Thread kamaraju kusumanchi
On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 7:04 AM, Laurent Lyaudet wrote: > Hello, > > When I go to : > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/11/threads.html > there is this message at the end of the webpage : > "The last update was on 23:20 GMT Thu Nov 09. There are 348 messages. Page > 1 of 1." > It used

Online list of messages to debian-user is down ?

2017-11-11 Thread Laurent Lyaudet
Hello, When I go to : https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/11/threads.html there is this message at the end of the webpage : "The last update was on 23:20 GMT Thu Nov 09. There are 348 messages. Page 1 of 1." It used to be refreshed every 20 minutes but it doesn't seem to work anymore. I

Did your post to debian-user make it?

2016-04-22 Thread Richard Owlett
For recent posts go to https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/recent . For posts of last few decades see https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ . Links to useful (even fascinating) info at https://lists.debian.org/ . Enjoy.

Re: emails to debian-user silently dropped ??? -- was Fwd: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-10-27 Thread Zenaan Harkness
What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel? >> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > > Friend, it would be better to give us Message-ID, not the whole message. > And, btw, why don't you use archives or NNTP to check it yourself? Thank you, I shall post just

Re: emails to debian-user silently dropped ??? -- was Fwd: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-10-27 Thread Zenaan Harkness
ogle's site:l.d.o search, which also failed to find the thread, when I used what looked like a unique phrase. Sorry about my search-fu.) Thanks all, Zenaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact lis

Re: emails to debian-user silently dropped ??? -- was Fwd: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-10-27 Thread Miles Fidelman
difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. Yogi Berra -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/526d6b23.7040...@meetinghouse.net

Re: emails to debian-user silently dropped ??? -- was Fwd: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-10-27 Thread Dmitrii Kashin
Zenaan Harkness writes: > Can anyone tell me where my email went - see below - ?? > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Zenaan Harkness > Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 12:56:13 +1000 > Subject: Re: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Ke

Re: emails to debian-user silently dropped ??? -- was Fwd: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-10-27 Thread Ralf Mardorf
> 31 Aug 2013 12:56:13 +1000 Is this thread that old or was it sent with a wrong date? Have you searched the archive? I guess the list's admin can't help. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". T

Re: emails to debian-user silently dropped ??? -- was Fwd: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-10-27 Thread Ralf Mardorf
> -- Forwarded message -- > From: Zenaan Harkness > Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 12:56:13 +1000 > Subject: Re: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel? > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Snipped, to long to read. Sometimes it takes a while for a mail to come through

emails to debian-user silently dropped ??? -- was Fwd: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-10-27 Thread Zenaan Harkness
s the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel? To: debian-user@lists.debian.org On 8/31/13, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 8/30/2013 10:44 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: >> >> >> Le 30.08.2013 15:11, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : >>> On 8/30/2013 2:00 AM, Joel Rees

Re: Posts not making it to debian-user?

2013-06-18 Thread Harry Prevor
osts aren't marked as spam by Debian filters. I'm sure there could be other reasons that your mail isn't getting through though. -- Harry Prevor -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact

RE: Posts not making it to debian-user?

2013-06-18 Thread amber gilchrist
agian...@gmail.com wrote: > Also, I see two posts from you on the list, from yesterday. Thanks, Alan. I made four posts yesterday, and two more this morning that did not make it through. The part I don't like is that a few of the posts had solutions in them! If I wanted to be paranoid I would sa

Re: Posts not making it to debian-user?

2013-06-18 Thread Brad Rogers
On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 13:22:51 -0400 amber gilchrist wrote: Hello amber, >If you can see this post on debian-user, can you reply to it and cc my >email directly? I suppose only one person needs to do this... I have >been looking at the debian-user archives and none of the posts I've >made last nig

Posts not making it to debian-user?

2013-06-18 Thread amber gilchrist
If you can see this post on debian-user, can you reply to it and cc my email directly? I suppose only one person needs to do this... I have been looking at the debian-user archives and none of the posts I've made last night or today have been showing up... Thanks! amber

Re: mail to debian-user bounces

2011-01-14 Thread Camaleón
implified header) are publicly available in the list archive :-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.01.14.10.13...@gmail.com

Re: mail to debian-user bounces

2011-01-13 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Jo, 13 ian 11, 12:09:58, Camaleón wrote: > > OTOH, I would contact the Debian mailing list admin > (listmaster[at]lists.debian.org) so he/she can check the internal mailing ^^ This munging is not really needed. First, the e-mail is present in all messages and second, Debian,

Re: mail to debian-user bounces

2011-01-13 Thread Steve Kleene
account (aka: another > smtp server) for posting or even use the Gmane web interface: > > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.user As you see, the Gmane suggestion worked. Thanks again. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsu

Re: mail to debian-user bounces

2011-01-13 Thread Camaleón
tp server) for posting or even use the Gmane web interface: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.user Remember that you are not required to be subscribed to the list for sending e-mails. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a

Kudos to any DD contributing to debian-user [was: Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Ma, 27 iul 10, 23:43:07, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > I read debian-user locally via a mail-to-news gateway, which makes it > much more hassle for me to sign messages. Joke aside, I'd rather you continue reading debian-user, so whatever works for you is good ;) Kudos to you and the other DDs[1]

Re: new email test to debian user

2008-12-03 Thread Damon L. Chesser
On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 16:19 -0500, Damon L. Chesser wrote: > sent 4:18 PM, EST 12/1/08 > > and I am subscribed to whitelist. > > > -- > Damon L. Chesser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Replying as requested by my hosted site. -- Damon L. Chesser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [

Re: new email test to debian user

2008-12-03 Thread Damon L. Chesser
On Wed, 2008-12-03 at 13:34 +, Bob Cox wrote: > On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 21:03:36 -0500, Damon L. Chesser ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > wrote: > > > Testing for my rely. Sorry for the noise, there will be no more follow > > ups by me if this goes through > > > > 1/12/08 21:03 EST > > I think you m

Re: new email test to debian user

2008-12-03 Thread Damon L. Chesser
On Wed, 2008-12-03 at 13:34 +, Bob Cox wrote: > On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 21:03:36 -0500, Damon L. Chesser ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > wrote: > > > Testing for my rely. Sorry for the noise, there will be no more follow > > ups by me if this goes through > > > > 1/12/08 21:03 EST > > I think you m

Re: new email test to debian user

2008-12-03 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2008-12-03 13:34:08, schrieb Bob Cox: > 21:03:36 -0500 is 02:03:36 UTC so it seems that damtek.com did not pass > on the message to liszt.debian.org for over eight hours. Is there a header about geylisting? -- do this excessiv! Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack

Re: new email test to debian user

2008-12-03 Thread Bob Cox
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 13:34:08 +, Bob Cox ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > 21:03:36 -0500 is 02:03:36 UTC so it seems that damtek.com did not pass > on the message to liszt.debian.org for over eight hours. Shame I can't do simple maths. Six hours, not eight. -- Bob Cox. Stoke Gifford, near

Re: new email test to debian user

2008-12-03 Thread Bob Cox
On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 21:03:36 -0500, Damon L. Chesser ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Testing for my rely. Sorry for the noise, there will be no more follow > ups by me if this goes through > > 1/12/08 21:03 EST I think you mean 2/12/08 ;-) But there is still something odd going on. The hea

Re: new email test to debian user

2008-12-03 Thread Damon L. Chesser
On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 16:19 -0500, Damon L. Chesser wrote: > sent 4:18 PM, EST 12/1/08 > > and I am subscribed to whitelist. > > > -- > Damon L. Chesser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Testing for my rely. Sorry for the noise, there will be no more follow ups by me if this goes through 1/12/08 21:

new email test to debian user

2008-12-02 Thread Damon L. Chesser
sent 4:18 PM, EST 12/1/08 and I am subscribed to whitelist. -- Damon L. Chesser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-25 Thread Michael M.
On Sat, 2007-05-19 at 08:43 +0200, M. Fioretti wrote: > On Fri, May 18, 2007 16:41:49 PM -0400, Joey Hess ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Frans, Cord, Martin, Pascal, > > > > I'm writing the listmasters because reading debian-user has become > > nearly unbearable for me (one of the sadly few DDs wh

Re: moderation [was: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user]

2007-05-23 Thread Paul Johnson
Mark Grieveson wrote in Article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: > I almost never make offtopic posts. I get the digest, and go through > it for items of interest, occasionally asking for help, and sometimes > attempting to offer assistance. When replying to messages in the

Re: moderation [was: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user]

2007-05-23 Thread Abram B Olson
On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 00:50 -0400, Mark Grieveson wrote: > Offtopic posts do not bother me. The idea of moderation, however, I > feel is repulsive. So, my recommendation is to continue the list as a > free and unmoderated list. > > That concludes my two cents. > > Mark > > I agree with Mark.

Re: moderation [was: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user]

2007-05-22 Thread Mark Grieveson
I almost never make offtopic posts. I get the digest, and go through it for items of interest, occasionally asking for help, and sometimes attempting to offer assistance. Offtopic posts do not bother me. The idea of moderation, however, I feel is repulsive. So, my recommendation is to continue

Re: moderation [was: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user]

2007-05-22 Thread Michael Marsh
On 5/22/07, Celejar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, I thought that our OT discussion was fairly polite. Vigorously argued, but fairly civil. Certainly the people complaining weren't flamed. I haven't been following the longer threads, so I really couldn't say. The code of conduct could certain

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-22 Thread cga2000
the kinds of subject matter that once made it useful. > > > I'd sort of be happy to get back to off topic discussions. > > At this point this meta-topic "rampant offtopic and offensive posts to > debian-user" seems to be dominating list traffic. > > From the

Re: moderation [was: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user]

2007-05-22 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 22 May 2007 11:31:58 -0400 "Michael Marsh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 5/22/07, Douglas Allan Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That's why I suggest a writen code of conduct / policy that covers OT > > and other issues, that is then self-regulated by the users of the list. > > You

Re: [Very-OT] rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-22 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Tuesday 22 May 2007, Celejar wrote: > Lots of sigs are "derogatory of another culture" - those mocking > religion, or liberal / conservative / other political views. It may help people to remember that another person cannot define you or tell anyone who you are, what kind of culture you are p

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-22 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 22 May 2007 10:25:25 -0400 Douglas Allan Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 10:46:09AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > > I see your point about offensiveness, but I'll point out that the OT > > thread I started (Good, evil, etc) was a response to a sig that I felt > > a

Re: [Very-OT] rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-22 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 22 May 2007 10:18:59 -0400 Douglas Allan Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 12:31:01PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: > > > So, then, lets say that a member of Islam has a very "provocative, but > > very accepted in their culture, quote." > > I assume that you mean a

Re: moderation [was: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user]

2007-05-22 Thread M. Fioretti
On Tue, May 22, 2007 06:08:41 AM -0400, Miles Fidelman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > M. Fioretti wrote: > >(*) yes, the moderators, that is listmasters or whatever you want to > >call them. I have read your objection that this is a not moderated > >list, but it is irrelevant. My proposal was to ban

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-22 Thread Freddy Freeloader
On Mon, 2007-05-21 at 22:49 -0400, Celejar wrote: > On Mon, 21 May 2007 10:59:01 -0400 > Hal Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Monday 21 May 2007, Celejar wrote: > > > On Sat, 19 May 2007 17:02:01 +0200 > > > "M. Fioretti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > This

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-22 Thread Greg Folkert
On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 16:41 -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Frans, Cord, Martin, Pascal, > > I'm writing the listmasters because reading debian-user has become > nearly unbearable for me (one of the sadly few DDs who bothers to read > our user lists) due to volume and offensiveness/repetativeness of > o

Re: moderation [was: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user]

2007-05-22 Thread Michael Marsh
On 5/22/07, Douglas Allan Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That's why I suggest a writen code of conduct / policy that covers OT and other issues, that is then self-regulated by the users of the list. You mean like http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct ? Granted, it doesn't cover O

Re: moderation [was: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user]

2007-05-22 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Tue, May 22, 2007 at 06:08:41AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: > There's a legal issue here that nobody's mentioned. > > At least in the US, there is a growing body of law and precedent that > says, essentially: > > - if you provide a list, but don't moderate traffic, you're not legally > l

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-22 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 10:46:09AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > I see your point about offensiveness, but I'll point out that the OT > thread I started (Good, evil, etc) was a response to a sig that I felt > attacked religion unfairly. Many people use quite provocative sigs, > ridiculing (often wittil

Re: [Very-OT] rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-22 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 12:31:01PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: > So, then, lets say that a member of Islam has a very "provocative, but > very accepted in their culture, quote." I assume that you mean as a signature. In the body of a message it would only be appropriate if the recipient of the m

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-22 Thread Miles Fidelman
topic discussions. At this point this meta-topic "rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user" seems to be dominating list traffic. From the archives, as of a few minutes ago: - total messages today (5/22): 69 - total re: "rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-us

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-22 Thread Mike Bird
On Monday 21 May 2007 22:48, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote to Marco: > Seriously, searching the list archives for your email reveals > that aside from pointing out to someone who posted to this > list in Italian that this is an English-only list, pretty > much every single message you have posted has be

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-22 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 22 May 2007 06:58:19 +0200 "M. Fioretti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, May 21, 2007 10:46:09 AM -0400, Celejar ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > wrote: > > > I'll point out that the OT thread I started (Good, evil, etc) was a > > response to a sig that I felt attacked religion unfairly. Many >

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-22 Thread Celejar
On Mon, 21 May 2007 10:59:01 -0400 Hal Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Monday 21 May 2007, Celejar wrote: > > On Sat, 19 May 2007 17:02:01 +0200 > > "M. Fioretti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > > > This is why I'm posting also this reply to the moderators. I really > > > h

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-22 Thread David Jardine
On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 08:15:56PM -0400, Celejar wrote: > On Tue, 22 May 2007 00:47:38 +0200 > David Jardine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 10:46:09AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > > [...] > > > I see your point about offensiveness, but I'll point out that the OT > > > threa

moderation [was: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user]

2007-05-22 Thread Miles Fidelman
M. Fioretti wrote: (*) yes, the moderators, that is listmasters or whatever you want to call them. I have read your objection that this is a not moderated list, but it is irrelevant. My proposal was to ban outright your email or IP addresses, not to hold and check each single email sent to the li

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-22 Thread pedxing
On May 22, 7:40 am, Roberto C. Sánchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What I fail to understand is what difference does it make if text is > above or below a sig delimiter? Either it is offensive or it is not. I > and others have been blasted for supposedly offensive remarks. However, > if you re

Re: [OT] Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-22 Thread Dan H
On Tue, 22 May 2007 01:33:53 -0400 Roberto C. Sánchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What I fail to understand is what difference does it make if text is > above or below a sig delimiter? It doesn't. > Either it is offensive or it is not. What is offensive or isn't is entirely up to the reader.

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-21 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Tue, May 22, 2007 at 06:58:19AM +0200, M. Fioretti wrote: > On Mon, May 21, 2007 10:46:09 AM -0400, Celejar ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > wrote: > > > I'll point out that the OT thread I started (Good, evil, etc) was a > > response to a sig that I felt attacked religion unfairly. Many > > people use qu

Re: [OT] Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-21 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Tue, May 22, 2007 at 03:34:25AM +, s. keeling wrote: > Roberto C Sánchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 04:31:12PM +, s. keeling wrote: > > > > > > No. Think about what you're saying. Sigs are a time honoured > > > practice, and if you don't like one, hit delete an

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-21 Thread M. Fioretti
On Mon, May 21, 2007 10:46:09 AM -0400, Celejar ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > I'll point out that the OT thread I started (Good, evil, etc) was a > response to a sig that I felt attacked religion unfairly. Many > people use quite provocative sigs, ridiculing (often wittily) > political or religious

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-21 Thread s. keeling
Gnu_Raiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >"M. Fioretti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Please avoid this kind of technical suggestions in this thread: > > >* it is still the same unacceptable "since you can buy ear plugs, I > > can yell whenever I want" attitude. See my previous messages > > I think it

Re: [OT] Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-21 Thread s. keeling
Roberto C Sánchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 04:31:12PM +, s. keeling wrote: > > Celejar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > thread I started (Good, evil, etc) was a response to a sig that I felt > > > attacked religion unfairly. Many people use quite provocative sigs, >

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-21 Thread Celejar
On Mon, 21 May 2007 16:31:12 GMT "s. keeling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Celejar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > I see your point about offensiveness, but I'll point out that the OT > > thread I started (Good, evil, etc) was a response to a sig that I felt > > attacked religion unfairly. Many p

Re: [Very-OT] rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-21 Thread Celejar
On Mon, 21 May 2007 12:31:01 -0400 Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2007-05-21 at 08:36 +, steef wrote: > > Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 11:57:42AM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > > > <.> > > > As a side note I must say that I have been a member

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-21 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 22 May 2007 00:47:38 +0200 David Jardine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 10:46:09AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > [...] > > I see your point about offensiveness, but I'll point out that the OT > > thread I started (Good, evil, etc) was a response to a sig that I felt > > a

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-21 Thread David Jardine
On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 10:46:09AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > [...] > I see your point about offensiveness, but I'll point out that the OT > thread I started (Good, evil, etc) was a response to a sig that I felt > attacked religion unfairly. Many people use quite provocative sigs, > ridiculing (often

Re: [OT] Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-21 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 11:53:44AM -0700, Roger B.A. Klorese wrote: > Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > >So, let me see if I understand this. The things for which Michelle, > >Ron, Michael, Johannes, Judd, Florian and I were criticized, because > >they were supposedly offensive, would be OK as long as t

Re: [OT] Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-21 Thread Roger B.A. Klorese
Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: So, let me see if I understand this. The things for which Michelle, Ron, Michael, Johannes, Judd, Florian and I were criticized, because they were supposedly offensive, would be OK as long as they were in a sig? If they also honored the four-line sig netiquette, y

[OT] Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-21 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 04:31:12PM +, s. keeling wrote: > Celejar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > I see your point about offensiveness, but I'll point out that the OT > > thread I started (Good, evil, etc) was a response to a sig that I felt > > attacked religion unfairly. Many people use quit

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-21 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 08:51:30AM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 10:50:27PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > > On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 02:44:10PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > > > > > It would be helpful if that code of conduct had its own page and be > >

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-21 Thread s. keeling
Celejar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I see your point about offensiveness, but I'll point out that the OT > thread I started (Good, evil, etc) was a response to a sig that I felt > attacked religion unfairly. Many people use quite provocative sigs, > ridiculing (often wittily) political or religio

[OT]rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-21 Thread Greg Folkert
On Mon, 2007-05-21 at 02:22 -0500, Mumia W.. wrote: > On 05/21/2007 01:55 AM, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > Just in case you missed my initial proposal, I was suggesting a separate > > list for OT, but still within the Debian project. This way when OT gets > > out of hand posters could move the thre

[Very-OT] rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-21 Thread Greg Folkert
On Mon, 2007-05-21 at 08:36 +, steef wrote: > Andrei Popescu wrote: > > On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 11:57:42AM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > > <.> > > As a side note I must say that I have been a member of a volunteer > > organization for 11 years and I have seen a bit of the dynamic inv

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-21 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 11:51:17PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrei Popescu) writes: > > > IMHO forcing people to take off-topic discussions out of the forum > > (read Debian community) is not good. Debian is based on volunteers > > and for some contributors (yes, answering que

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-21 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Monday 21 May 2007, Celejar wrote: > On Sat, 19 May 2007 17:02:01 +0200 > "M. Fioretti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [snip] > > > This is why I'm posting also this reply to the moderators. I really > > hope they put a stop to this, this time. > > As people have pointed out; this is exactly the

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-21 Thread Celejar
On Sat, 19 May 2007 17:02:01 +0200 "M. Fioretti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > This is why I'm posting also this reply to the moderators. I really > hope they put a stop to this, this time. As people have pointed out; this is exactly the issue. There *are no* moderators! d-u is (currently)

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-21 Thread Celejar
On Sat, 19 May 2007 08:44:09 -0400 Douglas Allan Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 09:11:37PM -0500, Mumia W.. wrote: > > > However, I do think it would be good to add language to the description > > of the mailing list that suggests that people take off-topic > > conv

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-21 Thread Ben Finney
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrei Popescu) writes: > IMHO forcing people to take off-topic discussions out of the forum > (read Debian community) is not good. Debian is based on volunteers > and for some contributors (yes, answering questions is also a way of > contributing, so you - the DDs - don't have

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-21 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 10:50:27PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 02:44:10PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > > > It would be helpful if that code of conduct had its own page and be > > enumerated so that it could be referred to directly when we try to > > self-

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-21 Thread Mumia W..
On 05/21/2007 01:55 AM, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 06:19:12AM +0200, M. Fioretti wrote: On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 11:57:42AM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: If the volume of messages in an off-topic thread is large enough that an entire separate list is being considered, the off-top

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-21 Thread steef
Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 11:57:42AM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: <.> As a side note I must say that I have been a member of a volunteer organization for 11 years and I have seen a bit of the dynamic involved in such a group. The best "contributors" were mostly the

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-21 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 11:57:42AM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > Joey is, I believe, referring to a healthy level of off-topic > discussions on *any* list, not to creating a specific area for > "off-topic" messages. For the messages to be "social lubricant", they > need to be *interspersed* with the

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-21 Thread M. Fioretti
On Mon, May 21, 2007 09:55:22 AM +0300, Andrei Popescu ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > By forum I meant whole Debian, not this list (should have put some > quotes around). > > > Of course. How can you ask such a ridiculous question? Please think a > > bit more before posting. First of all, going by

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-20 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 06:19:12AM +0200, M. Fioretti wrote: > > On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 11:57:42AM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > > > If the volume of messages in an off-topic thread is large enough that > > > an entire separate list is being considered, the off-topic diversion > > > is already beyo

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-20 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 02:59:15PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 03:43:45PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > Agreed. It may be a good idea to add to the mailing lists code of > > conduct a couple of extra lines: > > > > A lot of questions asked on debian-user

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-20 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 02:44:10PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > It would be helpful if that code of conduct had its own page and be > enumerated so that it could be referred to directly when we try to > self-regulate. Eg: "Yoh WhatsYourName, this topic, while interesting in > a general s

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-20 Thread M. Fioretti
On Sun, May 20, 2007 22:15:34 PM +0300, Andrei Popescu ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 11:57:42AM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > > If the volume of messages in an off-topic thread is large enough that > > an entire separate list is being considered, the off-topic diversion > > is

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-20 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Sunday 20 May 2007, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Andrei Popescu wrote: > > On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 11:57:42AM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > >> Joey is, I believe, referring to a healthy level of off-topic > >> discussions on *any* list, not to creating a specific area for > >> "off-topic" messages. For

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-20 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Sunday 20 May 2007, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 03:58:37PM -0400, Hal Vaughan wrote: > > On Sunday 20 May 2007, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > > It would be helpful if that code of conduct had its own page and > > > be enumerated so that it could be referred to directly

[OT] Re: (OT) Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-20 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 05:34:55PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 02:34:50PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: > > > This type of guideline means a whole heck of a lot more than large > > sweeping corrections. Plus, we do need someone to thwack the > > responder(s) from time

Re: (OT) Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-20 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 02:34:50PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: > This type of guideline means a whole heck of a lot more than large > sweeping corrections. Plus, we do need someone to thwack the > responder(s) from time to time. Many could do this, specifically and > privately over private e-mail.

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-20 Thread Miles Fidelman
Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 11:57:42AM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: Joey is, I believe, referring to a healthy level of off-topic discussions on *any* list, not to creating a specific area for "off-topic" messages. For the messages to be "social lubricant", they need to be *in

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-20 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 03:58:37PM -0400, Hal Vaughan wrote: > On Sunday 20 May 2007, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > > It would be helpful if that code of conduct had its own page and be > > enumerated so that it could be referred to directly when we try to > > self-regulate. Eg: "Yoh WhatsYourNa

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-20 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Sunday 20 May 2007, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 11:51:08AM -0700, Mike Bird wrote: > > This particular problem is solved for the most part by a policy > > change that says non-Debian topics are inappropriate. This opens > > the door to various actions starting with "thi

Re: [OT] messages with HTML content (was: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user)

2007-05-20 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 10:58:02AM -0400, Gregory Seidman wrote: > On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 04:07:49PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: > > On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 09:49:14 -0400, Gregory Seidman wrote: > > > On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 02:15:53PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: > > > > On Sat, May 19, 2007 at

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-20 Thread Mumia W..
On 05/20/2007 01:44 PM, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: [...] I propose we add a clause to the code of conduct to address the OT issue. This half of the problem is generally followed but it should be part of policy. The following wording is a starting point for discussion: Discussions whic

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-20 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 11:57:42AM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > Joey is, I believe, referring to a healthy level of off-topic > discussions on *any* list, not to creating a specific area for > "off-topic" messages. For the messages to be "social lubricant", they > need to be *interspersed* with the

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-20 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 03:43:45PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > Agreed. It may be a good idea to add to the mailing lists code of > conduct a couple of extra lines: > > A lot of questions asked on debian-user and debian-devel are asked > regularly. Please consider searching using an Inter

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-20 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 11:51:08AM -0700, Mike Bird wrote: > This particular problem is solved for the most part by a policy change > that says non-Debian topics are inappropriate. This opens the door to > various actions starting with "this is not appropriate, please stop" in > the event that f

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-20 Thread Steve Greenland
On 18-May-07, 15:41 (CDT), Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Frans, Cord, Martin, Pascal, > > I'm writing the listmasters because reading debian-user has become > nearly unbearable for me (one of the sadly few DDs who bothers to read > our user lists) due to volume and offensiveness/repetati

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-20 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Saturday 19 May 2007, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 10:50:31PM -0400, Hal Vaughan wrote: > > On Saturday 19 May 2007, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > > > On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 10:17:16PM -0400, Hal Vaughan wrote: > > > > Did it ever occur to you that there is a reason for "ba

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-20 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 11:43:08PM +, Tyler Smith wrote: > > I think you missed Amy's point. It's great that there are > technical solutions to the OT problem. However, if we take that as > license to continue posting messages that are far, far removed from > the world of Debian, we are going

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