Re: [OT] Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-19 Thread Tom Cook
Wendell Cochran wrote: [snip] > Here's the great precept of Unix: Let each command do one thing, & > do it well. That goes for English sentences, too. This is wisdom condensed, and is too great for me. Tom

Re: [OT] Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-19 Thread Tom Cook
csj wrote: [snip] > Deviant is a politically incorrect term (but you're free to use it). > Yesterday's conformists may well be today's deviants. Imagine somebody > wearing Victorian dress to work or speaking Shakespeare at a board > meeting. My apologies. I was aware of the incorrectness of devia

Re: [OT] Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-19 Thread ben
On Tuesday 19 February 2002 11:21 am, csj wrote: > On Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:50:02 -0800 > > ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > as far as the shift key is concerned, do you really contend that any > > phrase consisting of a misplaced sequence of english words that, by your > > own suggestion, might be

Re: [OT] Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-19 Thread csj
On Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:50:02 -0800 ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > as far as the shift key is concerned, do you really contend that any phrase > consisting of a misplaced sequence of english words that, by your own > suggestion, might be rendered apparent in its meaning only through > forek

Re: [OT] Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-19 Thread csj
On Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:08:14 +1030 Tom Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > csj wrote: > > > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 10:41:48AM +1030, Tom Cook wrote: > > > Wendell Cochran wrote: > > > > > > > > Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 03:52:42 +0100 > > > > Carel Fellinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : > > > > > > > > >

Re: [OT] Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-19 Thread Wendell Cochran
Tue, 19 Feb 2002 06:44:21 +0800 csj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> debian-user@lists.debian.org > > > > > > > and here is really no interest in ridiculing anyone and > > > > > > > less someone who would formulate constructiv

Re: [OT] Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-18 Thread ben
On Monday 18 February 2002 02:44 pm, csj wrote: > > > > > > > and here is really no interest in ridiculing anyone and > > > > > > > less someone who would formulate constructively his > > > > > > > criticism and suggestions ... > > For the life of me, I can't see what's unclear about this > constr

Re: [OT] Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-18 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
* Tom Cook ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly: ... > This paragraph runs close to nonsense! Imagine (you don't need too much > imagination!) if Micro$oft released a product which didn't conform to > the relevant standard. No need for any imagination. Just see .sig (and weep). Dima -- Riding roug

Re: [OT] Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-18 Thread Eric G. Miller
On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 06:44:21AM +0800, csj wrote: [snip] > > > >> i really really don't want you to construe this as any kind of > > > >> xenophobia, > > > >> but this phrase above just doesn't work in english. i have no idea > > > >> what you > > > >> meant to convey by this. > > > > > > >

Re: [OT] Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-18 Thread Tom Cook
csj wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 10:41:48AM +1030, Tom Cook wrote: > > Wendell Cochran wrote: > > > > > > Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 03:52:42 +0100 > > > Carel Fellinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : > > > > > > > > > > and here is really no interest in ridiculing anyone and > > > > > > > less someone w

Re: [OT] Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-18 Thread csj
On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 10:41:48AM +1030, Tom Cook wrote: > Wendell Cochran wrote: > > > > Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 03:52:42 +0100 > > Carel Fellinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : > > > > > > > > and here is really no interest in ridiculing anyone and > > > > > > less someone who would formulate construct

Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-18 Thread Kent West
Carel Fellinger wrote: On Sat, Feb 16, 2002 at 06:37:23PM -0800, ben wrote: On Saturday 16 February 2002 06:33 pm, you wrote: On Saturday 16 February 2002 11:41 am, MH wrote: [snip] and here is really no interest in ridiculing anyone and less someone who would formulate constructively his

Re: OT: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-17 Thread Eric G. Miller
On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 01:27:08PM +1030, Tom Cook wrote: > "Eric G. Miller" wrote: > > > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 12:09:06PM +1030, Tom Cook wrote: > > > Tony Crawford wrote: > > > > > > > > Tom Cook wrote (on 18 Feb 2002 at 10:41): > > > > > > > > > [You should be more optimistic.] There is no

Re: OT: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-17 Thread Tom Cook
"Eric G. Miller" wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 12:09:06PM +1030, Tom Cook wrote: > > Tony Crawford wrote: > > > > > > Tom Cook wrote (on 18 Feb 2002 at 10:41): > > > > > > > [You should be more optimistic.] There is no interest here in > > > > ridiculing anyone, even less someone who formula

Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-17 Thread Matijs van Zuijlen
On 2002.02.17 16:50:32 +0100 Wendell Cochran wrote: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 03:52:42 +0100 Carel Fellinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : > > > > and here is really no interest in ridiculing anyone and less someone who would formulate constructively his criticism and suggestions ... >> i really really do

Re: OT: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-17 Thread Eric G. Miller
On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 12:09:06PM +1030, Tom Cook wrote: > Tony Crawford wrote: > > > > Tom Cook wrote (on 18 Feb 2002 at 10:41): > > > > > [You should be more optimistic.] There is no interest here in > > > ridiculing anyone, even less someone who formulates his > > > criticisms and suggestion

Re: OT: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-17 Thread Tom Cook
Tony Crawford wrote: > > Tom Cook wrote (on 18 Feb 2002 at 10:41): > > > [You should be more optimistic.] There is no interest here in > > ridiculing anyone, even less someone who formulates his > > criticisms and suggestions constructively. > > > > Here endeth the lesson. ;-) > > How much is l

Re: OT: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-17 Thread Tony Crawford
Tom Cook wrote (on 18 Feb 2002 at 10:41): > [You should be more optimistic.] There is no interest here in > ridiculing anyone, even less someone who formulates his > criticisms and suggestions constructively. > > Here endeth the lesson. ;-) How much is less than no interest? SCNR (BTW I'd gue

Re: OT: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-17 Thread Alex Malinovich
On Sun, 2002-02-17 at 18:11, Tom Cook wrote: > Here endeth the lesson. ;-) One can't help but be educated by reading this list... :) While I'm not a "native" English speaker per se, I'm about as close as one can get, and I still consider myself educated by that post! :) -Alex signature.asc Des

Re: OT: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-17 Thread Tom Cook
Wendell Cochran wrote: > > Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 03:52:42 +0100 > Carel Fellinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : > > > > > > and here is really no interest in ridiculing anyone and less someone > > > > > who would formulate constructively his criticism and suggestions ... > > >> i really really don't w

Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-17 Thread Wendell Cochran
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 03:52:42 +0100 Carel Fellinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : > > > > and here is really no interest in ridiculing anyone and less someone > > > > who would formulate constructively his criticism and suggestions ... >> i really really don't want you to construe this

Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-17 Thread MH
> "ben" == ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: ben> On Saturday 16 February 2002 06:52 pm, Carel Fellinger wrote: >> On Sat, Feb 16, 2002 at 06:37:23PM -0800, ben wrote: >> > On Saturday 16 February 2002 06:33 pm, you wrote: >> > > On Saturday 16 February 2002 11:41 am, MH wrote:

Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-17 Thread ben
On Saturday 16 February 2002 06:52 pm, Carel Fellinger wrote: > On Sat, Feb 16, 2002 at 06:37:23PM -0800, ben wrote: > > On Saturday 16 February 2002 06:33 pm, you wrote: > > > On Saturday 16 February 2002 11:41 am, MH wrote: > > > [snip] > > > > > > > and here is really no interest in ridiculing a

Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-16 Thread Carel Fellinger
On Sat, Feb 16, 2002 at 06:37:23PM -0800, ben wrote: > On Saturday 16 February 2002 06:33 pm, you wrote: > > On Saturday 16 February 2002 11:41 am, MH wrote: > > [snip] > > > > > and here is really no interest in ridiculing anyone and less someone > > > who would formulate constructively his critic

Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-16 Thread ben
On Saturday 16 February 2002 06:33 pm, you wrote: > On Saturday 16 February 2002 11:41 am, MH wrote: > [snip] > > > and here is really no interest in ridiculing anyone and less someone > > who would formulate constructively his criticism and suggestions ... > i really really don't want you to const

Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-16 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Feb 16, 2002 at 03:50:22PM -0600, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: > * Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly: > > You are on crack. The maintainer's bug report against debhelper > > explicitly said that he didn't like the dependency on xutils. > > I'm on pot actually. I'm whining about a gene

Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-16 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
* Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly: > On Sat, Feb 16, 2002 at 12:51:48PM -0600, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: > > As far as I can tell the bug is between maintainer's chair and > > keyboard. I don't see how filing a bug against $PACKAGE will fix > > that, I fully expect that bug to be marked "

Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-16 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Feb 16, 2002 at 12:51:48PM -0600, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: > As far as I can tell the bug is between maintainer's chair and > keyboard. I don't see how filing a bug against $PACKAGE will fix > that, I fully expect that bug to be marked "wontfix". Ridiculing > the guy in public, OTOH, might wor

Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-16 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Feb 16, 2002 at 01:09:31PM -0600, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: > * Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly: > > Yup, I saw that. I get rather fed up with people who transmute a known, > > acknowledged issue into a rant about all of Debian though ... > > You didn't read my relpy to dman, did

Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-16 Thread MH
> "Dimitri" == Dimitri Maziuk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Dimitri> * MH ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly: ... >> What's about filing a bug against bitchx instead of passively >> complaining here... Dimitri> I'm complaining rather actively (check the archives). My Dimitri>

Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-16 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
* Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly: > On Sat, Feb 16, 2002 at 01:06:02PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > > Colin Watson wrote: > > > Because that wouldn't make him feel so l33t? It would also require him > > > to actually read the changelog. > > > > > > * Depend on xutils to eliminate a g

Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-16 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
* MH ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly: ... > What's about filing a bug against bitchx instead of passively > complaining here... I'm complaining rather actively (check the archives). My gripe is not with bitchx per se (I've only logged on to irc once or twice last year, I just did a dpkg --purg

Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-16 Thread dman
On Fri, Feb 15, 2002 at 02:54:39PM -0600, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: | * dman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly: | > On Fri, Feb 15, 2002 at 12:56:19PM -0600, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: | > | Ok, now bitchx depends on xutils, who in turn suggests xfree86-common, | >

Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-16 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Feb 16, 2002 at 01:06:02PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > Colin Watson wrote: > > Because that wouldn't make him feel so l33t? It would also require him > > to actually read the changelog. > > > > * Depend on xutils to eliminate a godawful postinst hack which no > > longer worked anyway.

Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-16 Thread Joey Hess
Colin Watson wrote: > Because that wouldn't make him feel so l33t? It would also require him > to actually read the changelog. > > * Depend on xutils to eliminate a godawful postinst hack which no > longer worked anyway. This isn't my favorite solution, as xutils > is big, but it will d

Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-16 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Feb 16, 2002 at 07:51:32AM +0100, MH wrote: > > "Dimitri" == Dimitri Maziuk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Dimitri> Besides, that wasn't my point. I was referring to all > Dimitri> those useless libraries that get installed "because > Dimitri> somebody might want to * run $fo

Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-16 Thread MH
> "Dimitri" == Dimitri Maziuk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Dimitri> * dman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly: >> On Fri, Feb 15, 2002 at 12:56:19PM -0600, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: >> | Ok, now bitchx depends on xutils, who in turn suggests >> xfree86-common, | who in turn d

Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-15 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
* dman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly: > On Fri, Feb 15, 2002 at 12:56:19PM -0600, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: > | Ok, now bitchx depends on xutils, who in turn suggests xfree86-common, > > | who in turn depends on libaxw and so on (THIS BOX HAS

Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-15 Thread dman
On Fri, Feb 15, 2002 at 12:56:19PM -0600, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: | Ok, now bitchx depends on xutils, who in turn suggests xfree86-common, | who in turn depends on libaxw and so on (THIS BOX HAS NO FSCKING X!!!). It is a sugggestion, not a req

Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-15 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
Ok, now bitchx depends on xutils, who in turn suggests xfree86-common, who in turn depends on libaxw and so on (THIS BOX HAS NO FSCKING X!!!). So I have a suggestion: why don't we make ALL libraries "required" and just install all of them as part of the base system? (Well, sans non-DFSG-compliant