Re: Where is Netscape? Problem with Sawmill

2001-11-27 Thread Gong Zeng
#x27;apt-cache search netscape | less') | 2. Sawmill | The sawmill window manager doesn't seem to work. But I have no problem | with the other window manager like Enlightenment and Wmaker. What | gives? Basically, when I switch from Enlightenment (or any window manager | for that matter) to

Re: Where is Netscape? Problem with Sawmill

2001-11-26 Thread Brian Nelson
o set I got had netscape. Besides, you don't wanna use netscape anyway. It sucks. :) > 2. Sawmill > The sawmill window manager doesn't seem to work. But I have no > problem with the other window manager like Enlightenment and Wmaker. > What gives? Basically, when I swi

answered my own issue (was Re: Where is Netscape? Problem with Sawmill)

2001-11-26 Thread dman
On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 11:05:34PM -0500, dman wrote: | any case, sawmill is also outdated and I recommend getting sawfish | (the new name, legal issues) from woody. I have version 0.38 | installed right now (I think potato's sawmill is back at 0.20 or | something) and I see that 1.0

Re: Where is Netscape? Problem with Sawmill

2001-11-26 Thread dman
#x27;s a hint : 'apt-cache search netscape | less') | 2. Sawmill | The sawmill window manager doesn't seem to work. But I have no problem | with the other window manager like Enlightenment and Wmaker. What | gives? Basically, when I switch from Enlightenment (or any window man

Where is Netscape? Problem with Sawmill

2001-11-26 Thread Gong Zeeng
that comes close to Netscape is the netscape-base. Doesn't Debian (I got the 3-disk download version) come with any Netscape package? 2. Sawmill The sawmill window manager doesn't seem to work. But I have no problem with the other window manager like Enlightenment and Wmake

Re: Sawmill v.30 .. where?

2001-11-17 Thread Paolo Falcone
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Hi, I want to use a Sawmill scheme I downloaded, but I don't have the right >version of Sawmill. Does anyone know where I can get version 0.30? Sawmill is now Sawfish. Sawmill schemes should work in Sawfish. __ www.edsamail.com

Re: Sawmill v.30 .. where?

2001-11-16 Thread Frank T.
On Fri, November 16, 2001 at 17:07:35, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, I want to use a Sawmill scheme I downloaded, but I don't have the right > version of Sawmill. Does anyone know where I can get version 0.30? Take a look at http://sawmill.sourceforge.net/

Sawmill v.30 .. where?

2001-11-16 Thread JakeCatfox
Hi, I want to use a Sawmill scheme I downloaded, but I don't have the right version of Sawmill. Does anyone know where I can get version 0.30? Thanks, Deven Gallo

Re: Sawmill: Adjusting Mouse Sensitivity

2001-08-29 Thread Dave Carrigan
"Steve Dondley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I have X installed with Sawmill as my window manager. That's all I need at > this point since I mostly use X for Netscape. xset m a t a is the acceleration, t is the threshold. Normal acceleration is 1, but if it moves

Re: Sawmill: Adjusting Mouse Sensitivity

2001-08-29 Thread Michael Heldebrant
On 29 Aug 2001 12:04:50 -0700, Mike Pfleger wrote: > * Hall Stevenson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > Adjust it in the Gnome Control Panel or 'gnomecc' application. > > Errr.. I thought the original post was clear that _only_ sawfish/ > sawmill was being used.

Re: Sawmill: Adjusting Mouse Sensitivity

2001-08-29 Thread Hall Stevenson
> * Hall Stevenson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > Adjust it in the Gnome Control Panel or 'gnomecc' application. > > Errr.. I thought the original post was clear that _only_ sawfish/ > sawmill was being used. Or did I misunderstand that? I am pretty > intere

Re: Sawmill: Adjusting Mouse Sensitivity

2001-08-29 Thread J. Bruce Fields
On Wed, 29 Aug 2001, Mike Pfleger wrote: > * Hall Stevenson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > Adjust it in the Gnome Control Panel or 'gnomecc' application. > > Errr.. I thought the original post was clear that _only_ sawfish/ > sawmill was being used. Or did I m

Re: Sawmill: Adjusting Mouse Sensitivity

2001-08-29 Thread Mike Pfleger
* Hall Stevenson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Adjust it in the Gnome Control Panel or 'gnomecc' application. Errr.. I thought the original post was clear that _only_ sawfish/ sawmill was being used. Or did I misunderstand that? I am pretty interested in the answer to this, my

Re: Sawmill: Adjusting Mouse Sensitivity

2001-08-29 Thread Hall Stevenson
> My only problem with my setup is the mouse movement > is way too sluggish. How can I change it's sensitivity? I > looked in the "Customize" menu from the popup menu > but didn't see anything that adjusted the mouse operation. Adjust it in the Gnome Control Panel or 'gnomecc' application. Regar

Sawmill: Adjusting Mouse Sensitivity

2001-08-29 Thread Steve Dondley
I have X installed with Sawmill as my window manager. That's all I need at this point since I mostly use X for Netscape. My only problem with my setup is the mouse movement is way too sluggish. How can I change it's sensitivity? I looked in the "Customize" menu from the p

Enlightenment Window Memory/Sawmill

2000-12-14 Thread Richard Hunt
d the .enlightenment folder for chimera and it came up with nothing. Also, how do I set up sawmill so that it works under GNOME? The control panel complains to xterm that it can't run sawmill-client. I am using Debian 2.2 r0 ___

sawmill-client problems

2000-12-06 Thread Richard Hunt
I'm using a version of Debian Potato, and the sawmill package isn't working properly. Sorry, I'm not on my own computer just now so I can't tell you what version of the package it is. When I select it in the the GNOME control centre it complains to the shell that it can&#x

sawmill and debian menus

2000-11-23 Thread mcclosk
security.debian.org. I've been trying out sawmill as a window-manager and liking it well. On one of the machines, everything works smoothly. On the other, the mouse works perfectly well for window operations, but I have no menus. Clicking the mouse on the background image produces no output an

Re: Sawmill config & Gnome CC

2000-11-02 Thread Jonathan Wheelhouse
Gnome CC. But no changes got accepted. So, went to the command line; ran sawmill-ui; the error message revealed some config problem (don't remember exactly). Read the docs and thought I need a ~/.sawfish/custom file. It didn't exist so I 'touch'ed it. And now, I can make chang

Re: Sawmill config & Gnome CC

2000-11-01 Thread Joachim Trinkwitz
"Jonathan Wheelhouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Nothing happens when I click on the 'Run configuration tool for > Sawmill' within the Gnome Control Center. Sawfish (as it is called by now) is configurable in GCC itself (look a little bit further down ...)

Sawmill config & Gnome CC

2000-10-31 Thread Jonathan Wheelhouse
Hi Nothing happens when I click on the 'Run configuration tool for Sawmill' within the Gnome Control Center. What gives? Jonathan

Re: sawfish vs sawmill?

2000-09-02 Thread kmself
On Sat, Sep 02, 2000 at 03:56:27PM -0600, Rick Macdonald wrote: > > What's the difference between sawfish and sawmill (for gnome)? They seem > to conflict with each other, and have the same descriptions. Sawmill was old name for the project. Sawfish is the new name, following a

Re: sawfish vs sawmill?

2000-09-02 Thread Bob Bernstein
On Sat, Sep 02, 2000 at 03:56:27PM -0600, Rick Macdonald wrote: > What's the difference between sawfish and sawmill (for gnome)? They seem > to conflict with each other, and have the same descriptions. > > Which is better/newer? I think he had to abandon sawmill in favor o

sawfish vs sawmill?

2000-09-02 Thread Rick Macdonald
What's the difference between sawfish and sawmill (for gnome)? They seem to conflict with each other, and have the same descriptions. Which is better/newer? ...RickM...

sawmill + gnome? - episode 2

2000-08-12 Thread Ron Farrer
Ron Farrer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I have it mostly working correctly, here is what I've got now: > For right now I just want to know what I am _supposed_ to have in these > boxes inside gnomecc: > > Name: - I just put "Sawmill/Sawfish" Same > Command:

Missing Sawmill menu in gnome!

2000-08-12 Thread Jonathan Wheelhouse
   In the last couple of day I installed Debian potato on a dual boot machine and am now in the process of trying to get everything setup properly. I installed gnome, gdm and sawmill. Unfortunately, in gnome all the windows are missing the top panel where the minimize, maximise and close

Re: sawmill + gnome?

2000-08-11 Thread Ron Farrer
Christian Pernegger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > You could try to purge sawmill-gnome & then install it again. > > (BTW sawmill is session-managed) I could but it is a FRESH install that I did last night. I have never had sawmill/sawfish installed before... Thanks, Ron -- E

RE: sawmill + gnome?

2000-08-11 Thread Christian Pernegger
> -Original Message- > From: Ron Farrer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 12:12 AM > To: Christian Pernegger > Cc: Debian User > Subject: Re: sawmill + gnome? > > > Christian Pernegger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > For m

Re: sawmill + gnome?

2000-08-11 Thread Ron Farrer
Christian Pernegger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > For me, it was sufficient too install the package "sawmill-gnome". It > should set everything up for you and insert the correct entry in the > wm configuration. Hmm maybe the problem is elsewhere? $ dpkg -s sawmill-gnome Pac

RE: sawmill + gnome?

2000-08-11 Thread Christian Pernegger
> -Original Message- > From: Ron Farrer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 8:56 PM > To: Debian User > Subject: sawmill + gnome? > > Hello; > > I am trying to get sawmill to work correctly with gnome. Previously I > was using

Re: sawmill + gnome?

2000-08-11 Thread Francesco Bochicchio
On Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 11:55:31AM -0700, Ron Farrer wrote: > > Hello; > > I am trying to get sawmill to work correctly with gnome. Previously I > was using windowmaker. > > For right now I just want to know what I am _supposed_ to have in these > boxes inside gnomecc:

sawmill + gnome?

2000-08-11 Thread Ron Farrer
Hello; I am trying to get sawmill to work correctly with gnome. Previously I was using windowmaker. For right now I just want to know what I am _supposed_ to have in these boxes inside gnomecc: Name: - I just put "Sawmill/Sawfish" Command: - '/usr/bin/sawmill' is what

Re: sawmill is a herring bone screen

2000-07-06 Thread kmself
On Wed, Jul 05, 2000 at 02:52:21PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: > kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > Not sure of Sawmill's default behavior, but the herringbone is the > > default X Windows background (there's a reason for it, lost in the mists > > of time). > > Not particularly lost. Such a display makes

Re: sawmill is a herring bone screen

2000-07-05 Thread Joey Hess
kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: > Not sure of Sawmill's default behavior, but the herringbone is the > default X Windows background (there's a reason for it, lost in the mists > of time). Not particularly lost. Such a display makes it easy to see moire patterns if your monitor is subtly out of tuns, a

RE: sawmill is a herring bone screen

2000-07-05 Thread Pollywog
I have the same problem with sawmill. Nothing but that herringbone screen. I wanted to leave KDE only because it is getting to be a huge memory hog. I have tried other desktop environments/wm's including Gnome-icewm and now Windowmaker. Enlightenment looks nice, but I had gone back to KDE

Re: Sawmill is a herring bone screen

2000-07-05 Thread Pollywog
Try this: Install Gnome and then put this in your ~/.xsession #!/bin/sh panel & gmc & exec sawmill I installed Gnome, but you could install some other environment. -- Andrew

Re: sawmill is a herring bone screen

2000-07-03 Thread Pat Mahoney
On Mon, Jul 03, 2000 at 04:14:37PM -, Pollywog wrote: > I have the same problem with sawmill. Nothing but that herringbone > screen. I wanted to leave KDE only because it is getting to be a > huge memory hog. I have tried other desktop environments/wm's > including Gn

Re: sawmill is a herring bone screen

2000-07-03 Thread kmself
On Mon, Jul 03, 2000 at 03:45:41PM +0100, Simon Jefford wrote: > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Lindsay Allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 03 July 2000 15:31 > > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > > Subject: sawmill is a herring b

RE: sawmill is a herring bone screen

2000-07-03 Thread Pollywog
I have the same problem with sawmill. Nothing but that herringbone screen. I wanted to leave KDE only because it is getting to be a huge memory hog. I have tried other desktop environments/wm's including Gnome-icewm and now Windowmaker. Enlightenment looks nice, but I had gone back to KDE

RE: sawmill is a herring bone screen

2000-07-03 Thread Simon Jefford
> -Original Message- > From: Lindsay Allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 03 July 2000 15:31 > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: sawmill is a herring bone screen > > > > Hi all, > > I can run windowmaker, enlightenment and icewm qu

sawmill is a herring bone screen

2000-07-03 Thread Lindsay Allen
Hi all, I can run windowmaker, enlightenment and icewm quite happily. But when I try sawmill I just get the herring bone screen. The only sign of intelligence is that the middle mouse button produces a set of menus. This is on three different potato boxes, using either current sawmill or the

Re: GNOME+Sawmill workspaces

2000-07-01 Thread Ed Cogburn
the mouse popup menu) I can't find where to set the "minimum horizontal viewport size". There's no option for this where the flip viewport/workspace toggle is. I'm using sawmill .26. P.S. The menu I get when clicking the middle button of the mouse has "Customize-

Re: GNOME+Sawmill workspaces

2000-06-30 Thread Jim Lisi
Ed Cogburn wrote: > > Francesco Bochicchio wrote: > > > > On Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:32:40 Ed Cogburn wrote: > > > > > > > > > I have GNOME and Sawmill/Sawfish (latest debs from potato/woody) and > > > I want to have 4 workspaces in a horizo

Re: GNOME+Sawmill workspaces

2000-06-30 Thread Ed Cogburn
Francesco Bochicchio wrote: > > On Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:32:40 Ed Cogburn wrote: > > > > > > I have GNOME and Sawmill/Sawfish (latest debs from potato/woody) and > > I want to have 4 workspaces in a horizontal row. The GNOME pager > > works as I want it t

Re: GNOME+Sawmill workspaces

2000-06-30 Thread Francesco Bochicchio
On Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:32:40 Ed Cogburn wrote: > > > I have GNOME and Sawmill/Sawfish (latest debs from potato/woody) and > I want to have 4 workspaces in a horizontal row. The GNOME pager > works as I want it to, except that Sawmill allows moving the cursor to > the to

GNOME+Sawmill workspaces

2000-06-29 Thread Ed Cogburn
I have GNOME and Sawmill/Sawfish (latest debs from potato/woody) and I want to have 4 workspaces in a horizontal row. The GNOME pager works as I want it to, except that Sawmill allows moving the cursor to the top or bottom of the screen as a way to change workspaces just like moving the

sawmill problem

2000-04-24 Thread Jan Pfeifer
for those following this subject, the new version 0.25.2-2 has just fixed this problem, and sawmill was worth the (minimal thanks to dselect) effort :), I'll stick with it ... thanks for the answers ... jan Jan Pfeifer writes: > hi all, > > I've just installed t

Re: sawmill problem

2000-04-24 Thread Joachim Trinkwitz
Jan Pfeifer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I've just installed the Sawmill 0.25.2-1 package, but sawmill won't > run, and keep mumbling > > "error--> (invalid-function (macro . #))" > > to me, each time I run :) It's a bug in one of the re

Re: sawmill problem

2000-04-24 Thread Florian Bartels
On Son, 23 Apr 2000, Jan Pfeifer wrote: > hi all, > > I've just installed the Sawmill 0.25.2-1 package, but sawmill won't > run, and keep mumbling > > "error--> (invalid-function (macro . #))" > > to me, each time I run :) > > if I r

sawmill problem

2000-04-23 Thread Jan Pfeifer
hi all, I've just installed the Sawmill 0.25.2-1 package, but sawmill won't run, and keep mumbling "error--> (invalid-function (macro . #))" to me, each time I run :) if I run it with the "--interp" option it seems to run, but without the menus and don'

Sawmill wont stop trying to read debian-menu.jl

2000-03-08 Thread Bryan Scaringe
I can't seem to get sawmill to stop reading /etc/X11/sawmill/debian-menu.jl. It's quite annoying. What I really want is to have a specific user of my system be able to ignore this file, and be able to define his own sawmill menu. Any ideas on how to accomplish this? Bryan

Re: Sawmill/Gnome raising windows

2000-02-21 Thread Daniel Barclay
> From: Fish Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > ...--being "on top" may be inextricably > linked with being in focus, as it is in windows. That is not true. (A utility called TweakUI can change that setting in MS Windows.) Daniel -- Daniel Barclay [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hmm. A little worrisome: htt

Re: Sawmill/Gnome raising windows

2000-02-21 Thread John Pearson
On Sun, Feb 20, 2000 at 09:44:43PM -0800, Fish Smith wrote > > How can I configure Sawmill/Gnome so that a window > >will rise to the > >top > >if I click on the title bar? > > > I prefer a sloppy focus, one where I can move the > >mouse over a > &g

Re: Sawmill/Gnome raising windows

2000-02-21 Thread TaoX { Brian Hinson; }
on click. TaoX -- www.muhri.net/TaoX [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: '61511769' AOL IM: 'TaoX 0x1' - Original Message - From: "Fish Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 12:44 AM Subject: Re:

Re: Sawmill/Gnome raising windows

2000-02-21 Thread Fish Smith
> How can I configure Sawmill/Gnome so that a window >will rise to the >top >if I click on the title bar? > I prefer a sloppy focus, one where I can move the >mouse over a >window and >have it in focus. However, I don't necessarily want >that window to >

Re: Sawmill/Gnome raising windows

2000-02-20 Thread Phillip Deackes
Randy Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Here's my stupid question for the day (I'm allotted one per day, > aren't > I?!:-). > >How can I configure Sawmill/Gnome so that a window will rise to the > top > if I click on the title bar? By defau

Sawmill/Gnome raising windows

2000-02-20 Thread Randy Edwards
Here's my stupid question for the day (I'm allotted one per day, aren't I?!:-). How can I configure Sawmill/Gnome so that a window will rise to the top if I click on the title bar? I prefer a sloppy focus, one where I can move the mouse over a window and have it in foc

Re: can sawmill be used with slink?

2000-01-18 Thread Joseph de los Santos
Someone referred me to this site which has the deb packages for sawmill and it works great. I haven't had any problems yet. http://www.devin.com/sawmill From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Miguel Wooding SF Ten.Union) To: "Joseph de los Santos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: debian-

Re: can sawmill be used with slink?

2000-01-18 Thread Miguel Wooding SF Ten.Union
"Joseph de los Santos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Greetings! > > I would like to know if sawmill can be used with slink and if so, how do I > do this. This doesn't answer your question directly, but you might take a look at scwm, which is packaged for slin

can sawmill be used with slink?

2000-01-14 Thread Joseph de los Santos
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Re: sawmill

2000-01-13 Thread John Pearson
On Tue, Jan 11, 2000 at 02:43:02PM -0800, Jim McCloskey wrote > > |> I would like to give sawmill a try. So I tried "apt-get --compile > |> source" to grab the potato sources and build in my machine. The > |> process failed (it seems that I have old dpkg-utils

Re: sawmill

2000-01-11 Thread Jim McCloskey
|> I would like to give sawmill a try. So I tried "apt-get --compile |> source" to grab the potato sources and build in my machine. The |> process failed (it seems that I have old dpkg-utils?). Any hints on |> how can I compile sawmill in my machine? You can get the t

Sawmill.

2000-01-11 Thread Paulo J. da Silva e Silva
Hello, I am running slink with october-gnome from http://www.debian.org/~vincent. (thank you Vincent ! :-) I would like to give sawmill a try. So I tried "apt-get --compile source" to grab the potato sources and build in my machine. The process failed (it seems that I have old dpkg-ut

Re: Cannot install Sawmill 0.18

1999-12-07 Thread Marc D Chapman
On Tue, 7 Dec 1999, David J. Kanter wrote: > I have Sawmill 0.16 and last night tried to apt-get the latest available, > 0.18, from this site: deb http://www.rcpt.to/ pending main. However, the > install failed because of librep5 problems. Had the same thing happen to me... > Eve

Cannot install Sawmill 0.18

1999-12-07 Thread David J. Kanter
I have Sawmill 0.16 and last night tried to apt-get the latest available, 0.18, from this site: deb http://www.rcpt.to/ pending main. However, the install failed because of librep5 problems. Everything went smoothly and was seemingly uneventful until the end. I ran apt-get update, then apt-get

Re: I have decided to give Sawmill a try, but............

1999-12-03 Thread John Pearson
On Thu, Dec 02, 1999 at 09:00:19AM -0500, Tam Than Ma wrote > > As of right now, I have decided to give Sawmill a try since many people > recommended it. But my Debian Box doesn't have internet access so I can't > download or use apt-get to get sawmill online. So how do I

Re: I have decided to give Sawmill a try, but............

1999-12-03 Thread Arcady Genkin
"Tam Than Ma" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > As of right now, I have decided to give Sawmill a try since many people > recommended it. But my Debian Box doesn't have internet access so I can't > download or use apt-get to get sawmill online. So how do I go abo

I have decided to give Sawmill a try, but............

1999-12-02 Thread Tam Than Ma
As of right now, I have decided to give Sawmill a try since many people recommended it. But my Debian Box doesn't have internet access so I can't download or use apt-get to get sawmill online. So how do I go about doing this? Can I download the Sawmill package and all its dependant p

Re: same-gnome kills sawmill

1999-12-01 Thread Pedro Sanchez
Where did you get sawmill 0.17 from? I'm running Potato and the latest available deb version is 0.16-1. Are you compiling that yourself? -- Pedro > "Eric Gillespie, Jr." wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 29, 1999 at 02:26:46PM +, > Pedro Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro

Re: same-gnome kills sawmill

1999-11-30 Thread Eric Gillespie, Jr.
On Mon, Nov 29, 1999 at 02:26:46PM +, Pedro Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The following looks to me like a bug against sawmill: Launch the "same > gnome" game and click the "maximize" button. This always logs me out of > the gnome-session (which is my

same-gnome kills sawmill

1999-11-29 Thread Pedro Sanchez
The following looks to me like a bug against sawmill: Launch the "same gnome" game and click the "maximize" button. This always logs me out of the gnome-session (which is my only command in .xsession) killing all other applications except communicator which has to be killed ma

Re: Sawmill window manager

1999-11-07 Thread David J. Kanter
On Sat, Nov 06, 1999 at 03:33:25PM -0800, Eric G . Miller wrote: > IMO, the sawmill in potato is slightly broken because it isn't picking > up the debian menu system. Hopefully this will be fixed before release. And I thought I had screwed something up...Good to know I'm not

Re: Sawmill window manager

1999-11-06 Thread Eric G . Miller
On Sat, Nov 06, 1999 at 05:17:05PM -0600, David J. Kanter wrote: > I've heard a lot of good things about Sawmill, so I downloaded it an started > looking at the documentation. The problem is, I haven't the foggiest idea on > how to use all the functions. The docs seem to be w

Sawmill window manager

1999-11-06 Thread David J. Kanter
I've heard a lot of good things about Sawmill, so I downloaded it an started looking at the documentation. The problem is, I haven't the foggiest idea on how to use all the functions. The docs seem to be written from someone with experience in lisp, which I really don't have.