Re: Reducing HDD writing affect on whole system.

2011-10-19 Thread Sthu Deus
Thank You for Your time and answer again, Martin: >> I do this w/ mc. >> >> But w/ dd it is the same. > >Also with bs=1M? Yes. >> No. 2.5", 5400 RPM - still I do not believe it can be satisfiable >> performance for the drive. > >Oh, I do. I do not see more than 3 blocks in vmstat 1 on IDE >

Re: Reducing HDD writing affect on whole system.

2011-10-19 Thread Sthu Deus
Thank You for Your time and answer, Martin: >> Seems it's the same as FS checking at boot time, isn't? > >Should be. Did it say that it actually *fixed* problems? Was dumb. But the error gone from dmesg. >To make sure, you can try fsck.ext4 -fn from a livecd. It should not >find any problems any

Re: Reducing HDD writing affect on whole system.

2011-10-19 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Montag, 17. Oktober 2011 schrieb Sthu Deus: > Thank You for Your time and answer, Martin: > >How do you copy the file? Maybe the method you use for copying uses > >small buffers and thus needlessly generated disk seeks. You might try > >using dd with bs=1M ;). > > I do this w/ mc. > > But w/ d

Re: Reducing HDD writing affect on whole system.

2011-10-19 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Dienstag, 18. Oktober 2011 schrieb Camaleón: > > I would say it was the first time. Rather weird remounts accur at boot: > > > > > > [ 11.010837] EXT4-fs (sda2): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro > > [ 19.630649] EXT4-fs (dm-0): mounted filesystem with ordered data > > mode. Opts: errors

Re: Reducing HDD writing affect on whole system.

2011-10-19 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Dienstag, 18. Oktober 2011 schrieb Sthu Deus: > >You need to run fsck from a live distribution. Go to grml.org, dd the > >suitable GRML iso image to an empty (!) USB stick or one with > >disposable data, boot this and try fsck from there without mounting > >the partition. If it says clean, use

Re: Reducing HDD writing affect on whole system.

2011-10-18 Thread Sthu Deus
Thank You for Your time and answer, Camaleón: >> I'd say those are normal entries for an ext4 filesystem if they >> occur at booting (for fsck tasks) and not once the system is loaded. Thanks - this important to me. >Ah, I forgot to ask... are you using DM (device mapper)? If yes, why? >Unless

Re: Reducing HDD writing affect on whole system.

2011-10-18 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 13:19:41 +, Camaleón wrote: > On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 14:23:59 +0700, Sthu Deus wrote: (..) >> [ 82.183242] EXT4-fs (sda2): re-mounted. Opts: >> errors=remount-ro,commit=0 >> >> [ 84.304981] EXT4-fs (dm-0): re-mounted. Opts: >> errors=remount-ro,commit=0 > > I'd say tho

Re: Reducing HDD writing affect on whole system.

2011-10-18 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 14:23:59 +0700, Sthu Deus wrote: http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0&hl=en#q=debian+MP-BIOS+bug:+8254+timer+not+connected+to+IO-APIC&hl=en&tbo=1&complete=0&prmd=imvns&tbas=0&source=lnt&sa=X&ei=2RKbTrePHMfAswbhocmUBA&ved=0CAkQpwUoAA&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=bd638b

Re: Reducing HDD writing affect on whole system.

2011-10-18 Thread Sthu Deus
Thank You for Your time and answer, Martin: >> Seems weird - why it is being REmounted instead of just being >> mounted? > >Did you try to run fsck while the filesystem was mounted??? AFAIK it >then resorts to read only mount and only checks the filesystem and >this isn´t a safe result in all case

Re: Reducing HDD writing affect on whole system.

2011-10-18 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Dienstag, 18. Oktober 2011 schrieb Sthu Deus: > Thank You for Your time and answer, Martin: > >Ok, before doing anything else try to repair your Ext4 filesystem: > > > >[ 154.732424] composite sync not supported > >[ 299.358408] composite sync not supported > >[ 304.096062] EXT4-fs (sda2): er

Re: Reducing HDD writing affect on whole system.

2011-10-18 Thread Sthu Deus
Thank You for Your time and answer, Camaleón: >It's pretty usual to see older machines last more than the new ones ;-) Yea, and better supported in Linux! :o) >>>http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0&hl=en#q=debian+MP-BIOS+bug:+8254 >+timer+not+connected+to+IO- >APIC&hl=en&tbo=1&complete=0&prmd

Re: Reducing HDD writing affect on whole system.

2011-10-18 Thread Sthu Deus
Forgot to answer: >Is sda2 the partition you are doing the copy on? Yes. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e9d25e7.0c18cd0a.2b1e.1...@mx.google.com

Re: Reducing HDD writing affect on whole system.

2011-10-18 Thread Sthu Deus
Thank You for Your time and answer, Martin: >Ok, before doing anything else try to repair your Ext4 filesystem: > >[ 154.732424] composite sync not supported >[ 299.358408] composite sync not supported >[ 304.096062] EXT4-fs (sda2): error count: 15 >[ 304.096073] EXT4-fs (sda2): initial error

Re: Reducing HDD writing affect on whole system.

2011-10-17 Thread Sthu Deus
Thank You for Your time and answer, Martin: >How do you copy the file? Maybe the method you use for copying uses >small buffers and thus needlessly generated disk seeks. You might try >using dd with bs=1M ;). I do this w/ mc. But w/ dd it is the same. >> I ran OpenArena that freezed from time t

Re: Reducing HDD writing affect on whole system.

2011-10-17 Thread Camaleón
On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 18:00:26 +0700, Sthu Deus wrote: > Thank You for Your time and answer, Camaleón: > >>> For system that I'm speaking now is a Dell's laptop w/ AMD Tutorion64 >>> 2.4 GHz, 2G RAM, w/ Hitachi SATA 750G in it. >> >>If memory serves me right, Turion64 sounds like an "old" CPU, righ

Re: Reducing HDD writing affect on whole system.

2011-10-17 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Sonntag, 16. Oktober 2011 schrieb Sthu Deus: > Thank You for Your time and answer, Martin: > >Huh? Well compared to SSD they are dog slow with small size random > >read/write operations - typical refered to as IOPS - but I cannot > >confirm that they are slower than PATA drives. They might not b

Re: Reducing HDD writing affect on whole system.

2011-10-17 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Montag, 17. Oktober 2011 schrieb Sthu Deus: > Thank You for Your time and answer, Camaleón: > >> For system that I'm speaking now is a Dell's laptop w/ AMD > >> Tutorion64 2.4 GHz, 2G RAM, w/ Hitachi SATA 750G in it. > > > >If memory serves me right, Turion64 sounds like an "old" CPU, right? > >

Re: Reducing HDD writing affect on whole system.

2011-10-17 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Sonntag, 16. Oktober 2011 schrieb Sthu Deus: > Thank You for Your time and answer, Martin: > >There has been significant improvements with recent kernels. After > >installing 2.6.37 - AFAIR - on my ThinkPad T42 which uses Ext4 I > >actually thought I bought a new notebook. And there have been >

Re: Reducing HDD writing affect on whole system.

2011-10-17 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Sonntag, 16. Oktober 2011 schrieb Sthu Deus: > Thank You for Your time and answer, Martin: > >Thats a typical workload where certain kernels have lots of problems > >with interactivity. I think its best to use at least kernel 2.6.37. At > >some kernel version CFQ gained a low_latency mode which

Re: Reducing HDD writing affect on whole system.

2011-10-17 Thread Sthu Deus
Thank You for Your time and answer, Camaleón: >> For system that I'm speaking now is a Dell's laptop w/ AMD Tutorion64 >> 2.4 GHz, 2G RAM, w/ Hitachi SATA 750G in it. > >If memory serves me right, Turion64 sounds like an "old" CPU, right? > >("old" for today CPU's rhythms of life means a mactufact

Re: Reducing HDD writing affect on whole system.

2011-10-16 Thread Sthu Deus
Thank You for Your time and answer, Martin: >There has been significant improvements with recent kernels. After >installing 2.6.37 - AFAIR - on my ThinkPad T42 which uses Ext4 I >actually thought I bought a new notebook. And there have been >improvements after that version as well. > >So it might

Re: Reducing HDD writing affect on whole system.

2011-10-16 Thread Camaleón
On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 23:59:52 +0700, Sthu Deus wrote: >>So, what kind of applications are you running on your system and over >>what hardware? > > For system that I'm speaking now is a Dell's laptop w/ AMD Tutorion64 > 2.4 GHz, 2G RAM, w/ Hitachi SATA 750G in it. If memory serves me right, Turion

Re: Reducing HDD writing affect on whole system.

2011-10-16 Thread Sthu Deus
Thank You for Your time and answer, Martin: >Thats a typical workload where certain kernels have lots of problems >with interactivity. I think its best to use at least kernel 2.6.37. At >some kernel version CFQ gained a low_latency mode which is enabled by >default. Best would probably be to updat

Re: Reducing HDD writing affect on whole system.

2011-10-16 Thread Sthu Deus
Thank You for Your time and answer, Martin: >Huh? Well compared to SSD they are dog slow with small size random >read/write operations - typical refered to as IOPS - but I cannot >confirm that they are slower than PATA drives. They might not be that >much faster, but thats IMHO more a question of

Re: Reducing HDD writing affect on whole system.

2011-10-16 Thread Sthu Deus
Thank You for Your time and answer, Camaleón: >On standard systems setups (where hdds are connected directly to the >sata controller of the board) and non-complex layouts (non-raid/lvm/ >clusters...) I've never experienced freezes nor delays with sata nor >ide hard disks. Not "visible" delays, I m

Re: Reducing HDD writing affect on whole system.

2011-10-15 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Samstag, 15. Oktober 2011 schrieb Sthu Deus: > >> My question is, Whether I can make any adjustments as to FS mount > >> options, kernel parameters, etc? > >> > >> > >> > >> The idea is, If it works extremely slow - to reduce its (the writing > >> process or whatever related to it) priority or

Re: Reducing HDD writing affect on whole system.

2011-10-15 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Hi Sthu, Am Samstag, 15. Oktober 2011 schrieb Sthu Deus: > Thank You for Your time and answer, Henrique: > >Well, *any* issue with the disk subsystem will cause such problems to > >get several orders of magnitude worse, so yes, one must *first* make > >sure the disks are operating at the expected

Re: Reducing HDD writing affect on whole system.

2011-10-15 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Samstag, 15. Oktober 2011 schrieb Henrique de Moraes Holschuh: > On Sat, 15 Oct 2011, Camaleón wrote: > > On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 12:39:05 +0700, Sthu Deus wrote: > > > > > > > I have terrible delays/freezes w/ any application whenever HDD (a > > > SATA one) does its writing. > > > > > > > > That

Re: Reducing HDD writing affect on whole system.

2011-10-15 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 22:02:45 +0700, Sthu Deus wrote: >>Consider running a smartctl test on the disk, it can be dying or having >>a severe hardware problem. > > I have run this way: > > smartctl --test=short /dev/sda > > in 2 minutes it completed and in its log (-l selftest /dev/sda) I saw > its

Re: Reducing HDD writing affect on whole system.

2011-10-15 Thread Sthu Deus
Thank You for Your time and answer, Henrique: >Well, *any* issue with the disk subsystem will cause such problems to >get several orders of magnitude worse, so yes, one must *first* make >sure the disks are operating at the expected speed. How I can be sure the HDD is "operating at the expected s

Re: Reducing HDD writing affect on whole system.

2011-10-15 Thread Sthu Deus
Thank You for Your time and answer, Camaleón: >> I have terrible delays/freezes w/ any application whenever HDD (a >> SATA one) does its writing. > >That should not happen at all. Agree, but... >Consider running a smartctl test on the disk, it can be dying or >having a severe hardware problem.

Re: Reducing HDD writing affect on whole system.

2011-10-15 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sat, 15 Oct 2011, Camaleón wrote: > On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 12:39:05 +0700, Sthu Deus wrote: > > > I have terrible delays/freezes w/ any application whenever HDD (a SATA > > one) does its writing. > > That should not happen at all. But it does. The kernel default IO scheduler (CFQ) has serious i

Re: Reducing HDD writing affect on whole system.

2011-10-15 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 12:39:05 +0700, Sthu Deus wrote: > I have terrible delays/freezes w/ any application whenever HDD (a SATA > one) does its writing. That should not happen at all. Consider running a smartctl test on the disk, it can be dying or having a severe hardware problem. > My question

Re: Reducing HDD writing affect on whole system.

2011-10-14 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 10/15/2011 12:39 AM, Sthu Deus wrote: > Good time of the day. > > I have terrible delays/freezes w/ any application whenever HDD (a SATA > one) does its writing. > > My question is, Whether I can make any adjustments as to FS mount > options, kernel parameters, etc? Please don't ask a perform

Reducing HDD writing affect on whole system.

2011-10-14 Thread Sthu Deus
Good time of the day. I have terrible delays/freezes w/ any application whenever HDD (a SATA one) does its writing. My question is, Whether I can make any adjustments as to FS mount options, kernel parameters, etc? The idea is, If it works extremely slow - to reduce its (the writing process or w