Re: what i've learned, and explanation.

2001-04-17 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 09:17:45PM -0400, D-Man ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 05:29:42PM -0700, Phil Murphy wrote: > | > | Unless I convert my 486-sx to Debian, I'll never see those great > | uptimes I see posted. :) I may do that just because I can. 486-sx, > | 24 megs, s

Re: what i've learned, and explanation.

2001-04-17 Thread Morgan Terry
D-Man wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 05:29:42PM -0700, Phil Murphy wrote: > | > | Unless I convert my 486-sx to Debian, I'll never see those great > | uptimes I see posted. :) I may do that just because I can. 486-sx, > | 24 megs, should run properly I would assume. > > 24MB RAM!! It shoul

Re: what i've learned, and explanation.

2001-04-16 Thread Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier
On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, D-Man wrote: > > Any ideas on where I can find some RAM for it? It only has 2 slots, > so I need to get some relatively large SIMMS. You might have some luck with ComputerGeeks.com, they have some decent prices on RAM and other used hardware. I've bought from them quite a fe

Re: what i've learned, and explanation.

2001-04-16 Thread D-Man
On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 05:29:42PM -0700, Phil Murphy wrote: | | Unless I convert my 486-sx to Debian, I'll never see those great | uptimes I see posted. :) I may do that just because I can. 486-sx, | 24 megs, should run properly I would assume. 24MB RAM!! It should run great, I think. I have

RE: what i've learned, and explanation.

2001-04-16 Thread Phil Murphy
รบ anseo (aka Farside) - Original Message - From: Rob Mahurin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Glyn Millington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Karsten M. Self ; ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 11:01 AM Subject: Re: what i've learned, and explanation. > X_Operating

Re: what i've learned, and explanation.

2001-04-13 Thread Rob Mahurin
On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 03:33:13PM -0400, D-Man wrote: > Ditto. The list has enough volume as it is without adding an extra > mail every day. Sending it to new subscribers (or on-demand) sounds > like a good idea. I would also recommend making it fairly easy to > find on the signup/archive web p

Re: what i've learned, and explanation.

2001-04-13 Thread Glyn Millington
On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > To that end, the rest of this document has the following structure: > > 1. How to Find (and Understand) Documentation > 1.1 Figuring Out the Name of a Command > apropos > [tab][tab] > ... ?

Re: what i've learned, and explanation.

2001-04-13 Thread D-Man
On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 02:01:24PM -0400, Rob Mahurin wrote: | On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 09:05:43AM +0100, Glyn Millington wrote: | > Seems to me that there is a problem for real newcomers with the docs - | > for the very reasons that make them so useful to those who know their way | > around a littl

RE: what i've learned, and explanation.

2001-04-13 Thread Joris Lambrecht
i'm pro ! great teamwork people :) -Original Message- From: Carl Fink [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: vrijdag 13 april 2001 19:26 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: what i've learned, and explanation. On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 09:05:43AM +0100, Glyn Millington wrote

Re: what i've learned, and explanation.

2001-04-13 Thread Rob Mahurin
On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 09:05:43AM +0100, Glyn Millington wrote: > Seems to me that there is a problem for real newcomers with the docs - > for the very reasons that make them so useful to those who know their way > around a little. So much variety, so little time. > > What might help is a daily p

Re: what i've learned, and explanation.

2001-04-13 Thread Ilya Martynov
CF> And make the lists "only subscribers can post"? IM> Please don't. IMHO mailists with 'only subscribers can post' policy is IM> very unfriendly. At least it so for maillists which are aimed to IM> provide support for users. Probably it can be OK for maillists like IM> debian-devel but not for

Re: what i've learned, and explanation.

2001-04-13 Thread Andrew D Dixon
Carl Fink wrote: > On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 09:05:43AM +0100, Glyn Millington wrote: > > > What might help is a daily post to the list with a subject line > > "NEW TO LIST? READ THIS!!" > > How about something automatically sent to anyone who subscribes to > the list(s), ONCE, not every day? And m

Re: what i've learned, and explanation.

2001-04-13 Thread Ilya Martynov
CF> And make the lists "only subscribers can post"? Please don't. IMHO mailists with 'only subscribers can post' policy is very unfriendly. At least it so for maillists which are aimed to provide support for users. Probably it can be OK for maillists like debian-devel but not for debian-user. Man

Re: what i've learned, and explanation.

2001-04-13 Thread Carl Fink
On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 09:05:43AM +0100, Glyn Millington wrote: > What might help is a daily post to the list with a subject line > "NEW TO LIST? READ THIS!!" How about something automatically sent to anyone who subscribes to the list(s), ONCE, not every day? And make the lists "only subscribe

Re: what i've learned, and explanation.

2001-04-13 Thread Erik Steffl
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... > read for those who have little familiarlity with Linux. Personally, I > don't think either of those resources were of any help to me until I was > at least 3 months in, and I had a pretty solid background in general > computing concepts, and the willingness to spend

Re: what i've learned, and explanation.

2001-04-13 Thread Colin Watson
will trillich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 01:16:50PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> 4) Don't make any requests unless you can help to carry them out yourself. >>(By that logic, I can't report bugs in Apache, since I can't fix them, >>and I shouldn't request docum

Re: what i've learned, and explanation.

2001-04-13 Thread Glyn Millington
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: > Second. This isn't win/lose. It's live/learn. How true! So in that spirit, how did you set up that four-stroke kill file ? ;-) Sounds really useful. Seems to me that there is a problem for real newcomers with the docs - for the very reasons

Re: what i've learned, and explanation.

2001-04-13 Thread will trillich
On Thursday 12 April 2001 06:20 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Of course, we will have more and more people coming from the other > paradigm, where there's absolutely no sense of community. Sometimes it > may take an act of kindness on our part to get the ball rolling. Like > I said, maybe I miss

Re: what i've learned, and explanation.

2001-04-12 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 01:16:50PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Ok, ok, I give up. For what's it's worth, here's what I have learned from > the day's events: > > 1) Don't respond to mail when you're already in a poor mood. Excellent advice. I should have followed it my

Re: what i've learned, and explanation.

2001-04-12 Thread tom
On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 05:47:07PM -0500, will trillich wrote: > > Expect two to four months of "aaugh! Ever since the lobotomy i > can't figure anything out" before you can start helping others > here. (Your spouse will hate it nearly as much as you do.) Once > you get past the "i feel lobotomize

Re: what i've learned, and explanation.

2001-04-12 Thread will trillich
On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 01:16:50PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Ok, ok, I give up. For what's it's worth, here's what I have learned from > the day's events: > 2) In fact, don't respond to mail at all if you're going to be expressing >your opinion, unless you've got some homies on the De

Re: what i've learned, and explanation.

2001-04-12 Thread Ray Percival
Having dealt with Lusers for far longer than I care to think about I'm going to go ahead and give some opnions on the subject. >Other important questions are: > >* Specifically, _what_ are people entitled to? Are they entitled to > demand that I spend my time catering to their needs? Are th

Re: Re: what i've learned, and explanation.

2001-04-12 Thread Tom Schuetz
> A good, clear bug report is just as valuable as code, because it can > point out where things are going wrong. A user who is completely > new to an application can point out things which are overly obtuse, > or gaps in the manual. This is good-- but one thing I've run into as the rankest

Re: what i've learned, and explanation.

2001-04-12 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 02:24:42PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... > Anyway, like I said, I think it comes down to that basic question: What > do you believe? Do you believe everyone is entitled to a free, stable OS > regardless of their ability to contribute to it, or should Linux always be >

Re: what i've learned, and explanation.

2001-04-12 Thread Alan Shutko
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Anyway, like I said, I think it comes down to that basic question: > What do you believe? Do you believe everyone is entitled to a free, > stable OS regardless of their ability to contribute to it, or should > Linux always be something that is only usable if you have t

Re: what i've learned, and explanation.

2001-04-12 Thread tom
On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 05:09:06PM -0400, Alan Shutko wrote: > There's a difference between making requests and acting "entitled" to > help. > Well, it sort of depends on what you want Linux to be. If you want it to become something that's easily accessible to all, because you feel that everyone

Re: what i've learned, and explanation.

2001-04-12 Thread Alan Shutko
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > 1) Don't respond to mail when you're already in a poor mood. Always good advice. I wish I followed it more, but I do queue outgoing messages in my mailer by default, so I normally have a bit of cooling-off time. > 2) In fact, don't respond to mail at all if you're go