Re: how to get debconf or whoever to leave my ntp.conf alone

2002-04-24 Thread Shawn McMahon
begin Dimitri Maziuk quotation: > > Had you bothered to pull your head out of your ass and actually check > the archives, you'd find that I'm not only aware of existence and uses > of chattr, but I've also recommended its use more than once to those > whose XF86Config-4 got hosed by xserver upgr

Re: how to get debconf or whoever to leave my ntp.conf alone

2002-04-24 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
* Shawn McMahon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly: > begin Dimitri Maziuk quotation: > > > > > > > > *Boggle* Which part of "USER SHOULD BE ABLE TO MARK PARTS OF > > > > HIS SYSTEM AS ``MAINTAINERS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO FUCK WITH THIS > > > > NO MATTER WHAT''" do you still not understand? > > > > >

Re: how to get debconf or whoever to leave my ntp.conf alone

2002-04-24 Thread Shawn McMahon
begin Dimitri Maziuk quotation: > > > > > > *Boggle* Which part of "USER SHOULD BE ABLE TO MARK PARTS OF > > > HIS SYSTEM AS ``MAINTAINERS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO FUCK WITH THIS > > > NO MATTER WHAT''" do you still not understand? > > > > man chattr > > Search list archives for my replies to "my XF

Re: how to get debconf or whoever to leave my ntp.conf alone

2002-04-24 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
* Shawn McMahon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly: > begin Dimitri Maziuk quotation: > > > > *Boggle* Which part of "USER SHOULD BE ABLE TO MARK PARTS OF > > HIS SYSTEM AS ``MAINTAINERS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO FUCK WITH THIS > > NO MATTER WHAT''" do you still not understand? > > man chattr Search li

Re: how to get debconf or whoever to leave my ntp.conf alone

2002-04-24 Thread Shawn McMahon
begin Dimitri Maziuk quotation: > > *Boggle* Which part of "USER SHOULD BE ABLE TO MARK PARTS OF > HIS SYSTEM AS ``MAINTAINERS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO FUCK WITH THIS > NO MATTER WHAT''" do you still not understand? man chattr -- Shawn McMahon| McMahon's Laws of Linux support:

Re: how to get debconf or whoever to leave my ntp.conf alone

2002-04-24 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
* Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly: > On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 08:17:09PM -0500, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: ... > It is already considered a serious bug for a package to overwrite a > configuration file without asking when the sysadmin has changed it, so > you can stop ranting about Debian a

Re: how to get debconf or whoever to leave my ntp.conf alone

2002-04-24 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 08:17:09PM -0500, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: > * Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly: > > I disagree in the general case, but you probably knew that. I think it > > is an excellent feature of Debian that software is generally configured > > correctly for me. When things

Re: how to get debconf or whoever to leave my ntp.conf alone

2002-04-24 Thread craigw
On Tue Apr 23, 2002 at 11:25:18PM -0500, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: > Jeffrey, don't take it as a personal attack, but... > > Take a clean design: everything is a file, one tool does > one thing only, every tool has a clear and concise manual > page, etc. > > Let nice and well-meaning people embrace

Re: how to get debconf or whoever to leave my ntp.conf alone

2002-04-23 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
Jeffrey, don't take it as a personal attack, but... Take a clean design: everything is a file, one tool does one thing only, every tool has a clear and concise manual page, etc. Let nice and well-meaning people embrace and extend it for about 25 years, and you end up with > Perhaps you need t

Re: how to get debconf or whoever to leave my ntp.conf alone

2002-04-23 Thread Jeffrey Baker
On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 08:17:09PM -0500, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: > * Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly: > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 04:41:53PM -0500, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: > ... > > > According to dpkg(8) those tools consider "unpacked" (but not > > > configured) and "half-configured" as

Re: how to get debconf or whoever to leave my ntp.conf alone

2002-04-23 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
* Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly: > On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 04:41:53PM -0500, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: ... > > According to dpkg(8) those tools consider "unpacked" (but not > > configured) and "half-configured" as "package states". That tells me > > that package configuration is, indeed

Re: how to get debconf or whoever to leave my ntp.conf alone

2002-04-23 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 04:41:53PM -0500, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: > On Tuesday 23 April 2002 16:17 pm, Colin Watson wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 02:04:30PM -0500, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: > > > I strongly suggest that software installation and software > > > configuration are two distinctly separa

Re: how to get debconf or whoever to leave my ntp.conf alone

2002-04-23 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
On Tuesday 23 April 2002 16:17 pm, Colin Watson wrote: > On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 02:04:30PM -0500, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: > > On Tuesday 23 April 2002 12:05 pm, Joey Hess wrote: > > > I strobgly sugest you file a bug; debian packages should not behave in > > > this fashion at all. > > > > I strongly

Re: how to get debconf or whoever to leave my ntp.conf alone

2002-04-23 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 02:04:30PM -0500, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: > On Tuesday 23 April 2002 12:05 pm, Joey Hess wrote: > > I strobgly sugest you file a bug; debian packages should not behave in > > this fashion at all. > > I strongly suggest that software installation and software configuration > a

Re: how to get debconf or whoever to leave my ntp.conf alone

2002-04-23 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
On Tuesday 23 April 2002 12:05 pm, Joey Hess wrote: > John Covici wrote: > > I have found that whenever ntp-simple is upgraded my ntp.conf server > > lines get erased -- I would like to tell debconf or whatever program > > is trying to be so helpful not to mess with my ntp.conf -- this is > > Linux

Re: how to get debconf or whoever to leave my ntp.conf alone

2002-04-23 Thread Joey Hess
John Covici wrote: > I have found that whenever ntp-simple is upgraded my ntp.conf server > lines get erased -- I would like to tell debconf or whatever program > is trying to be so helpful not to mess with my ntp.conf -- this is > Linux after all not some other os, so anyone have an idea of how to