Re: choice of web browsers

riveravaldez wrote: ... > $ dpigs -n2 -SH > 287.7M linux-signed-amd64 > 195.4M firefox-esr > > ;) things be different at this machine: $ dpigs -n8 -SH 499.3M linux 359.6M golang-1.16 357.8M linux-signed-amd64 325.8M libreoffice 292.4M qemu 273.7M rustc 213.1M python3.9 203.5M firefox

Re: choice of web browsers

On Friday, October 29, 2021, Dan Ritter wrote: > kaye n wrote: >> Maybe you're right about Firefox. Any "light" browsers you can recommend? > > The problem with web browsers is that they are basically a > second operating system for computers. > > (The great thing about web browsers is that they

Re: choice of web browsers

At 29.10.21 Dan Ritter wrote: > and then the heavies: > > chromium > firefox I was a long time user of Mozilla based browsers (Netscape -> Mozilla Suite -> SeaMonkey -> Firefox) but lately I found Chromium based browsers faster and more appealing. Beat me, but I even prefer Chrome above Chromi

Re: choice of web browsers

On Friday 29 October 2021 09:10:29 am Dan Ritter wrote: > You can substantially improve the memory usage and speed of > firefox by installing the extension ublock Origin. Thanks for posting this, I've installed it and reviewed a fair amount of the docs. It looks to be truly useful... -- Mem

Re: Choice of "mailname" for mail server: suggestions welcome

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 5:09 AM Tom Browder wrote: > > I am preparing servers to use with OpenSMTPD and Sympa to provide mail and mailing list service. ... After considering all the suggestions, I have prepared a plan, using a bit of pseudo code, to describe what I believe I need to do. Interest

Re: Choice of "mailname" for mail server: suggestions welcome

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 11:04 AM Henning Follmann wrote: > On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 08:47:36AM -0600, Tom Browder wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 08:37 Henning Follmann ... > For years I operated a couple of sendmail installations. That and the > O'Reilly Sendmail book tought me a lot. > Today

Re: Choice of "mailname" for mail server: suggestions welcome

On Fri 21 Feb 2020 at 12:36:38 -0600, Tom Browder wrote: > On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 12:05 PM Brian wrote: > > On Fri 21 Feb 2020 at 11:22:58 -0600, Tom Browder wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 09:36 Brian wrote: > ... > > Thanks, I will read the page in detail later. Meanwhile, I did a qu

Re: Choice of "mailname" for mail server: suggestions welcome

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 12:36 PM Tom Browder wrote: > On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 12:05 PM Brian wrote: > > Thanks, I will read the page in detail later. Meanwhile, I did a quick > > search on the page for "mailname" and didn't get anything. Anyway, what > > I really wanted to know was what function

Re: Choice of "mailname" for mail server: suggestions welcome

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 12:05 PM Brian wrote: > On Fri 21 Feb 2020 at 11:22:58 -0600, Tom Browder wrote: > > > On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 09:36 Brian wrote: ... > Thanks, I will read the page in detail later. Meanwhile, I did a quick > search on the page for "mailname" and didn't get anything. Anywa

Re: Choice of "mailname" for mail server: suggestions welcome

On Fri 21 Feb 2020 at 11:22:58 -0600, Tom Browder wrote: > On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 09:36 Brian wrote: > > > On Fri 21 Feb 2020 at 05:09:47 -0600, Tom Browder wrote: > > > ... > | > I need to settle on names to define as the "mailname" for each the two > > > > servers I will designate for the DN

Re: Choice of "mailname" for mail server: suggestions welcome

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 09:36 Brian wrote: > On Fri 21 Feb 2020 at 05:09:47 -0600, Tom Browder wrote: > ... | > I need to settle on names to define as the "mailname" for each the two > > servers I will designate for the DNS MX records for all my mail-enabled > > domains. The mailnames should be

Re: Choice of "mailname" for mail server: suggestions welcome

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 08:47:36AM -0600, Tom Browder wrote: > On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 08:37 Henning Follmann > wrote: > > > On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 12:38:45PM +0100, john doe wrote: > > ... > > > Don't do THAT! > > > > RFC2181 section 10.3 says you can't point your MX record to a CNAME > > >

Re: Choice of "mailname" for mail server: suggestions welcome

On Fri 21 Feb 2020 at 05:09:47 -0600, Tom Browder wrote: > I am preparing servers to use with OpenSMTPD and Sympa to provide mail and > mailing list service. > > I need to settle on names to define as the "mailname" for each the two > servers I will designate for the DNS MX records for all my mai

Re: Choice of "mailname" for mail server: suggestions welcome

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 08:37 Henning Follmann wrote: > On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 12:38:45PM +0100, john doe wrote: ... > Don't do THAT! > > RFC2181 section 10.3 says you can't point your MX record to a CNAME > Maybe that's why Namecheap has the MXE record that points to an IP. Besides the rele

Re: Choice of "mailname" for mail server: suggestions welcome

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 12:38:45PM +0100, john doe wrote: > On 2/21/2020 12:09 PM, Tom Browder wrote: > > I am preparing servers to use with OpenSMTPD and Sympa to provide mail and > > mailing list service. > > > > I need to settle on names to define as the "mailname" for each the two > > servers I

Re: Choice of "mailname" for mail server: suggestions welcome

On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 06:46:59 -0600 Tom Browder wrote: > On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 06:29 Joe wrote: > > > On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 06:00:14 -0600 > > Tom Browder wrote: > > ... > > > > As I understand it, a mail server has to use smtp to physically > > > transfer mail between physical hosts and th

Re: Choice of "mailname" for mail server: suggestions welcome

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 06:29 Joe wrote: > On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 06:00:14 -0600 > Tom Browder wrote: ... > > As I understand it, a mail server has to use smtp to physically > > transfer mail between physical hosts and that requires one name that > > will resolve to an IP. Even if the server is h

Re: Choice of "mailname" for mail server: suggestions welcome

Quoting Tom Browder (2020-02-21 13:17:52) > On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 06:00 Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > > Hi tom, > > > ... > > > > Does anyone have strong reasons to use one over another, or any other > > > > choice? > > > ... > > > Depends on the purpose of the name(s). > > ... > > Thanks, Jo

Re: Choice of "mailname" for mail server: suggestions welcome

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 06:17 Michael Howard wrote: ... > I don't know your use case but using 'regular' names like smtp.example.com, > imap.example.com, pop3.example.com etc, help with the auto config > processes used on devices, thus making it easier for users to setup > accounts on their devic

Re: Choice of "mailname" for mail server: suggestions welcome

On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 06:00:14 -0600 Tom Browder wrote: > On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 05:39 john doe wrote: > ... > > > I might be missing something here but the domain name is what you > > buy/what you get. > > > Note I own (techically it's more of a rental or lease) multiple > domains hosted ac

Re: Choice of "mailname" for mail server: suggestions welcome

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 06:00 Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Hi tom, > ... > > Does anyone have strong reasons to use one over another, or any other > > choice? > ... > Depends on the purpose of the name(s). ... Thanks, Jonas, that makes good sense. Based on that I should use "mail" and maybe "mai

Re: Choice of "mailname" for mail server: suggestions welcome

On 21/02/2020 11:09, Tom Browder wrote: I am preparing servers to use with OpenSMTPD and Sympa to provide mail and mailing list service. I need to settle on names to define as the "mailname" for each the two servers I will designate for the DNS MX records for all my mail-enabled domains. The

Re: Choice of "mailname" for mail server: suggestions welcome

Hi tom, Quoting Tom Browder (2020-02-21 12:09:47) > I am preparing servers to use with OpenSMTPD and Sympa to provide mail > and mailing list service. > > I need to settle on names to define as the "mailname" for each the two > servers I will designate for the DNS MX records for all my > mail-

Re: Choice of "mailname" for mail server: suggestions welcome

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 05:39 john doe wrote: ... > I might be missing something here but the domain name is what you > buy/what you get. Note I own (techically it's more of a rental or lease) multiple domains hosted across multiple servers which I also fully control (no sharing, full root cont

Re: Choice of "mailname" for mail server: suggestions welcome

On 2/21/2020 12:09 PM, Tom Browder wrote: > I am preparing servers to use with OpenSMTPD and Sympa to provide mail and > mailing list service. > > I need to settle on names to define as the "mailname" for each the two > servers I will designate for the DNS MX records for all my mail-enabled > domai

Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

On 07/04/2019 08:50 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: On 07/02/2019 04:05 PM, Linux-Fan wrote: ... For my local purposes, I have created my own metapackage (not in Debian...) Please send me a copy. I've a ~10 year old Lenovo T510 whose hardware should be new enough. Apparently runs fine. No nee

Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

On 2019-07-04, Michael Stone wrote: > On Thu, Jul 04, 2019 at 11:26:39AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> If it had been done 10 years ago it wouldn't need to be done now. :) > > (General observation: it's really quite annoying that you remove all > attribution when you quote previous emails in y

Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

On Thu, Jul 04, 2019 at 11:26:39AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: If it had been done 10 years ago it wouldn't need to be done now. :) (General observation: it's really quite annoying that you remove all attribution when you quote previous emails in your replies.) VMs running on a core 2 defi

Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

> If it had been done 10 years ago it wouldn't need to be done now. :) [ The initial install was in 2003, FWIW. ] I do use 64bit Debian on another machine, but to tell you the truth, I don't notice any difference at all (other than bigger hex numbers in GDB which take up more screen real estate a

Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

* On 2019 04 Jul 08:51 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > I've a ~10 year old Lenovo T510 whose hardware should be new enough. I've a T410 running Buster amd64 and have simply installed the VirtualBox binaries from the Sid repository (manually downloaded and installed). I also have QEMU installed for

Old computers (Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?)

On Thursday, July 04, 2019 09:50:36 AM Richard Owlett wrote: > BTW my oldest machine is a Kaypro 10 ;/ Just for kicks, I'll mention that my oldest machine is a Digital Group Z-80, circa 1976, assembed from a kit, and with 2K on board RAM plus 2 auxillary memory boards with 8K each (iirc) for a t

Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

On 07/02/2019 04:05 PM, Linux-Fan wrote: ... For my local purposes, I have created my own metapackage (not in Debian...) -- this is why I suggested a list of packages: I expect that installing all of the packages yields the same result (except for automatically vs. manually installed packages...

Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 02:05:05PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: - start by reinstall Debian using a 64bit system this time If it had been done 10 years ago it wouldn't need to be done now. :) If you just don't want to bother that's fine, but not great advice for anyone starting out. In my

Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

> Because the hardware features to permit efficient virtualization weren't > available on i386-only CPUs. (And there's really no good reason to run a VM > host [vs guest] in i386 mode if it can run in amd64 mode.) By "there's really no good ..." I think you mean "I can't think of any good ...". F

Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 01:20:06PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: think in this day and age it is a bit silly to try and run a VM on a 32-bit host Why? Often the question is not "which hardware should I pick to run this VM" but "what kinds of technology should I use to run this software on this

Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

> I have an innate desire to help people, but more importantly I give > people the benefit of the doubt. Besides I self-taught myself a few > things along the way, so I consider it a win. Yes, please (and please remind me of that as well when I fail to follow it ;-) >> Now, which one of you is go

Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 05:01:11AM +0200, Matthew Crews wrote: > I have no idea what an Owlett thread is, It's what you're seeing right now. It's also the reason I end up writing a filtering program to send all email from certain From: addresses into a spam folder.

Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 08:17:22AM -, Curt wrote: > On 2019-07-03, wrote: > > > >> I have an innate desire to help people, but more importantly I give > >> people the benefit of the doubt. Besides I self-taught myself a few > >> things along the way, so I consider it a win. > > > > I prefer t

Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

On 2019-07-03, wrote: > >> I have an innate desire to help people, but more importantly I give >> people the benefit of the doubt. Besides I self-taught myself a few >> things along the way, so I consider it a win. > > I prefer that one, too :) People get the benefit of the doubt until they remo

Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 05:01:11AM +0200, Matthew Crews wrote: > On 7/2/19 1:20 PM, Andy Smith wrote: > > I do feel sorry for you Matthew. You have been enticed into spending > > considerable time giving a thorough answer in an Owlett thread. > > Unfortunately Owlett threads are either an ongoing I

Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

On 7/2/19 1:20 PM, Andy Smith wrote: > I do feel sorry for you Matthew. You have been enticed into spending > considerable time giving a thorough answer in an Owlett thread. > Unfortunately Owlett threads are either an ongoing Internet > performance art project or a result of severe mental illness

Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

Richard Owlett writes: On 07/01/2019 01:43 PM, Linux-Fan wrote: Richard Owlett writes: [...] I do not understand. It was an attempt to give you a list of packages that may allow you to start using VMs without further checks ... That your answer was "a list of packages" is key to the comm

Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

Hello Curt and Matthew, On Tue, Jul 02, 2019 at 12:04:36PM -, Curt wrote: > On 2019-07-02, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > A restatement of my question might be: […] > What do we win if we provide the correct answer? A year's supply of > invective? I do feel sorry for you Matthew. You have b

Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

On 7/2/19 8:34 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> I'm partial to VirtualBox. Is that on any of the Debian DVD'S? >> No, because it isn't free software. >> See for details. > > I believe what you wrote is slightly misleading: the base VirtualBox > software seems to

Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

On 7/2/19 8:34 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> I'm partial to VirtualBox. Is that on any of the Debian DVD'S? >> No, because it isn't free software. >> See for details. > > I believe what you wrote is slightly misleading: the base VirtualBox > software seems to

Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

On 7/2/19 8:34 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> I'm partial to VirtualBox. Is that on any of the Debian DVD'S? >> No, because it isn't free software. >> See for details. > > I believe what you wrote is slightly misleading: the base VirtualBox > software seems to

Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

>> I'm partial to VirtualBox. Is that on any of the Debian DVD'S? > No, because it isn't free software. > See for details. I believe what you wrote is slightly misleading: the base VirtualBox software seems to satisfy the definition of Free Software just fine

Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

On Tue, Jul 02, 2019 at 11:17:06AM -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote: > I'm partial to VirtualBox. Is that on any of the Debian DVD'S? No, because it isn't free software. See for details.

Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019, 8:05 AM Curt wrote: > On 2019-07-02, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > A restatement of my question might be: > > > > I run the i386 version of Debian 9.8. > > Using only contents of that set of installation DVDs, I wish to use a VM > > host capable of running multiple VM guests

Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

On 7/2/19 6:04 AM, Matthew Crews wrote: > To determine *which* installation DVD contains one of these programs, > you will need to look at the individual wiki page for each VM host > program, see which package or packages you need, and check the DVD .list > files to see which DVD contains that pac

Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

On 7/2/19 4:30 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > A restatement of my question might be: > > I run the i386 version of Debian 9.8. > Using only contents of that set of installation DVDs, I wish to use a VM > host capable of running multiple VM guests. Although the guests will be > running in com

Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

On 2019-07-02, Richard Owlett wrote: > > A restatement of my question might be: > > I run the i386 version of Debian 9.8. > Using only contents of that set of installation DVDs, I wish to use a VM > host capable of running multiple VM guests. Although the guests will be > running in command line

Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

On 07/01/2019 01:43 PM, Linux-Fan wrote: Richard Owlett writes: [...] I do not understand. It was an attempt to give you a list of packages that may allow you to start using VMs without further checks ... That your answer was "a list of packages" is key to the communication problem.

Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

On 2019-07-01, Matthew Crews wrote: > On 7/1/19 10:35 AM, Curt wrote: >> On 2019-07-01, Matthew Crews wrote: >>> >>> At a cursory glance, it does NOT appear that DVD-1 contains any VM Host >>> software, other than perhaps nspawn (which is part of Systemd). >> >> Isn't nspawn a chroot container?

Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

On 7/1/19 10:35 AM, Curt wrote: > On 2019-07-01, Matthew Crews wrote: >> >> At a cursory glance, it does NOT appear that DVD-1 contains any VM Host >> software, other than perhaps nspawn (which is part of Systemd). > > Isn't nspawn a chroot container? > Indeed, but depending on the needs, it mi

Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

Richard Owlett writes: [...] On 06/30/2019 10:44 AM, Linux-Fan wrote: Matthew Crews writes: On 6/30/19 5:34 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > I'm considering using a VM for some experiments. > Although my web searches have turned up articles about particular > aspects of particular VMs, I've found

Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

On 2019-07-01, Matthew Crews wrote: > > At a cursory glance, it does NOT appear that DVD-1 contains any VM Host > software, other than perhaps nspawn (which is part of Systemd). Isn't nspawn a chroot container? > Hope this helps. >

Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

On 6/30/19 12:12 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 06/30/2019 10:44 AM, Linux-Fan wrote: >> Matthew Crews writes: >>> Are you asking what virtual machine hosts are available on Debian? > > *explicitly* So clearly I struck a nerve, and I apologize. The way you asked your question was somewhat unclear

Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

On 1/07/19 7:12 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > What 32 bit VMs which DO NOT depend on non-FOSS components are available > for 32-bit Debian? > LEARN TO WRITE!! A VM is a Virtual Machine. You appear not to be asking for a Virtual Machine, but software to host a Virtual Machine!!!1! If you ask the

Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

Richard Owlett wrote: > *CAVEAT LECTOR* > If I can't win, >may I aspire to "break even"? > Recently I was chastised for expecting people to *read*. > if no hmr, *DENT* rd frthr ;/ > caveat finis ;/ > > > > > What are my options? > > > > > > > Are you asking what virtual machine hosts are avai

Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

*CAVEAT LECTOR* If I can't win, may I aspire to "break even"? Recently I was chastised for expecting people to *read*. if no hmr, *DENT* rd frthr ;/ caveat finis ;/ On 06/30/2019 10:44 AM, Linux-Fan wrote: Matthew Crews writes: On 6/30/19 5:34 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > I'm considering usi

Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

Matthew Crews writes: On 6/30/19 5:34 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > I'm considering using a VM for some experiments. > Although my web searches have turned up articles about particular > aspects of particular VMs, I've found no inventory of what VMs are > available in Debian. > > My firm requireme

Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

On 6/30/2019 3:45 PM, Matthew Crews wrote: > On 6/30/19 5:34 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: >> I'm considering using a VM for some experiments. >> Although my web searches have turned up articles about particular >> aspects of particular VMs, I've found no inventory of what VMs are >> available in Debia

Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

On 6/30/19 5:34 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > I'm considering using a VM for some experiments. > Although my web searches have turned up articles about particular > aspects of particular VMs, I've found no inventory of what VMs are > available in Debian. > > My firm requirement is that all required

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

Dne, 18. 10. 2014 03:20:25 je Joel Rees napisal(a): When I look at systemd, the fundamental design and structure fly in the face of reason. I'm not trying to be insulting when I say that. For some of us it really does fly in the face of reason. I second that. Some terms that have been used t

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 09:32:31AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Jonathan Dowland wrote: > >On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 08:25:31AM +0200, Ludovic Meyer wrote: > >>Even with the addition 10 to 20 people posting on systemd, > >>it shouldn't be a issue. > >Andrei's point was not that the list /infrastruc

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 03:16:59PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > >- the LSB is a joint project of several Linux distributions. Ironically: > > > > "The LSB has been criticized for not taking input from projects, most > > notably the Debian project, outside the spher

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 08:25:31AM +0200, Ludovic Meyer wrote: Even with the addition 10 to 20 people posting on systemd, it shouldn't be a issue. Andrei's point was not that the list /infrastructure/ was at risk, but that debian-user - this list - was essentially subjec

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 08:25:31 +0200 Ludovic Meyer wrote: > On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 04:49:48PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote: > > On 10/20/2014 02:35 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > >If you mean you are actually DOSing Debian's support channels just > > >to make you're point that's likely to get you ba

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 08:25:31AM +0200, Ludovic Meyer wrote: > Even with the addition 10 to 20 people posting on systemd, > it shouldn't be a issue. Andrei's point was not that the list /infrastructure/ was at risk, but that debian-user - this list - was essentially subject to a denial of servic

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 04:49:48PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote: > On 10/20/2014 02:35 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > >If you mean you are actually DOSing Debian's support channels just to > >make you're point that's likely to get you banned instead, besides not > >achieving anything. > > ~OR!~ > > "Li

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

On 21/10/14 05:24, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote: > Sorry about the newbie question but, can I vote somewhere to "preserve > the choice of init systems" ? > http://boycottsystemd.org/lennart1.png ? ---8<--->8 Please don't top post. Kind regards -

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

On 21/10/14 00:49, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Scott Ferguson wrote: >> On 20/10/14 04:03, Martin Read wrote: >>> On 19/10/14 17:45, Rusi Mody wrote: As for 'wounded ego': Do you have a wounded ego if a dead branch falls and smashes the windshield of your car? Or a Tsunami knocks off you

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

On 10/20/2014 04:54 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 20 oct 14, 16:49:48, Ric Moore wrote: On 10/20/2014 02:35 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: If you mean you are actually DOSing Debian's support channels just to make you're point that's likely to get you banned instead, besides not achieving anythi

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

On Lu, 20 oct 14, 16:49:48, Ric Moore wrote: > On 10/20/2014 02:35 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > >If you mean you are actually DOSing Debian's support channels just to > >make you're point that's likely to get you banned instead, besides not > >achieving anything. > > ~OR!~ > > "List archives ge

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

On 10/20/2014 02:35 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: If you mean you are actually DOSing Debian's support channels just to make you're point that's likely to get you banned instead, besides not achieving anything. ~OR!~ "List archives get refreshed every 20 minutes." is a more likely reason for the

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

On 10/20/2014 10:15 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Sb, 18 oct 14, 10:20:25, Joel Rees wrote: On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 6:14 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: We were objecting to the ad hominem unpleasantness and destruction of the list. Let me try to explain (yet again, sorry, but re-wording things some

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

On 10/20/2014 01:27 AM, Rusi Mody wrote: On Sunday, October 19, 2014 11:50:02 PM UTC+5:30, Jimmy Johnson wrote: Slavko wrote: Ahoj, napísal: On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 07:02:12PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Friday 17 October 2014 18:30:31 Andre N Batista wrote: I cannot believe some people stil

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

On 10/19/2014 04:32 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 20/10/14 04:03, Martin Read wrote: On 19/10/14 17:45, Rusi Mody wrote: As for 'wounded ego': Do you have a wounded ego if a dead branch falls and smashes the windshield of your car? Or a Tsunami knocks off your seafront house? If you are taking

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 20 oct 14, 14:27:59, Miles Fidelman wrote: Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 20 oct 14, 09:49:24, Miles Fidelman wrote: Well, it's worth noting that in many areas of endeavor, users, or user communities, write specifications/standards that all players have to meet. So,

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

On Lu, 20 oct 14, 14:27:59, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > >On Lu, 20 oct 14, 09:49:24, Miles Fidelman wrote: > >>Well, it's worth noting that in many areas of endeavor, users, or user > >>communities, write specifications/standards that all players have to meet. > >>So, for exampl

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

Okay, no problem... Tks for your reply!:-) On 20 October 2014 16:31, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Unfortunately, unless you're a Debian Developer, the answer is no - other > than with your feet - to one of the dwindling number of distros that make > it policy to stay away from systemd. > > Sigh..

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

On Lu, 20 oct 14, 13:52:37, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > Not to me. All these discussions could very well happen on the > > -offtopic list. > > Sure it can. Every single status-quo supporter in history has told > protestors the same thing: If you want to ride on the front of the bus, > petition the

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

Unfortunately, unless you're a Debian Developer, the answer is no - other than with your feet - to one of the dwindling number of distros that make it policy to stay away from systemd. Sigh Miles Fidelman Martinx - ジェームズ wrote: Sorry about the newbie question but, can I vote somewhere to

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 20 oct 14, 09:49:24, Miles Fidelman wrote: Well, it's worth noting that in many areas of endeavor, users, or user communities, write specifications/standards that all players have to meet. So, for example, when one buys an ethernet card - vendors really do not really

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

Sorry about the newbie question but, can I vote somewhere to "preserve the choice of init systems" ? I would like to firm my position, not against systemd but, instead, in favor of the preservation of Debian's stability and future, by being able to choose a init system during the installation (d-i

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:15:47 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Sb, 18 oct 14, 10:20:25, Joel Rees wrote: > > > Does this help explain why what appears to some as mere turf battles > > and childish name-calling, etc., is a bit more than playground > > antics? > > Not to me. All these discussions

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

On Lu, 20 oct 14, 09:49:24, Miles Fidelman wrote: > > Well, it's worth noting that in many areas of endeavor, users, or user > communities, write specifications/standards that all players have to meet. > So, for example, when one buys an ethernet card - vendors really do not > really have a choice

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

On Sb, 18 oct 14, 10:20:25, Joel Rees wrote: > On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 6:14 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > We were objecting to > > the ad hominem unpleasantness and destruction of the list. > > Let me try to explain (yet again, sorry, but re-wording things > sometimes does help) my point of view

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

On 20/10/14 01:28, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Did they successed with wayland? I just took a look at weston and it seems to be linked to stuffD... and with Dbus, when I thought I had read time ago things about them using a home-made bus, because they thought dbus was too heavy... I hope

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

Scott Ferguson wrote: On 20/10/14 04:03, Martin Read wrote: On 19/10/14 17:45, Rusi Mody wrote: As for 'wounded ego': Do you have a wounded ego if a dead branch falls and smashes the windshield of your car? Or a Tsunami knocks off your seafront house? If you are taking offense, who are you off

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

On 20/10/14 04:03, Martin Read wrote: > On 19/10/14 17:45, Rusi Mody wrote: >> As for 'wounded ego': Do you have a wounded ego if a dead branch >> falls and smashes the windshield of your car? Or a Tsunami knocks >> off your seafront house? >> >> If you are taking offense, who are you offended by?

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

Le 18.10.2014 07:06, Steve Litt a écrit : If they vote "no" on the GR, then I think that unless Red Hat succeeds in systemdizing X itself, we'll (meaning those of us who care) will replace systemd-contaminated software with init-agnostic software. And for sure, boycott all systemd-dependent sof

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

On Sunday, October 19, 2014 11:50:02 PM UTC+5:30, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > Slavko wrote: > > Ahoj, > > napísal: > >> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 07:02:12PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > >>> On Friday 17 October 2014 18:30:31 Andre N Batista wrote: > I cannot believe some people still > thinks [sni

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

On 10/19/2014 01:25 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: On 10/17/2014 3:42 PM, Ric Moore wrote: The fun part will be to see who actually steps up to the plate to do all of the extra work. Especially amongst all of those pledged seconds. I hope someone is keeping a list. :) Ric From what I read, it will be

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

Slavko wrote: Ahoj, Dňa Fri, 17 Oct 2014 16:09:59 -0400 Dan Ritter napísal: On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 07:02:12PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Friday 17 October 2014 18:30:31 Andre N Batista wrote: I cannot believe some people still thinks [snip] that we should simply stick with the TC's author

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

On 10/17/2014 3:42 PM, Ric Moore wrote: > The fun part will be to see who actually steps up to the plate to do all > of the extra work. Especially amongst all of those pledged seconds. I > hope someone is keeping a list. :) Ric >From what I read, it will be one all debian devs (package maintain

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

On 19/10/14 17:45, Rusi Mody wrote: As for 'wounded ego': Do you have a wounded ego if a dead branch falls and smashes the windshield of your car? Or a Tsunami knocks off your seafront house? If you are taking offense, who are you offended by? Debian is not a person (as far as I know!) Debian

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

On Sunday, October 19, 2014 10:00:02 PM UTC+5:30, Slavko wrote: > Ahoj, > napísal: > > On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 07:02:12PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > On Friday 17 October 2014 18:30:31 Andre N Batista wrote: > > > > I cannot believe some people still > > > > thinks [snip] that we should simply

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

Ahoj, Dňa Fri, 17 Oct 2014 16:09:59 -0400 Dan Ritter napísal: > On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 07:02:12PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Friday 17 October 2014 18:30:31 Andre N Batista wrote: > > > I cannot believe some people still > > > thinks [snip] that we should simply stick with > > > the TC's a

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