Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-26 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 23 mar 12, 01:27:38, Chris Bannister wrote: > > Admittedly, you probably still need libdvdcss2 etc. I'd miss xbmc. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Descript

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-24 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Jochen Spieker wrote: > Chris Bannister: >> >> I suppose that ultimately all you'd need is libav (ffmpeg is >> "now/will be" deprecated) > > Oh, didn't know that. >From a recent -devel post [1]: > Actually, ffmpeg changed names to libav recently. The latter is

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-24 Thread Jochen Spieker
Chris Bannister: > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 04:24:18PM +0100, Jochen Spieker wrote: >> Chris Bannister: >>> >>> I didn't know about handbrake-cli and looks like it might replace >>> "videotrans" and "lxdvdrip" >> >> From what I can tell from their package descriptions: not quite. I >> usually dum

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-23 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 04:24:18PM +0100, Jochen Spieker wrote: > Chris Bannister: > > > > I didn't know about handbrake-cli and looks like it might replace > > "videotrans" and "lxdvdrip" > > From what I can tell from their package descriptions: not quite. I > usually dump DVD contents using 'm

to be root or not to be root (was ... Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not)

2012-03-23 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 04:16:32PM +, Curt wrote: > On 2012-03-22, Chris Bannister wrote: > > > root@tal:~# apt-cache policy libavformat-extra-53 > > You don't have to be root to do that, did you know? True, I normally have a tty open for root anyway and the tty where I have logged into as

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-23 Thread Curt
On 2012-03-22, Chris Bannister wrote: > root@tal:~# apt-cache policy libavformat-extra-53 You don't have to be root to do that, did you know? Just an observation because I use apt-cache frequently and it's convenient (and potentially less dangerous for slippery fingers) not to be obliged to su

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-23 Thread Jochen Spieker
Chris Bannister: > > I didn't know about handbrake-cli and looks like it might replace > "videotrans" and "lxdvdrip" From what I can tell from their package descriptions: not quite. I usually dump DVD contents using 'mplayer -dumpstream' and then encode the resulting directory structure using Ha

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-23 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 02:10:13PM +0100, Jochen Spieker wrote: > I reaklly like handbrake-cli, that's why I had to keep d-m.org in the > end. I've only removed d-m.org from my laptop. The desktop running Lenny still and where I burn DVD/CD will still have to have d-m.org. I didn't know about ha

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-23 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 05:01:57PM +0100, Alberto Fuentes wrote: > On 21/03/12 07:08, Chris Bannister wrote: > >Remember, Aptitude's "resolver system" is different to apt-get's > > I think the problem is not the the resolver (apt-get and aptitude > should get dependences about the same if not prob

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-23 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012, Alberto Fuentes wrote: look at this, is interesting http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=401835 this is more than 5 years old. It would be interesting to check wether this bug has been fixed, but the answer of march 2007 is not encouraging. -- Pierre

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-23 Thread Alberto Fuentes
look at this, is interesting http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=401835 On 22/03/12 17:49, Jochen Spieker wrote: Pierre Frenkiel: On Thu, 22 Mar 2012, Jochen Spieker wrote: I didn't have that problem. Is it reproducible? yes. I tried apt-get several times before shift

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-22 Thread Jochen Spieker
Pierre Frenkiel: > On Thu, 22 Mar 2012, Jochen Spieker wrote: > >> I didn't have that problem. Is it reproducible? > >yes. I tried apt-get several times before shifting to aptitude. >Is the difference coming from the fact that you are on amd64 and I am on > i386? >I'll try later on m

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-22 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
On Thu, 22 Mar 2012, Jochen Spieker wrote: I didn't have that problem. Is it reproducible? yes. I tried apt-get several times before shifting to aptitude. Is the difference coming from the fact that you are on amd64 and I am on i386? I'll try later on my laptop which has a amd64 proc

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-22 Thread Jochen Spieker
Pierre Frenkiel: > On Thu, 22 Mar 2012, Jochen Spieker wrote: > >> In order to "downgrade" from 5:0.7.11-0.1 to 4:0.8-2~bpo60+1 you need to >> tun 'apt-get install ffmpeg=4:0.8-2~bpo60+1'. > > this is an example where aptitude is superior to apt-get: > with apt-get install (or dist-install), I we

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-22 Thread Brad Rogers
On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 15:49:42 +0100 Jochen Spieker wrote: Hello Jochen, > The "epoch" (the version number prefix, before the ':') is used to > explicitly enforce this. 4:x is always older than 5:y. Christian > Marillat does this on purpose. I don't know his reasons. Some of the software in his r

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-22 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
On Thu, 22 Mar 2012, Jochen Spieker wrote: idem with "aptitude full-upgrade" The "epoch" (the version number prefix, before the ':') is used to explicitly enforce this. 4:x is always older than 5:y. Christian Marillat does this on purpose. I don't know his reasons. In order to "downgrade" fro

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-22 Thread Jochen Spieker
Pierre Frenkiel: > >ffmpeg: > Installed: 5:0.7.11-0.1 > Candidate: 5:0.7.11-0.1 > Version table: > *** 5:0.7.11-0.1 0 > 1 http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ squeeze/main i386 Packages >100 /var/lib/dpkg/status > 4:0.8-2~bpo60+1 0 >

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-22 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
On Thu, 22 Mar 2012, Jochen Spieker wrote: /etc/apt/preferences.d/00multimedia: Package: * Pin: release o=Unofficial Multimedia Packages Pin-Priority: 1 I tried that, but then, apt-get dist-upgrade proposed to upgrade 8 packages, but not ffmpeg, although I have: ==> apt-cache policy ffmpeg

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-22 Thread Jochen Spieker
Chris Bannister: > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 04:54:39PM +0100, Jochen Spieker wrote: >> >> Sometimes aptitude's TUI is really useful. Like yesterday, when I >> down-pinned debian-multimedia.org and wanted to replace all packages >> from there with their official Debian counterparts (if possible). >

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-22 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 04:54:39PM +0100, Jochen Spieker wrote: > > Sometimes aptitude's TUI is really useful. Like yesterday, when I > down-pinned debian-multimedia.org and wanted to replace all packages > from there with their official Debian counterparts (if possible). Mmmm, interesting. I've

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-21 Thread Alberto Fuentes
On 21/03/12 07:08, Chris Bannister wrote: Remember, Aptitude's "resolver system" is different to apt-get's I think the problem is not the the resolver (apt-get and aptitude should get dependences about the same if not problem found, and therefore "aptitude full-upgrade" should do the same as

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-21 Thread Jochen Spieker
Camaleón: > On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:08:29 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: > >> Remember, Aptitude's "resolver system" is different to apt-get's > > That's why I prefer to refresh both "separately". apt-get was happy with > the current db state while aptitude wasn't. From what I know, I have troubl

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-21 Thread Camaleón
On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:08:29 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:45:51PM +, Camaleón wrote: >> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 13:10:07 +0100, Jochen Spieker wrote: >> >> > Camaleón: >> >> (...) >> >> >> Did you first update the packages database? >> >> >> >> apt-get update >> >

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-20 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:45:51PM +, Camaleón wrote: > On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 13:10:07 +0100, Jochen Spieker wrote: > > > Camaleón: > > (...) > > >> Did you first update the packages database? > >> > >> apt-get update > >> aptitude update > > > > apt-get and aptitude both use the same packag

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-19 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Lisi wrote: > On Monday 19 March 2012 14:17:44 Bonno Bloksma wrote: >> >> It is either a normal apt-get upgrade or an aptitude full-upgrade. But >> why.? > > Because they are not the same?  If they were identical there would be no point > in having the two of

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-19 Thread Lisi
On Monday 19 March 2012 16:39:13 Jochen Spieker wrote: > Lisi: > > On Monday 19 March 2012 12:32:19 Jochen Spieker wrote: > >> The OP has explicitly has explicitly stated that he/she is interested in > >> the reason for the behaviour. Work-arounds are too easy. :) > > > > It's NOT a workaround. It

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-19 Thread Jochen Spieker
Lisi: > On Monday 19 March 2012 12:32:19 Jochen Spieker wrote: >> >> The OP has explicitly has explicitly stated that he/she is interested in >> the reason for the behaviour. Work-arounds are too easy. :) > > It's NOT a workaround. It is correct usage. Sure it is correct usage, but it hides the

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-19 Thread Camaleón
On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:17:44 +, Bonno Bloksma wrote: > To answer most questions asked: (...) Would have been better to reply to every message separately... > 3) > The last time I ran a full-upgrade was when I upgraded from Lenny. I > think this system started out as an Etch system years ago

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-19 Thread Lisi
On Monday 19 March 2012 14:17:44 Bonno Bloksma wrote: > It is either a normal apt-get upgrade or an aptitude full-upgrade. But > why.? Because they are not the same? If they were identical there would be no point in having the two of them. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-req

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-19 Thread Lisi
On Monday 19 March 2012 12:32:19 Jochen Spieker wrote: > Lisi: > > Surely it is worth following the earlier suggestion and doing an > > "aptitude full-upgrade" before trying more complicated things? > > The OP has explicitly has explicitly stated that he/she is interested in > the reason for the be

RE: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-19 Thread Bonno Bloksma
To answer most questions asked: >>> Did you first update the packages database? >>> >>> apt-get update >>> aptitude update >> >> apt-get and aptitude both use the same package database. Running the >> 'udpate' for both of them is not required. > > I just run "apt-get upgrade" and said there was

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-19 Thread Camaleón
On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 13:10:07 +0100, Jochen Spieker wrote: > Camaleón: (...) >> Did you first update the packages database? >> >> apt-get update >> aptitude update > > apt-get and aptitude both use the same package database. Running the > 'udpate' for both of them is not required. I just run "

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-19 Thread Jochen Spieker
Lisi: > > Surely it is worth following the earlier suggestion and doing an "aptitude > full-upgrade" before trying more complicated things? The OP has explicitly has explicitly stated that he/she is interested in the reason for the behaviour. Work-arounds are too easy. :) J. -- Ultimately, the

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-19 Thread Lisi
On Monday 19 March 2012 12:10:07 Jochen Spieker wrote: > Camaleón: > > On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 09:58:12 +, Bonno Bloksma wrote: > >> Version: 5.1.49-3 > >> Priority: optional > >> Section: database > >> [] > > Is this a squeeze system? -Then you should make sure you have > security.debian.org i

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-19 Thread Jochen Spieker
Camaleón: > On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 09:58:12 +, Bonno Bloksma wrote: > >> Version: 5.1.49-3 >> Priority: optional >> Section: database >> [] Is this a squeeze system? -Then you should make sure you have security.debian.org in your sources.list. The current version from s.d.o is 5.1.61-0+squee

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-19 Thread Camaleón
On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 09:58:12 +, Bonno Bloksma wrote: > On 2 of my machines I have mysql-common installed > > # aptitude show mysql-common > Package: mysql-common > State: installed > Automatically installed: no > Version: 5.1.49-3 > Priority: optional > Section: database > [] > > However

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-19 Thread Rares Aioanei
On 03/19/2012 11:58 AM, Bonno Bloksma wrote: Hi, On 2 of my machines I have mysql-common installed [...] As we don't know what kind of setup you're having (stable, bpo, testing, unstable...), it's hard to tell what's up. How about aptitude dist-upgrade? -- Rares Aioanei -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,