Re: Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

On 11/04/10 07:56 +0100, Lisi wrote: Recently I was trying to show my 15 year old granddaughter, who runs Open SuSU 11 on her laptop, how to do some small admin job. She said that she didn't want to know. When I queried this, she said: "When I am at school, the IT department does it for me

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

Thanks all for your discussion on Lyx vs LaTex (and Word). I've been traveling and now pouring through a month's worth of emails. Just before I left, after reading all the documents that come with the TexLive system on Debian, I took 30 minutes and translated a few Lout letters into Latex. It wor

Re: latex (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction))

On Saturday 24 February 2007 16:15, Russell L. Harris wrote: > * tom arnall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070224 17:28]: > > On Saturday 24 February 2007 01:54, Chris Bannister wrote: > >>On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 11:45:09AM -0800, tom arnall wrote: > >>> what about a WYSIWIG which produces latex files? You r

Re: latex (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction))

* tom arnall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070224 17:28]: > On Saturday 24 February 2007 01:54, Chris Bannister wrote: >>On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 11:45:09AM -0800, tom arnall wrote: >>> what about a WYSIWIG which produces latex files? You rough out or >>> do easy stuff with the wysiwig, then modify the latex

Re: latex (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction))

On Saturday 24 February 2007 01:54, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 11:45:09AM -0800, tom arnall wrote: > > what about a WYSIWIG which produces latex files? You rough out or do easy > > stuff with the wysiwig, then modify the latex files if there's stuff not > > easily handled by a

Re: latex (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction))

On Sat, Feb 24, 2007 at 10:54:30PM +1300 or thereabouts, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 11:45:09AM -0800, tom arnall wrote: > > what about a WYSIWIG which produces latex files? You rough out or do easy > > stuff with the wysiwig, then modify the latex files if there's stuff not

Re: latex (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction))

On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 11:45:09AM -0800, tom arnall wrote: > what about a WYSIWIG which produces latex files? You rough out or do easy > stuff with the wysiwig, then modify the latex files if there's stuff not > easily handled by a wysiwig. Lyx, but why? Discovered 'gnuhtml2latex'. What a *nea

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 10:13:39PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 02/21/07 22:05, Steve Lamb wrote: > > Ron Johnson wrote: > >> There's no Law Of Nature that says you can't have your greenbar > >> printout next to your terminal. > > > > I pr

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

Ron Johnson wrote: > It's not Polite (nay, it's downright stupid) to ask "Why do you want > to know that?" on a -user mailing list. Erm, it's impolite to ask pertinent questions? Personally I find it impolite to be offended on when other people question you on why you are questioning them. S

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/22/07 02:00, Steve Lamb wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 02/21/07 23:19, Steve Lamb wrote: >> Because I asked? Why do I have to justify why I asked that question? > > Because I asked? Why do I have to justify why I asked that question? I

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

Ron Johnson wrote: > On 02/21/07 23:19, Steve Lamb wrote: > Because I asked? Why do I have to justify why I asked that question? Because I asked? Why do I have to justify why I asked that question? -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 8B6E99

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/21/07 23:19, Steve Lamb wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: >> What GUI would that be? > > The relevance being? Because I asked? Why do I have to justify why I asked that question? > I figured since you didn't know the te

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

Ron Johnson wrote: > What GUI would that be? The relevance being? I figured since you didn't know the terms of fully expanded you were one of dem d'ere CLI people who think GUIs are da werk uf da debil! -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 8B6

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/21/07 23:00, Steve Lamb wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: >> "fully expanded"? > > Yes, I am using vim in a wicked GUI and click on the leetle button which > expands the window to the entire screen. :P > > Although I pine for the day I can g

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

Ron Johnson wrote: > "fully expanded"? Yes, I am using vim in a wicked GUI and click on the leetle button which expands the window to the entire screen. :P Although I pine for the day I can give Wing IDE a try. :) -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream?

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/21/07 22:05, Steve Lamb wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: >> There's no Law Of Nature that says you can't have your greenbar >> printout next to your terminal. > > I prefer 2 screens now. Left screen is the on-line Python manual, right > screen i

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

Ron Johnson wrote: > There's no Law Of Nature that says you can't have your greenbar > printout next to your terminal. I prefer 2 screens now. Left screen is the on-line Python manual, right screen is my code in vim, fully expanded. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what t

Re: latex (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction))

On Wednesday 21 February 2007 11:52, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 11:45:09AM -0800, tom arnall wrote: > > what a great thread. hopefully we can begin 'subject'ing it properly with > > this mail. > > > > what about a WYSIWIG which produces latex files? You rough out or do easy

Re: latex (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction))

On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 11:45:09AM -0800, tom arnall wrote: > > what a great thread. hopefully we can begin 'subject'ing it properly with > this > mail. > > what about a WYSIWIG which produces latex files? You rough out or do easy > stuff with the wysiwig, then modify the latex files if there'

latex (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction))

On Tuesday 20 February 2007 15:49, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 09:45:16PM +, Alan Chandler wrote: > > I no longer have anything to do with that area - but I would say today > > that we still cannot produce documents with the consistency and > > completeness (proper versi

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/21/07 07:32, John Hasler wrote: > Kevin Mark writes: >> You certainly are correct in that the wide paper left sufficient room to >> make notes, etc. I'd use the side for comments and corrections and the >> back for flow charts and such. > > Prin

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/21/07 12:05, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 08:51:40AM -0800, Michael M. wrote: >> On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 01:15 -0500, Kevin Mark wrote: >>> On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 12:05:24AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: Actually, I'm serious a

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 08:51:40AM -0800, Michael M. wrote: > On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 01:15 -0500, Kevin Mark wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 12:05:24AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > Actually, I'm serious about the utility of big line printers. The > > > large print and *wide*, lined paper made

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 01:15 -0500, Kevin Mark wrote: > On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 12:05:24AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > Actually, I'm serious about the utility of big line printers. The > > large print and *wide*, lined paper made it easy to step thru your > > program, making notes, side c

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

Am 2007-02-14 11:33:04, schrieb Greg Folkert: > Install Cygwin, its the only way to semi-fix it. ??? "bash.exe", "perl.exe" and "python.exe" can run definitivly in a DOS-Box since I use it for DJGPP . Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack Systema

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

Am 2007-02-16 09:30:36, schrieb Greg Folkert: > Not permanently and not in your normal.dot. At least *I* could never Hmmm, in the german and french versions it CAN be switched off. Maybe you have a special version of the DHS which correct US- American if they do not follow the party line. :-)) >

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

Am 2007-02-14 10:44:48, schrieb Roberto C. Sanchez: > That depends on how you define usable. Word might handle a 25 page > document. The experience of many of my friends has been that big > documents (25 pages is not big) are a real pain Word. One friend of > mine did his thesis (350-400 pages)

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian

Kevin Mark writes: > You certainly are correct in that the wide paper left sufficient room to > make notes, etc. I'd use the side for comments and corrections and the > back for flow charts and such. Print in landscape mode on 11X17. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/21/07 00:59, Greg Folkert wrote: > On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 00:33 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 02/21/07 00:09, Steve Lamb wrote: >>> Kevin Mark wrote: I recall they are huge, requiring a lot of floor space and required a noise cover oth

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 00:33 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 02/21/07 00:09, Steve Lamb wrote: > > Kevin Mark wrote: > >> I recall they are huge, requiring a lot of floor space and required a > >> noise cover otherwise you'd hear ear-splitting, griding noise. X-( > > > > Yup, yup and yup. Of c

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/21/07 00:09, Steve Lamb wrote: > Kevin Mark wrote: >> I recall they are huge, requiring a lot of floor space and required a >> noise cover otherwise you'd hear ear-splitting, griding noise. X-( > > Yup, yup and yup. Of course having to wor

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/21/07 00:15, Kevin Mark wrote: > On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 12:05:24AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: >> >> On 02/20/07 23:52, Kevin Mark wrote: >>> On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 11:24:52PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/20/07 15:45, Alan Chandler w

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 12:05:24AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 02/20/07 23:52, Kevin Mark wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 11:24:52PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > >> Hash: SHA1 > >> > >> On 02/20/07 15:

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

Kevin Mark wrote: > I recall they are huge, requiring a lot of floor space and required a > noise cover otherwise you'd hear ear-splitting, griding noise. X-( Yup, yup and yup. Of course having to work on some model or another of green-bar printer for the past year-and-a-half lemme tell you,

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/20/07 23:52, Kevin Mark wrote: > On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 11:24:52PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 02/20/07 15:45, Alan Chandler wrote: >>> On Tuesday 13 February 2007 16:29, Miles Fidelman

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 11:24:52PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 02/20/07 15:45, Alan Chandler wrote: > > On Tuesday 13 February 2007 16:29, Miles Fidelman wrote: > [snip] > > in about 1982 I was in the market for a line printer so that my team

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/20/07 15:45, Alan Chandler wrote: > On Tuesday 13 February 2007 16:29, Miles Fidelman wrote: [snip] > in about 1982 I was in the market for a line printer so that my team > could print out their software listings and was pursuaded by the our HP

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 09:45:16PM +, Alan Chandler wrote: > > I no longer have anything to do with that area - but I would say today > that we still cannot produce documents with the consistency and > completeness (proper version control of all documentation, with the > version numbers aut

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

On Tuesday 13 February 2007 16:29, Miles Fidelman wrote: > FYI: Just for perspective, I'm also old enough to remember designing > control logic for film processors used for in preparing print the > old-fashioned way (you know, half-tone separations, prepared with > screens and cameras) - and, for

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:30:36 -0500 Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 22:12 -0500, Celejar wrote: > > On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:22:30 -0500 > > Miles Fidelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > As I said - there are plenty of reasons to hate word. Personally, I > > >

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 22:12 -0500, Celejar wrote: > On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:22:30 -0500 > Miles Fidelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > As I said - there are plenty of reasons to hate word. Personally, I > > hate some of the auto-corrections it makes. > > AOL! But you can turn them off. Not p

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:22:30 -0500 Miles Fidelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As I said - there are plenty of reasons to hate word. Personally, I > hate some of the auto-corrections it makes. AOL! But you can turn them off. Celejar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subj

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 11:08:13PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Oh come on. At the company we just left, we generated 2-3 proposals a month, each at 25 pages or so, using Word. There are lots of reasons to dislike Word, but get real, it's usable That depends on h

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

For me the main advantages of LaTeX over Word is the easy incorporation of references, citations and numbering figures and tables. Offcourse Word is also able to do this, but with a lot more trouble. Something like 'headings' always want to do things differently then the author. I wrote several the

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

Miles Fidelman wrote: > Chris Bannister wrote: > Oh come on. At the company we just left, we generated 2-3 proposals a > month, each at > 25 pages or so, using Word. There are lots of reasons to dislike Word, > but get real, it's usable > and it works. Just looking at the number of word docume

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 10:48:21AM -0500 or thereabouts, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 01:38:03AM -0500, Stephen wrote: > > > > You don't know MSFT Word well do you ? It's relatively easy to create a > > TOC from a structured Word document. Doesn't take much skill at all. Th

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 11:33:04AM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: > On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 10:44 -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > > > I mean, people often complain about the lack of uniformity in GUI > > programs targetted at Linux. Windows is just as bad, but people > > choose to overlook it for so

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 10:44 -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: [snip] > That depends on how you define usable. Word might handle a 25 page > document. The experience of many of my friends has been that big > documents (25 pages is not big) are a real pain Word. One friend of > mine did his thesis

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 11:08:13PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Oh come on. At the company we just left, we generated 2-3 proposals a month, each at 25 pages or so, using Word. There are lots of reasons to dislike Word, but get real, it's usable Th

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 01:38:03AM -0500, Stephen wrote: > > You don't know MSFT Word well do you ? It's relatively easy to create a > TOC from a structured Word document. Doesn't take much skill at all. The > key is structure, and to work in outline view. > Have you actually verified that the TO

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 11:08:13PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > > > Oh come on. At the company we just left, we generated 2-3 proposals a > month, each at > 25 pages or so, using Word. There are lots of reasons to dislike Word, > but get real, it's usable That depends on how you define usa

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

Miles Fidelman said... > Stephen wrote: > > The other fella Miles Fieldman, (I think) mentioned that corporations > > use word templates etc. Sure, for filling in a form letter, however it's > > been my experience that the majority of corporate branding is done in > > design and typesetting shops,

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

Stephen wrote: The other fella Miles Fieldman, (I think) mentioned that corporations use word templates etc. Sure, for filling in a form letter, however it's been my experience that the majority of corporate branding is done in design and typesetting shops, not by Suzy or Joe using MSFT Word. I

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 04:46:35PM +1300 or thereabouts, Chris Bannister wrote: > If an M$ Word user has the skill to automatically generate a TOC from a > reasonably sized document, then I take my hat off to them. I have seen > the results of an unsuccessful attempt, unfortunately it was a team

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 04:59:45PM +0100 or thereabouts, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: [ ...] > To take this further, one would have to argue about what is ugly. There > is a continuous scale from very ugly to very beautiful. Products like M$ > Word cover the range from very ugly to somewhere in be

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian

On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 23:08:13 -0500, Miles Fidelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Oh come on. At the company we just left, we generated 2-3 proposals > a month, each at 25 pages or so, using Word. There are lots of > reasons to dislike Word, but get real, it's usable and it works. I've a

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

Chris Bannister wrote: If an M$ Word user has the skill to automatically generate a TOC from a reasonably sized document, then I take my hat off to them. I have seen the results of an unsuccessful attempt, unfortunately it was a team report. :-( There are a lot of maschoists out there. If I see

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 08:35:15AM +0100, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: > > Outside of high academia & the publishing industry, that amount of > > precision doesn't really matter. > > Outside of high academia & the publishing industry, most people don't > care how ugly their printed documents look.

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 06:49:14PM +0100, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: > I might be a bit of a purist, but I would say that even for one page of > a document you will be better of with LaTeX. Word output might be ok for > a quick fax, but the printed text from a half-way decent printer will > always

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 07:40:45 -0600 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 02/13/07 06:17, Miles Fidelman wrote: > > Johannes Wiedersich wrote: > >> Outside of high academia & the publishing industry, most people > >> don't care how ugly the

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:48:40 -0500 Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 21:16 +0100, Joe Hart wrote: > > Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:41:55 +0200 > > > Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> Actually I am a bigger fan of lyx,

Re: Writer Processor (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian ...)

On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 21:44:08 +0100 Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On 02/11/07 14:03, Joe Hart wrote: > > > >> Hal Vaughan wrote: > >> > > [snip] > > > >> I am a writer, and I used Word to write my bo

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 14:08:14 -0500 cga2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 12:17:41PM EST, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 06:41:55PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: > > > Actually I am a bigger fan of lyx, but that's a hard sell for office fans. > > > > I'm

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:17:41 -0500 Douglas Allan Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 06:41:55PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: > > Actually I am a bigger fan of lyx, but that's a hard sell for office fans. > > I'm just starting down the LaTex and Lyx road (from Lout since I wan

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:05:26 -0500 Hal Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [... snip ...] > On Sunday 11 February 2007 11:41, Micha Feigin wrote: > > On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 11:06:15 -0500 > > > > > If Office is the issue, and not Windows overall, then why should > > > she buy office when she can use

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

Johannes Wiedersich wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: Johannes Wiedersich wrote: Outside of high academia & the publishing industry, most people don't care how ugly their printed documents look. I think there are an awful lot of us in business, non-profits, and government who'd cont

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

Miles Fidelman wrote: > Johannes Wiedersich wrote: >> Outside of high academia & the publishing industry, most people don't >> care how ugly their printed documents look. > I think there are an awful lot of us in business, non-profits, and > government who'd contest this. > Not to mention those in

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/13/07 07:30, Tyler Smith wrote: > On 2007-02-13, Miles Fidelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Johannes Wiedersich wrote: >>> Outside of high academia & the publishing industry, most people don't >>> care how ugly their printed documents look. >>

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

On 2007-02-13, Miles Fidelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Johannes Wiedersich wrote: >> Outside of high academia & the publishing industry, most people don't >> care how ugly their printed documents look. > I think there are an awful lot of us in business, non-profits, and > government who'd con

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/13/07 01:35, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 02/12/07 11:49, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: >>> Joe Hart wrote: Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:41:55 +0200 Micha Feigin > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/13/07 06:17, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Johannes Wiedersich wrote: >> Outside of high academia & the publishing industry, most people >> don't care how ugly their printed documents look. > I think there are an awful lot of us in business, non-profit

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

Johannes Wiedersich wrote: Outside of high academia & the publishing industry, most people don't care how ugly their printed documents look. I think there are an awful lot of us in business, non-profits, and government who'd contest this. Not to mention those in the advertising and marketing a

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

Ron Johnson wrote: > On 02/12/07 11:49, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: >> Joe Hart wrote: >>> Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:41:55 +0200 Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [snip] >> I might be a bit of a purist, but I would say that even for one >> page of a document you

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 10:12:42PM +0100, Joe Hart wrote: > >If you want a GUI, use Lyx. If you want to just use Vim, then use > >straight LaTex. Or auctex with emacs. > Thanks Doug. I will definately have to check it out. Most of my work > is fiction and doesn't need to TOC or the index, but

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 02:08:14PM -0500, cga2000 wrote: > If you are a vim user & insist on working in something gui you may want > to take a peek at this: > > http://vim-latex.sourceforge.net Have you managed to get it working with vim7.x? -- Chris. == Don't forget to check that your /etc

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

Joe Hart wrote: > Talk about smart software. > > Thanks for the tip. OHOOO :-) Yes this one is awesome !! And it works perfectly here! And if someone is looking for the url, it's right here ;-): http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/archives/114-thunderbird-+-reply-to-list-...-here-it-comes.html -

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/12/07 11:49, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: > Joe Hart wrote: >> Andrei Popescu wrote: >>> On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:41:55 +0200 >>> Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > I might be a bit of a purist, but I would say that even for one page of

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

Joe Hart wrote: > Andrei Popescu wrote: >> On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:41:55 +0200 >> Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> lyx is good for big documents, or when you already have a class to use. >> If you are doing something small (one or two pages) and atypical it >> might be faster to just us

Re: [Fwd: Re: Writer Processor (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian ...)]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/12/07 07:54, Tyler Smith wrote: [snip] Tyler, I tried to send you a private email, but Sorbs blocked it, saying that my (super large) ISP has zombies that send out spam. Do you have a different address? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: G

Re: [Fwd: Re: Writer Processor (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian ...)]

On 2007-02-12, Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 15:39 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: >> Just to add another voice. Some of us have to exchange documents with=20 >> people who use Word - particularly in work settings, and features like=20 >> change tracking, > > Change

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 09:27:13AM +0100, Joe Hart wrote: > > How can anyone outside of MS support the software? If one does not > understand the internal workings, one cannot adequately support the > software. > s/MS/Ford/ s/software/automobile/ I would submit that most mechanics are not me

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 07:03:18 +0100 > Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Damn, did it again. I am so used to hitting reply. I have to >> remember Reply to ALL... >> > > 'Reply to list' would be better. There was just recently a thread about > Icedove/Thundeb

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

Greg Folkert wrote: On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 21:22 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/11/07 19:48, Greg Folkert wrote: On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 21:16 +0100, Joe Hart wrote: Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:41:55 +0200 Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Re: Writer Processor (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian ...)

On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 04:38:47AM +0100, Marcus Blumhagen wrote: > > But if one never used VI(M) it can be hard to get you going, but the > more one uses it, the more the productivity increases. And I think > the upper limit of productivity is far beyond WYSIWYG, because you > need not check how

Re: Writer Processor (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian ...)

On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 09:44:08PM +0100, Joe Hart wrote: > [...] and my memory isn't what it used to be. I find myself having to > look back to ensure that I keep names consistent. Can't very well have > Kathy do something then have Karmen say later that she did it. It would > probably help

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 21:22 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 02/11/07 19:48, Greg Folkert wrote: > > On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 21:16 +0100, Joe Hart wrote: > >> Andrei Popescu wrote: > >>> On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:41:55 +0200 > >>> Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [snip] > > The document was the "

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On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 21:19 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 02/11/07 20:08, Greg Folkert wrote: > > > > How about a simple wiki-type product. Change tracking and the whole > > sh-bang. It is the whole reason Wikis were created. If not a wiki, a > > A wiki for long, complex and/or important documen

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/11/07 19:48, Greg Folkert wrote: > On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 21:16 +0100, Joe Hart wrote: >> Andrei Popescu wrote: >>> On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:41:55 +0200 >>> Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > The document was the "production" schedulin

Re: [Fwd: Re: Writer Processor (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian ...)]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/11/07 20:08, Greg Folkert wrote: > On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 19:29 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 02/11/07 18:41, Greg Folkert wrote: >>> On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 15:39 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:

Re: [Fwd: Re: Writer Processor (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian ...)]

Russell L. Harris wrote: * Miles Fidelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070211 19:07]: There are lots of reasons to dislike Word - for example, the excreble HTML it generates when people insist on using it to prepare web pages - but for run-of-the-mill document preparation in a corporate setting, it

Re: Writer Processor (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian ...)

On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 21:44 +0100, Joe Hart wrote: ... > Actually, my work is plain fiction, and the only features I need are > basic editing, but the feature that I used the most was using headers to > mark places and using the outline view to quickly locate different > sections. I am getting

Re: [Fwd: Re: Writer Processor (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian ...)]

On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 21:14 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Greg Folkert wrote: > >> There are lots of reasons to dislike Word - for example, the excreble > >> HTML it generates when people insist on using it to prepare web pages - > >> but for run-of-the-mill document preparation in a corporate s

Re: [Fwd: Re: Writer Processor (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian ...)]

* Miles Fidelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070211 19:07]: > There are lots of reasons to dislike Word - for example, the excreble > HTML it generates when people insist on using it to prepare web pages - > but for run-of-the-mill document preparation in a corporate setting, > it's a pretty good tool.

Re: [Fwd: Re: Writer Processor (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian ...)]

Greg Folkert wrote: There are lots of reasons to dislike Word - for example, the excreble HTML it generates when people insist on using it to prepare web pages - but for run-of-the-mill document preparation in a corporate setting, it's a pretty good tool. Practicality sometimes trumps religion

Re: [Fwd: Re: Writer Processor (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian ...)]

On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 19:29 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 02/11/07 18:41, Greg Folkert wrote: > > On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 15:39 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > >> Ron Johnson wrote: > >> > >>> What do you need in a WP? Academic features (formal ci

Re: [Fwd: Re: Writer Processor (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian ...)]

On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 20:03 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Greg Folkert wrote: > > On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 15:39 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > > > >> Just to add another voice. Some of us have to exchange documents with > >> people who use Word - particularly in work settings, and features lik

Re: Writer Processor (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian ...)

On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 09:44:08PM +0100, Joe Hart wrote: > > I thought I could use the net and find a publisher in the U.S. but > that's not how it works. Most publishers wont touch writers who don't > have an agent and agents wont touch writers that haven't published. > > Joe If you want to

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 21:16 +0100, Joe Hart wrote: > Andrei Popescu wrote: > > On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:41:55 +0200 > > Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> Actually I am a bigger fan of lyx, but that's a hard sell for office > >> fans. > >> > > > > lyx is good for big documen

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/11/07 18:41, Greg Folkert wrote: > On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 15:39 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: >> Ron Johnson wrote: >> >>> What do you need in a WP? Academic features (formal citations, >>> embedded graphics, TOC, index, etc), movie/theater format

Re: [Fwd: Re: Writer Processor (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian ...)]

Greg Folkert wrote: On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 15:39 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Just to add another voice. Some of us have to exchange documents with people who use Word - particularly in work settings, and features like change tracking, Change tracking in word is a horrible feature. I

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