On Wed 06 Jan 2016 at 15:41:42 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Wednesday 06 January 2016 13:49:38 Chris Bannister wrote:
> >
> > Ah! I see. I assumed Lisi was referring to the /etc/apt/sources.list
> > entries.
>
> I was.
>
> I was referring to the fact that the two installers get their software f
On Wednesday 06 January 2016 13:49:38 Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 01, 2016 at 04:14:46PM +, Brian wrote:
> > On Sat 02 Jan 2016 at 04:11:38 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
> > > On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 11:15:03PM +, Brian wrote:
> > > > On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 23:01:43 +, Lisi Reis
On Fri, Jan 01, 2016 at 04:14:46PM +, Brian wrote:
> On Sat 02 Jan 2016 at 04:11:38 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 11:15:03PM +, Brian wrote:
> > > On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 23:01:43 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > >
> > > > The sources are different.
> > >
> > > Mo
Looking at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/jigdo-dlbd/ it
seems that the full set of software available from Debian for amd64 fits on two
dual-layer Bluray disks. According to Wikipedia a dlbd disk holds 50GB, so you
may need a couple of 64GB Flash drives before you’re do
On Sat 02 Jan 2016 at 04:11:38 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 11:15:03PM +, Brian wrote:
> > On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 23:01:43 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> >
> > > The sources are different.
> >
> > More nonsense.
>
> Huh? the sources list is different if you use DVD's t
On 12/31/2015 10:01 AM, Brian wrote:
On Thu 31 Dec 2015 at 10:21:06 -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
Andrew M.A. Cater's bluray suggestion is a good one. Most everything of
what you want should be in the image. An alternative method with more
than 3 DVDs is at
https://wiki.debian.org/Installation+Ar
On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 11:15:03PM +, Brian wrote:
> On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 23:01:43 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday 30 December 2015 19:54:50 Brian wrote:
> > > On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 19:39:10 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday 30 December 2015 17:29:30 Brian wrote:
> > >
On 12/30/2015 7:11 PM, Rick Thomas wrote:
[SNIP]
Hi Thomas,
Maybe you missed the run-up to this discussion. Steve only has a Windows
computer right now. He’s trying to get Linux running so he can learn more
about it. I don’t know whether he wants to dual-boot or if he has a separate
compu
Hi,
Eduard Bloch wrote:
> But for regular "push data around from FD to FD" job the only crucial
> difference I remember is the nasty behavior of dd when a short read
> occurres - aborting instead of retrying as cp does.
I saw it padding up short blocks and going on when i was
still on SuSE 10. Th
On Thu 31 Dec 2015 at 18:19:26 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 11:55:08AM -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
> > Fascinating stuff. The one thing I forgot is cp and dd are not the
> > same.
>
> Well... if you cp the image to the _device file_ it amounts practically
> to dd (but
Eduard Bloch writes:
> I remember is the nasty behavior of dd when a short read occurres -
> aborting instead of retrying as cp does. Not sure whether they changed
> the default mode to blocking mode nowadays.
Use ddrescue.
--
John Hasler
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA
Hallo,
* Thomas Schmidt [Thu, Dec 31 2015, 06:11:39PM]:
> Hi,
>
> Steve Matzura wrote:
> > The one thing I forgot is cp and dd are not the same.
>
> I was surprised that cp onto block devices really works as
> needed for this purpose.
> You could also do
> cat debian-8.2.0-amd64-BD-1.iso >/dev/
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On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 11:55:08AM -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
> Fascinating stuff. The one thing I forgot is cp and dd are not the
> same.
Well... if you cp the image to the _device file_ it amounts practically
to dd (but in dd you can set the block
On Thu 31 Dec 2015 at 11:55:08 -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
> Fascinating stuff. The one thing I forgot is cp and dd are not the
> same.
cp reads and writes file. dd reads and writes file. Why are they
basically not the same for the task of putting an isohybrid on a
USB stick?
Hi,
Steve Matzura wrote:
> The one thing I forgot is cp and dd are not the same.
I was surprised that cp onto block devices really works as
needed for this purpose.
You could also do
cat debian-8.2.0-amd64-BD-1.iso >/dev/sdc
But for old unixers no other tool than dd comes to the mind.
> Now,
Hi,
Steve Matzura wrote:
> How would I know for sure if it's ISO hybrid,
A strong indication is the presence of partitions when inquired
by program fdisk.
$ /sbin/fdisk -l debian-8.2.0-amd64-BD-1.iso
...
debian-8.2.0-amd64-BD-1.iso1 *0 43859651 ...
...
You may let xorriso repor
On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 16:47:43 +, Brian wrote:
>'fdisk -l /dev/sdX' will show a partition table (as described by Thomas
>Schmitt). A 21GB image will not fit on a 16GM USB stick.
Yes, the ISO is good. fdisk shows everything's fine. I'll have to try
this with one of my 32's just to see it work. I
Fascinating stuff. The one thing I forgot is cp and dd are not the
same.
Now, does this mean I should run the ISO I made with Jigdo through
isohybrid now that I have a running Linux system?
On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 17:25:39 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Steve Matzura:
>> Thomas, just dd the file? That re
On Thu 31 Dec 2015 at 11:17:59 -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
'fdisk -l /dev/sdX' will show a partition table (as described by Thomas
Schmitt). A 21GB image will not fit on a 16GM USB stick.
> How would I know for sure if it's ISO hybrid, and how would it fit on
> a standard 16GB drive? Guess it wo
Hi,
Steve Matzura:
> Thomas, just dd the file? That really works?
Yes. It's called "isohybrid".
http://www.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php/Isohybrid
As said: Copy it onto the base device, the whole "disk".
It must overwrite MBR, partition table, GPT, whatever partitioning
and boot sector is presen
How would I know for sure if it's ISO hybrid, and how would it fit on
a standard 16GB drive? Guess it wouldn't, unless there was a great
deal of extra space appended at the time the thing was created which
could be truncated/removed. Actually, I strongly suspect that's true
because the temp file t
On Thu 31 Dec 2015 at 10:37:22 -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
Thanks for that; I was thinking of doing it. 21GB seems closer to 4 to
5 DVDs than 3.
The image is should be an isohybrid one. Put it on a thumbdrive with
cat, cp or dd. For example:
cat ISO > /dev/sdX
X is a, b, c etc. Obtain X fro
Joe,
On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 15:43:12 +, you wrote:
>No, it's the very opposite of knowing where things go. The dd command
>is a very simple, completely unintelligent copier. But an ISO file is
>an image, literally every byte stored on some medium being scraped up
>in order, with the intention th
On Thu 31 Dec 2015 at 10:21:06 -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
Andrew M.A. Cater's bluray suggestion is a good one. Most everything of
what you want should be in the image. An alternative method with more
than 3 DVDs is at
https://wiki.debian.org/Installation+Archive+USBStick
> to put a sock in this
On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 10:23:10 -0500
Steve Matzura wrote:
> Thomas, just dd the file? That really works? I've got to try this.
> I've heard of this being the way to do things, but find it hard to
> understand how it could work. I suppose the boot loaders know what to
> do with ISO images.
>
No, i
Rick:
I did the Jigdo build on Windows, but I installed Debian from DVD, and
that went just swimmingly right up until the post-installation first
boot. Actually the system was OK, but for some reason, it set my sound
card's volumes, all of them, to 0. That is now being investigated by
Debian acces
For those who want to try this, the size of the Iso I got from the
Jigdo build far exceeds a 16GB stick. It's reported as 20.9GB. I
suppose I'll have to use one of my prized 32GB USB3 thumbdrives for
this test.
Thomas, just dd the file? That really works? I've got to try this.
I've heard of this being the way to do things, but find it hard to
understand how it could work. I suppose the boot loaders know what to
do with ISO images.
On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 22:34:56 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Steve Matzura wrot
to put a sock in this discussion, I have, in fact, gone to one or two
locations where there was *NO* Internet at all because the person who
wanted an accessible computer had no idea that in this day and age a
network connection is a virtual requirement to do anything useful.
They were quite happy t
On Thursday 31 December 2015 09:22:25 Joe wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 23:03:38 +
>
> Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Wednesday 30 December 2015 20:32:30 Joe wrote:
> > > On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 19:41:08 +
> > >
> > > Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday 30 December 2015 19:34:54 Steve Matzura wro
On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 23:03:38 +
Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Wednesday 30 December 2015 20:32:30 Joe wrote:
> > On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 19:41:08 +
> >
> > Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 30 December 2015 19:34:54 Steve Matzura wrote:
> > > > The USB thumb drive idea was just something I
>
Hi,
i wrote:
> > with the advise to use cp or dd and its link to
> > http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/
Rick Thomas wrote:
> Steve only has a Windows computer right now. [...]
He reported to have tried on Linux, too.
> so dd or cp are not available.
Cygwin or alike ?
> Whate
> On Dec 30, 2015, at 1:34 PM, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Steve Matzura wrote:
>> didn't do anything to the medium before using a ISO2USB to write to it.
>
> Do not use any repacker tool with the debian-cd ISOs.
> Rather copy them plainly onto the base device of the USB drive.
> E.g. on
On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 23:01:43 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Wednesday 30 December 2015 19:54:50 Brian wrote:
> > On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 19:39:10 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 30 December 2015 17:29:30 Brian wrote:
> > > > On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 10:37:53 -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
> >
On Wednesday 30 December 2015 20:32:30 Joe wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 19:41:08 +
>
> Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Wednesday 30 December 2015 19:34:54 Steve Matzura wrote:
> > > The USB thumb drive idea was just something I
> > > thought I would try to make work because it's convenient to carry i
On Wednesday 30 December 2015 19:54:50 Brian wrote:
> On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 19:39:10 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Wednesday 30 December 2015 17:29:30 Brian wrote:
> > > On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 10:37:53 -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
> > > > Can the net install run with speech? I didn't think it could
Hi,
Steve Matzura wrote:
> didn't do anything to the medium before using a ISO2USB to write to it.
Do not use any repacker tool with the debian-cd ISOs.
Rather copy them plainly onto the base device of the USB drive.
E.g. onto /dev/sdc if it is at a Linux machine.
See
https://www.debian.org/CD
I didn't do anything to the medium before using a ISO2USB to write to
it. In fact, it was a fresh USB thum drive, literally right out of the
package.
On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 20:24:04 +, you wrote:
>On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 14:34:54 -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
>
>> Sorry, I missed that question. I ha
On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 11:56:14 -0800, Rick Thomas wrote:
>
> On Dec 30, 2015, at 11:39 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday 30 December 2015 17:29:30 Brian wrote:
> >> On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 10:37:53 -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
> >>> Can the net install run with speech? I didn't think it cou
On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 19:41:08 +
Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Wednesday 30 December 2015 19:34:54 Steve Matzura wrote:
> > The USB thumb drive idea was just something I
> > thought I would try to make work because it's convenient to carry it
> > around and use on various hardwares I encounter on a re
On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 14:34:54 -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
> Sorry, I missed that question. I have not put it on a stick as yet,
> not even the (relatively) small DVD image. I tried using ISO2USB but
> couldn't get the thing to boot. I don't know if it was because my
> thumb drive wouldn't coopera
On Dec 30, 2015, at 11:39 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Wednesday 30 December 2015 17:29:30 Brian wrote:
>> On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 10:37:53 -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
>>> Can the net install run with speech? I didn't think it could.
>>
>> "Install with speech systhesis" is the last item in the ins
On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 19:39:10 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Wednesday 30 December 2015 17:29:30 Brian wrote:
> > On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 10:37:53 -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
> > > Can the net install run with speech? I didn't think it could.
> >
> > "Install with speech systhesis" is the last item
On Wednesday 30 December 2015 19:48:02 Steve Matzura wrote:
> Well, true enough, but if it isn't, it's a viable alternative. In my
> line of work, alternatives rule.
:-)
As I say, I prefer it. It is simpler, where it is suitable at all.
Lisi
>
> On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 19:41:08 +, you wrote:
>
Well, true enough, but if it isn't, it's a viable alternative. In my
line of work, alternatives rule.
On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 19:41:08 +, you wrote:
>On Wednesday 30 December 2015 19:34:54 Steve Matzura wrote:
>> The USB thumb drive idea was just something I
>> thought I would try to make work be
On Wednesday 30 December 2015 19:34:54 Steve Matzura wrote:
> The USB thumb drive idea was just something I
> thought I would try to make work because it's convenient to carry it
> around and use on various hardwares I encounter on a regular basis in
> my travels as the itinerant accessible computi
On Wednesday 30 December 2015 17:29:30 Brian wrote:
> On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 10:37:53 -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
> > Can the net install run with speech? I didn't think it could.
>
> "Install with speech systhesis" is the last item in the installer menu.
>
> The only major difference between DVD-1
Sorry, I missed that question. I have not put it on a stick as yet,
not even the (relatively) small DVD image. I tried using ISO2USB but
couldn't get the thing to boot. I don't know if it was because my
thumb drive wouldn't cooperate, or just what, but I definitely did
make it work with ISO2USB and
On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 13:26:10 -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
If you are experimenting I would choose Manual partitioning and go for a
single 10/20 GB partition. You are not exactly installing very much and
that is plenty.
A repeat question: how did you get the ISO on a USB stick? (Assuming
this is
On Wednesday 30 December 2015 15:37:53 Steve Matzura wrote:
> Can the net install run with speech? I didn't think it could.
Yes, it can.
Lisi
>
> On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 15:26:49 +, you wrote:
> >On Wednesday 30 December 2015 14:00:18 Steve Matzura wrote:
> >> I'm doing it to an NTFS filesystem dr
On Wednesday 30 December 2015 15:45:05 Steve Matzura wrote:
> Lisi:
>
> On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 15:30:11 +, you wrote:
> >> Why not use the net-install? That fits _easily_ on a stick, even a
> >> small stick, and away you go. Just do the basic install and then pull
> >> the rest off the net. You
I chose the partition scheme offering separate /, /home, /var and /tmp
partitions. I would have preferred to put /home on a different
physical drive only because everything else will be living on an SSD
and I would prefer to keep the writes to that disk at a minimum. I
have an extra rotating disk o
On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 12:49:25 -0500, Steve Matzura wrote
As a matter of interest, how did you partition the disk? What
partitioning scheme did you use?
Also, you might have, I think, written the DVD-1 ISO image to a USB
stick from within Windows. How did you do it?
I went through the speech syn
Frankly, neither can I, and I also can't see why the "install
additional software" procedure in Step 14 would fail, but it did, and
there we are. I'll try DVD 1 again now. At least I won't have to go
through the disk partitioning business again. That part is all done.
On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 17:29:30
On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 10:37:53 -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
> Can the net install run with speech? I didn't think it could.
"Install with speech systhesis" is the last item in the installer menu.
The only major difference between DVD-1 and the netinst ISO is the first
gets packages from the DVD (
On 12/29/2015 3:18 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
Is there a way to place the contents of all the Debian installation
ISO's on a single USB drive?
Yes, at least with Squeeze. I haven't tried with Wheezy or Jessie
yet. My motivation was that until recently I was limited to dial
up. My initial soluti
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On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 09:00:18AM -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
> I'm doing it to an NTFS filesystem drive.
According to Wikipedia [1] it has a file size limit of 16 EiB
(further limited by Windows NT to 16 TiB), so no, that doesn't
seem to be the prob
Lisi:
On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 15:30:11 +, you wrote:
>> Why not use the net-install? That fits _easily_ on a stick, even a small
>> stick, and away you go. Just do the basic install and then pull the rest
>> off the net. You don't need everything.
>>
>> I never use anything else. You can get
Can the net install run with speech? I didn't think it could.
On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 15:26:49 +, you wrote:
>On Wednesday 30 December 2015 14:00:18 Steve Matzura wrote:
>> I'm doing it to an NTFS filesystem drive.
>>
>> On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 10:06:13 +0100, you wrote:
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On Wednesday 30 December 2015 15:26:49 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Wednesday 30 December 2015 14:00:18 Steve Matzura wrote:
> > I'm doing it to an NTFS filesystem drive.
> >
> > On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 10:06:13 +0100, you wrote:
> > >
> > >On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 08:52:56PM -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
> >
On Wednesday 30 December 2015 14:00:18 Steve Matzura wrote:
> I'm doing it to an NTFS filesystem drive.
>
> On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 10:06:13 +0100, you wrote:
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> >On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 08:52:56PM -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
> >> Thanks, Andy. I d
I'm doing it to an NTFS filesystem drive.
On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 10:06:13 +0100, you wrote:
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>On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 08:52:56PM -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
>> Thanks, Andy. I downloaded the Windows Jigdo downloader and found a
>> mirror in my state,
Um, if I had one, I would. Thats the whole purpose of this
exercise--to get me a Linux machine, so I just thought I'd do it the
easy way.
Jigdo ran all night and I got nothing. In fact, it's still trying.
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 20:34:05 -0800, you wrote:
>
>On Dec 29, 2015, at 5:52 PM, Steve Matzur
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On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 08:52:56PM -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
> Thanks, Andy. I downloaded the Windows Jigdo downloader and found a
> mirror in my state, but I keep getting the following when trying to
> download the Blu-ray image after several connec
On Dec 29, 2015, at 5:52 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 04:18:15PM -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
>>> Is there a way to place the contents of all the Debian installation
>>> ISO's on a single USB drive? For example, after creating the boot
>>> drive from the first ISO image, ca
Thanks, Andy. I downloaded the Windows Jigdo downloader and found a
mirror in my state, but I keep getting the following when trying to
download the Blu-ray image after several connect attempts: result too
large
>On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 04:18:15PM -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
>> Is there a way to p
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 04:18:15PM -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
> Is there a way to place the contents of all the Debian installation
> ISO's on a single USB drive? For example, after creating the boot
> drive from the first ISO image, can the files from the second and
> third images be simply copie
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