Re: Printers using free software only

Am Donnerstag, 2. August 2012 schrieb green: > Martin Steigerwald wrote at 2012-08-02 13:19 -0500: > > I am quite confident my HP OfficeJet 5610 doesn´t contain such a > > nasty firmware, as I am using it for a real long time now. > > True according to >

Re: Printers using free software only

On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 18:02:19 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 02:06:07PM +, Camaleón wrote: >> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:43:13 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: (...) >> > The understanding I got from reading Roger's post was that if you are >> > using CUPS, *THEN* you are automa

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On Thu 02 Aug 2012 at 20:28:32 +0100, Dom wrote: > On 02/08/12 19:54, Brian wrote: > >On Thu 02 Aug 2012 at 20:17:27 +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > > >>Am Montag, 23. Juli 2012 schrieb Brian: > >>> > >>>All the major applications on the popular DEs are now geared up to > >>>output in PDF for

Re: Printers using free software only

Martin Steigerwald wrote at 2012-08-02 13:19 -0500: > I am quite confident my HP OfficeJet 5610 doesn´t contain such a nasty > firmware, as I am using it for a real long time now. True according to (search for "

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On 02/08/12 19:54, Brian wrote: On Thu 02 Aug 2012 at 20:17:27 +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Am Montag, 23. Juli 2012 schrieb Brian: All the major applications on the popular DEs are now geared up to output in PDF format when printing. Haven´t there been plans to switch CUPS to use PDF i

Re: Printers using free software only

On Thu 02 Aug 2012 at 20:17:27 +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Am Montag, 23. Juli 2012 schrieb Brian: > > > > All the major applications on the popular DEs are now geared up to > > output in PDF format when printing. > > Haven´t there been plans to switch CUPS to use PDF internally as well?

Re: Printers using free software only

Am Donnerstag, 2. August 2012 schrieb Roger Leigh: > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 02:06:07PM +, Camaleón wrote: > > On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:43:13 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 04:51:11PM +, Camaleón wrote: > > >> I just wanted to point a scenario where the j

Re: Printers using free software only

Am Donnerstag, 26. Juli 2012 schrieb Gaël DONVAL: > Three goods points were raised: > 1) Postscript printers (advertised so) are great in that regard because > they only need a PPD (ASCII) file to work. This is not the only way to > be sure the printer will work in 10 years but this is the easiest

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Am Montag, 23. Juli 2012 schrieb Brian: > On Mon 23 Jul 2012 at 08:29:49 -0300, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: > > On 07/23/2012 07:47 AM, Registros Web wrote: > > >Hi all, > > > > > >Im about to buy a printer and want to make sure I get one that uses > > >100% free software, no blobs or proprietary d

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Am Montag, 23. Juli 2012 schrieb green: > Stan Hoeppner wrote at 2012-07-23 06:59 -0500: > > On 7/23/2012 6:17 AM, Teemu Likonen wrote: > > > I suggest buying a PostScript printer with ethernet connection. > > > > LEXMARK E260dn, monochrome laser: > I purchased a Lexmark E360dn, hoping for good Li

Re: Printers using free software only

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 02:06:07PM +, Camaleón wrote: > On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:43:13 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 04:51:11PM +, Camaleón wrote: > >> I just wanted to point a scenario where the jump to a PDF filter as the > >> default backend can have its trou

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On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:43:13 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 04:51:11PM +, Camaleón wrote: >> I just wanted to point a scenario where the jump to a PDF filter as the >> default backend can have its troubles and not be nor as good nor as >> simple nor as easy as the whit

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On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 07:43:13PM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 04:51:11PM +, Camaleón wrote: > > I just wanted to point a scenario where the jump to a PDF filter as the > > default backend can have its troubles and not be nor as good nor as > > simple nor as easy a

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On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 04:51:11PM +, Camaleón wrote: > I just wanted to point a scenario where the jump to a PDF filter as the > default backend can have its troubles and not be nor as good nor as > simple nor as easy as the white papers say. Companies have always showed > different needs t

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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:33:34 +0100, Brian wrote: > On Mon 30 Jul 2012 at 15:03:26 +, Camaleón wrote: > >> On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 16:39:40 +0100, Brian wrote: >> >> > On Sun 29 Jul 2012 at 14:11:22 +, Camaleón wrote: >> >> >> >> Does your printer integrate a PDF interprerter? The ones I >>

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 23/07/12 20:30, green wrote: > I do wish there were more hardware manufacturers with a real interest in > making their products work well with Linux. HP is the best I have seen: > http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/recommended.html I have had

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On Mon 30 Jul 2012 at 15:03:26 +, Camaleón wrote: > On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 16:39:40 +0100, Brian wrote: > > > On Sun 29 Jul 2012 at 14:11:22 +, Camaleón wrote: > > >> >> Does your printer integrate a PDF interprerter? The ones I managed > >> >> do not, just PCL6 and PostScript. > >> > > >>

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On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 16:39:40 +0100, Brian wrote: > On Sun 29 Jul 2012 at 14:11:22 +, Camaleón wrote: >> >> Does your printer integrate a PDF interprerter? The ones I managed >> >> do not, just PCL6 and PostScript. >> > >> > No, it does not. Does it need to? This subthread began with the >> >

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On Sun 29 Jul 2012 at 14:11:22 +, Camaleón wrote: > On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 12:29:22 +0100, Brian wrote: > > > On Sat 28 Jul 2012 at 15:45:44 +, Camaleón wrote: > > > >> Does your printer integrate a PDF interprerter? The ones I managed do > >> not, just PCL6 and PostScript. > > > > No, it

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On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 12:29:22 +0100, Brian wrote: > On Sat 28 Jul 2012 at 15:45:44 +, Camaleón wrote: > >> On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 16:17:22 +0100, Brian wrote: >> >> > Anyway: a PostScript printer has a PostScript interpreter; a PCL >> > printer has a PCL interpreter; a PDF printer has a PDF inte

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On Sat 28 Jul 2012 at 15:45:44 +, Camaleón wrote: > On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 16:17:22 +0100, Brian wrote: > > > Anyway: a PostScript printer has a PostScript interpreter; a PCL printer > > has a PCL interpreter; a PDF printer has a PDF interpreter. They accept > > print jobs sent directly to them

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On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 16:17:22 +0100, Brian wrote: > On Sat 28 Jul 2012 at 13:37:22 +, Camaleón wrote: (...) >> But I already knew there are printers in the market that direct print >> to PDF (as well as options 2/ and 3/ are also possible). I did not >> asked about that. I asked what *you* we

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On Sat 28 Jul 2012 at 13:37:22 +, Camaleón wrote: > On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 13:49:53 +0100, Brian wrote: > > > It matches your "1/". Here is another one: > > > > > > http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF06b/18972-18972-3328060-15077-236268-3965798-3965802-3965808.html?dnr=1 > > Ah, you

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On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 13:49:53 +0100, Brian wrote: > On Sat 28 Jul 2012 at 10:58:02 +, Camaleón wrote: > >> On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 18:26:05 +0100, Brian wrote: >> >> > http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/review/1956699/review-hp-laserjet-cp4525-colour-printer >> >> Uh, what is this link for? :-? > > You

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On Sat 28 Jul 2012 at 10:58:02 +, Camaleón wrote: > On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 18:26:05 +0100, Brian wrote: > > > http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/review/1956699/review-hp-laserjet-cp4525-colour-printer > > Uh, what is this link for? :-? You didn't read all of the content? It matches your "1/". Here is a

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On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 18:26:05 +0100, Brian wrote: > On Fri 27 Jul 2012 at 16:21:42 +, Camaleón wrote: > >> On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 16:43:24 +0100, Brian wrote: >> > >> > Its a balance. Pros and cons. With a PDF printer: >> >> Define a "PDF printer". What's that? (...) >> Because until now I ha

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On Fri 27 Jul 2012 at 16:21:42 +, Camaleón wrote: > On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 16:43:24 +0100, Brian wrote: > > > > Its a balance. Pros and cons. With a PDF printer: > > Define a "PDF printer". What's that? > > 1/ A physical device (printer) with physical PDF interpreter on it (PDF > add-on card

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On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 16:43:24 +0100, Brian wrote: > On Fri 27 Jul 2012 at 14:15:56 +, Camaleón wrote: (...) >> How can be that adding an extra step (which increases time and >> resources) is something "good"? And good for "who" (developers, >> printers or users)? > > Its a balance. Pros and

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On Fri 27 Jul 2012 at 14:15:56 +, Camaleón wrote: > On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 23:26:37 +0100, Brian wrote: > > > Roger Leigh gave a good explanation of the role played by PDF in the > > CUPS printing process on Debian. You snipped most of it, including this: > > > >> A native PDF workflow is f

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On Fri 27 Jul 2012 at 12:00:34 +0200, Gaël DONVAL wrote: > Le jeudi 26 juillet 2012 à 23:14 +0100, Brian a écrit : > > I'll take the 'whatever'. > > > >lp -d -o raw test.ps > > > > goes to the printer (the machine) without any filtering and gives a nice > > printout if the machine understan

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On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 23:26:37 +0100, Brian wrote: > On Thu 26 Jul 2012 at 17:10:12 +, Camaleón wrote: > >> On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 17:27:26 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: >> >> > No, while PDF does perhaps allow such things, it's far far better >> > than PostScript. >> >> (...) >> >> PostScript is a

Re: Printers using free software only

Le jeudi 26 juillet 2012 à 23:14 +0100, Brian a écrit : > I'll take the 'whatever'. > >lp -d -o raw test.ps > > goes to the printer (the machine) without any filtering and gives a nice > printout if the machine understands PostScript. > >lp -d -o raw test.pdf > > also does the same bu

Re: Printers using free software only

On Thu 26 Jul 2012 at 17:10:12 +, Camaleón wrote: > On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 17:27:26 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > > > No, while PDF does perhaps allow such things, it's far far better than > > PostScript. > > (...) > > PostScript is a languge for machines not for human beings. It does not > hav

Re: Printers using free software only

On Thu 26 Jul 2012 at 13:03:32 +0200, Gaël DONVAL wrote: > Le mercredi 25 juillet 2012 à 21:34 +0100, Brian a écrit : > > On Wed 25 Jul 2012 at 23:23:14 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > > > I was trying to point out that a PS printer is also a PDF printer. > > > > Are you using the word 'pri

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On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 17:27:26 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 02:39:29PM +, Camaleón wrote: >> On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 23:23:14 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: >> >> >> >> No major application on the popular DEs outputs PostScript when >> >> printing. >> > >> > I was trying to po

Re: Printers using free software only

On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 02:39:29PM +, Camaleón wrote: > On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 23:23:14 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > >> > >> No major application on the popular DEs outputs PostScript when > >> printing. > > > > I was trying to point out that a PS printer is also a PDF printer. > > And better

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On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 23:23:14 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Mi, 25 iul 12, 21:18:19, Brian wrote: >> On Wed 25 Jul 2012 at 18:02:11 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: >> >> > On Lu, 23 iul 12, 18:05:45, Brian wrote: >> > > >> > > All the major applications on the popular DEs are now geared up to >>

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Le mercredi 25 juillet 2012 à 21:34 +0100, Brian a écrit : > On Wed 25 Jul 2012 at 23:23:14 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > On Mi, 25 iul 12, 21:18:19, Brian wrote: > > > On Wed 25 Jul 2012 at 18:02:11 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > > > > On Lu, 23 iul 12, 18:05:45, Brian wrote: > > > >

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On Wed 25 Jul 2012 at 23:23:14 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Mi, 25 iul 12, 21:18:19, Brian wrote: > > On Wed 25 Jul 2012 at 18:02:11 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > > On Lu, 23 iul 12, 18:05:45, Brian wrote: > > > > > > > > All the major applications on the popular DEs are now geared u

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On Mi, 25 iul 12, 21:18:19, Brian wrote: > On Wed 25 Jul 2012 at 18:02:11 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > On Lu, 23 iul 12, 18:05:45, Brian wrote: > > > > > > All the major applications on the popular DEs are now geared up to > > > output in PDF format when printing. > > > > PDF is kind of a

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On Wed 25 Jul 2012 at 18:02:11 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Lu, 23 iul 12, 18:05:45, Brian wrote: > > > > All the major applications on the popular DEs are now geared up to > > output in PDF format when printing. > > PDF is kind of a subset of PostScript ;) > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pd

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On Lu, 23 iul 12, 18:05:45, Brian wrote: > > All the major applications on the popular DEs are now geared up to > output in PDF format when printing. PDF is kind of a subset of PostScript ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pdf#PostScript Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian us

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> All the major applications on the popular DEs are now geared up to > output in PDF format when printing. Yes but CUPS should handle that for you automatically. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.

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PS: On Mon, 2012-07-23 at 22:28 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2012-07-23 at 14:30 -0500, green wrote: > > HP is the best I have seen: > > http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/recommended.html > > I only can speak for an outdated DeskJet 600. For this kind of low > quality printer you can ge

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On Mon, 2012-07-23 at 14:30 -0500, green wrote: > HP is the best I have seen: > http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/recommended.html I only can speak for an outdated DeskJet 600. For this kind of low quality printer you can get very good prints, if you find the Gutenprint driver, which can take s

Re: Printers using free software only

Stan Hoeppner wrote at 2012-07-23 06:59 -0500: > On 7/23/2012 6:17 AM, Teemu Likonen wrote: > > I suggest buying a PostScript printer with ethernet connection. > > LEXMARK E260dn, monochrome laser: I purchased a Lexmark E360dn, hoping for good Linux support. It prints nicely, but does not give

Re: Printers using free software only

On 07/23/2012 07:51 AM, Registros Web wrote: On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Teemu Likonen wrote: Registros Web [2012-07-23 12:47:27 +0200] wrote: Im about to buy a printer and want to make sure I get one that uses 100% free software, no blobs or proprietary drivers, so I can get on using it

Re: Printers using free software only

On 07/23/2012 07:17 AM, Teemu Likonen wrote: Registros Web [2012-07-23 12:47:27 +0200] wrote: Im about to buy a printer and want to make sure I get one that uses 100% free software, no blobs or proprietary drivers, so I can get on using it even if the manufacturer decides to cease support of th

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On Mon 23 Jul 2012 at 08:29:49 -0300, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: > On 07/23/2012 07:47 AM, Registros Web wrote: > >Hi all, > > > >Im about to buy a printer and want to make sure I get one that uses > >100% free software, no blobs or proprietary drivers, so I can get on > >using it even if the man

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On Mon 23 Jul 2012 at 14:11:57 +, Hendrik Boom wrote: > A fair number of printers that do postscript are actually ghostscript > printers. Technically, ghostscript is nonfree, but when I investigated a > while ago, each version of ghostscript remanins proprietary for about two > years, and

Re: Printers using free software only

Stan Hoeppner [2012-07-23 06:59:32 -0500] wrote: > On 7/23/2012 6:17 AM, Teemu Likonen wrote: >> I suggest buying a PostScript printer with ethernet connection. > > LEXMARK E260dn, monochrome laser: > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16828106506 > $150 USD > > LEXMARK C540n, col

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Registros Web: > > PostScript sounds great guys but, how do I now if a printer is a > PostScript printer? Do you know of any brand that makes then? Postscript compatibility should always be listed in the printer's specs. It is probably not written on the box in bold letters, but the manufacturer'

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> ...but how would one print with a word processor written to look for the > printer on a printer port under the Ethernet suggestion below? > Karen > Not sure whether I understood you well. But on most systems, one use CUPS to manage printing stuff. You just have to add your ethernet printer to t

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...but how would one print with a word processor written to look for the printer on a printer port under the Ethernet suggestion below? Karen On Mon, 23 Jul 2012, Registros Web wrote: On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Teemu Likonen wrote: Registros Web [2012-07-23 12:47:27 +0200] wrote: Im

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On 7/23/2012 6:17 AM, Teemu Likonen wrote: > I suggest buying a PostScript printer with ethernet connection. LEXMARK E260dn, monochrome laser: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16828106506 $150 USD LEXMARK C540n, color laser: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E

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On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Teemu Likonen wrote: > Registros Web [2012-07-23 12:47:27 +0200] wrote: > >> Im about to buy a printer and want to make sure I get one that uses >> 100% free software, no blobs or proprietary drivers, so I can get on >> using it even if the manufacturer decides to

Re: Printers using free software only

On 07/23/2012 07:47 AM, Registros Web wrote: Hi all, Im about to buy a printer and want to make sure I get one that uses 100% free software, no blobs or proprietary drivers, so I can get on using it even if the manufacturer decides to cease support of the printer. If you buy a printer that sup

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Registros Web [2012-07-23 12:47:27 +0200] wrote: > Im about to buy a printer and want to make sure I get one that uses > 100% free software, no blobs or proprietary drivers, so I can get on > using it even if the manufacturer decides to cease support of the > printer. I suggest buying a PostScrip