Le Wed, 17 Oct 2018 13:02:23 -0400,
Gene Heskett a écrit :
> On Wednesday 17 October 2018 05:38:38 Morel Bérenger wrote:
>
> > Le Wed, 17 Oct 2018 04:40:49 -0400,
> >
> > Gene Heskett a écrit :
> > > On Wednesday 17 October 2018 04:00:37 Morel Bérenger wrote:
> > > > Le Tue, 16 Oct 2018 17:
On Wed 17 Oct 2018 at 08:32:30 (+0100), mick crane wrote:
> On 2018-10-17 05:33, David Wright wrote:
> > On Wed 17 Oct 2018 at 04:35:36 (+0100), mick crane wrote:
> > > On 2018-10-16 22:53, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday 16 October 2018 13:11:45 Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Tue
On Wednesday 17 October 2018 05:38:38 Morel Bérenger wrote:
> Le Wed, 17 Oct 2018 04:40:49 -0400,
>
> Gene Heskett a écrit :
> > On Wednesday 17 October 2018 04:00:37 Morel Bérenger wrote:
> > > Le Tue, 16 Oct 2018 17:53:37 -0400,
> > >
> > > Gene Heskett a écrit :
> > > > On Tuesday 16 October
On 10/17/2018 07:32 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 05:28:04PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
The point is that no one from the systemd camp has, to my knowledge,
posted a list of things it can do better than sysvinit. Point out
sysvinit's warts, and what systemd does to excise the
On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 05:28:04PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> The point is that no one from the systemd camp has, to my knowledge,
> posted a list of things it can do better than sysvinit. Point out
> sysvinit's warts, and what systemd does to excise the ugly stuff.
I'm not really in "the syst
Le Wed, 17 Oct 2018 04:40:49 -0400,
Gene Heskett a écrit :
> On Wednesday 17 October 2018 04:00:37 Morel Bérenger wrote:
>
> > Le Tue, 16 Oct 2018 17:53:37 -0400,
> >
> > Gene Heskett a écrit :
> > > On Tuesday 16 October 2018 13:11:45 Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 12
On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 04:58:58AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Wednesday 17 October 2018 04:11:00 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
[...]
> > Now there are counter-arguments to all of that, and on my balance
> > they dominate (that's why I stick with sysvinit), but saying that
> > "no one from the syst
Le Tue, 16 Oct 2018 17:53:37 -0400,
Gene Heskett a écrit :
> For me, its a right PITA because I am forced to goto that machines
> keyboard/monitor location when there is something I need to install.
I wonder why you don't use a tool like rex in combination with apt/dpkg
to update/install softwar
On Wednesday 17 October 2018 04:11:00 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 05:28:04PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > The point is that no one from the systemd camp has, to my knowledge,
> > posted a list of things it can do better than sysvinit. Point out
> > sysvinit's wa
On Wednesday 17 October 2018 04:00:37 Morel Bérenger wrote:
> Le Tue, 16 Oct 2018 17:53:37 -0400,
>
> Gene Heskett a écrit :
> > On Tuesday 16 October 2018 13:11:45 Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 12:43:40PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > #1 is ssh -Y has been killed from j
On Tue 16/Oct/2018 16:54:57 +0200 Morel Bérenger wrote:
> Le Sun, 14 Oct 2018 10:23:15 -0400,
> Dan Ritter a écrit :
>
>> I have encountered no problems that can be attributed to my choice of
>> init system.
>
> Doing the same. Works fine, except the fact network interfaces that are
> using DHCP
On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 05:28:04PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 11:18:10AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > >The packagers, who probably have a better overall view of just
> > > what this thing called systemd is, should be speaking up to
> > > confirm or dispel this rumor
Le Tue, 16 Oct 2018 17:53:37 -0400,
Gene Heskett a écrit :
> On Tuesday 16 October 2018 13:11:45 Greg Wooledge wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 12:43:40PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > #1 is ssh -Y has been killed from jessie on. No excuse for doing
> > > it and bug filing is ignored.
On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 05:28:04PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
[...]
> The point is that no one from the systemd camp has, to my knowledge,
> posted a list of things it can do better than sysvinit. Point out
> sysvinit's warts, and what systemd does to excise the ugly stuff.
Now this is unfair.
On 2018-10-17 05:33, David Wright wrote:
On Wed 17 Oct 2018 at 04:35:36 (+0100), mick crane wrote:
On 2018-10-16 22:53, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 16 October 2018 13:11:45 Greg Wooledge wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 12:43:40PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > #1 is ssh -Y has been k
On Tue, 16 Oct 2018, Gene Heskett wrote:
Other things on my mind, like the cataract op on my right eye at 7AM,
good luck with that! I had both eyes done this past Spring.
fjd
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On Wed 17 Oct 2018 at 04:35:36 (+0100), mick crane wrote:
> On 2018-10-16 22:53, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Tuesday 16 October 2018 13:11:45 Greg Wooledge wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 12:43:40PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > #1 is ssh -Y has been killed from jessie on. No excuse f
On 2018-10-16 22:53, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Tuesday 16 October 2018 13:11:45 Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 12:43:40PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> #1 is ssh -Y has been killed from jessie on. No excuse for doing it
> and bug filing is ignored.
I don't know what you mean by this.
On Tuesday 16 October 2018 19:01:53 David Wright wrote:
> On Tue 16 Oct 2018 at 17:53:37 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Tuesday 16 October 2018 13:11:45 Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 12:43:40PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > #1 is ssh -Y has been killed from jessie on
On Tue 16 Oct 2018 at 17:53:37 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 16 October 2018 13:11:45 Greg Wooledge wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 12:43:40PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > #1 is ssh -Y has been killed from jessie on. No excuse for doing it
> > > and bug filing is ignored.
> >
On Tuesday 16 October 2018 13:11:45 Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 12:43:40PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > #1 is ssh -Y has been killed from jessie on. No excuse for doing it
> > and bug filing is ignored.
>
> I don't know what you mean by this. I just performed the following
>
On Tuesday 16 October 2018 12:48:21 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 12:18:43PM -0400, Default User wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018, 12:12 Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 11:18:10AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > >The packagers, who probably have a better
On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 06:48:21PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
See? and this is why we can't have nice things.
Spam filters and killfiles are nice things. If you hadn't fed that
troll, I would never have seen that line of their message.
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On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 12:43:40PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
You forget I'm a red hat ex-pat.
snip
I understand that a stretch version is being worked on,
snip
I haven't forgotten anything: I didn't know, I don't need to know, and
none of what you wrote in this mail seems to have any relevan
On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 16:54:48 +0100
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 11:18:10AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >The packagers, who probably have a better overall view of just what
> >this thing called systemd is, should be speaking up to confirm or
> >dispel this rumor
>
> Why wa
Le Sun, 14 Oct 2018 10:23:15 -0400,
Dan Ritter a écrit :
> I have encountered no problems that can be attributed to my choice of
> init system.
Doing the same. Works fine, except the fact network interfaces that are
using DHCPCD but are unplugged slow down the boot process *a lot*.
I could only
On 2018-10-16 18:11, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 12:43:40PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
#1 is ssh -Y has been killed from jessie on. No excuse for doing it
and
bug filing is ignored.
I don't know what you mean by this. I just performed the following
experiment on my stretch w
On Tue 16/Oct/2018 17:52:15 +0200 Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 04:18:52PM +0200, john doe wrote:
>> Hopefully, both parties (Debian/Devian) will come back to there senses
>> and will find a way to accomodate supporting Systemd and an alternative
>> init daemon.
>
> In the case
On Tue, Oct 16, 2018, 13:06 wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 12:18:43PM -0400, Default User wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018, 12:12 Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 11:18:10AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > >The packagers, who probably have a better overall view of just
On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 12:43:40PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> #1 is ssh -Y has been killed from jessie on. No excuse for doing it and
> bug filing is ignored.
I don't know what you mean by this. I just performed the following
experiment on my stretch workstation (wooledg), in communications wi
On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 12:18:43PM -0400, Default User wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018, 12:12 Jonathan Dowland wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 11:18:10AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > >The packagers, who probably have a better overall view of just what this
> > >thing called systemd is, shoul
On Tuesday 16 October 2018 11:54:48 Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 11:18:10AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >The packagers, who probably have a better overall view of just what
> > this thing called systemd is, should be speaking up to confirm or
> > dispel this rumor
>
> Why was
On Tue, Oct 16, 2018, 12:12 Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 11:18:10AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >The packagers, who probably have a better overall view of just what this
> >thing called systemd is, should be speaking up to confirm or dispel this
> >rumor
>
> Why waste time g
On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 11:18:10AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
The packagers, who probably have a better overall view of just what this
thing called systemd is, should be speaking up to confirm or dispel this
rumor
Why waste time giving credence to nonsense? Those who are prepared to
believe tha
On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 04:18:52PM +0200, john doe wrote:
Hopefully, both parties (Debian/Devian) will come back to there senses
and will find a way to accomodate supporting Systemd and an alternative
init daemon.
In the case of Debian, I don't think anyone is short of their senses.
Those who w
On Tuesday 16 October 2018 05:23:33 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 10:01:46AM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > If sysvinit was removed from Debian, than this would increase the
> > amount of work for Devuan quite significantly, because lots of
> > individual Debian
On 10/16/2018 11:01 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 09:58:30AM -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote:
>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2018, 9:42 AM Jonathan Dowland wrote:
>>> It's currently at risk by a lack of maintainers for the sysvinit
>>> package.
>>
>> Does this mean that Devuan is also at r
On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 10:01:46AM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
[...]
> If sysvinit was removed from Debian, than this would increase the amount
> of work for Devuan quite significantly, because lots of individual
> Debian packages that currently implement sysvinit support would slowly
> start
On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 09:58:30AM -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote:
On Mon, Oct 15, 2018, 9:42 AM Jonathan Dowland wrote:
It's currently at risk by a lack of maintainers for the sysvinit
package.
Does this mean that Devuan is also at risk?
I can merely speculate. I know very little about Devuan
On Mon, Oct 15, 2018, 9:42 AM Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 10:23:15AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
>
> >I hope that this situation continues in the next iteration of Stable,
>
> It's currently at risk by a lack of maintainers for the sysvinit
> package.
>
Does this mean that Dev
On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 10:23:15AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
I hope that this situation continues in the next iteration of Stable,
It's currently at risk by a lack of maintainers for the sysvinit
package.
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On 14.10.18 12:36, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> FYI: Testing Devuan ascii now for future consideration. No problems so
> far. Still like runit though. And it's easy to convert the
> default sysvinit to it.
+1 (Running pre-systemd debian on laptop and one old desktop, devuan
ascii on the new one
On Sun, 14 Oct 2018 10:23:15 -0400
Dan Ritter wrote:
> Throughout Jessie and Stretch, I have been running Debian without
> systemd as the init system. If systemd became installed by accident, I
> promptly removed it in favor of sysvinit.
So did I. Started with a clean, netistall, terminal only S
On Sun, 2018-10-14 at 18:19 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 04:57:49PM +0100, Tixy wrote:
> > On Sun, 2018-10-14 at 10:23 -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > > Throughout Jessie and Stretch, I have been running Debian without
> > > systemd as the init system. If systemd became ins
On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 06:09:12PM +0200, john doe wrote:
> On 10/14/2018 4:23 PM, Dan Ritter wrote:
> >
> > Throughout Jessie and Stretch, I have been running Debian without
> > systemd as the init system. If systemd became installed by accident, I
> > promptly removed it in favor of sysvinit.
>
On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 04:57:49PM +0100, Tixy wrote:
> On Sun, 2018-10-14 at 10:23 -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > Throughout Jessie and Stretch, I have been running Debian without
> > systemd as the init system. If systemd became installed by accident,
> > I
> > promptly removed it in favor of sysvi
On 10/14/2018 4:23 PM, Dan Ritter wrote:
>
> Throughout Jessie and Stretch, I have been running Debian without
> systemd as the init system. If systemd became installed by accident, I
> promptly removed it in favor of sysvinit.
>
If I understand correctly, on a fresh install of Debian systemd is
On Sun, 2018-10-14 at 10:23 -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
> Throughout Jessie and Stretch, I have been running Debian without
> systemd as the init system. If systemd became installed by accident,
> I
> promptly removed it in favor of sysvinit.
>
> I have done so on six desktops, two laptops, and a lar
On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 10:23:15AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
>
> Throughout Jessie and Stretch, I have been running Debian without
> systemd as the init system. If systemd became installed by accident, I
> promptly removed it in favor of sysvinit.
>
> I have done so on six desktops, two laptops, a
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