On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 02:38:40PM +, Curt wrote:
> On 2013-10-14, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org
> wrote:
> >
> > Now that you say it, it's obvious.
> > I was simply thinking that HTML was the source of the problem, because
> > I only noticed such problems with HTML mails. Was a stupid reaso
On 2013-10-14, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org
wrote:
>
> Now that you say it, it's obvious.
> I was simply thinking that HTML was the source of the problem, because
> I only noticed such problems with HTML mails. Was a stupid reasoning.
>
I can see how one might think that the noobs who use html
Le 14.10.2013 15:29, Ralf Mardorf a écrit :
On Mon, 2013-10-14 at 15:21 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org
wrote:
Or simply do not use HTML.
Endless line, for Evolution available by selecting "Preformatted":
This has nothing to do with HTML, I can format my emails using plain
text too, HTM
On Mon, 2013-10-14 at 15:21 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
> Or simply do not use HTML.
Endless line, for Evolution available by selecting "Preformatted":
This has nothing to do with HTML, I can format my emails using plain text too,
HTML is completely unneeded to do this.
Automatic
Le 13.10.2013 23:23, Bob Proulx a écrit :
Mark Allums wrote:
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> I don't nag about endless lines,
> ...
> It's not the end of the world, but unfavourable when you argument
about
> not running into issues with your computer, while causing issues
for the
> list, when you're
On Mon, 2013-10-14 at 09:59 +0200, Helmut Wollmersdorfer wrote:
> Just for interest: Why does it damage the drives?
GVFS does wake up sleeping drives without reason, this does cause a high
amount of spin ups and spin downs. Most drives die regarding to the spin
ups, also without GVFS. Really, if a
Am 11.10.2013 um 21:19 schrieb Ralf Mardorf :
> On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 20:44:11 +0200, Tom H wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Ralf Mardorf
>> wrote:
>>
>
>>> GVFS is absolutely optional software.
>>
>> You only ever consider things from your limited use-case
>
> No.
>
>> Simply bec
On Sun, 2013-10-13 at 15:23 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote:
> If you want your text to be word wrapped by the reader then the sender
> is obliged to set format=flowed. Outlook has long been wrongly
> sending long lined messages without using that setting. But it is
> wrong.
Exactly! It would be idiotic
Mark Allums wrote:
> Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > I don't nag about endless lines,
> > ...
> > It's not the end of the world, but unfavourable when you argument about
> > not running into issues with your computer, while causing issues for the
> > list, when you're using Windows,
> > ...
> > IOW you mi
On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 04:48:12PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> >
> > This has nothing to do with Windows. You need to set your MUA to use word
> > wrap. Stop bitching about Windows and fix your MUA.
Umm no. The above is what *YOU* sent!
> "Official" "third party" repository :D.
> Your MUA is
On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 09:08 -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
> > I don't nag about endless lines,
>
> > It's not the end of the world, but unfavourable when you argument about
> > not running into issues with your computer, while causing issues for the
> > list, when you're using Windows,
>
> > IOW you
On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 14:05 +0100, Sharon Kimble wrote:
> http://http.debian.net/debian/pool/main/g/gobby-infinote/gobby-0.5_0.4.94-5.1_i386.deb
> 403 Forbidden'
Try
http://debian.netcologne.de/debian/pool/main/g/gobby-infinote/gobby-0.5_0.4.94-5.1_i386.deb
instead [1].
Regards,
Ralf
PS: [2]
On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 14:05 +0100, Sharon Kimble wrote:
> http://http.debian.net/debian/pool/main/g/gobby-infinote/gobby-0.5_0.4.94-5.1_i386.deb
> 403 Forbidden'
Try
http://debian.netcologne.de/debian/pool/main/g/gobby-infinote/gobby-0.5_0.4.94-5.1_i386.deb
instead [1].
Regards,
Ralf
PS: [2]
Le 12.10.2013 15:42, Mark Allums a écrit :
I might could change the typos in docs to become different typos in
different places. I can't develop for MATE, it's not part of my
skill
set. I will encourage other people to get involved, that much, I can
do.
Package maintenance is not really a
> On Saturday 12 October 2013 14:42:31 Mark Allums wrote:
> > I loved KDE 3.
>
> Have you looked at Trinity? It is a fork of KDE3 as MATE is a fork of
> Gnome2.
> http://www.trinitydesktop.org/
>
> Lisi
Thanks. I will check it out.
Mark
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> I don't nag about endless lines,
> It's not the end of the world, but unfavourable when you argument about
> not running into issues with your computer, while causing issues for the
> list, when you're using Windows,
> IOW you might not experience issues with your computer, with Mate and/or
>
On Saturday 12 October 2013 14:42:31 Mark Allums wrote:
> I loved KDE 3.
Have you looked at Trinity? It is a fork of KDE3 as MATE is a fork of
Gnome2.
http://www.trinitydesktop.org/
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> > The point of mentioning MATE was in context with adding MATE to
> > Debian. Our point was, there are only minor problems with that
> > happening, and they should be solvable fairly easily within a short
> > period of time
>
> > (i.e., in the time between releases of Stable).
>
> This problem
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 12:52:17 -0500
"Mark Allums" wrote:
> > On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 11:34 -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
> > > The dialogs from Gnome 3 (zenity) serves, so mate-dialogs-gnome
> > > isn't needed if zenity is installed (and mate-dialogs-gnome can
> > > serve in place for zenity as well).
>
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 8:09 PM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
> On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 18:43 -0400, Tom H wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Ralf Mardorf
>> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 19:42:44 +0200, Tom H wrote:
MATE can be installed alongside other DEs on Fedora so I'm not at all
>
Le 12.10.2013 14:04, Mark Allums a écrit :
I'm not nagging about you. My concern is to nag about recommending a
third party repository, that is known to cause issues. If the OP
does
like Cinnamon, then IMO the OP should use the official packages to
ensure that it's as stable as possible and not
On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 07:04 -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
> > Regarding to the OPs request I guess that there's a reason that Debian
> > maintainers didn't upgrade to Cinnamon 2.0 yet. It's easy to build
> > packages that run on your or my machine, but a maintainer needs to
> > ensure that things don't
On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 05:57 -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
> But don't disparage others who use it. That's just bigoted.
I never did that!
Does Debian recommend to use third party repositories?
Mate isn't ready yet to be used without issues, it someday might be
included to the official repositories.
> IOW you might not experience issues with your computer, with Mate and/or
> Windows, but you at least cause issues when using Windows. Those issues
> aren't very serious, but you can't speak about your experiences, that
> everything is ok, while it's not ok.
I certainly can speak about it. I us
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 6:55 PM, wrote:
> Le 12.10.2013 00:46, Tom H a écrit :
>>
>> Did you notice the "could've"?
>
> Ermm... no, sorry :) did not noticed :/
Pas de soucis! :)
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Hi Mark,
On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 05:13 -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
> > Mark, when you use your Outlook 15.0, please take care not to sent
> > duplicated mails. Perhaps you should use a MUA for Mate, instead of
> > using MS Windows.
>
>
> Don't bitch about Outlook. I will continue to use it, never m
> On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 01:43 -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
> > > >> Not really, you at least need to manually add a link, regarding
> > > >> to the different program names.
> > > >
> > > > I never did, and never had to. It works fine.
> > >
> > > Just because you're using software that doesn't use th
> Mark, when you use your Outlook 15.0, please take care not to sent
> duplicated mails. Perhaps you should use a MUA for Mate, instead of
> using MS Windows.
Don't bitch about Outlook. I will continue to use it, never mind why. Windows
is not evil. The mistake was mine, Outlook is not to bla
Mark, when you use your Outlook 15.0, please take care not to sent
duplicated mails. Perhaps you should use a MUA for Mate, instead of
using MS Windows.
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On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 01:43 -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
> > >> Not really, you at least need to manually add a link, regarding
> > >> to the different program names.
> > >
> > > I never did, and never had to. It works fine.
> >
> > Just because you're using software that doesn't use this software
>
> https://github.com/mate-desktop/debian-packages
>-->
> https://github.com/mate-desktop/debian-packages/tree/master/mate-file-
> archiver
These are irrelevant. mate-file-archiver does not exist anymore, and engrampa
is optional.
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> https://github.com/mate-desktop/archlinux-packages
>From the linked page: mate-file-archiver: Removed any packages from the
>'depends' that are pulled in via gtk2. 24 days ago
Looks to me like they fixed the conflict in Arch. You have no leg to stand on
with this one. Also, that's Arch.
> >> Not really, you at least need to manually add a link, regarding to the
> >> different program names.
> >
> > I never did, and never had to. It works fine.
>
> Just because you're using software that doesn't use this software as a
> dependency.
I don't know what you are talking about.
> >>
On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 19:19 -0400, Tom H wrote:
> Do you really think that the intention of the GNOME developers when
> they designed gvfs was to create software that damages drives?!
I never claimed this, but nowadays the software does kill drives, today
it's outdated. Some DEs don't use GVFS and
On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 18:43 -0400, Tom H wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Ralf Mardorf
> wrote:
> > On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 19:42:44 +0200, Tom H wrote:
> >>
> >> MATE can be installed alongside other DEs on Fedora so I'm not at all
> >> convinced by this MATE-conflicts-with-"common-software
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 20:44:11 +0200, Tom H wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Ralf Mardorf
>> wrote:
Have you considered NAS?
>>>
>>> No way!
>>
>> What's wrong with NAS to elicit such a rejection?
>
> Money.
Wouldn't that h
Le 12.10.2013 00:46, Tom H a écrit :
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 3:14 PM,
wrote:
Le 11.10.2013 20:44, Tom H a écrit :
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
You've also complained in this thread and previously about
compliance
with green drives. I could've replied: "I only ev
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 3:14 PM, wrote:
> Le 11.10.2013 20:44, Tom H a écrit :
>> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Ralf Mardorf
>> wrote:
>>
>> You've also complained in this thread and previously about compliance
>> with green drives. I could've replied: "I only ever connect an
>> external dri
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 19:42:44 +0200, Tom H wrote:
>>
>> MATE can be installed alongside other DEs on Fedora so I'm not at all
>> convinced by this MATE-conflicts-with-"common-software" meme!
>> Soneone said upthread that MATE uses GTK2. AFAIK
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 20:44:11 +0200, Tom H wrote:
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
Have you considered NAS?
No way!
What's wrong with NAS to elicit such a rejection?
Money.
GVFS is absolutely optional software.
You only ever consider things from your limited use
Le 11.10.2013 20:44, Tom H a écrit :
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
Have you considered NAS?
No way!
What's wrong with NAS to elicit such a rejection?
GVFS is absolutely optional software.
You only ever consider things from your limited use-case but upstream
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 19:42:44 +0200, Tom H wrote:
MATE can be installed alongside other DEs on Fedora so I'm not at all
convinced by this MATE-conflicts-with-"common-software" meme!
Soneone said upthread that MATE uses GTK2. AFAIK it's being
transitioned to GTK3 so it'll then be less of a burden
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
>> Have you considered NAS?
>
> No way!
What's wrong with NAS to elicit such a rejection?
> GVFS is absolutely optional software.
You only ever consider things from your limited use-case but upstream
developers and distribution maintainer
Mark Allums:
>
> Upthread, another poster commented that it wouldn't ever be accepted
> into Debian. This may be true, but not for the reasons given. The
> MATE dev team are eliminating code duplication. They have gotten rid
> of Bonobo. They are porting it to GTK 3. The dev tools for it are
Le 11.10.2013 19:43, Alex Moonshine a écrit :
> > On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 16:50:01 +0200
> > Ralf Mardorf wrote:
I'm speaking about upstream and here is one conflict:
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ sudo pacman -S mate-file-archiver
resolving dependencies...
looking for inter-conflicts...
:: mate-file
Le 11.10.2013 19:42, Tom H a écrit :
AIUI, MATE is a redo of GNOME 2 using GTK2 and Cinnamon a redo of
GNOME 2 using GTK3. Will they merge at some point? Or have their
interpretation and evolution of the GNOME 2 UI diverged enough for
them to keep on co-existing?
AFAIK, they are fork of diffe
> On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 11:34 -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
> > The dialogs from Gnome 3 (zenity) serves, so mate-dialogs-gnome isn't
> > needed if zenity is installed (and mate-dialogs-gnome can serve in
> > place for zenity as well).
>
> Not really, you at least need to manually add a link, regardin
> > > On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 16:50:01 +0200
> > > Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> I'm speaking about upstream and here is one conflict:
>
> [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ sudo pacman -S mate-file-archiver
> resolving dependencies...
> looking for inter-conflicts...
> :: mate-file-archiver and file-roller are in c
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
> On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 16:47 +0300, Alex Moonshine wrote:
>>
>> I'm using MATE right now and it's good, but from the perspective
>> viewpoint, I'd stick with XFCE.
>
> MATE from upstream does conflict with other software. This isn't good,
> it
On 11/10/13 12:49 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 12:22 -0400, Frank McCormick wrote:
I am running Mate on Jessie...and have had no problems. However
judging by appearances only, Cinnamon is slicker-looking ( I run
Cinnamon and Mate on Fedora 19).
Kernel version? Graphics and it'
On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 11:34 -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
> The dialogs from Gnome 3 (zenity) serves, so mate-dialogs-gnome isn't
> needed if zenity is installed (and mate-dialogs-gnome can serve in
> place for zenity as well).
Not really, you at least need to manually add a link, regarding to the
dif
On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 12:22 -0400, Frank McCormick wrote:
> I am running Mate on Jessie...and have had no problems. However
> judging by appearances only, Cinnamon is slicker-looking ( I run
> Cinnamon and Mate on Fedora 19).
Kernel version? Graphics and it's driver? Keep in mind that we all hav
On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 11:22 -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
> > On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 10:24 -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
> > > As far as gvfs goes, it's harmless. Why be upset over it
> > > installation?
> >
> > External hard disc drives that fulfill the EU Regulation, that they have
> > to sleep after a
> >> MATE from upstream does conflict with other software. This isn't good,
> >> it's the most worse I can imagine and likely the reason that distros
> >> aren't interested to add it to official repositories. MATE is the only
> >> software I know available for Linux, that does conflict with common
On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 11:05 -0500, Conrad Nelson wrote:
> On 10/11/2013 09:57 AM, Jack Malmostoso wrote:
> > On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 16:50:01 +0200
> > Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> >
> >> MATE from upstream does conflict with other software. This isn't good,
> >> it's the most worse I can imagine and likely
On 11/10/13 12:05 PM, Conrad Nelson wrote:
On 10/11/2013 09:57 AM, Jack Malmostoso wrote:
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 16:50:01 +0200
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
MATE from upstream does conflict with other software. This isn't good,
it's the most worse I can imagine and likely the reason that distros
aren't i
> On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 10:24 -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
> > As far as gvfs goes, it's harmless. Why be upset over it
> > installation?
>
> External hard disc drives that fulfill the EU Regulation, that they have
> to sleep after a while, will be waked up by GVFS again and again. This
> will kill
On 10/11/2013 09:57 AM, Jack Malmostoso wrote:
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 16:50:01 +0200
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
MATE from upstream does conflict with other software. This isn't good,
it's the most worse I can imagine and likely the reason that distros
aren't interested to add it to official repositories
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 16:50:01 +0200
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> MATE from upstream does conflict with other software. This isn't good,
> it's the most worse I can imagine and likely the reason that distros
> aren't interested to add it to official repositories. MATE is the only
> software I know availab
On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 10:24 -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
> As far as gvfs goes, it's harmless. Why be upset over it
> installation?
External hard disc drives that fulfill the EU Regulation, that they have
to sleep after a while, will be waked up by GVFS again and again. This
will kill those "green"
Off-topic
On 11.10.2013 17:41, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
MATE from upstream does conflict with other software. This isn't good,
it's the most worse I can imagine and likely the reason that distros
aren't interested to add it to official repositories. MATE is the only
software I know available for Linu
> MATE from upstream does conflict with other software. This isn't good,
> it's the most worse I can imagine and likely the reason that distros
> aren't interested to add it to official repositories. MATE is the only
> software I know available for Linux, that does conflict with common
> software.
Half off-topic.
On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 16:47 +0300, Alex Moonshine wrote:
> I'm using MATE right now and it's good, but from the perspective
> viewpoint, I'd stick with XFCE.
MATE from upstream does conflict with other software. This isn't good,
it's the most worse I can imagine and likely the rea
Still, when I was looking for something that feels like Gnome2, I was
dissatisfied with my short Cinnamon experience. Too slow and bloated,
doesn't resemble G2 much in fact.
I'm using MATE right now and it's good, but from the perspective
viewpoint, I'd stick with XFCE.
On 11.10.2013 16:36, Joche
On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 18:50 +0600, MUH Jeeshan wrote:
> I want to know how can I install latest Cinnamon build, Cinnamon 2.0 in
> Debian?
By building the packages on your own. IOW you need to compile it on your
own and take care about the dependencies from upstream. For Arch the
update to 2.0.2 i
Jonathan Dowland:
> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 09:24:36PM +0800, 陶治江 wrote:
>> Why cinnamon?
>> Try MATE, I think it is better.
>> I have test cinnamon before, too much slower than MATE.
>
> Cinnamon is in Debian officially, MATE is not. Yet, at least.
And it will most probably never be. Mate needs
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 09:24:36PM +0800, 陶治江 wrote:
> Why cinnamon?
> Try MATE, I think it is better.
> I have test cinnamon before, too much slower than MATE.
Cinnamon is in Debian officially, MATE is not. Yet, at least.
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于 2013-10-11 21:19, Jochen Spieker 写道:
MUH Jeeshan:
I want to know how can I install latest Cinnamon build, Cinnamon 2.0
in Debian?
Wait for it to be uploaded to the archive and have it trickle down to
the Debian flavour you are using.
If you are using stable with no backports, that might take
MUH Jeeshan:
>
> I want to know how can I install latest Cinnamon build, Cinnamon 2.0
> in Debian?
Wait for it to be uploaded to the archive and have it trickle down to
the Debian flavour you are using.
If you are using stable with no backports, that might take a few months
or even more than a ye
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