Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

On 15/4/25 22:19, Richard Owlett wrote: I don't know how to approach the problem. What I would like to end up with is a CSV formatted file containing the two left columns of Table A4.14 (pages 106&107) of [ https://fns-prod.azureedge.us/sites/default/files/resource-files/TFP2021.pdf ]. Sug

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

On 4/17/25 10:09 PM, jeremy ardley wrote: On 15/4/25 22:19, Richard Owlett wrote: I don't know how to approach the problem. What I would like to end up with is a CSV formatted file containing the two left columns of Table A4.14 (pages 106&107) of [ https://fns-prod.azureedge.us/sites/default/

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

On 4/17/25 9:45 PM, David Wright wrote: On Thu 17 Apr 2025 at 14:24:35 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: On 4/16/25 8:35 AM, David Wright wrote: Ironically, a copy/paste from xpdf seems to do a better job than -layout at preserving the columns widths over the page break. (Perhaps the text at the b

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

On 18/4/25 15:43, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: I see my colleagues now writing programs with LLMs. I don't look forward to the day I'll have to debug a larger corpus of this mess. Obviously you've never had to herd junior developers. I have had to. It sucks and productivity is woeful due to all

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

On Fri, Apr 18, 2025 at 01:35:19PM +0800, jeremy ardley wrote: > > On 18/4/25 13:10, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > I'm not sure if it is mentioned but just take a picture of each page and > > > ask > > > a good Large Language Model to give you a table. > > After this, I'd double-check each indivi

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

On 18/4/25 13:35, jeremy ardley wrote: Another strategy is to use two models and compare the outputs or use the same model in two sessions. I tried the two model approach and compared perplexity with Claude Sonnet and asked Claude Sonnet to check the results. *Query* I have checked you

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

On 18/4/25 13:10, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: I'm not sure if it is mentioned but just take a picture of each page and ask a good Large Language Model to give you a table. After this, I'd double-check each individual number. You'll never know if they are being made up, otherwise. I've been doin

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

On Fri, Apr 18, 2025 at 11:09:52AM +0800, jeremy ardley wrote: [...] > I'm not sure if it is mentioned but just take a picture of each page and ask > a good Large Language Model to give you a table. After this, I'd double-check each individual number. You'll never know if they are being made up,

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

On Thu 17 Apr 2025 at 14:24:35 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: > On 4/16/25 8:35 AM, David Wright wrote: > > Ironically, a copy/paste from xpdf seems to do a better job > > than -layout at preserving the columns widths over the page break. > > (Perhaps the text at the bottom of the second page messe

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

On 4/17/25 21:24, Richard Owlett wrote: Selected text can be copied to the clipboard (with the edit/copy menu item). On X11, selected text will be available in the X selection buffer. Where is a Toolbar with a sidebar button? I've never seen such a "sidebar button". However, on the left ma

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

On 4/16/25 8:35 AM, David Wright wrote: On Wed 16 Apr 2025 at 07:21:07 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: On 4/15/25 11:01 AM, Kent West wrote: On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 10:32 AM Nicolas George wrote: Richard Owlett (HE12025-04-15): I don't know how to approach the problem. What I would like to end

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

On Wed 16 Apr 2025 at 07:21:07 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: > On 4/15/25 11:01 AM, Kent West wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 10:32 AM Nicolas George wrote: > > > Richard Owlett (HE12025-04-15): > > > > I don't know how to approach the problem. > > > > What I would like to end up with is a CSV

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

On 4/16/25 7:21 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: On 4/15/25 11:01 AM, Kent West wrote: $ pdftotext -f 106 -l 107 TFP2021.pdf TFP2021.txt As I replied to Nicolas I'll try both that and also a run with the "-layout" option. I typed the wrong line here (I should have copied/pasted); it should be:

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

On 4/15/25 12:56 PM, David Christensen wrote: On 4/15/25 07:19, Richard Owlett wrote: I don't know how to approach the problem. What I would like to end up with is a CSV formatted file containing the two left columns of Table A4.14 (pages 106&107) of [ https://fns-prod.azureedge.us/sites/defaul

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

On 4/15/25 11:01 AM, Kent West wrote: On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 10:32 AM Nicolas George wrote: Richard Owlett (HE12025-04-15): I don't know how to approach the problem. What I would like to end up with is a CSV formatted file containing the two left columns of Table A4.14 (pages 106&107) of [

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

On 4/15/25 10:31 AM, Nicolas George wrote: Richard Owlett (HE12025-04-15): I don't know how to approach the problem. What I would like to end up with is a CSV formatted file containing the two left columns of Table A4.14 (pages 106&107) of [ https://fns-prod.azureedge.us/sites/default/files/reso

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

On 4/15/25 07:19, Richard Owlett wrote: I don't know how to approach the problem. What I would like to end up with is a CSV formatted file containing the two left columns of Table A4.14 (pages 106&107) of [ https://fns-prod.azureedge.us/sites/default/files/resource-files/ TFP2021.pdf ]. Sugge

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

Richard Owlett (HE12025-04-15): > I don't know how to approach the problem. > What I would like to end up with is a CSV formatted file containing the two > left columns of Table A4.14 (pages 106&107) of > [ > https://fns-prod.azureedge.us/sites/default/files/resource-files/TFP2021.pdf > ]. > > Sug

Re: How to extract TABULAR data from a PDF document?

On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 10:32 AM Nicolas George wrote: > Richard Owlett (HE12025-04-15): > > I don't know how to approach the problem. > > What I would like to end up with is a CSV formatted file containing the > two > > left columns of Table A4.14 (pages 106&107) of > > [ > > > https://fns-prod.

Re: how to remove debian in bios menu

On 4/7/25 10:58, Max Nikulin wrote: On 07/04/2025 10:36, hlyg wrote: in bios Setup, i can choose "Legacy" for mbr disks or "UEFI" for gpt disks if i press F12 during boot, options are shown, i can boot both mbr and gpt disks It seems you have solved your issue (using BIOS menu), so feel f

Re: how to remove debian in bios menu

On 07/04/2025 10:36, hlyg wrote: in bios Setup, i can choose "Legacy" for mbr disks or "UEFI" for gpt disks if i press F12 during boot, options are shown, i can boot both mbr and gpt disks It seems you have solved your issue (using BIOS menu), so feel free to ignore my question. It is pure c

Re: how to remove debian in bios menu

to Max Nikulin: perhaps my optiplex is quite old, it hasn't uefi compatibility mode though i have installed latest version in bios Setup, i can choose "Legacy" for mbr disks or "UEFI" for gpt disks if i press F12 during boot, options are shown, i can boot both mbr and gpt disks

Re: how to remove debian in bios menu

On 05/04/2025 21:54, hlyg wrote: i press F12 during Dell boot, a list of options show under section "UEFI BOOT:" there are 2 items: FreeBSD and debian but all 3 disks installed use mbr, no wonder they don't work [...] how to remove them? I am curious which way you boot Debian if UEFI entry does

Re: how to remove debian in bios menu

On Sat, Apr 5, 2025 at 6:02 AM hlyg wrote: > > i press F12 during Dell boot, a list of options show > > under section "UEFI BOOT:" there are 2 items: FreeBSD and debian > > but all 3 disks installed use mbr, no wonder they don't work > > most probably they are resulted from previous installation o

Re: how to remove debian in bios menu

On 2025-04-05, Hans wrote: > Maybe for someione interesting: As I also have Windows on my drive, there is > an entry for Windows. I deleted this, because then I only have the entry > "debian". And this is tarting grub, which got an entry for Windows. > Dunno, if this is a good way, but it is w

Re: how to remove debian in bios menu

Thank Hans! it is really Dell issue. i follow your instruction, it works.

Re: how to remove debian in bios menu

Am Samstag, 5. April 2025, 16:54:24 CEST schrieb hlyg: > i press F12 during Dell boot, a list of options show > > under section "UEFI BOOT:" there are 2 items: FreeBSD and debian > > but all 3 disks installed use mbr, no wonder they don't work > > most probably they are resulted from previous in

Re: How do I submit a game to a distribution?

Hi, Thanks. The Copyright is now in effect. I am releasing the game ( JASAG ) under the gpl3 license (if anyone is interested). I put the game ( JASAG ) on itch.io today (with a short description and some screenshots), Included are all required modules, files, source as well as the install s

Re: How do I do...

On 3/28/25 11:49, COMCAST wrote: I have a working install of 12.90. But am experiencing a minor hiccup. Please open a terminal, run the following command, and copy and paste the entire console session into a reply -- prompt, command entered, output displayed: 2025-03-28 12:16:06 dpchrist@la

Re: how do you find installed bloatware to apt purge?

2025-03-06[Thu]15:23 🦓 read that 2025-03-06[Thu]08:38 Geoff wrote You can use dpigs from debian-goodies package: debian-goodies' dpigs does a great job: debian)czyborra@localhost:~$ dpigs -H 142.3M libgl1-mesa-dri 79.3M libpython3.7-dev 65.2M emacs-common 57.7M libllvm7 43.1M guile-2.

Re: how do you find installed bloatware to apt purge?

Greg Wooledge writes: > Why are you assuming that the space you want can be freed by removing > packages? > > For the vast majority of people, if disk space is running low, it's > because *data* files are piling up, and may be in need of some trimming. Pro tip: running "sudo apt clean" often fre

Re: How to associate a file extension with preferred executable

Richard Owlett wrote: > On 3/8/25 8:07 AM, Miriami wrote: > > Hi Richard, > > > > I haven't used the MATE desktop environment, but I guess it also > > has this: 1. Right click on a PDF file, in the pop-up right-click > > menu, chooss 'open this file with ...' 2. In the then-popped-up > > dialog a

Re: How to associate a file extension with preferred executable

On 08/03/2025 21:30, Marco Moock wrote: xdg-mime query default application/pdf Just a word of caution. It does not necessary mean that applications or xdg-open will use the reported handler. E.g. in corner cases Gtk and KDE interprets mimeapps.list in a bit different way. exo-open (that i

Re: TEMORARY workaround - was [Re: How to associate a file extension with preferred executable]

On 09/03/2025 01:21, Richard Owlett wrote: I do not believe using xdg-mime is a *legitimate" technique in this instance. It wasn't used to *cause* the problem. It *shouldn't* be used to supposedly "solve" the problem. A wrong assumption. On 08/03/2025 23:27, Richard Owlett wrote: Before toda

Re: How to associate a file extension with preferred executable

On 09/03/2025 04:55, Mike Kupfer wrote: I don't have any ideas for how you ended up with a different PDF viewer. Behavior varies across various DE. It may be enough to just install another application that may open PDF files. If media type association is not explicitly configured then it is i

SUCCESS!!! - was [Re: How to associate a file extension with preferred executable]

On 3/8/25 3:55 PM, Mike Kupfer wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: My system is Debian 12.8 with MATE 1.26.0 It used to be that clicking on a PDF opened it with Atril. I can suggest a couple things to try, either of which should get you back to using Atril. 1. Open the MATE Control Center, click o

Re: How to associate a file extension with preferred executable

On 08.03.2025 17:30 Uhr Richard Owlett wrote: > Before today I never heard of anything beginning with "xdg". Now you have heard about it, so use it. > I'm looking for the specific MATE tool. ;} I think that is maybe handled by the file manager. Which one do you use? -- kind regards Marco Sen

TEMORARY workaround - was [Re: How to associate a file extension with preferred executable]

do *NOT* try solution described below *UNLESS* unless you know how to recover. On 3/8/25 7:41 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: My system is Debian 12.8 with MATE 1.26.0 It used to be that clicking on a PDF opened it with Atril. I don't know what *I DID*, but it now opens with L3afpad.

Re: How to associate a file extension with preferred executable

Richard Owlett wrote: > My system is Debian 12.8 with MATE 1.26.0 > > It used to be that clicking on a PDF opened it with Atril. I can suggest a couple things to try, either of which should get you back to using Atril. 1. Open the MATE Control Center, click on "Preferred Applications" (in the "

Re: TEMORARY workaround - was [Re: How to associate a file extension with preferred executable]

Hi, On Sat, Mar 08, 2025 at 12:21:43PM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > I do not believe using xdg-mime is a *legitimate" technique in this > instance. It wasn't used to *cause* the problem. It *shouldn't* be used to > supposedly "solve" the problem. You don't know that. As Marco already explained,

Re: How to associate a file extension with preferred executable

On 3/8/25 8:07 AM, Miriami wrote: Hi Richard, I haven't used the MATE desktop environment, but I guess it also has this: 1. Right click on a PDF file, in the pop-up right-click menu, chooss 'open this file with ...' 2. In the then-popped-up dialog asking which program to be used to open this P

Re: How to associate a file extension with preferred executable

On 3/8/25 8:52 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Sat, Mar 08, 2025 at 07:41:37AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: My system is Debian 12.8 with MATE 1.26.0 It used to be that clicking on a PDF opened it with Atril. I don't know what *I DID*, but it now opens with L3afpad. I assumed that Edit Preferen

Re: How to associate a file extension with preferred executable

Hi Richard, I haven't used the MATE desktop environment, but I guess it also has this: 1. Right click on a PDF file, in the pop-up right-click menu, chooss 'open this file with ...' 2. In the then-popped-up dialog asking which program to be used to open this PDF file, select the program desired,

Re: How to associate a file extension with preferred executable

On 3/8/25 8:30 AM, Marco Moock wrote: On 08.03.2025 14:50 Uhr Richard Owlett wrote: It used to be that clicking on a PDF opened it with Atril. I don't know what *I DID*, but it now opens with L3afpad. I assumed that Edit Preferences was the place to go. But under Browser->Helper Applications i

Re: How to associate a file extension with preferred executable

On 3/8/25 7:55 AM, poc...@homemail.com wrote: Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2025 at 8:41 AM From: "Richard Owlett" To: "debian-user" Subject: How to associate a file extension with preferred executable My system is Debian 12.8 with MATE 1.26.0 It used to be that clicking on a PDF opened it wit

Re: How to associate a file extension with preferred executable

On Sat, Mar 08, 2025 at 07:41:37AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > My system is Debian 12.8 with MATE 1.26.0 > > It used to be that clicking on a PDF opened it with Atril. > I don't know what *I DID*, but it now opens with L3afpad. > > I assumed that Edit Preferences was the place to go. > But und

Re: how do you find installed bloatware to apt purge?

On Fri, Mar 07, 2025 at 23:26:55 +0100, 🦓 wrote: > 2025-03-07[Fri]23:14 🦓 read that > 2025-03-07[Fri]07:21 Greg Wooledge wrote > > That's conceptually similar to the little program that I wrote, which > > you can get from . It's in perl. > > Wow! Looks backward comp

Re: how do you find installed bloatware to apt purge?

2025-03-07[Fri]23:27 🦓 read that 2025-03-07[Fri]10:20 Jonathan Dowland wrote I favour "duc" (as opposed to, e.g. ncdu) duc index / duc ui / There are several duc browsers: ui is an ncurses-style TUI; there's also CLI, GUI and web-based ones. The GUI and web-based ones use a nice

Re: how do you find installed bloatware to apt purge?

2025-03-07[Fri]23:14 🦓 read that 2025-03-07[Fri]07:21 Greg Wooledge wrote That's conceptually similar to the little program that I wrote, which you can get from . It's in perl. Wow! Looks backward compatible with perl4.036 - what do i need to write to make ds i

Re: how do you find installed bloatware to apt purge?

Runamile Czyborra wrote: > my df -hl / is at 8.7G/11G=89% after sudo apt update && sudo apt install > python3 pip && sudu pip3 install vosk in my crouton and what do you use > to ergonomically present installed candidates to apt purge a few gigabytes? i run apt-get autoclean once in a while af

Re: how do you find installed bloatware to apt purge?

On Fri, Mar 07, 2025 at 10:20:30 +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > For Debian packages specifically, you can use dpigs from the debian-goodies > package. I wrote an alternative for situations where I don't want to install > debian-goodies and its transitive dependencies: > > awk -v RS='' '/St

Re: how do you find installed bloatware to apt purge?

On Wed Mar 5, 2025 at 2:22 PM GMT, Runamile Czyborra wrote: my df -hl / is at 8.7G/11G=89% after sudo apt update && sudo apt install python3 pip && sudu pip3 install vosk in my crouton and what do you use to ergonomically present installed candidates to apt purge a few gigabytes? I favour "duc

Re: how do you find installed bloatware to apt purge?

On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 at 15:46, Henrik Ahlgren wrote: > > Pro tip: running "sudo apt clean" often frees up significant disk space > (relatively, in machines with tiny storage capacity) by removing all > cached package files from /var/cache/apt/archives. Hi, another pro-tip: While 'apt-get' does keep

Re: how do you find installed bloatware to apt purge?

On Thu, Mar 06, 2025 at 09:59:47 -0500, Eben King wrote: > Yeah. Many of the packages in deborphan's output are things I actually > want to keep, and I think that that if you remove something, all of its > requirements are still installed. Unless there's a smart package > manager that goes throug

Re: how do you find installed bloatware to apt purge?

On 3/6/25 00:21, David Wright wrote: On Wed 05 Mar 2025 at 17:04:12 (-0500), Eben King wrote: On 3/5/25 09:22, Runamile Czyborra wrote: my df -hl / is at 8.7G/11G=89% after sudo apt update && sudo apt install python3 pip && sudu pip3 install vosk in my crouton and what do you use to ergonomi

Re: how do you find installed bloatware to apt purge?

On Thu, Mar 06, 2025 at 15:21:32 +0100, 🦓 wrote: > what would i want to sudo aptitude purge here to free 1 gig? Why are you assuming that the space you want can be freed by removing packages? For the vast majority of people, if disk space is running low, it's because *data* files are piling up, a

Re: how do you find installed bloatware to apt purge?

about deborphan am i havin da same sentiment plus hard time tryna interpret da deborphan decimals due 2 my insufficient rtfm of manpages.debian.org/bookworm/deborphan/deborphan.1.en.html (debian)czyborra@localhost:~$ sudo aptitude install deborphan […] Unpacking dialog (1.3-20190211-1) ... Set

Re: how do you find installed bloatware to apt purge?

On Wed 05 Mar 2025 at 17:04:12 (-0500), Eben King wrote: > On 3/5/25 09:22, Runamile Czyborra wrote: > > my df -hl / is at 8.7G/11G=89% after sudo apt update && sudo apt install > > python3 pip && sudu pip3 install vosk in my crouton and what do you use > > to ergonomically present installed candid

Re: how do you find installed bloatware to apt purge?

🦓 wrote: sudo aptitude purge libqt5webengine5 blackmailed me to purge qutebrowser now. sudo aptitude purge libllvm7 demands i pure ffmpeg links2 xorg. sudo aptitude search l10n local | grep ^i finds no localedef. sudo aptitude purge liblocale-gettext-perl also purges console-setup debconf-i18n t

Re: how do you find installed bloatware to apt purge?

On 3/5/25 09:22, Runamile Czyborra wrote: my df -hl / is at 8.7G/11G=89% after sudo apt update && sudo apt install python3 pip && sudu pip3 install vosk in my crouton and what do you use to ergonomically present installed candidates to apt purge a few gigabytes? deborphan --show-section --sh

Re: how do you find installed bloatware to apt purge?

sudo aptitude purge libqt5webengine5 blackmailed me to purge qutebrowser now. sudo aptitude purge libllvm7 demands i pure ffmpeg links2 xorg. sudo aptitude search l10n local | grep ^i finds no localedef. sudo aptitude purge liblocale-gettext-perl also purges console-setup debconf-i18n tasksel xorg.

Re: how do you find installed bloatware to apt purge?

Op wo 5 mrt 2025 om 18:05 schreef 🦓 : > my sudo apt install ncdu cost me 0.000981GB. > Merely 0.981GB alias 98K.

Re: how do you find installed bloatware to apt purge?

ncdu does the trick! thank u all 4 ur answers. 12G vosk bloat won't ever fit into my available 1G on my 11G MMC: (debian)czyborra@localhost:~$ df -hl / Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/mmcblk0p1 11G 8.7G 1.1G 90% / my pip3 install vosk had failed before even starting a

Re: how do you find installed bloatware to apt purge?

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Re: how do you find installed bloatware to apt purge?

On 2025-03-05 07:22, Runamile Czyborra wrote: my df -hl / is at 8.7G/11G=89% after sudo apt update && sudo apt install python3 pip && sudu pip3 install vosk in my crouton and what do you use to ergonomically present installed candidates to apt purge a few gigabytes? Start by running ncdu in y

Re: how do you find installed bloatware to apt purge?

Le 3/5/25 à 15:22, Runamile Czyborra a écrit : my df -hl / is at 8.7G/11G=89% after sudo apt update && sudo apt install python3 pip && sudu pip3 install vosk in my crouton and what do you use to ergonomically present installed candidates to apt purge a few gigabytes? Clearing apt's cache migh

Re: how do you find installed bloatware to apt purge?

On Wed, Mar 05, 2025 at 03:22:15PM +0100, Runamile Czyborra wrote: > my df -hl / is at 8.7G/11G=89% after sudo apt update && sudo apt install > python3 pip && sudu pip3 install vosk in my crouton and what do you use to > ergonomically present installed candidates to apt purge a few gigabytes? Note

Re: how to prevent evolution from archiving mails?

On Fri, 2025-02-07 at 06:51 +0100, hw wrote: > It looks as if I'm never gona find a fix.  Subscribing to the mailing > list doesn't seem to work, either, and I don't like forums. There is #gnome-evolution on IRC also (on irc.libera.chat or irc.gnome.org which points to the former). BTW: mail arc

Re: how to prevent evolution from archiving mails?

On Sat, 2025-02-15 at 08:21 +0100, hw wrote: > On Fri, 2025-02-14 at 14:24 +0300, Andrii Kalashnykov wrote: > > > On Fri, 2025-02-14 at 07:13 +0100, hw wrote: --- 8< -- cut -- 8< --- > > > I tried several times and never got the confirmation messag

Re: how to prevent evolution from archiving mails?

On Fri, 2025-02-14 at 14:24 +0300, Andrii Kalashnykov wrote: > On Fri, 2025-02-14 at 07:13 +0100, hw wrote: > > > On Fri, 2025-02-07 at 17:13 +0300, Andrii Kalashnykov wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 2025-02-07 at 06:51 +0100, hw wrote: > > > > > > > On Thu, 2025-01-30 at 18:21 +0300, Andrii Kalashnyko

Re: how to prevent evolution from archiving mails?

On Fri, 2025-02-14 at 07:13 +0100, hw wrote: > On Fri, 2025-02-07 at 17:13 +0300, Andrii Kalashnykov wrote: > > > On Fri, 2025-02-07 at 06:51 +0100, hw wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 2025-01-30 at 18:21 +0300, Andrii Kalashnykov wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I’ll see if I can make a bug report ... > > > >

Re: how to prevent evolution from archiving mails?

On Fri, 2025-02-07 at 17:13 +0300, Andrii Kalashnykov wrote: > On Fri, 2025-02-07 at 06:51 +0100, hw wrote: > > > On Thu, 2025-01-30 at 18:21 +0300, Andrii Kalashnykov wrote: > > > > > > > > I'll see if I can make a bug report ... > > > > > > > > > > Also, try asking a question on the GNOME proj

Re: How to install a browser (epiphany) without affecting mailcap etc.?

Greg wrote: > On 2025-02-13, Chris Green wrote: > > Max Nikulin wrote: > >> On 13/02/2025 01:26, Greg Wooledge wrote: > >> > Now Debian has*two* completely separate > >> > ways to specify a default application for a role. > >> > >> I believed there are at least 4 ways (besides settings specific

Re: How to install a browser (epiphany) without affecting mailcap etc.?

On 2025-02-13, Chris Green wrote: > Max Nikulin wrote: >> On 13/02/2025 01:26, Greg Wooledge wrote: >> > Now Debian has*two* completely separate >> > ways to specify a default application for a role. >> >> I believed there are at least 4 ways (besides settings specific to >> particular applicat

Re: How to install a browser (epiphany) without affecting mailcap etc.?

On 13/02/2025 09:19, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 08:56:47 +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: - *browser alternatives - BROWSER environment - mailcap for text/html I have realized that I do not have an example of an application that determines https: scheme handler from mailcap (it is

Re: How to install a browser (epiphany) without affecting mailcap etc.?

Max Nikulin wrote: > On 13/02/2025 01:26, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > Now Debian has*two* completely separate > > ways to specify a default application for a role. > > I believed there are at least 4 ways (besides settings specific to > particular applications) > - *browser alternatives > - BROWSER

Re: How to choose which 'printer' to install

On Wed 12 Feb 2025 at 16:40:24 (+), Chris Green wrote: > Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 8:20 AM Chris Green wrote: > > > > > > When I run CUPS 'add printer' with a new (to the network) Laserjet > > > M15W I see four possible printers to add:- > > > > > > HP LaserJet M15w (

Re: How to install a browser (epiphany) without affecting mailcap etc.?

On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 08:56:47 +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > On 13/02/2025 01:26, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > Now Debian has*two* completely separate > > ways to specify a default application for a role. > > I believed there are at least 4 ways (besides settings specific to > particular applications)

Re: How to install a browser (epiphany) without affecting mailcap etc.?

On 13/02/2025 01:26, Greg Wooledge wrote: Now Debian has*two* completely separate ways to specify a default application for a role. I believed there are at least 4 ways (besides settings specific to particular applications) - *browser alternatives - BROWSER environment - mailcap for text/html

Re: How to install a browser (epiphany) without affecting mailcap etc.?

On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 10:34:32 -0600, David Wright wrote: > urlCommand "sensible-browser '%s'" hobbit:~$ type -a sensible-browser sensible-browser is /usr/bin/sensible-browser sensible-browser is /bin/sensible-browser hobbit:~$ ls -l /usr/bin/sensible-browser -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1290

Re: How to install a browser (epiphany) without affecting mailcap etc.?

On 2025-02-12, Nicolas George wrote: > Greg (HE12025-02-12): >> What is going on? You suggested examining the source code. > > No, I suggested reading the documentation. Others have suggested other > avenues that lead to understanding. These are good answers. The > suggestions to uninstall and ran

Re: How to install a browser (epiphany) without affecting mailcap etc.?

Greg (HE12025-02-12): > What is going on? You suggested examining the source code. No, I suggested reading the documentation. Others have suggested other avenues that lead to understanding. These are good answers. The suggestions to uninstall and randomly fiddle with the order are polluting the go

Re: How to install a browser (epiphany) without affecting mailcap etc.?

On 2025-02-12, Nicolas George wrote: > > The only way to achieve a reliable result is to understand what is going > on. I am flabbergasted that so many people on this list do not start What is going on? You suggested examining the source code. For the end user, this might be arduous task at best.

Re: How to install a browser (epiphany) without affecting mailcap etc.?

On 2025-02-12, David Wright wrote: >> > > >> > Unfortunately, as Greg Wooledge has already pointed out, there is no >> > universal standard. If there was, this thread would've stopped ages >> > ago. >> >> I am really surprised that this thread is so long. However I am still >> curious whether xf

Re: How to install a browser (epiphany) without affecting mailcap etc.?

Greg (HE12025-02-12): > Simply reversing the installation order of the two browsers seems the > most direct and easiest solution. It might achieve the result. A solution… What will the OP do if they install another browser to try something and it becomes the default one? Uninstall them all and r

Re: How to choose which 'printer' to install?

Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 8:20 AM Chris Green wrote: > > > > When I run CUPS 'add printer' with a new (to the network) Laserjet > > M15W I see four possible printers to add:- > > > > HP LaserJet M15w (FD27B6) (HP LaserJet M14-M17) > > HP LaserJet M14-M17 (driverless) (HP L

Re: How to install a browser (epiphany) without affecting mailcap etc.?

On Wed 12 Feb 2025 at 22:54:15 (+0700), Max Nikulin wrote: > On 12/02/2025 22:09, Greg wrote: > > On 2025-02-12, Max Nikulin wrote: > > > Certainly, but before delving into source code I would try the standard > > > (XDG) way to configure media types and applications associations. > > > > > Unfort

Re: How to install a browser (epiphany) without affecting mailcap etc.?

On 2025-02-12, Brad Rogers wrote: > > On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 15:36:46 - (UTC) > Greg wrote: > > Hello Greg, > >>What exactly is he after? I was under the impression it was setting the >>default browser to Vivaldi. > > Yes, but as has been explained, there are multiple ways in which a > browser c

Re: How to install a browser (epiphany) without affecting mailcap etc.?

Chris Green wrote: > Anssi Saari wrote: > > Chris Green writes: > > > > > Installing epiphany just added it as a choice but left vivaldi as the > > > configured browser, but still epiphany grabbed everything. > > > > Have you considered you may get better information if you actually > > define

Re: How to install a browser (epiphany) without affecting mailcap etc.?

On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 15:36:46 - (UTC) Greg wrote: Hello Greg, >What exactly is he after? I was under the impression it was setting the >default browser to Vivaldi. Yes, but as has been explained, there are multiple ways in which a browser can be chosen. Some, most notably, circumventing sys

Re: How to install a browser (epiphany) without affecting mailcap etc.?

On 12/02/2025 22:09, Greg wrote: On 2025-02-12, Max Nikulin wrote: Certainly, but before delving into source code I would try the standard (XDG) way to configure media types and applications associations. Unfortunately, as Greg Wooledge has already pointed out, there is no universal standard.

Re: How to install a browser (epiphany) without affecting mailcap etc.?

Greg wrote: > On 2025-02-12, Nicolas George wrote: > > Max Nikulin (HE12025-02-12): > >> I would not be surprised if it is not explicitly documented. > > > > At worst, the source code is the documentation. > > I think Chris had the right idea. Install Epiphany first, and then > Vivaldi, instead

Re: How to install a browser (epiphany) without affecting mailcap etc.?

On 2025-02-12, Brad Rogers wrote: > > On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 15:09:38 - (UTC) > Greg wrote: > > Hello Greg, > >>Simply reversing the installation order of the two browsers seems the >>most direct and easiest solution.=20 > > Still with, of course, no guarantee of successfully achieving exactly >

Re: How to choose which 'printer' to install?

On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 8:20 AM Chris Green wrote: > > When I run CUPS 'add printer' with a new (to the network) Laserjet > M15W I see four possible printers to add:- > > HP LaserJet M15w (FD27B6) (HP LaserJet M14-M17) > HP LaserJet M14-M17 (driverless) (HP LaserJet M14-M17) > HP LaserJet M14-M

Re: How to install a browser (epiphany) without affecting mailcap etc.?

On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 15:09:38 - (UTC) Greg wrote: Hello Greg, >Simply reversing the installation order of the two browsers seems the >most direct and easiest solution. Still with, of course, no guarantee of successfully achieving exactly what Chris is after. -- Regards _ "Valid si

Re: How to install a browser (epiphany) without affecting mailcap etc.?

On 2025-02-12, Max Nikulin wrote: > On 12/02/2025 20:55, Nicolas George wrote: >> Max Nikulin (HE12025-02-12): >>> I would not be surprised if it is not explicitly documented. >> >> At worst, the source code is the documentation. > > Certainly, but before delving into source code I would try the

Re: How to install a browser (epiphany) without affecting mailcap etc.?

On 12/02/2025 20:55, Nicolas George wrote: Max Nikulin (HE12025-02-12): I would not be surprised if it is not explicitly documented. At worst, the source code is the documentation. Certainly, but before delving into source code I would try the standard (XDG) way to configure media types and

Re: How to install a browser (epiphany) without affecting mailcap etc.?

On 2025-02-12, Nicolas George wrote: > Max Nikulin (HE12025-02-12): >> I would not be surprised if it is not explicitly documented. > > At worst, the source code is the documentation. I think Chris had the right idea. Install Epiphany first, and then Vivaldi, instead of the other way around. Pro

Re: How to install a browser (epiphany) without affecting mailcap etc.?

On 2025-02-12, Chris Green wrote: >> >> If you want a Linux way to solve the issue: first, read the >> documentation of xfce-terminal to see how it decides which web browser >> to run; then read the documentation of that mechanism to see how to >> configure it. >> > I have looked in the xfce4-te

Re: How to install a browser (epiphany) without affecting mailcap etc.?

Max Nikulin (HE12025-02-12): > I would not be surprised if it is not explicitly documented. At worst, the source code is the documentation. Regards, -- Nicolas George

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