On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 02:48:02PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 08:48:15PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Thu, 2012-11-22 at 11:35 -0500, Doug wrote:
> > > Altho some of the Linux commands that seem to be specific to certain
> > > distros
> >
> > Some distros use ali
Good morning Zenaan,
good morning Chris,
I'll reconsider to test aliases again. Usually I use the tab key, the
cursor keys and my fingers type some commands automagically.
Regards,
Ralf
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On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 03:13:31AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sat, 2012-11-24 at 14:48 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 08:48:15PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2012-11-22 at 11:35 -0500, Doug wrote:
> > > > Altho some of the Linux commands that seem to be s
On 11/24/12, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sat, 2012-11-24 at 14:48 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 08:48:15PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> > On Thu, 2012-11-22 at 11:35 -0500, Doug wrote:
>> > > Altho some of the Linux commands that seem to be specific to certain
>> > > distr
On Sat, 2012-11-24 at 14:48 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 08:48:15PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Thu, 2012-11-22 at 11:35 -0500, Doug wrote:
> > > Altho some of the Linux commands that seem to be specific to certain
> > > distros
> >
> > Some distros use aliases fo
On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 08:48:15PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-11-22 at 11:35 -0500, Doug wrote:
> > Altho some of the Linux commands that seem to be specific to certain
> > distros
>
> Some distros use aliases for commands, e.g. something like ls -a has an
> alias, this IMO should
On Fri, 2012-11-23 at 21:13 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-11-23 at 15:09 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Mi, 21 nov 12, 09:25:45, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > >
> > > > > top
> > >
> > > In this context
> > >
> > > killall -9 -w
> > >
> > > is very helpful.
> >
> > Just stumbled ac
On Fri, 2012-11-23 at 15:20 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Mi, 21 nov 12, 23:06:52, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> >
> > I noticed that visudo isn't vi, but nano on my current Ubuntu. Nano
> > seems to be more comfortable than vi.
>
> Set $VISUAL or $EDITOR as needed. Or change your /usr/bin/editor
>
On Fri, 2012-11-23 at 15:09 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Mi, 21 nov 12, 09:25:45, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> >
> > > > top
> >
> > In this context
> >
> > killall -9 -w
> >
> > is very helpful.
>
> Just stumbled across:
>
> http://partmaps.org/era/unix/award.html#uuk9letter
>
> I prefer 'ki
On Thu, 2012-11-22 at 11:35 -0500, Doug wrote:
> Altho some of the Linux commands that seem to be specific to certain
> distros
Some distros use aliases for commands, e.g. something like ls -a has an
alias, this IMO should be avoided. For at least one distro it was
possible to type "unmount" inst
On Ma, 20 nov 12, 18:59:49, Crypticmofo wrote:
>
> From the more exprienced Debian users can you guys paste or post a
> list of the most common commands that you use
According to 'popularity-contest | head -100' I'm using these a lot:
sudo
screen
yeahconsole
rxvt-unicode
mutt
Note: my /usr is m
On Mi, 21 nov 12, 23:06:52, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
> I noticed that visudo isn't vi, but nano on my current Ubuntu. Nano
> seems to be more comfortable than vi.
Set $VISUAL or $EDITOR as needed. Or change your /usr/bin/editor
alternative.
Kind regards,
Andrei
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On Mi, 21 nov 12, 15:54:03, "Morel Bérenger" wrote:
>
> When I need calculations, I want a tool which can understand simple
> things. If I need complex ones, I will take my vim and do some
> programming.
qalc, can do conversions as well.
Kind regards,
Andrei
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On Mi, 21 nov 12, 09:25:45, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
> > > top
>
> In this context
>
> killall -9 -w
>
> is very helpful.
Just stumbled across:
http://partmaps.org/era/unix/award.html#uuk9letter
I prefer 'killall ' (which sends 15 by default)
Kind regards,
Andrei
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On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 10:36:41PM -0500, Tony Baldwin wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 10:56:07AM -0800, Gary Roach wrote:
> > On 11/21/2012 06:02 AM, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> > >Crypticmofo wrote:
> > >>Hello
> > >>
> > >>I'm new to debian and i hang out in the irc channels .. i realize
> > >>tha
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 10:56:07AM -0800, Gary Roach wrote:
> On 11/21/2012 06:02 AM, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> >Crypticmofo wrote:
> >>Hello
> >>
> >>I'm new to debian and i hang out in the irc channels .. i realize
> >>that irc is there really for support so i wanted to take my question
> >>here .
On 11/21/2012 06:02 AM, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
Crypticmofo wrote:
Hello
I'm new to debian and i hang out in the irc channels .. i realize
that irc is there really for support so i wanted to take my question
here ..
From the more exprienced Debian users can you guys paste or post a
list of the
On 22/11/12 16:35, Doug wrote:
> On 11/22/2012 05:52 AM, "Morel Bérenger" wrote:
>>> This whole thread points out a major problem with using Linux. There is
>>> no comprehensive, cross referenced, command dictionary anywhere. I
>>> have a C
>>> programming reference that was written by Kernegian an
On 11/22/2012 05:52 AM, "Morel Bérenger" wrote:
This whole thread points out a major problem with using Linux. There is
no comprehensive, cross referenced, command dictionary anywhere. I have a C
programming reference that was written by Kernegian and Ritchy way back
when, which referenced the C
On 21-11-12 23:06, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 21:28 +, Joe wrote:
I use dpkg [...] if I need to install a .deb
<...>
mc
Indeed. I never went the vi/emacs route since cooledit in mc does all
the admin work I need to do, and I don't do heavy text processing. And
my se
> This whole thread points out a major problem with using Linux. There is
> no comprehensive, cross referenced, command dictionary anywhere. I have a C
> programming reference that was written by Kernegian and Ritchy way back
> when, which referenced the C commands by function, that I used to live
> Simple things are really simple in bc.
sounds like, yes.
I'll try that someday
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> On Wednesday 21 November 2012 15:47:25 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > The num pad on the German keyboard has got a "," instead of a ".".
>
> Use the . from the main part of the keyboard. Known by the English as
"full
> stop", and by the United States Americans as "point", I think.
Depends on context.
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 21:28 +, Joe wrote:
> I use dpkg [...] if I need to install a .deb
I do the same. Usually I build packages, instead of running "make
install" and I don't have my own repository.
> > mc
> Indeed. I never went the vi/emacs route since cooledit in mc does all
> the admin wo
On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:02:56 -0600
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> Crypticmofo wrote:
> >
> > What i really want are real life uses everyday ie.. do you use a
> > lot of dpkg commands do you use a lot of apt or aptitude commands
> > everday
I use dpkg when I'm in trouble, or if I need to install a .d
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 12:21 -0800, Gary Roach wrote:
> It is really frustrating when you know there is a command that you
> used 2 years ago that is exactly what you need but can't remember its
> name.
Is there a way to get some smarter autocompletion?
Assumed I can't rember the command name "umo
On 11/21/2012 06:02 AM, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
Crypticmofo wrote:
Hello
I'm new to debian and i hang out in the irc channels .. i realize
that irc is there really for support so i wanted to take my question
here ..
From the more exprienced Debian users can you guys paste or post a
list of
On Nov 21, 2012 7:57 PM, "Siard" wrote:
>
> Jochen Spieker:
> > Morel Bérenger:
> > > $man dc
> > > => "reverse-polish" ? What is it? It is surely not for simple
> > > calculations and conversions...
> >
> > That's probably only for majors in maths or computer science.
>
> No, dc is a perfect tool
Jochen Spieker:
> Morel Bérenger:
> > $man dc
> > => "reverse-polish" ? What is it? It is surely not for simple
> > calculations and conversions...
>
> That's probably only for majors in maths or computer science.
No, dc is a perfect tool for simple calculations and conversions.
Instead of enter
"Morel Bérenger":
> Le Mer 21 novembre 2012 15:29, Chris Bannister a écrit :
>> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:05:33AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>
>>> galculator is very good, if you have a num pad where the "." is a ",",
>>> OTOH
>>> gcalctool does completely display what you typed.
>>
>> Whats wr
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 16:32 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Wednesday 21 November 2012 15:47:25 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > The num pad on the German keyboard has got a "," instead of a ".".
>
> Use the . from the main part of the keyboard. Known by the English as "full
> stop", and by the United Stat
On Wednesday 21 November 2012 15:47:25 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> The num pad on the German keyboard has got a "," instead of a ".".
Use the . from the main part of the keyboard. Known by the English as "full
stop", and by the United States Americans as "point", I think.
Lisi
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Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:05:33AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > galculator
> > is very good, if you have a num pad where the "." is a ",", OTOH
> > gcalctool does completely display what you typed.
>
> Whats wrong with bc/dc? :)
Germ
Le Mer 21 novembre 2012 15:29, Chris Bannister a écrit :
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:05:33AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
>> galculator is very good, if you have a num pad where the "." is a ",",
>> OTOH
>> gcalctool does completely display what you typed.
>
> Whats wrong with bc/dc? :)
$man bc
=
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:05:33AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> galculator
> is very good, if you have a num pad where the "." is a ",", OTOH
> gcalctool does completely display what you typed.
Whats wrong with bc/dc? :)
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On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 09:54:07AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 09:40 +0100, "Morel Bérenger" wrote:
> > > Yes, there are some useful shortcuts. I guess tty is unimportant at the
> > > moment, but e.g. Alt+F2 is useful to launch an app and Ctrl+Alt+F7 is
> > > useful, if a new
Crypticmofo wrote:
Hello
I'm new to debian and i hang out in the irc channels .. i realize that
irc is there really for support so i wanted to take my question here ..
From the more exprienced Debian users can you guys paste or post a list
of the most common commands that you use
I alread
On 11/21/2012 03:59 AM, Crypticmofo wrote:
> Hello
>
> I'm new to debian and i hang out in the irc channels .. i realize that
> irc is there really for support so i wanted to take my question here ..
>
> From the more exprienced Debian users can you guys paste or post a list
> of the most common
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 09:22:10AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Not needed by a newbie and quasi obsolet for many distros.
>
> Ok, I didn't comment everything, you mentioned several commands that IMO
> are only confusing a newbie, those are also two commands that are
> unimportant.
The OP didn't
> PS: Please reply to the list only.
Sorry for that, I am using a webmail quite primitive, and I regularly
forgot to check all fields...
I should search for a portable and lightweight but good software for such
kind of things, I guess.
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On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 10:50 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 10:36 +0100, "Morel Bérenger" wrote:
> > > To read about globbing is very important. Simply using wildcards could
> > > cause serious issues.
> > What is globbing, and which issues can cause wildcards?
>
> $ touch .test
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 10:36 +0100, "Morel Bérenger" wrote:
> > To read about globbing is very important. Simply using wildcards could
> > cause serious issues.
> What is globbing, and which issues can cause wildcards?
$ touch .test test
$ ls -A
test .test
$ rm *
$ ls -A
.test
So for a backup hid
As I said, I still consider myself as a newbie (or a very novice, take
your favorite) :)
2 years can help learn a lot, but learning could be implementing with
something like:
learn(){
read();
understand();
memorize();
learn();
}
>> cd (there are some tricks, like no args, using '/' or '~'
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 09:13 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Wednesday 21 November 2012 09:05:33 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > > make
> > > ifup
> >
> > Please don't write newbies such commands, that are completely useless
> > for a newbie.
> >
> > > ifdown
> > > ifconfig
> >
> > Yes
>
> Surely, if one is
On Wednesday 21 November 2012 09:05:33 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > make
> > ifup
>
> Please don't write newbies such commands, that are completely useless
> for a newbie.
>
> > ifdown
> > ifconfig
>
> Yes
Surely, if one is going to use ifdown, one also needs ifup?
Lisi
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On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 09:34 +0100, "Morel Bérenger" wrote:
> cd (there are some tricks, like no args, using '/' or '~' to start the arg)
> cp
To read about globbing is very important. Simply using wildcards could
cause serious issues.
> cat | grep (find all regex occurrences in file)
No, we us
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 03:31:37PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> You might say where you're coming from - Windows, Fedora, ... ?
>
> aptitude search blah (or apt-cache search blah)
> aptitude show blah (or apt-cache show ...)
> ip
> route -n
> ping
So you use these commands everyday? Interestin
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 09:40 +0100, "Morel Bérenger" wrote:
> > Yes, there are some useful shortcuts. I guess tty is unimportant at the
> > moment, but e.g. Alt+F2 is useful to launch an app and Ctrl+Alt+F7 is
> > useful, if a newbie should "lose" the desktop environment. Cut and copy
> > shortcuts
> Yes, there are some useful shortcuts. I guess tty is unimportant at the
> moment, but e.g. Alt+F2 is useful to launch an app and Ctrl+Alt+F7 is
> useful, if a newbie should "lose" the desktop environment. Cut and copy
> shortcuts perhaps are already known
The problem for shortcuts are that they
It depends on your uses as others have said.
In my case, I am a developer, which sadly does not uses linux at work
(hopefully that'll change someday).
I prefer command-line to graphical file explorer, and have a tiling window
manager (command-line without that kind of wm is a little less comfortab
> > top
In this context
killall -9 -w
is very helpful.
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On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 10:00 +0200, Johann Spies wrote:
> /etc/init.d/ reload/restart/stop/start ...
Not needed by a newbie and quasi obsolet for many distros.
> grep
Very useful!
> top
Very useful! Alternatives: htop and atop
I like hwinfo instead of a bundle of other commands.
> w3m
> mak
On 21 November 2012 04:59, Crypticmofo wrote:
>
>
> What i really want are real life uses everyday ie.. do you use a lot of
> dpkg commands do you use a lot of apt or aptitude commands everday
>
>
It depends on what you do with your computer.
In my case:
mutt
emacs
ncdu
df -h
ls -laprt
sort
mo
For Debian and Ubuntu I prefer to use
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synaptic_(software)
instead of command line. There's only one distro where I like the
command line for managing packages from repositories, but for DEBs and
RPMs IMO GUIs are more comfortable and especially Synaptic is a really
good
You might say where you're coming from - Windows, Fedora, ... ?
aptitude search blah (or apt-cache search blah)
aptitude show blah (or apt-cache show ...)
ip
route -n
ping
should get you going...
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