On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 05:02:13PM +0200, Brice Méalier wrote:
>
> There something that you can try to do instead of double-clicking on
> item (this way you'll also experience the user-friendliness of linux):
> open a terminal (gnome-terminal or Konsole under KDE (yeah this ugly
> command line)) a
On Sat, Jul 09, 2005 at 10:36:19PM -0500, Paul Stolp wrote:
> I truly believe that man should be one of the first
> programs a new user should get familiar with.
I like the man pages, and they're good for experienced
users, but they largely assume that you already know how to
do most of what you w
Paul Stolp wrote:
> I truly believe that man should be one of the first
> programs a new user should get familiar with.
Agreed. Too bad that GNU doesn't go along with that. >.<
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* David E. Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-07-09 22:15]:
> But what if you don't know the binary?
man -k keyword (e.g. man -k browser)
> For instance, how does a newbie come
> to the conclusion that "kopete" is (one choice for) an instant
> messaging client?
man -k instant
> To put this in per
On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 21:15:33 +0200
Brice Méalier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> generally, the name of the program matches the name of the binary! the
> best example is what you are telling above with firefox...
But what if you don't know the binary? Even on Debian, one could have
none, or several,
On Friday July 8 2005 7:38 am, Stephen R Laniel wrote:
> In some ways automobile and road designers have a nice
> constraint: they *can't* assume that their drivers are
>
> a) literate,
Actually, road engineers intrinsically rely on literacy. You cannot
get a driver's license in Oregon unless y
On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 07:21:56AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Is it? *looks at all the zombied machines spewing spam then thinks of
> what else they could do* You're sure being computer ignorant can't kill
> people? :P
Eh. Let's build computer systems with secure OSes, secure
programming la
Stephen R Laniel wrote:
> Well, yes: so that they wouldn't kill people. The
> consequences of being unable to use a command line (which is
> different from "computer illiteracy" -- being computer
> literate means being able to use a web browser, word
> processor, &c.) are pretty minor, really.
On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 09:40:38AM -0400, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:
> > What's wrong with lowering the brain use of the user?
> Atrophy.
I think maybe we're looking at the problem in two different
ways: your point seems to be that it would be better for
users if they behaved in a certain way,
On 2005-07-08, Stephen R Laniel wrote:
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> On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 11:07:19PM +0200, Brice M=E9alier wrote:
>> Sure a GUI is not a bad habit! far from th
On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 11:07:19PM +0200, Brice Méalier wrote:
> Sure a GUI is not a bad habit! far from that! but it has the drawback to
> lower the "brain use" of the user... A computer is a tool which use you
> must learn and unfortunately GUIs tend to avoid any learning from the
> user side.
W
Brice Méalier said:
>
> Sure a GUI is not a bad habit! far from that! but it has the drawback to
> lower the "brain use" of the user... A computer is a tool which use you
> must learn and unfortunately GUIs tend to avoid any learning from the
> user side.
This is true, but most users don't want to
On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 03:36:29PM -0400, Stephen R Laniel wrote :
> On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 09:15:33PM +0200, Brice Méalier wrote:
> > > I'd say that we should just keep new users away from the
> > > command line. I do all my work there, but it ceased to be
> > > the best way for new users to inte
On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 09:15:33PM +0200, Brice Méalier wrote:
> > I'd say that we should just keep new users away from the
> > command line. I do all my work there, but it ceased to be
> > the best way for new users to interact with a computer about
> > 15 years ago. The problem with the command l
On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 01:17:18PM -0400, Stephen R Laniel wrote :
> On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 05:02:13PM +0200, Brice Méalier wrote:
> > There something that you can try to do instead of double-clicking on
> > item (this way you'll also experience the user-friendliness of linux):
> > open a terminal
On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 05:02:13PM +0200, Brice Méalier wrote:
> There something that you can try to do instead of double-clicking on
> item (this way you'll also experience the user-friendliness of linux):
> open a terminal (gnome-terminal or Konsole under KDE (yeah this ugly
> command line)) and
On Wed, Jul 06, 2005 at 05:58:18PM -0400, Stephen R Laniel wrote :
> On Wed, Jul 06, 2005 at 02:48:36PM -0700, Redefined Horizons wrote:
> > I'd like to make a task launcher that opens an application I have
> > installed on my Debian system with Synaptic.
>
> I don't think you mean Synaptic. Or ma
On Wed, Jul 06, 2005 at 02:48:36PM -0700, Redefined Horizons wrote:
> I'd like to make a task launcher that opens an application I have
> installed on my Debian system with Synaptic.
I don't think you mean Synaptic. Or maybe I just got my
binding wrong. You're saying that
1) You installed an app
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