On Vi, 26 sep 14, 11:03:07, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Joel Roth wrote:
> >On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 05:01:03PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote:
> >>On 09/25/2014 02:25 PM, Joel Roth wrote:
> >>
> >>>I would say that systemd takeover of major Linux distributions
> >>>and of Debian in particular would be a perfec
Joel Roth wrote:
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 05:01:03PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote:
On 09/25/2014 02:25 PM, Joel Roth wrote:
I would say that systemd takeover of major Linux distributions
and of Debian in particular would be a perfect subject
for Groklaw.
How so?? Legally, Debian has the legal stance
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On 09/26/2014 at 02:27 AM, Gregory Smith wrote:
> The mailing list operator has threatened to ban me from the
> mailing list because I posted systemd critical opinions which
> explain precisely what has occured in debian. This is the debian
> coup's
On Jo, 25 sep 14, 16:04:11, agronomo wrote:
>
> Do you have the link to TC vote Andrei? Please.
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727708
The vote itself starts here:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727708#6236
(yes, that's message 6236, out of 7620)
If you rea
On Friday 26 September 2014 07:27:42 Gregory Smith wrote:
> The mailing list operator has threatened to ban me from the mailing list
Good
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On Friday 26 September 2014 07:24:14 Gregory Smith wrote:
> Club or not, common law criminal fraud applies.
Which jurisdiction?
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Debian was not created as a doacracy of package maintainers,
that is a falsehood that the coupists keep repeating. Debian
was created as a universal operating system for the users.
Just as the Free Software movement itself was created NOT
for the developers and package maintainers of the software
o
The mailing list operator has threatened to ban me from the mailing list
because I posted systemd critical opinions which explain precisely what has
occured in debian. This is the debian coup's modus operandi. They see
criticism and then silence it. People keep sending mails to the list but
they ne
Club or not, common law criminal fraud applies.
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 9:01 PM, Ric Moore wrote:
> On 09/25/2014 02:25 PM, Joel Roth wrote:
>
> I would say that systemd takeover of major Linux distributions
>> and of Debian in particular would be a perfect subject
>> for Groklaw.
>>
>
> How so
The way I see it, Debian is a "do-ocracy" in the sense that if you want
some sort of functionality of the software Debian offers, then you can
write the code and change things. I think what the OP intends by this
thread is that the everyday users of Debian should have been given more of
a say in th
On 09/25/2014 06:46 PM, John Hasler wrote:
Ric Moore writes:
You are free to boot Debian and use it...
You are also free to copy it, modify it in any way you wish, and start
your own distribution based on it.
There ya go! You can do as you please. It is, after all, a club. :) Ric
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Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Jo, 25 sep 14, 21:01:30, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Thursday 25 September 2014 19:04:07 Hörmetjan Yiltiz wrote:
even after 2/3 of active
Debian users in this list ask for it?
They haven't. A few of you have. Nothing like two thirds.
Just to put some numbers behind thi
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On 09/25/2014 02:01 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Jo, 25 sep 14, 14:28:19, Hörmetjan Yiltiz wrote:
>> I hope you all can realize how much I do NOT want to open yet
>> again another issue on #NotSystemd topic.
>
> No.
>
>> Seeing that the issue is st
Ric Moore writes:
> You are free to boot Debian and use it...
You are also free to copy it, modify it in any way you wish, and start
your own distribution based on it.
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On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 05:01:03PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote:
> On 09/25/2014 02:25 PM, Joel Roth wrote:
>
> >I would say that systemd takeover of major Linux distributions
> >and of Debian in particular would be a perfect subject
> >for Groklaw.
>
> How so?? Legally, Debian has the legal stance of
On 09/25/2014 02:25 PM, Joel Roth wrote:
I would say that systemd takeover of major Linux distributions
and of Debian in particular would be a perfect subject
for Groklaw.
How so?? Legally, Debian has the legal stance of a "Club". It is not a
for-profit with Corporate Responsibilities towards
On Jo, 25 sep 14, 21:01:30, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Thursday 25 September 2014 19:04:07 Hörmetjan Yiltiz wrote:
> > even after 2/3 of active
> > Debian users in this list ask for it?
>
> They haven't. A few of you have. Nothing like two thirds.
Just to put some numbers behind this: according to
On Thursday 25 September 2014 19:04:07 Hörmetjan Yiltiz wrote:
> even after 2/3 of active
> Debian users in this list ask for it?
They haven't. A few of you have. Nothing like two thirds.
Lisi
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Hörmetjan Yiltiz writes:
> So what you mean, is the decision was a result of "coup", and do not
> believe that another vote could be possible, even after 2/3 of active
> Debian users in this list ask for it?
No, the decision was not the result of a "coup" and yes, a GR could
overturn it. Since th
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 07:52:33AM -0700, Gregory Smith wrote:
> And the answer is no!
> Of course.
>
> The debian founding documents state that debian was created for the benefit
> of the user.
> (The premise of the whole free software movement is the rights of the user:
> the developers rights a
So what you mean, is the decision was a result of "coup", and do not
believe that another vote could be possible, even after 2/3 of active
Debian users in this list ask for it?
祝好，
He who is worthy to receive his days and nights is worthy to receive* all
else* from you (an
And the answer is no!
Of course.
The debian founding documents state that debian was created for the benefit
of the user.
(The premise of the whole free software movement is the rights of the user:
the developers rights are clearly best served by the standard proprietary
copyright regime)
We are t
On Jo, 25 sep 14, 14:28:19, Hörmetjan Yiltiz wrote:
> I hope you all can realize how much I do NOT want to open yet again another
> issue on #NotSystemd topic.
No.
> Seeing that the issue is still going on and on for almost from the moment
> Debian decided to use systemd, and also considering th
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