Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

2008-07-18 Thread John Devereux
"Dotan Cohen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > 2008/7/2 John Devereux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Wine seems to be getting pretty good now, so perhaps you can find >> something meant for windows. >> > > And when you do, whether or not it works in wine, make sure that you > write to the developer and let

Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

2008-07-18 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/7/2 John Devereux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Wine seems to be getting pretty good now, so perhaps you can find > something meant for windows. > And when you do, whether or not it works in wine, make sure that you write to the developer and let them know that you want to use their program in Linux

Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

2008-07-02 Thread John Devereux
Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hello, > > I am using "electic" and "geda" but those programs are crap and you can > not design real PCBs for it. Even my 18 years old MS-DOS software works > better. > > So, my requirements are: > > 1) PCB-Layouts up to Extended ATX and 18x11" > 2

Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

2008-07-01 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 03:38:51AM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: > Am 2008-06-27 23:46:47, schrieb Dotan Cohen: > > Unless I missed it in this very long thread, Michelle, you have not > > yet said the name of this Windows software. Let us know the name of > > the company and the software. > > Sin

Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

2008-07-01 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2008-06-27 23:46:47, schrieb Dotan Cohen: > Unless I missed it in this very long thread, Michelle, you have not > yet said the name of this Windows software. Let us know the name of > the company and the software. Since I have droped Windows in March 1999 I do not more remember its name but

Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

2008-06-29 Thread al davis
On Wednesday 25 June 2008, Michelle Konzack wrote: > Am 2008-06-23 22:31:12, schrieb David Goodenough: > > Have you looked a gEDA? Its available on Debian. > > Yes, but it is NOT intuitive as programs I have used in > Enterprises. It is nearly imposible to make bigger projects > with SIMPEL

Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

2008-06-27 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/25 Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I have worked with Windows software for 300 Euro which do this. > Unless I missed it in this very long thread, Michelle, you have not yet said the name of this Windows software. Let us know the name of the company and the software. Dotan Cohen h

Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

2008-06-27 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2008-06-23 22:31:12, schrieb David Goodenough: > Have you looked a gEDA? Its available on Debian. Yes, but it is NOT intuitive as programs I have used in Enterprises. It is nearly imposible to make bigger projects with SIMPEL CPUs like ARM or MIPS. I am NOT talking abouth a PCB for a

Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

2008-06-27 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2008-06-23 23:31:11, schrieb Dotan Cohen: > I'd just like to pipe up that should AutoCAD or Solidworks go belly up > and stop supporting the software, my own problems regarding the > software will be trivial compared to the industry upheaval. I do not know, HOW many Developers, Engineers and En

Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

2008-06-27 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hi Larry, please can you trimm down the message if you are responding? Am 2008-06-23 13:07:24, schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > Michelle > I have run several hardware/software shops and for me the only rational > arguement for source code is "what will I as a user do if the company goes > "belly up"

Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

2008-06-27 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2008-06-23 13:30:54, schrieb Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso: > Money is not the issue. You keep alluding about how I want everything > gratis; this was never my claim. Source could very well be distributed > with money and you know that many companies do this now, just as many > other companies always

Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

2008-06-24 Thread Nyizsnyik Ferenc
On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:30:52 -0700 (PDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Hello Larry, > > > > Am 2008-06-18 11:35:04, schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > >> Michelle > >> My (no defunct) company went through a similar search as you. > >> What we found was some very good and very expensive software, > >> pri

Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

2008-06-23 Thread David Goodenough
On Wednesday 18 June 2008, al davis wrote: > On Tuesday 17 June 2008, Michelle Konzack wrote: > > I am using *** but those programs are crap > > and you  can not .  Even my 18 years > > old MS-DOS software works better. > > > > So, my requirements are: > > > > 1)  PCB-Layouts up to

Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

2008-06-23 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/23 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Michelle > I have run several hardware/software shops and for me the only rational > arguement for source code is "what will I as a user do if the company goes > "belly up" or stops supporting the product. The only pragmatic solution > that I was able to work out

Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

2008-06-23 Thread owens
> Am 2008-06-21 09:22:17, schrieb Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso: >> I think this is rather nearsighted. Although for what I do, >> mathematics, it's easier to argue for openness of the software (a >> mathematical proof must be available and the method disclosed, > > Sorry, but I habv my own Enterprise, w

Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

2008-06-23 Thread owens
> Am 2008-06-21 09:22:17, schrieb Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso: >> I think this is rather nearsighted. Although for what I do, >> mathematics, it's easier to argue for openness of the software (a >> mathematical proof must be available and the method disclosed, > > Sorry, but I habv my own Enterprise, w

Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

2008-06-23 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/23 Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 21/06/2008, Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> [a long point-by-point reponse to something I wrote] > > Michelle, I'm not sure how worthwhile it will be to repeat to you > arguments that I'm sure you have heard endless times

Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

2008-06-23 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
On 21/06/2008, Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [a long point-by-point reponse to something I wrote] Michelle, I'm not sure how worthwhile it will be to repeat to you arguments that I'm sure you have heard endless times before. I could repeat those arguments, but I doubt you would be

Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

2008-06-23 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2008-06-21 18:39:19, schrieb Michal R. Hoffmann: > Michelle, > > I may be talking rubbish, but I remembered there was a PCB layout design > tool called Eagle; it was German but I think it had also English > interface. It worked both in MS Windows and in Linux environment. Not > sure if this

Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

2008-06-23 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2008-06-21 10:50:32, schrieb Dotan Cohen: > 2008/6/21 Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On 20/06/2008, Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Motivate the people that you know to let the software houses know that > >> we want their software. > > > > And we want it with free

Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

2008-06-23 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2008-06-20 23:57:27, schrieb Dotan Cohen: > I was speaking in the general sense. Even if the company in question > cannot produce a 'today' solution, Michelle and others will benefit > from a 'next version' solution. The narrow-view of "it won't be now so > why bother" is exactly the reason that

Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

2008-06-23 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2008-06-21 09:22:17, schrieb Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso: > I think this is rather nearsighted. Although for what I do, > mathematics, it's easier to argue for openness of the software (a > mathematical proof must be available and the method disclosed, Sorry, but I habv my own Enterprise, working a

Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

2008-06-22 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/22 JW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > If you're willing to pay thousands of dollars, why don't you find a n existing > FOSS program that's as close as possible to what you need, and pay someone - > rent-a-coder, if all else fails - to make the program do what you want? > Because that would take tens

Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

2008-06-22 Thread JW
On Saturday 21 June 2008 02:50:32 am Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/6/21 Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On 20/06/2008, Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Motivate the people that you know to let the software houses know that > >> we want their software. > > > > And we want i

Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

2008-06-21 Thread Michal R. Hoffmann
Michelle, I may be talking rubbish, but I remembered there was a PCB layout design tool called Eagle; it was German but I think it had also English interface. It worked both in MS Windows and in Linux environment. Not sure if this is what you need. I googled their webpage out: http://www.cads

Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

2008-06-21 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hi Al Davis. Am 2008-06-18 18:22:48, schrieb al davis: > Sorry if I sound overbearing here .. I am working on a project > (very close to geda) which is now "half working" and realize > how little things like this impact progress on a project. For PCB-Layout? If posible let me know about it.

Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

2008-06-21 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2008-06-20 10:56:21, schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > Michelle > Yes I assume your reference to PCBs was Printed Circuit Boards (yes?). If > so I have another approach, a "hybrid" solution used by many small to > medium size companies, especially those that don't do PCB layout on a > regular basis

Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

2008-06-21 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
On 21/06/2008, Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I personally would be satisfied paying thousands of dollars for > Solidworks and not having access to the source code so long as it runs > on my OS. I think this is rather nearsighted. Although for what I do, mathematics, it's easier to ar

Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

2008-06-21 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/21 Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 20/06/2008, Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Motivate the people that you know to let the software houses know that >> we want their software. > > And we want it with freedom. > Write to them and tell them that if that is what

Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

2008-06-20 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
On 20/06/2008, Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Motivate the people that you know to let the software houses know that > we want their software. And we want it with freedom. - Jordi G. H. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact

Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

2008-06-20 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/20 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Couldn't agree more. Unfortunately Michelle said that she needed the > software "now". > L > I was speaking in the general sense. Even if the company in question cannot produce a 'today' solution, Michelle and others will benefit from a 'next version' solution. T

Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

2008-06-20 Thread owens
> 2008/6/20 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> Did you write to the companies that provide the cheaper, XP-based >>> solutions and tell them that you are interested in buying their >>> software, but that you need a native Linux version? If we don't get >>> off our butts and tell the companies that we exist,

Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

2008-06-20 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/20 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Did you write to the companies that provide the cheaper, XP-based >> solutions and tell them that you are interested in buying their >> software, but that you need a native Linux version? If we don't get >> off our butts and tell the companies that we exist, then

Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

2008-06-20 Thread owens
> Hello Larry, > > Am 2008-06-18 11:35:04, schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: >> Michelle >> My (no defunct) company went through a similar search as you. What we >> found was some very good and very expensive software, primarily ported >> to >> Suns, and some reasonably good and reasonably inexpensive so

Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

2008-06-20 Thread owens
> 2008/6/18 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> My (no defunct) company went through a similar search as you. What we >> found was some very good and very expensive software, primarily ported >> to >> Suns, and some reasonably good and reasonably inexpensive software, >> unfortunately ported to XP. Perhaps

Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

2008-06-20 Thread owens
> Hello Larry, > > Am 2008-06-18 11:35:04, schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: >> Michelle >> My (no defunct) company went through a similar search as you. What we >> found was some very good and very expensive software, primarily ported >> to >> Suns, and some reasonably good and reasonably inexpensive so

Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

2008-06-20 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/18 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > My (no defunct) company went through a similar search as you. What we > found was some very good and very expensive software, primarily ported to > Suns, and some reasonably good and reasonably inexpensive software, > unfortunately ported to XP. Perhaps others ca

Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

2008-06-20 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Larry, Am 2008-06-18 11:35:04, schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > Michelle > My (no defunct) company went through a similar search as you. What we > found was some very good and very expensive software, primarily ported to > Suns, and some reasonably good and reasonably inexpensive software, > un

Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

2008-06-18 Thread al davis
On Wednesday 18 June 2008, Michelle Konzack wrote: > Am 2008-06-18 13:24:06, schrieb al davis: > > Yes. Be more respectful of people who are trying to help > > you. > > I have gotten no reponse from Developers and others... Did you ask? You have been on this here list long enough to know what ki

Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

2008-06-18 Thread owens
> Am 2008-06-18 13:24:06, schrieb al davis: >> Yes. Be more respectful of people who are trying to help you. > > I have gotten no reponse from Developers and others... > >> You say "not expensive" indicating your willingness to pay >> something. How about paying for improvements you want? > > I h

Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

2008-06-18 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2008-06-18 13:24:06, schrieb al davis: > Yes. Be more respectful of people who are trying to help you. I have gotten no reponse from Developers and others... > You say "not expensive" indicating your willingness to pay > something. How about paying for improvements you want? I have payed a

Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

2008-06-18 Thread al davis
On Tuesday 17 June 2008, Michelle Konzack wrote: > I am using *** but those programs are crap > and you  can not .  Even my 18 years > old MS-DOS software works better. > > So, my requirements are: > > 1)  PCB-Layouts up to Extended ATX and 18x11" > 2)  Only ARM and MIPS CPU's (yeah