On Sat, 19 Sep, 2020 at 14:31:57 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
[...]
> While I'm an LXDE user myself I do acknowledge that other DEs might have
> a different focus and/or priorities. As far as I can tell, providing
> many options is something that GNOME seems to explicitly want to avoid,
> whet
On Vi, 18 sep 20, 22:24:44, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 10:23:15 +0300
> Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>
> > On Mi, 16 sep 20, 10:32:14, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > >
> > > Short answer? Probably not. systemd has become too pervasive a
> > > dependency to do so. It shouldn't be. No oth
On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 10:23:15 +0300
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Mi, 16 sep 20, 10:32:14, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> >
> > Short answer? Probably not. systemd has become too pervasive a
> > dependency to do so. It shouldn't be. No other init system I know
> > of is.
>
> Funny how systemd is con
On Mi, 16 sep 20, 10:32:14, Patrick Bartek wrote:
>
> Short answer? Probably not. systemd has become too pervasive a
> dependency to do so. It shouldn't be. No other init system I know of
> is.
Funny how systemd is constantly "blamed" that *other* packages depend on
it.
Kind regards,
Andrei
On Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 12:30 AM Patrick Bartek wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 19:44:03 -0700
> Marc Shapiro wrote:
>
> > On 9/16/20 5:55 PM, David Wright wrote:
> > > On Wed 16 Sep 2020 at 16:15:12 (-0700), Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > >> On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 13:52:15 -0400
> > >> Greg Wooledge wrote:
I too have been using Debian for over a decade, and I've come to rely on it, so
I hear your concern at having to "switch" to something new. But I don't think
Devuan is really all that "new".
For almost two years I've had Devuan ascii with mate desktop in a VM that I
use daily for a variety
On 9/16/20 9:12 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 19:44:03 -0700
Marc Shapiro wrote:
On 9/16/20 5:55 PM, David Wright wrote:
On Wed 16 Sep 2020 at 16:15:12 (-0700), Patrick Bartek wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 13:52:15 -0400
Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:32:14A
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 19:44:03 -0700
Marc Shapiro wrote:
> On 9/16/20 5:55 PM, David Wright wrote:
> > On Wed 16 Sep 2020 at 16:15:12 (-0700), Patrick Bartek wrote:
> >> On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 13:52:15 -0400
> >> Greg Wooledge wrote:
> >>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:32:14AM -0700, Patrick Bartek
On 9/16/20 5:55 PM, David Wright wrote:
On Wed 16 Sep 2020 at 16:15:12 (-0700), Patrick Bartek wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 13:52:15 -0400
Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:32:14AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
To make a long story short, after two or so weeks of research and
numer
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 19:55:45 -0500
David Wright wrote:
> On Wed 16 Sep 2020 at 16:15:12 (-0700), Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 13:52:15 -0400
> > Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:32:14AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > > > To make a long story short, aft
On Wed 16 Sep 2020 at 16:15:12 (-0700), Patrick Bartek wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 13:52:15 -0400
> Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:32:14AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > > To make a long story short, after two or so weeks of research and
> > > numerous failed trials, I came
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 22:22:17 +0300
Reco wrote:
> Hi.
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:32:14AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > dbus, which is an xorg dependency,
>
> Not in buster:
>
> # apt policy dbus
> dbus:
> Installed: (none)
> Candidate: 1.12.20-0+deb10u1
> Version table:
>
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 13:52:15 -0400
Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:32:14AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > To make a long story short, after two or so weeks of research and
> > numerous failed trials, I came to the conclusion that systemd has
> > become too entrenched in the de
On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 03:41:41PM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
> Reco wrote:
> > > To make a long story short, after two or so weeks of research and
> > > numerous failed trials, I came to the conclusion that systemd has
> > > become too entrenched in the dependency tree of Buster to successfully
> >
Reco wrote:
> > To make a long story short, after two or so weeks of research and
> > numerous failed trials, I came to the conclusion that systemd has
> > become too entrenched in the dependency tree of Buster to successfully
> > convert to systvinit.
>
> But it is possible. Just forget about ru
Hi.
On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:32:14AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> dbus, which is an xorg dependency,
Not in buster:
# apt policy dbus
dbus:
Installed: (none)
Candidate: 1.12.20-0+deb10u1
Version table:
1.12.20-0+deb10u1 500
500 http://ftp.debian.org/debian buster/m
On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:32:14AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> To make a long story short, after two or so weeks of research and
> numerous failed trials, I came to the conclusion that systemd has
> become too entrenched in the dependency tree of Buster to successfully
> convert to systvinit.
I
On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 19:28:34 -0700
Marc Shapiro wrote:
> I have a fresh install of Buster which is running MATE as the Desktop
> Environment. It has taken me until now to get it working, without
> messing up my current Stretch install on the same machine. The next
> thing that I want to do i
On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 19:28:34 -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote:
> I have a fresh install of Buster which is running MATE as the Desktop
> Environment. […] The next thing that I
> want to do is replace systemd with sysvinit.
>
> Now I get a full screen of packages to be removed. Most are librarie
Looking at the Wikipedia entry for Devuan -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devuan - it appears that the folks over there
have had to modify precisely udisks2 and policykit. This is not a Devuan
support list - but it looks as if stock Debian may not allow the switch
once a full system is installed. I
Hi.
On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 07:28:34PM -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote:
> So, my question is: Can I replace systemd with sysvint and still keep MATE?
Exibit 1 (mate-core and systemd-sysv are installed):
# apt install sysvinit-core systemd-
...
The following packages will be REMOVED:
caja db
On Ma, 15 sep 20, 19:28:34, Marc Shapiro wrote:
>
> I ran 'aptitude install sysvinit-core'. This resulted in about 2 dozen
> packages to be removed (some of which, I would have removed anyway) and a
> similar number with unmet dependencies (mostly recommends). I can live with
> that and work aro
On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 07:28:34PM -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote:
> I want sysvinit, not systemd
Should be easy.
> I ran 'aptitude install sysvinit-core'.
> This gives me another screen full of text [...]
> Now I get a full screen of packages to be removed. [...]
I think the basic problem here is
Marc Shapiro wrote:
...
> If it is possible to do what I want, what is the easiest way to
> accomplish it?
i haven't tried that as i'm ok with what i have going but
i'll be interested in what you find out.
can you clone your current partition and then try it out
and if it doesn't work then y
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