Re: Backup.

2025-04-06 Thread peter
From: "Thomas Schmitt" Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2024 22:49:10 +0200 > You could give the backups volume ids which tell the date. > > -volid BOB_"$(date '+%Y_%m_%d_%H%M%S')" > ... Just ran this shell function with no difficulty evident. FilesToHDD () { \ source=/home/root/Backup; e

Re: Backup mysql

2024-12-02 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Tue, Dec 03, 2024 at 06:51:34AM +0800, Bitfox wrote: > I run mysql on debian. Do you? Or do you run MariaDB? Debian supplies MariaDB but it is possible to get MySQL from elsewhere. > I want to backup the tables for database grants and authentication. What > tables should I pick to backup

Re: backup of backup or alternating backups?

2024-10-09 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Like I say I like and use rsnapshot in some places, but speed and > resource efficiency are not its winning points. I have never used Rsnapshot, but I used Rsync backups for many years and then moved to Bup. The time to perform backups has been *very* substantially shortened by moving to Bup.

Re: backup of backup or alternating backups?

2024-10-09 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Wed, Oct 09, 2024 at 10:57:12AM +0200, Michel Verdier wrote: > On 2024-10-08, Andy Smith wrote: > > > When you have hundreds of millions of files in rsnapshot it really > > starts to hurt because every backup run involves: > > > > - Deleting the oldest tree of files; > > rsnapshot can ren

Re: backup of backup or alternating backups?

2024-10-09 Thread Michel Verdier
On 2024-10-08, Andy Smith wrote: > When you have hundreds of millions of files in rsnapshot it really > starts to hurt because every backup run involves: > > - Deleting the oldest tree of files; rsnapshot can rename it apart and delete it after backup is done. Thus involving only the backup syste

Re: backup of backup or alternating backups?

2024-10-08 Thread David Wright
On Tue 08 Oct 2024 at 06:37:43 (+0200), to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Oct 07, 2024 at 08:44:44PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > On Mon Oct 7, 2024 at 9:37 AM BST, Michel Verdier wrote: > > > Do you mean inodes expensive ? Which filesystem do you used ? > > > > It was 18 years ago so I can'

Re: backup of backup or alternating backups?

2024-10-08 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Mon, Oct 07, 2024 at 07:52:55PM -0600, Charles Curley wrote: > I've used rsnapshot for several years now with no such issue. My > rsnapshot repository resides on ext4, on its own LVM logical volume, on > top of an encrypted RAID 5 array on four four terabyte spinning rust > drives. > > /cr

Re: backup of backup or alternating backups?

2024-10-08 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Tue, Oct 08, 2024 at 10:41:33AM +0200, Michel Verdier wrote: > I add dateext parameter for logrotate so old logs keep the same name. This is another drawback to the design of rsnapshot. It doesn't matter that the files in your backup retain the same path: if they differ at all in any way,

Re: backup of backup or alternating backups?

2024-10-08 Thread Michel Verdier
On 2024-10-07, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > It was 18 years ago so I can't remember that clearly, but I think it was > a mixture of inodes expense and an enlarged amount of CPU time with the > file churn (mails moved from new to cur, and later to a separate archive > Maildir, that sort of thing). It

Re: backup of backup or alternating backups?

2024-10-08 Thread mick.crane
On 2024-10-07 21:06, Dan Ritter wrote: Possibly of interest: Debian package rdfind: Description: find duplicate files utility rdfind is a program to find duplicate files and optionally list, delete them or replace them with symlinks or hard links. It is a command line program written in c

Re: backup of backup or alternating backups?

2024-10-07 Thread tomas
On Mon, Oct 07, 2024 at 08:44:44PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Mon Oct 7, 2024 at 9:37 AM BST, Michel Verdier wrote: > > Do you mean inodes expensive ? Which filesystem do you used ? > > It was 18 years ago so I can't remember that clearly, but I think it was > a mixture of inodes expense

Re: backup of backup or alternating backups?

2024-10-07 Thread Charles Curley
On Mon, 07 Oct 2024 20:44:44 +0100 "Jonathan Dowland" wrote: > It was 18 years ago so I can't remember that clearly, but I think it > was a mixture of inodes expense and an enlarged amount of CPU time > with the file churn (mails moved from new to cur, and later to a > separate archive Maildir, t

Re: backup of backup or alternating backups?

2024-10-07 Thread eben
On 10/7/24 16:06, Dan Ritter wrote: e...@gmx.us wrote: I use rdiff to do the backups on the "server" ... and ran into that problem, so what I did was write a series of scripts that relinked identical files. Possibly of interest: Debian package rdfind: Description: find duplicate files utilit

Re: backup of backup or alternating backups?

2024-10-07 Thread Dan Ritter
e...@gmx.us wrote: > > I use rdiff to do the backups on the "server" (its job is serving video > content to the TV box over NFS) and ran into that problem, so what I did was > write a series of scripts that relinked identical files. It's not perfect, > I suspect there are still bugs. It tries t

Re: backup of backup or alternating backups?

2024-10-07 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sun Oct 6, 2024 at 9:24 PM BST, eben wrote: > I use rdiff to do the backups on the "server" (its job is serving video > content to the TV box over NFS) and ran into that problem, so what I did was > write a series of scripts that relinked identical files. It's not perfect, > I suspect there are

Re: backup of backup or alternating backups?

2024-10-07 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon Oct 7, 2024 at 9:37 AM BST, Michel Verdier wrote: > Do you mean inodes expensive ? Which filesystem do you used ? It was 18 years ago so I can't remember that clearly, but I think it was a mixture of inodes expense and an enlarged amount of CPU time with the file churn (mails moved from new

Re: backup of backup or alternating backups?

2024-10-07 Thread Michel Verdier
On 2024-10-06, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > At the time I was using rsnapshot, I was subscribed to some very high > traffic mailing lists (such as LKML), and storing the mail in Maildir > format (=1 file per email). rsnapshot's design of lots of hardlinks for > files that are present in more than on

Re: backup of backup or alternating backups?

2024-10-06 Thread eben
On 10/6/24 14:44, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Wed Oct 2, 2024 at 12:33 AM BST, Default User wrote: May I ask why you decided to switch from rsnapshot to rdiff-backup, and then to borg? The main issue I hit with rdiff-backup was if I wanted to move files or directories containing large files ar

Re: backup of backup or alternating backups?

2024-10-06 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed Oct 2, 2024 at 12:33 AM BST, Default User wrote: > May I ask why you decided to switch from rsnapshot to rdiff-backup, and > then to borg? Sure! At the time I was using rsnapshot, I was subscribed to some very high traffic mailing lists (such as LKML), and storing the mail in Maildir forma

Re: backup of backup or alternating backups?

2024-10-02 Thread Dan Purgert
On Sep 30, 2024, Default User wrote: > (...) > So, is there a consensus on which would be better:  > 1) continue to "mirror" drive A to drive B? > or, > 2) alternate backups daily between drives A and B? Primarily, I do (1); though every so often I do a variation of (2). Backups from all the PCs

Re: backup of backup or alternating backups?

2024-10-01 Thread Default User
On Mon, 2024-09-30 at 21:55 +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Mon Sep 30, 2024 at 5:39 PM BST, Default User wrote: > > So, is there a consensus on which would be better:  > > 1) continue to "mirror" drive A to drive B? > > or, > > 2) alternate backups daily between drives A and B? > > I'd go fo

Re: backup of backup or alternating backups?

2024-10-01 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Also why I would not want all backup-storage devices connected > simultaneously. All it takes is one piece of software going haywire > and you may have a situation where both the original and all backups > are corrupted simultaneously. You can minimize this risk by having them both connected sim

Re: backup of backup or alternating backups?

2024-09-30 Thread David Christensen
On 9/30/24 09:39, Default User wrote: Hi! On a thread at another mailing list, someone mentioned that they, each day, alternate doing backups between two external usb drives. That got me to thinking (which is always dangerous) . . . I have a full backup on usb external drive A, "refreshed" dail

Re: backup of backup or alternating backups?

2024-09-30 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 30 Sep 2024 13:12 -0400, from hunguponcont...@gmail.com (Default User): >> Having both drives connected and spinning simultaneusly creates a >> window of opportunity for some nasty ransomware (or a software bug, >> mistake, power surge, whatever) to destroy both backups. Also why I would not wa

Re: backup of backup or alternating backups?

2024-09-30 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon Sep 30, 2024 at 5:39 PM BST, Default User wrote: > So, is there a consensus on which would be better:  > 1) continue to "mirror" drive A to drive B? > or, > 2) alternate backups daily between drives A and B? I'd go for (B), especially if you're continuing to do daily backups, so the oldest

Re: backup of backup or alternating backups?

2024-09-30 Thread Tim Woodall
On Mon, 30 Sep 2024, Default User wrote: Hi! On a thread at another mailing list, someone mentioned that they, each day, alternate doing backups between two external usb drives. That got me to thinking (which is always dangerous) . . . I have a full backup on usb external drive A, "refreshed"

Re: backup of backup or alternating backups?

2024-09-30 Thread Default User
On Mon, 2024-09-30 at 19:54 +0300, Henrik Ahlgren wrote: > On Mon, 2024-09-30 at 12:39 -0400, Default User wrote: > > But of course, any errors on drive A propagate daily to drive B. > > Having both drives connected and spinning simultaneusly creates a > window of opportunity for some nasty ranso

Re: backup of backup or alternating backups?

2024-09-30 Thread Henrik Ahlgren
On Mon, 2024-09-30 at 12:39 -0400, Default User wrote: > But of course, any errors on drive A propagate daily to drive B. Having both drives connected and spinning simultaneusly creates a window of opportunity for some nasty ransomware (or a software bug, mistake, power surge, whatever) to destro

Re: Backup.

2024-07-02 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > Thanks Thomas. Ideally I should find time to follow your suggestions > but already overcommitted to volunteer activities. I might have to wait > until -toc_info_type is in a Debian release. Yeah. Everybody has to follow the own timetable. So without any implied

Re: Backup.

2024-06-30 Thread eben
On 6/30/24 10:42, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > From: e...@gmx.us > Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2024 15:52:44 -0400 >> On one computer I use rsync ... > > See reply to Eduardo. Ah, you mean this one: On 6/30/24 10:36, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > From: Eduardo M KALINOWSKI > Date: Thu, 27

Re: Backup

2024-06-30 Thread Andy Smith
On Sun, Jun 30, 2024 at 08:19:54AM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > From: Andy Smith > Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2024 14:21:45 + > > What is this person doing? > > Keeping a historical backup by an efficient method. While refusing to look into any modern backup system designed by experienc

Re: Backup

2024-06-30 Thread peter
From: Andy Smith Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2024 14:21:45 + > What is this person doing? Keeping a historical backup by an efficient method. https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2024/06/msg00780.html > Just use borgbackup, restic, amanda or even rsnapshot (ancient but > still functional).

Re: Backup.

2024-06-30 Thread Anssi Saari
pe...@easthope.ca writes: > I'm beginning to learn Git. So I wonder about another approach where > files are in a local Git repository. That would allow tracing the > history of any file. A backup of the extant repository would still be > necessary. bup is a backup application using git.

Re: Backup.

2024-06-30 Thread peter
From: e...@gmx.us Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2024 15:52:44 -0400 > On one computer I use rsync ... See reply to Eduardo. Thx, ... P. -- VoIP: +1 604 670 0140 work: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/User:PeterEasthope

Re: Backup.

2024-06-30 Thread peter
From: Jerome BENOIT Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2024 21:53:44 +0200 > why did you not use something as backup2l ? Unaware of it. From: https://github.com/gkiefer/backup2l > The restore function allows to easily restore the state of the file > system or arbitrary directories/files of previous poin

Re: Backup.

2024-06-30 Thread tomas
On Sun, Jun 30, 2024 at 02:21:45PM +, Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, [...] > Git has some properties that are desirable for general backup > purposes, but also some fairly huge downsides. For example: > > - It's not efficient or performant for storing large binary files. [...] Plus, it doesn't

Re: Backup.

2024-06-30 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Sun, Jun 30, 2024 at 06:40:03AM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > I'm beginning to learn Git. So I wonder about another approach where > files are in a local Git repository. That would allow tracing the > history of any file. A backup of the extant repository would still be > nece

Re: Backup.

2024-06-30 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 30 Jun 2024 06:40 -0700, from pe...@easthope.ca: >> You could give the backups volume ids which tell the date. >> >> -volid BOB_"$(date '+%Y_%m_%d_%H%M%S')" >> >> (BOB = Backup Of Backup :)) > > I'm beginning to learn Git. So I wonder about another approach where > files are in a l

Re: Backup.

2024-06-30 Thread peter
From: "Thomas Schmitt" Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2024 23:35:31 +0200 > You could give the backups volume ids which tell the date. > > -volid BOB_"$(date '+%Y_%m_%d_%H%M%S')" > > (BOB = Backup Of Backup :)) I'm beginning to learn Git. So I wonder about another approach where files are

Re: Backup.

2024-06-30 Thread peter
From: "Thomas Schmitt" Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2024 23:35:31 +0200 > I am working on a solution for your non-unique volume id situation > by optionally referring to modification timestamps. > A new command -toc_info_type can switch -toc away from showing volume ids: > > $ xorriso -indev /dev/

Re: Backup.

2024-06-28 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > > xorriso -for_backup -dev /dev/sr0 \ > > Finding a file as it existed months or years ago can be tedious I wrote: > > You could give the backups volume ids which tell the date. pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > Thanks. I should have added that when you mentioned a few

Re: Backup.

2024-06-28 Thread peter
Hello Thomas & all, From: "Thomas Schmitt" Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2024 22:49:10 +0200 > You could give the backups volume ids which tell the date. Thanks. I should have added that when you mentioned a few years ago. > This would also make it possible to verify that the medium is either an

Re: Backup.

2024-06-27 Thread eben
On 6/27/24 15:52, e...@gmx.us wrote: > When I boot the file server (possibly today but definitely tomorrow) I'll > post my backup script. OK, it's pretty long so I won't post the whole thing, but the important lines are rsyncoptions="--archive --progress --verbose --recursive" "$rsync" $rsyncop

Re: Backup.

2024-06-27 Thread CHRIS M
On Thursday 27 June 2024 03:49:03 PM (-05:00), Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > > This function is applied every week or two to write to a DVD. > > xorriso -for_backup -dev /dev/sr0 \ > > -update_r . / \ > > -commit \ > > -toc -check_md5 fai

Re: Backup.

2024-06-27 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > This function is applied every week or two to write to a DVD. > xorriso -for_backup -dev /dev/sr0 \ > -update_r . / \ > -commit \ > -toc -check_md5 failure -- \ > -eject all ; > > Finding a file as it existed months or years ago c

Re: Backup.

2024-06-27 Thread Paul M Foster
On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 04:06:18PM -0300, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: > On 27/06/2024 15:23, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > > Now I have a pair of 500 GB external USB drives. Large compared to my > > working data of ~3 GB. Please suggest improvements to my backup > > system by exploiting these drive

Re: Backup.

2024-06-27 Thread Jerome BENOIT
Hello, why did you not use something as backup2l ? Best wishes, Jerome On 27/06/2024 20:23, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: Hi, My working data is in a directory we can refer to as A. A is on a removable flash store. "du -hs /home/me/A" reports 3.0G. I want a reliable backup of most files A/*. I c

Re: Backup.

2024-06-27 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 27 Jun 2024 16:06 -0300, from edua...@kalinowski.com.br (Eduardo M KALINOWSKI): >> Now I have a pair of 500 GB external USB drives. Large compared to my >> working data of ~3 GB. Please suggest improvements to my backup >> system by exploiting these drives. I can imagine a complete copy of A

Re: Backup.

2024-06-27 Thread eben
On 6/27/24 14:23, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: Finding a file as it existed months or years ago can be tedious. For example, find A/MailMessages as it was at 2023.02.07. Otherwise the backup system works well. On one computer I use rsync to do what appear to be complete backups, only files ident

Re: Backup.

2024-06-27 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
On 27/06/2024 15:23, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: Now I have a pair of 500 GB external USB drives. Large compared to my working data of ~3 GB. Please suggest improvements to my backup system by exploiting these drives. I can imagine a complete copy of A onto an external drive for each backup; but

Re: Backup systems

2023-09-05 Thread David Christensen
On 9/5/23 07:34, Michael Kjörling wrote: On 4 Sep 2023 13:57 -0700, from dpchr...@holgerdanske.com (David Christensen): * I am using zfs-auto-snapshot(8) for snapsnots. Are you using rsnapshot(1) for snapshots? No. I'm using ZFS snapshots on the source, but not for backup purposes. (I have co

Re: Backup systems

2023-09-05 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 4 Sep 2023 13:57 -0700, from dpchr...@holgerdanske.com (David Christensen): > * I am using zfs-auto-snapsnot(8) for snapsnots. Are you using rsnapsnot(1) > for snapshots? No. I'm using ZFS snapshots on the source, but not for backup purposes. (I have contemplated doing that, but it would incre

Re: Backup systems

2023-09-04 Thread David Christensen
On 9/4/23 00:53, Michael Kjörling wrote: On 3 Sep 2023 14:20 -0700, from dpchr...@holgerdanske.com (David Christensen): Without seeing a console session, I am unsure what you mean by "physically stored", "total logical (excluding effects of compression) data", and "hot current logical data ... (

Re: Backup systems

2023-09-04 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 3 Sep 2023 14:20 -0700, from dpchr...@holgerdanske.com (David Christensen): >> 8.07 TiB physically stored on one backup drive holding 174 backups; >> 11.4 TiB total logical (excluding effects of compression) data on the >> source; 7.83 TiB hot current logical data on the source (excluding >> thi

Re: Backup systems

2023-09-03 Thread David Christensen
On 9/3/23 03:02, Michael Kjörling wrote: 8.07 TiB physically stored on one backup drive holding 174 backups; 11.4 TiB total logical (excluding effects of compression) data on the source; 7.83 TiB hot current logical data on the source (excluding things like ZFS snapshots and compression). Which

Re: Backup systems

2023-09-03 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 2 Sep 2023 14:49 -0700, from dpchr...@holgerdanske.com (David Christensen): > So, 693 GB backup size, 98 backups, 67 TB apparent total backup storage, and > 777 GB actual total backup storage. So, a savings of about 88:1. > > What statistics are other readers seeing for similar use-cases and t

Re: Backup systems

2023-09-02 Thread David Christensen
On 9/2/23 15:26, Michel Verdier wrote: On 2023-09-02, David Christensen wrote: What statistics are other readers seeing for similar use-cases and their backup solutions? I have 83 backups resulting to 130% of data. So a ratio of 63:1. Nice. But because of performance limitation I don't

Re: Backup systems

2023-09-02 Thread David Christensen
On 9/2/23 12:15, Michel Verdier wrote: On 2023-09-02, Stefan Monnier wrote: I switched to Bup a few years ago and saw a significant reduction in the size of my backups that is partly due to the deduplication *between* machines (I backup several Debian machines to the same backup repository) as

Re: backup directory/file exclusion pattern list for borgbackup

2021-10-03 Thread Default User
On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 2:55 AM Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Sb, 02 oct 21, 19:56:02, Default User wrote: > > > > And . . . I make a special point of excluding: > > /media > > /media/* > > /mnt > > /mnt/* > > > > Why? > > > > Because long ago, when I was just learning to use rsync, I tried to > >

Re: backup directory/file exclusion pattern list for borgbackup

2021-10-02 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 02 oct 21, 19:56:02, Default User wrote: > > And . . . I make a special point of excluding: > /media > /media/* > /mnt > /mnt/* > > Why? > > Because long ago, when I was just learning to use rsync, I tried to > use it to do a full-system backup. Since nobody told me that /mnt and > /med

Re: backup directory/file exclusion pattern list for borgbackup

2021-10-02 Thread Default User
On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 1:54 AM deloptes wrote: > > Default User wrote: > > > Hello! > > > > I want to try using borgbackup to do backups of my (only) user directory: > > /home/debian-user > > > > I just want to do so using Vorta, a GUI for borgbackup. > > > > But I just need a good, general list

Re: backup directory/file exclusion pattern list for borgbackup

2021-09-27 Thread deloptes
Default User wrote: > Hello! > > I want to try using borgbackup to do backups of my (only) user directory: > /home/debian-user > > I just want to do so using Vorta, a GUI for borgbackup. > > But I just need a good, general list of directory and file type > exclusions that I can just cut and pas

Re: backup directory/file exclusion pattern list for borgbackup

2021-09-26 Thread Kushal Kumaran
[slightly re-arranged segments below] On Sat, Sep 25 2021 at 09:03:37 PM, Default User wrote: > > In Vorta, under the "Sources" tab, there is an area (window) for input > into which you can type or paste text, such as: > > **/.cache > > to denote exclusions, that is, things you do not want to ba

Re: backup directory/file exclusion pattern list for borgbackup

2021-09-26 Thread Marco Möller
On 26.09.21 00:24, Default User wrote: Hello! I want to try using borgbackup to do backups of my (only) user directory: /home/debian-user I just want to do so using Vorta, a GUI for borgbackup. But I just need a good, general list of directory and file type exclusions that I can just cut and p

Re: backup directory/file exclusion pattern list for borgbackup

2021-09-26 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 25 sep 21, 21:03:37, Default User wrote: > > to denote exclusions, that is, things you do not want to back up. > This is from /home/debian_user/.config/backintime/config: > > . . . > profile1.snapshots.exclude.1.value=.gvfs > profile1.snapshots.exclude.2.value=.cache/* > profile1.snapshots

Re: backup directory/file exclusion pattern list for borgbackup

2021-09-25 Thread Default User
On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 8:04 PM Kushal Kumaran wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 25 2021 at 06:24:12 PM, Default User > wrote: > > Hello! > > > > I want to try using borgbackup to do backups of my (only) user directory: > > /home/debian-user > > > > I just want to do so using Vorta, a GUI for borgbackup. >

Re: backup directory/file exclusion pattern list for borgbackup

2021-09-25 Thread Kushal Kumaran
On Sat, Sep 25 2021 at 06:24:12 PM, Default User wrote: > Hello! > > I want to try using borgbackup to do backups of my (only) user directory: > /home/debian-user > > I just want to do so using Vorta, a GUI for borgbackup. > > But I just need a good, general list of directory and file type > excl

Re: Backup debconf state

2021-01-19 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2021-01-19 16:09 +0100, Erwan David wrote: > Hello everybody > > If I want to be able to fast reinstall a debian after a crash, I > already backup /etc (including /etc/apt), a file with the output of > apt-show manual > to get the list of manually installed packages, /etc, but It would be > han

Re: Backup debconf state

2021-01-19 Thread Erwan David
Le 19/01/2021 à 16:23, Andy Smith a écrit : Hi Erwan, On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 04:09:47PM +0100, Erwan David wrote: It would be handy to have the state of debconf (with all the answers I already gave). I do: dpkg --get-selections \* > /var/lib/dpkg_selections debconf-get-selections > /var/lib

Re: Backup debconf state

2021-01-19 Thread Andy Smith
Hi Erwan, On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 04:09:47PM +0100, Erwan David wrote: > It would be handy to have the state of debconf (with all the > answers I already gave). I do: dpkg --get-selections \* > /var/lib/dpkg_selections debconf-get-selections > /var/lib/debconf_selections (and then back up those

Re: Backup ideas

2020-05-03 Thread Default User
Hi to all. I want to thank you all very much for taking the time to reply to this thread. Your replies have indeed been most thoughtful and informative, and you have given me much to consider. The subject of data protection and preservation seems to be not only quite extensive, but also seems t

Re: Backup ideas

2020-05-01 Thread Alessandro Baggi
3 - Now on to the subject of backing up a system. I am using rsync as my primary backup tool. Celejar, thank you for suggesting borg. I did install it and look at it briefly. But for several reasons, I'm not sure I want to use that right now. It is of course one more thing to learn, use, an

Re: Backup ideas

2020-04-28 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 20:37:27 + Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:43:22AM -0400, Default User wrote: ... > The thing about cloud storage is that it is generic and it is easy. > Once you come up with a means to backup to an S3-compatible storage, > should your data di

Re: Backup ideas

2020-04-28 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 11:43:22 -0400 Default User wrote: > On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:28 PM Celejar wrote: ... > 3 - Now on to the subject of backing up a system. I am using rsync as > my primary backup tool. Celejar, thank you for suggesting borg. I > did install it and look at it briefly. B

Re: Backup ideas

2020-04-28 Thread Bob Weber
On 4/28/20 3:15 PM, Default User wrote: On 2020-04-28 [TU] at 14:18 EDT, Bob Weber said: According to the manual the -x option is: -x, --one-file-system don't cross filesystem boundaries Question: When you use rsync, do you ever do it on a live, mounted filesystem from within said mac

Re: Backup ideas

2020-04-28 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:43:22AM -0400, Default User wrote: > Andy, you mentioned restic, which I am not familiar with. Similar > considerations would seem to apply to that also. But I might also try > that out later. Note that you did not state any of these requirements for only using

Re: Backup ideas

2020-04-28 Thread David Christensen
On 2020-04-28 12:15, Default User wrote: I don't recall the specific error code I got; just that it refused to do a sync using the -x option. I keep a plain text system administration log file for each computer in CVS. I cut and paste console sessions into it. If a given command produces

Re: Backup ideas

2020-04-28 Thread Default User
On 2020-04-28 [TU] at 14:18 EDT, Bob Weber said: > According to the manual the -x option is: > > -x, --one-file-system don't cross filesystem boundaries > > I use that option all the time to keep from backing up my large home > > directory when I only > want the system directories under ro

Re: Backup ideas

2020-04-28 Thread Default User
On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 12:16 PM Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Ma, 28 apr 20, 11:43:22, Default User wrote: > > > Andy Smith wrote: > > > > 1 - First, regarding: > > > [vast mounts of quoted text snipped - please don't quote too much!] > > > > I didn't realize some trimming might be needed. I gue

Re: Backup ideas

2020-04-28 Thread Bob Weber
6 - Finally, using rsync I actually am doing two separate backups: date; sudo rsync -avvzHAXPSish --delete --stats --exclude={"/dev/*","/proc/*","/sys/*","/tmp/*","/run/*","/mnt/*","/media/*","/lost+found","/home/default/*"} / /media/default/USBHD005/Backup_of_Dell_Debian_dimwit/root_partition

Re: Backup ideas

2020-04-28 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 28 apr 20, 11:43:22, Default User wrote: > > Andy Smith wrote: > > 1 - First, regarding: > > [vast mounts of quoted text snipped - please don't quote too much!] > > I didn't realize some trimming might be needed. I guess I just > figured you can't scroll through an email for information

Re: Backup ideas

2020-04-28 Thread Default User
On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:28 PM Celejar wrote: > > On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 15:34:24 + > Andy Smith wrote: > > ... > > > Something like restic backup is a very good all around solution. > > OP: also look at borg. > > > You could consider backing up to a cloud like Amazon S3. Using the > > Infrequ

Re: Backup ideas

2020-04-24 Thread Celejar
On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 15:34:24 + Andy Smith wrote: ... > Something like restic backup is a very good all around solution. OP: also look at borg. > You could consider backing up to a cloud like Amazon S3. Using the > Infrequent Access or Glacier storage classes you can store 100s of > gigabyt

Re: Backup Times on a Linux desktop

2019-11-12 Thread Charles Curley
Thanks for the feedback. On Tue, 05 Nov 2019 23:35:05 +0100 Linux-Fan wrote: > Charles Curley writes: > > > https://charlescurley.com/blog/posts/2019/Nov/02/backups-on-linux/index.html > > > > [...] > > Thanks for sharing! I appreciate that I am not the only one with a > backup system com

Re: Backup Times on a Linux desktop

2019-11-05 Thread Linux-Fan
Charles Curley writes: On Sat, 02 Nov 2019 20:24:52 +0100 Konstantin Nebel wrote: [...] > So now I am thinking. How should I approach backups. On windows it > does magically backups and remind me when they didnt run for a while. > I like that attitude. > > On linux with all that decision fr

Re: Backup Times on a Linux desktop

2019-11-05 Thread Charles Curley
On Sat, 02 Nov 2019 20:24:52 +0100 Konstantin Nebel wrote: > Now i attached a 4 tb drive to my pi and I decided what the heck, why > not doing backups now. > > So now I am thinking. How should I approach backups. On windows it > does magically backups and remind me when they didnt run for a whil

Re: Backup Times on a Linux desktop

2019-11-05 Thread Stefan Monnier
> On linux with all that decision freedom it can be good and bad cause you have > to think about things :D All the answers I've seen mention the use of "cron" but I'm not sure what they mean by that, nor am I sure what is your typical use of the desktop (e.g. is it always ON?), so I think it's wor

Re: Backup Times on a Linux desktop

2019-11-05 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Suppose that you backup 2000 files in a day and inside this backup a chunk > is deduped and referenced by 300 files. If the deduped chunk is broken > I think you will lost it on 300 referenced files/chunks. This is not good > for me. I don't know what other backup software does, but at least `bu

Re: Backup Times on a Linux desktop

2019-11-05 Thread Alessandro Baggi
On 04/11/19 20:43, deloptes wrote: Alessandro Baggi wrote: If I'm not wrong deduplication "is a technique for eliminating duplicate copies of repeating data". I'm not a borg expert and it performs deduplication on data chunk. Suppose that you backup 2000 files in a day and inside this backup

Re: Backup Times on a Linux desktop

2019-11-04 Thread Charles Curley
On Mon, 4 Nov 2019 06:01:54 -1000 Joel Roth wrote: > These days I use rsync with the --link-dest option to make > complete Time-Machine(tm) style backups using hardlinks to > avoid file duplication in the common case. In this > scenario, the top-level directory is typically named based > on date

Re: Backup Times on a Linux desktop

2019-11-04 Thread Joel Roth
On Mon, Nov 04, 2019, Charles Curley wrote: > On Mon, 4 Nov 2019 06:01:54 -1000 > Joel Roth wrote: > > > These days I use rsync with the --link-dest option to make > > complete Time-Machine(tm) style backups using hardlinks to > > avoid file duplication in the common case. In this > > scenario,

Re: Backup Times on a Linux desktop

2019-11-04 Thread deloptes
Alessandro Baggi wrote: > If I'm not wrong deduplication "is a technique for eliminating duplicate > copies of repeating data". > > I'm not a borg expert and it performs deduplication on data chunk. > > Suppose that you backup 2000 files in a day and inside this backup a > chunk is deduped and r

Re: Backup Times on a Linux desktop

2019-11-04 Thread Joel Roth
On Sat, Nov 02, 2019, Konstantin Nebel wrote: > So now I am thinking. How should I approach backups. On windows it does > magically backups and remind me when they didnt run for a while. I like that > attitude. (...) > I like to turn off > my computer at night. So a backup running in night is not

Re: Backup Times on a Linux desktop

2019-11-04 Thread Alessandro Baggi
On 04/11/19 15:41, deloptes wrote: Not sure if true - for example you make daily, weekly and monthly backups (classical) Lets focus on the daily part. On day 3 the files is broken. You have to recover from day 2. The file is not broken for day 2 - correct?! If I'm not wrong deduplication "is a

Re: Backup Times on a Linux desktop

2019-11-04 Thread Linux-Fan
deloptes writes: Alessandro Baggi wrote: > Borg seems very promising but I performs only push request at the moment > and I need pull request. It offers deduplication, encryption and much > more. > > One word on deduplication: it is a great feature to save space, with > deduplication compressio

Re: Backup Times on a Linux desktop

2019-11-04 Thread deloptes
Alessandro Baggi wrote: > Borg seems very promising but I performs only push request at the moment > and I need pull request. It offers deduplication, encryption and much > more. > > One word on deduplication: it is a great feature to save space, with > deduplication compression ops (that could r

Re: Backup Times on a Linux desktop

2019-11-04 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sun, Nov 03, 2019 at 02:47:46AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: Just 4 or 5 days ago, I had to recover the linuxcnc configs from a backup of the pi3, making a scratch dir here at home, then scanned my database for the last level0 of the pi3b, pulled that out with amrecover then copied what I needed

Re: Backup Times on a Linux desktop

2019-11-04 Thread Jonathan Dowland
I'll respond on the issue of triggering the backup, rather than the specific backup software itself, because my solution for triggering is separate from the backup software I use (rdiff-backup). I trigger (some) backup jobs via systemd units, that are triggered by the insertion of my removeable

Re: Backup Times on a Linux desktop

2019-11-04 Thread Alessandro Baggi
On 02/11/19 20:24, Konstantin Nebel wrote: Hi, this is basically a question, what you guys prefer and do. I have a Linux destkop and recently I decided to buy a raspberry pi 4 (great device) and already after a couple days I do not know how I lived without it. So why Raspberrypi. In the past I

Re: Backup Times on a Linux desktop

2019-11-03 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 03 November 2019 01:49:15 ghe wrote: > > On Nov 2, 2019, at 05:42 PM, Linux-Fan wrote: > > > > Konstantin Nebel writes: > >> this is basically a question, what you guys prefer and do. I have a > >> Linux destkop and recently I decided to buy a raspberry pi 4 (great > >> device) and > >

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