On Sat 14 Aug 2021 at 15:31:07 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> On 2021-08-14 2:44 p.m., Brian wrote:
[...]
>
> > A Mopria-certified printer is not a reliable indicator of driverless
> > printing being possible on Debian.
> >
>
> If you say so, I'll agree with you because there'
On 2021-08-14 2:44 p.m., Brian wrote:
> On Thu 12 Aug 2021 at 19:03:23 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>
>> On 2021-08-12 6:27 p.m., Brian wrote:
>>> On Thu 12 Aug 2021 at 15:33:26 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>>>
>>> Please give a link at the Mopria website substa
On Thu 12 Aug 2021 at 19:03:23 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> On 2021-08-12 6:27 p.m., Brian wrote:
> > On Thu 12 Aug 2021 at 15:33:26 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> >
> > Please give a link at the Mopria website substantiating your clain that
> > a Mopria certif
On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 18:29:02 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
[...]
> I'm using a Xerox B205 MFC and it's fully supported. Yes it's laser but
> the reason I am writing this message regard something else.
>
> It's the support of MOPRIA.
Looks like an idea worth examining. Let's lo
On Fri 13 Aug 2021 at 16:05:15 -, Curt wrote:
> On 2021-08-13, Nicolas George wrote:
> >
> > I used the word "driver" in the technical sense: the piece of code in
> > the operating system (in the widest possible sense) that makes it
> > possible to use the device. In that sense a mouse requir
On 2021-08-13 1:08 a.m., deloptes wrote:
> Brian wrote:
>
>> Please give a link at the Mopria website substantiating your clain that
>> a Mopria certified device should be ca[able of accepting PDF as a PDL
>> in addition to PWG raster and PCLm.
>>
>>> And all of the condition make a printer pret
On 2021-08-13, Nicolas George wrote:
>
> I used the word "driver" in the technical sense: the piece of code in
> the operating system (in the widest possible sense) that makes it
> possible to use the device. In that sense a mouse requires the driver in
But here the "driver," in your sense of the
Brian (12021-08-13):
> Consider a driverless car. It is not really driverless in the sense
> you espouse. Otherwise it would not be going anywhere, would it?
> From the point of view of the passengers and the Authorities there
> isn't a human driver.
Exactly. "Driverless" uses the word "driver" as
On Fri 13 Aug 2021 at 15:26:03 +0200, Nicolas George wrote:
> Brian (12021-08-13):
> > Did you read the Release Notes for Bullseye? (No advice on cat controls,
> > though :) ).
>
> Enough to upgrade, but I do not know what it has to do with connecting a
> printer to an OpenWRT router.
There is a
Brian (12021-08-13):
> Did you read the Release Notes for Bullseye? (No advice on cat controls,
> though :) ).
Enough to upgrade, but I do not know what it has to do with connecting a
printer to an OpenWRT router.
> Also, the printing system does not have a unified driver. The drivers
> used depe
On Fri 13 Aug 2021 at 13:10:46 +0200, Nicolas George wrote:
> Hi.
>
> We finally found an HP DeskJet 2723e at a closer vendor; in terms of
> price and bulk it was much closer to to or needs the one we had and the
> cat broke.
>
> I first set it up on wifi only. I used the proprietary HP applicat
On 8/13/21 2:48 PM, deloptes wrote:
For me it is not a problem, I simply ignore her posts
- Quite, quite :)
.
On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 07:43:35AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
[...]
> I don't think tomas felt he was under personal attack, but that he perceived
> a
> personal attack on Polyna.
Good catch, thanks :-)
Cheers
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rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I do not insult anyone and do not attack people, please stop with this BS
>> of excuse by political correctness.
>
> I don't think tomas felt he was under personal attack, but that he
> perceived a personal attack on Polyna
And I understood completely well.
So I hope
On Friday, August 13, 2021 02:42:55 AM deloptes wrote:
> to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > Can we please avoid personal insults?
> >
> > Each of us has his/her difficult points. If you have issues with
> > those points, by all means, speak up. But **attacking people
> > personally** does not belong in t
Hi.
We finally found an HP DeskJet 2723e at a closer vendor; in terms of
price and bulk it was much closer to to or needs the one we had and the
cat broke.
I first set it up on wifi only. I used the proprietary HP application on
my phone, it used bluetooth to give the wifi password to the printer
On Fri 13 Aug 2021 at 06:29:52 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 2021-08-13 6:12 a.m., Brian wrote:
> > On Thu 12 Aug 2021 at 18:56:58 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> On 2021-08-12 6:27 p.m., Brian wrote:
> >>> On Thu 12 Aug 2021 at 1
Hi,
On 2021-08-13 6:12 a.m., Brian wrote:
> On Thu 12 Aug 2021 at 18:56:58 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 2021-08-12 6:27 p.m., Brian wrote:
>>> On Thu 12 Aug 2021 at 15:33:26 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>>>
Hi,
On 2021-08-12 3:22
On Fri 13 Aug 2021 at 09:10:06 -, Curt wrote:
> On 2021-08-12, Brian wrote:
> >
> >> Possibility to send the data in PDF format directly (or JPG)
> >> Auto discovery of the services offered thru "Bonjour".
> >
> > Please give a link at the Mopria website substantiating your clain that
> > a M
On Thu 12 Aug 2021 at 18:56:58 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 2021-08-12 6:27 p.m., Brian wrote:
> > On Thu 12 Aug 2021 at 15:33:26 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> On 2021-08-12 3:22 p.m., Brian wrote:
> >>> On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 1
On 2021-08-12, Brian wrote:
>
>> Possibility to send the data in PDF format directly (or JPG)
>> Auto discovery of the services offered thru "Bonjour".
>
> Please give a link at the Mopria website substantiating your clain that
> a Mopria certified device should be ca[able of accepting PDF as a PD
On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 09:03:11AM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> deloptes wrote:
> > > I think she is extreme left ...
>
> Would be no surprise with our little commie operating system.
This list wouldn't be the same without your humour.
(and of course without your deep knowledge you s
Hi,
deloptes wrote:
> > I think she is extreme left ...
Would be no surprise with our little commie operating system.
Have a nice day :)
Thomas
to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> I strongly disagree.
>
me too
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On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 08:42:55AM +0200, deloptes wrote:
> to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>
> > Can we please avoid personal insults?
> I do not insult anyone and do not attack people [...]
I strongly disagree.
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to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> Can we please avoid personal insults?
>
> Each of us has his/her difficult points. If you have issues with
> those points, by all means, speak up. But **attacking people
> personally** does not belong in this list.
I do not insult anyone and do not attack people, please
On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 07:08:06AM +0200, deloptes wrote:
> Brian wrote:
>
> > Please give a link at the Mopria website substantiating your clain that
> > a Mopria certified device should be ca[able of accepting PDF as a PDL
> > in addition to PWG raster and PCLm.
> >
> >> And all of the conditio
On 13-08-2021 15:08, deloptes wrote:
> Brian wrote:
>
>> Please give a link at the Mopria website substantiating your clain that
>> a Mopria certified device should be ca[able of accepting PDF as a PDL
>> in addition to PWG raster and PCLm.
>>
>>> And all of the condition make a printer pretty muc
Brian wrote:
> Please give a link at the Mopria website substantiating your clain that
> a Mopria certified device should be ca[able of accepting PDF as a PDL
> in addition to PWG raster and PCLm.
>
>> And all of the condition make a printer pretty much driver less.
>>
>> There's no link with yo
Hi,
On 2021-08-12 6:27 p.m., Brian wrote:
> On Thu 12 Aug 2021 at 15:33:26 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 2021-08-12 3:22 p.m., Brian wrote:
>>> On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 18:29:02 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
I'm using a Xerox B
Hi,
On 2021-08-12 6:27 p.m., Brian wrote:
> On Thu 12 Aug 2021 at 15:33:26 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 2021-08-12 3:22 p.m., Brian wrote:
>>> On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 18:29:02 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
I'm using a Xerox B
On Thu 12 Aug 2021 at 15:33:26 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 2021-08-12 3:22 p.m., Brian wrote:
> > On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 18:29:02 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> >> I'm using a Xerox B205 MFC and it's fully supported. Yes it's lase
Hi,
On 2021-08-12 3:22 p.m., Brian wrote:
> On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 18:29:02 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> I'm using a Xerox B205 MFC and it's fully supported. Yes it's laser but
>> the reason I am writing this message regard something else.
>>
>> It's the support of
On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 18:29:02 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
[...]
> I'm using a Xerox B205 MFC and it's fully supported. Yes it's laser but
> the reason I am writing this message regard something else.
>
> It's the support of MOPRIA.
> Even if it's mostly made for Android, what
On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 18:31:45 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 2021-08-10 10:14 a.m., Nicolas George wrote:
> > Hi.
> >
> > We need to replace an all-in-one printer-scanner, a HP Deskjet 3054A.
> >
> > Based on past experience, I am favoring HP, because AFAIK they mos
On Wed 11 Aug 2021 at 09:13:36 +0200, Nicolas George wrote:
> Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside (12021-08-10):
> > It's the support of MOPRIA.
> > Even if it's mostly made for Android, what it does is offer a discovery
> > and printing protocol compatible with all CUPS system (will publish IP
> > en
On Wed 11 Aug 2021 at 16:28:04 +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> Le 11/08/2021 à 16:01, Brian a écrit :
>
> > The point of "profiles" is to provide a simple way for enterprises to
> > configure/deploy IPP Everywhere queues (pointed at real printers, a
> > central CUPS server, etc.) when mDNS/DNS-SD isn
Le 11/08/2021 à 16:01, Brian a écrit :
The point of "profiles" is to provide a simple way for enterprises to
configure/deploy IPP Everywhere queues (pointed at real printers, a
central CUPS server, etc.) when mDNS/DNS-SD isn't feasible.
In most enterprises, it will be "you want linux ? Ok, bu
On Wed 11 Aug 2021 at 14:15:49 +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> Le 11/08/2021 à 12:36, Brian a écrit :
> > On Wed 11 Aug 2021 at 08:19:37 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 10 Aug 2021 19:54:23 +0100
> > > Brian wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Brian,
> > >
> > > > As I've said previously, a futur
On Wed 11 Aug 2021 at 13:20:37 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Aug 2021 12:00:51 - (UTC)
> Curt wrote:
>
> Hello Curt,
>
> >Will I have to toss my trusty Brother HL-2030, brother? Fork Cups, I
> >guess, and full speed ahead.
>
> Unless I'm reading it wrong (github post Brian cited e
On Wed 11 Aug 2021 at 12:39:46 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Aug 2021 11:36:40 +0100
> Brian wrote:
>
> Hello Brian,
>
> >a future CUPS will not work with PPDs and driver
>
> Indeed, you mentioned that previously (I'd forgotten already). However,
> checking the github post you cite i
On Wed 11 Aug 2021 at 12:00:51 -, Curt wrote:
> On 2021-08-11, Brian wrote:
> >>
> >> When, eventually, all HP printers run driverless _and_ no no-driverless
> >> printer exist 'in the wild', yes. Until then, I'd expect HPLIP to
> >> remain. Debian is, after all, about choice.
> >
> > The
On Wed, 11 Aug 2021 12:00:51 - (UTC)
Curt wrote:
Hello Curt,
>Will I have to toss my trusty Brother HL-2030, brother? Fork Cups, I
>guess, and full speed ahead.
Unless I'm reading it wrong (github post Brian cited elsewhere in this
thread), mechanisms are in place for existing printers that
On Wed, 11 Aug 2021 11:36:40 +0100
Brian wrote:
Hello Brian,
>a future CUPS will not work with PPDs and driver
Indeed, you mentioned that previously (I'd forgotten already). However,
checking the github post you cite in another message (to this list), it
would appear apple are putting in place
Le 11/08/2021 à 12:36, Brian a écrit :
On Wed 11 Aug 2021 at 08:19:37 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
On Tue, 10 Aug 2021 19:54:23 +0100
Brian wrote:
Hello Brian,
As I've said previously, a future CUPS will not support printer drivers.
HPLIP provides printer drivers. There will be little point in
On Wednesday 11 August 2021 08:00:51 Curt wrote:
> On 2021-08-11, Brian wrote:
> >> When, eventually, all HP printers run driverless _and_ no
> >> no-driverless printer exist 'in the wild', yes. Until then, I'd
> >> expect HPLIP to remain. Debian is, after all, about choice.
> >
> > The conditi
On 2021-08-11, Brian wrote:
>>
>> When, eventually, all HP printers run driverless _and_ no no-driverless
>> printer exist 'in the wild', yes. Until then, I'd expect HPLIP to
>> remain. Debian is, after all, about choice.
>
> The condition you lay down in the first sentence is not a factor in
>
On Wed 11 Aug 2021 at 13:42:00 +0300, Reco wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 11:14:10AM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > On Wed 11 Aug 2021 at 08:00:44 +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > Le 10/08/2021 à 21:48, Brian a écrit :
> > > > On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 20:57:56 +0200, Erwan David wrote:
On Wed 11 Aug 2021 at 04:21:06 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
[...]
> I doubt that driver will really be gone as printer have specific options
> like the number of drawer, the precision (DPI) and much more.
>
> Often I've read "XYZ will have no place in the future" but still is
>
Hi.
On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 11:14:10AM +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Wed 11 Aug 2021 at 08:00:44 +0200, Erwan David wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > Le 10/08/2021 à 21:48, Brian a écrit :
> > > On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 20:57:56 +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > We'll see at that time, especiall
On Wed 11 Aug 2021 at 08:19:37 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Aug 2021 19:54:23 +0100
> Brian wrote:
>
> Hello Brian,
>
> >As I've said previously, a future CUPS will not support printer drivers.
> >HPLIP provides printer drivers. There will be little point in Debian
> >packaging HPLIP,
On Wed 11 Aug 2021 at 08:00:44 +0200, Erwan David wrote:
[...]
> Le 10/08/2021 à 21:48, Brian a écrit :
> > On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 20:57:56 +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> > > >
> > > We'll see at that time, especially since what I read from
> > > https://wiki.debian.org/CUPSDriverlessPrinting makes
Hi,
On 2021-08-10 1:56 p.m., Erwan David wrote:
> Le 10/08/2021 à 16:59, Brian a écrit :
>>
>> CUPS will cease to support drivers and PPDs in the coming years. Users
>> may as well come to terms with driverless printing. HPLIP and other
>> vendor drivers will not have any place in a future CUPS.
Hi,
On 2021-08-11 3:13 a.m., Nicolas George wrote:
> Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside (12021-08-10):
>> It's the support of MOPRIA.
>> Even if it's mostly made for Android, what it does is offer a discovery
>> and printing protocol compatible with all CUPS system (will publish IP
>> endpoint that s
On Tue, 10 Aug 2021 19:54:23 +0100
Brian wrote:
Hello Brian,
>As I've said previously, a future CUPS will not support printer drivers.
>HPLIP provides printer drivers. There will be little point in Debian
>packaging HPLIP, wouldn't you agree? But this is a few years away.
When, eventually, all
Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside (12021-08-10):
> It's the support of MOPRIA.
> Even if it's mostly made for Android, what it does is offer a discovery
> and printing protocol compatible with all CUPS system (will publish IP
> endpoint that support PostScript, PCL and PDF, all depending on the
> pri
Le 10/08/2021 à 21:48, Brian a écrit :
On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 20:57:56 +0200, Erwan David wrote:
Le 10/08/2021 à 20:54, Brian a écrit :
On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 19:01:30 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
On Tue, 10 Aug 2021 18:44:18 +0100
Brian wrote:
Hello Brian,
Thank you for the response, Brad. I
Hi,
On 2021-08-10 10:14 a.m., Nicolas George wrote:
> Hi.
>
> We need to replace an all-in-one printer-scanner, a HP Deskjet 3054A.
>
> Based on past experience, I am favoring HP, because AFAIK they mostly
> play fair about Libre drivers, and their ink is too expensive but not
> insanely so. The
Hi,
On 2021-08-10 10:14 a.m., Nicolas George wrote:
> Hi.
>
> We need to replace an all-in-one printer-scanner, a HP Deskjet 3054A.
>
> Based on past experience, I am favoring HP, because AFAIK they mostly
> play fair about Libre drivers, and their ink is too expensive but not
> insanely so. The
On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 20:57:56 +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> Le 10/08/2021 à 20:54, Brian a écrit :
> > On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 19:01:30 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 10 Aug 2021 18:44:18 +0100
> >> Brian wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello Brian,
> >>
> >>> Thank you for the response, Brad. I see th
Le 10/08/2021 à 20:54, Brian a écrit :
> On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 19:01:30 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 10 Aug 2021 18:44:18 +0100
>> Brian wrote:
>>
>> Hello Brian,
>>
>>> Thank you for the response, Brad. I see the point about applet verus web
>> NP, Brian.
>>
>>> page. To my mind it is n
On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 19:56:21 +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> Le 10/08/2021 à 16:59, Brian a écrit :
> >
> > CUPS will cease to support drivers and PPDs in the coming years. Users
> > may as well come to terms with driverless printing. HPLIP and other
> > vendor drivers will not have any place in a f
On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 19:01:30 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Aug 2021 18:44:18 +0100
> Brian wrote:
>
> Hello Brian,
>
> >Thank you for the response, Brad. I see the point about applet verus web
>
> NP, Brian.
>
> >page. To my mind it is not a showstopper.
>
> Nor to me. It's simpl
On Tue, 10 Aug 2021 18:44:18 +0100
Brian wrote:
Hello Brian,
>Thank you for the response, Brad. I see the point about applet verus web
NP, Brian.
>page. To my mind it is not a showstopper.
Nor to me. It's simply convenient.
>Enjoy the applet while you can.
Probably when I get a new machine
Le 10/08/2021 à 16:59, Brian a écrit :
>
> CUPS will cease to support drivers and PPDs in the coming years. Users
> may as well come to terms with driverless printing. HPLIP and other
> vendor drivers will not have any place in a future CUPS.
>
Do you have some pointers to what we must do to use
On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 17:51:46 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Aug 2021 17:18:30 +0100
> Brian wrote:
>
> Hello Brian,
>
> >I can understand using HPLIP instead of driverless printing if you
> >had a USB connection and were on buster, but not if the device has
> >a network connection or
On Tue, 10 Aug 2021 17:18:30 +0100
Brian wrote:
Hello Brian,
>I can understand using HPLIP instead of driverless printing if you
>had a USB connection and were on buster, but not if the device has
>a network connection or is on bullseye. Does choosing to employ
Hang over from a previous HP prin
On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 15:34:52 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Aug 2021 16:14:38 +0200
> Nicolas George wrote:
>
> Hello Nicolas,
>
> >insanely so. The HP OfficeJet 8012 seems the most interesting available
> >at my preferred vendor (LDLC).
>
> That's the one I've got here. Runs fine.
Brian (12021-08-10):
> Over the years HP has been a stalwart supporter of Linix printing and
> imaging via HPLIP. However, any *modern* MFD made by HP supports a
> driverless printing environment such as the one Debian provides. HPLIP
> is, in fact, redundant with a modern MFD.
> You are not mista
On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 16:14:38 +0200, Nicolas George wrote:
> Hi.
>
> We need to replace an all-in-one printer-scanner, a HP Deskjet 3054A.
>
> Based on past experience, I am favoring HP, because AFAIK they mostly
> play fair about Libre drivers, and their ink is too expensive but not
> insanely
On Tue, 10 Aug 2021 16:14:38 +0200
Nicolas George wrote:
Hello Nicolas,
>insanely so. The HP OfficeJet 8012 seems the most interesting available
>at my preferred vendor (LDLC).
That's the one I've got here. Runs fine.
There's one oddity, if you use HP Device Manager - When the GUI first
comes
On 08/10/2021 10:14 AM, Nicolas George wrote:
Hi.
We need to replace an all-in-one printer-scanner, a HP Deskjet 3054A.
Based on past experience, I am favoring HP, because AFAIK they mostly
play fair about Libre drivers, and their ink is too expensive but not
insanely so. The HP OfficeJet 80
On 8/10/21 7:14 AM, Nicolas George wrote:
Hi.
We need to replace an all-in-one printer-scanner, a HP Deskjet 3054A.
Based on past experience, I am favoring HP, because AFAIK they mostly
play fair about Libre drivers, and their ink is too expensive but not
insanely so. The HP OfficeJet 8012 se
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