Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on

1998-11-09 Thread Leandro GFC Dutra
Stefan Nobis wrote: > > Dave McFadden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > If MS is successful at 'embracing and extending' Java, then HTML, TCP/IP > > and the OSS world will soon feel the suffocating arms of MS wrapped around > > them. How does HTML and TCP/IP depends on Java? Java will o

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on

1998-11-09 Thread Stefan Nobis
Dave McFadden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If MS is successful at 'embracing and extending' Java, then HTML, TCP/IP > and the OSS world will soon feel the suffocating arms of MS wrapped around > them. Hey, don't forget some people even managed to decode SMB for NT in the SAMBA project. If MS re

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on

1998-11-07 Thread Dave McFadden
At 11:46 PM 11/7/98 +1100, Hamish Moffat wisely observed: >He makes the point that IBM developed Token Ring to decommodize Ethernet. >That may be true, but Token Ring was a better system than Ethernet. As >MCA is/was better than ISA. Both of these lost out because they required >licensing. Is there

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on

1998-11-07 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Fri, Nov 06, 1998 at 06:48:31AM -0500, John Forest wrote: > While all this cloak and dagger stuff makes for good entertainment, I believe > the following link sums up my feeling on this a lot better then I could. > > http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit19981105.html He makes the point tha

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on

1998-11-06 Thread John Forest
Hi, While all this cloak and dagger stuff makes for good entertainment, I believe the following link sums up my feeling on this a lot better then I could. http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit19981105.html Got that from http://slashdot.org John.

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on

1998-11-06 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Fri, Nov 06, 1998 at 11:14:47AM +, Jiri Baum wrote: > Just because it's confidential doesn't mean it wasn't leaked > intentionally... Say with a view of getting some feedback on their > analysis from us. Perhaps unlikely, but possible. Indeed. The memo mentions that they have list archives

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on why MS is in trouble from OpenSource OSes like Linux

1998-11-06 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, Nov 04, 1998 at 12:09:54PM +0100, Roberto Ripio wrote: > El Wed, 04 Nov 1998, Chad A. Adlawan escribió: > > http://www.opensource.org/halloween.html Very interesting. I can't believe they describe Gimp 1.0 as Paintbrush. At least they weren't stupid enough to say nasty things about Pe

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on

1998-11-06 Thread Jiri Baum
Hello, George Bonser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 5 Nov 1998, Jiri Baum wrote: ... [extra level of indenting still Jiri] > > > While this appears at first sight to be a classic play out of the > > > Microsoft handbook, there is a subtle but very important > > > distinction. By releasing th

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on

1998-11-06 Thread Jiri Baum
Hello, rick wrote: > chuck asked, > > > Me too! I'm usually a very cautious person...How do we *know* that this ... > There's enough in there contrary to the ms party line that it's quite > clear that it's confidential. Just because it's confidential doesn't mean it wasn't leaked intentionally

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on

1998-11-06 Thread Martin Bialasinski
>> "NEN" == Nathan E Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: NEN> Never assume that people, especially management, are rational. Well, I am studying economics. I hope me and others can turn this around sometime in the future :-) This semester, I have lectures in decision theory. On base of rational

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on

1998-11-06 Thread G. Crimp
On Fri, Nov 06, 1998 at 12:25:27PM +1300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Also, it's unlikely that this was deliberatly "leaked" by microsoft > (IMHO), because it's not exactly good publicity for them. Far more PR > damage is possible because of (admittedly somewhat backhanded) admissions > of how w

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on

1998-11-06 Thread Nathan E Norman
On 6 Nov 1998, Martin Bialasinski wrote: : : >> "A" == AJT60 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : : A> On Thu, 5 Nov 1998, Martin Bialasinski wrote: : : >> M$ had confirmed, that this document is a M$ memo. See slashdot for : >> the pointer. : : A> Also, it's unlikely that this was deliber

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on

1998-11-06 Thread G. Crimp
On Thu, Nov 05, 1998 at 05:02:43PM +, Thomas Lakofski wrote: > On Thu, 5 Nov 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Me too! I'm usually a very cautious person...How do we *know* that this > > has even originated from MicroSoft? So there is the issue of whether or > > not it's from MS, and if it

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on

1998-11-06 Thread G. Crimp
On Thu, Nov 05, 1998 at 09:28:45AM -0200, Vera Lucia Mazzocchi wrote: > > Hi, > > I was thinking if this document wasn't released purposely, that > is, "let them know only what we want they know" and "let's see what they > think about". Seems to me that M$ might be playing with us, releasi

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on

1998-11-06 Thread stick
Richard E. Hawkins Esq. said > chuck asked, > > > Me too! I'm usually a very cautious person...How do we *know* that this > > has even originated from MicroSoft? So there is the issue of whether or > > not it's from MS, and if it is it it truly "confidential"? > > Is the Wall Street Journal a g

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on

1998-11-06 Thread Martin Bialasinski
>> "A" == AJT60 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: A> On Thu, 5 Nov 1998, Martin Bialasinski wrote: >> M$ had confirmed, that this document is a M$ memo. See slashdot for >> the pointer. A> Also, it's unlikely that this was deliberatly "leaked" by microsoft A> (IMHO), because it's not exactly good p

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on

1998-11-05 Thread AJT60
On Thu, 5 Nov 1998, Martin Bialasinski wrote: > >> "s" == stick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > s> Me too! I'm usually a very cautious person...How do we *know* that this > s> has even originated from MicroSoft? So there is the issue of whether or > s> not it's from MS, and if it is it it trul

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on

1998-11-05 Thread Martin Bialasinski
>> "s" == stick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: s> Me too! I'm usually a very cautious person...How do we *know* that this s> has even originated from MicroSoft? So there is the issue of whether or s> not it's from MS, and if it is it it truly "confidential"? M$ had confirmed, that this document

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on

1998-11-05 Thread Richard E. Hawkins Esq.
chuck asked, > Me too! I'm usually a very cautious person...How do we *know* that this > has even originated from MicroSoft? So there is the issue of whether or > not it's from MS, and if it is it it truly "confidential"? Is the Wall Street Journal a good enough source? :) Tuesday morning's W

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on

1998-11-05 Thread Thomas Lakofski
On Thu, 5 Nov 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Me too! I'm usually a very cautious person...How do we *know* that this > has even originated from MicroSoft? So there is the issue of whether or > not it's from MS, and if it is it it truly "confidential"? It was confirmed by MS. See slashdot.org

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on

1998-11-05 Thread stick
Vera Lucia Mazzocchi said > > Hi, > > I was thinking if this document wasn't released purposely, that > is, "let them know only what we want they know" and "let's see what they > think about". Seems to me that M$ might be playing with us, releasing > such document, or allowing somebody to

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on

1998-11-05 Thread Vera Lucia Mazzocchi
Hi, I was thinking if this document wasn't released purposely, that is, "let them know only what we want they know" and "let's see what they think about". Seems to me that M$ might be playing with us, releasing such document, or allowing somebody to have access and releasing it.

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on

1998-11-05 Thread Jiri Baum
Hello, Roberto Ripio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | El Wed, 04 Nov 1998, Chad A. Adlawan escribi¢: ... | >This is an excellent doc that was leaked out of MS on the future | >issue of Open Source OSes like Linux, etc. The hosting WWW site ... | As published, the document is edited by Eric S. Raymond

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on why MS is in trouble from OpenSource OSes like Linux

1998-11-04 Thread Roberto Ripio
El Wed, 04 Nov 1998, Chad A. Adlawan escribió: >Hi everyone ! Anyway, i glanced on this one from David Ranch's page >and some of you might be intersted in reading it. > > >This is an excellent doc that was leaked out of MS on the future >issue of O