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On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 12:53:12PM -0500, Seth Goodman wrote:
> On Monday, August 14, 2006 11:52 AM -0500, Albert Dengg wrote:
> ...
> At least they can do it, whether we approve of the results of not.
> That's not the case for Debian. If you have to
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On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 08:43:14PM -0500, Owen Heisler wrote:
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> I very much agree. To me the Linux distribution that Debian has become
> is very impressive, and I hope that continues. And if Debian is able to
> become more user-friendly, that is
On Tue, Aug 15, 2006 at 09:31:46AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
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> > On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 07:30:11PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> >> On Monday 14 August 2006 11:04, Seth Goodman wrote:
> >>> On Monday, August 14, 2006 6:
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>Someone needs to go read the Advocacy HOWTO again.
>http://ursine.ca/cgi-bin/dwww/usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/Advocacy.html
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 07:30:11PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
>> On Monday 14 August 2006 11:04, Seth Goodman wrote:
>>> On Monday, August 14, 2006 6:20 AM -0500, George Borisov wrote:
Anthony M Simonelli wrote:
[snip]
>
On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 07:30:11PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Monday 14 August 2006 11:04, Seth Goodman wrote:
> > On Monday, August 14, 2006 6:20 AM -0500, George Borisov wrote:
> > > Anthony M Simonelli wrote:
> > > > I just get a little upset when people want to mold Debian into
> > > > som
On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 07:52:03PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Monday 14 August 2006 19:02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 08:10:48PM -0400, Ishwar Rattan wrote:
> > > On Mon, 14 Aug 2006, Seth Goodman wrote:
> > > >desire to learn, and some are here to teach as well. I'm
Wow, I fully agree what cr stated there. I have people calling upon me all the
time to solve their Windows problems and difficulties. For one, if GNU/Linux
was to be sold in stores on pre-installed system, such as in Future Shop and
Circut City, GNU/Linux would gain more popularity. Since GNU
Seth Goodman wrote:
>
> Does that represent the Debian position? I'd very much like to know.
> If so, I'll continue to use it in server applications and stop
> recommending it to friends who are not computer professionals. That
> would certainly make my life easier and Microsoft more profitable.
On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 11:45, Seth Goodman wrote:
>
> Nothing would make me happier than if I believed this. Unfortunately,
> they continue to do one thing right where the non-commercial Linux
> distros have consistently failed, and this prevents the scenario that
> you suggest from happening. That
On Monday 14 August 2006 19:02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 08:10:48PM -0400, Ishwar Rattan wrote:
> > On Mon, 14 Aug 2006, Seth Goodman wrote:
> > >desire to learn, and some are here to teach as well. I'm also saying
> > >that most non-technical computer users are not capab
Seth Goodman wrote:
...
Microsoft's present marketing-blurb overtures in the direction of
free/open source scream that they are aware of it also.
Even that will quieten down, when the effluent from the quagmire of
their own creation fills their mouths, as they go under for the
final time.
Nothi
On Monday 14 August 2006 11:04, Seth Goodman wrote:
> On Monday, August 14, 2006 6:20 AM -0500, George Borisov wrote:
> > Anthony M Simonelli wrote:
> > > I just get a little upset when people want to mold Debian into
> > > something like a Windows clone. If you want that, try a
> > > Debian-deriv
On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 08:10:48PM -0400, Ishwar Rattan wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 14 Aug 2006, Seth Goodman wrote:
>
> >desire to learn, and some are here to teach as well. I'm also saying
> >that most non-technical computer users are not capable of learning
> >Debian, as it exists today. While som
On Monday 14 August 2006 17:10, Ishwar Rattan wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Aug 2006, Seth Goodman wrote:
> > desire to learn, and some are here to teach as well. I'm also saying
> > that most non-technical computer users are not capable of learning
> > Debian, as it exists today. While some may disagree,
Seth Goodman wrote:
On Monday, August 14, 2006 6:23 PM -0500, Katipo wrote:
When I started out, all I had to master were the intracacies of
apt-get.
That's because you had the aptitude and desire to learn.
But wait. I thought he had the apt-get.
*ducks*
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On Tue, 2006-08-15 at 01:20 +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 13:04:45 -0500, Seth Goodman wrote:
> > Does that represent the Debian position? I'd very much like to know.
> > If so, I'll continue to use it in server applications and stop
> > recommending it to friends who are
On Mon, 14 Aug 2006, Seth Goodman wrote:
desire to learn, and some are here to teach as well. I'm also saying
that most non-technical computer users are not capable of learning
Debian, as it exists today. While some may disagree, I consider that a
problem.
Your words of wisdom have been no
On Monday, August 14, 2006 6:23 PM -0500, Katipo wrote:
> Seth Goodman wrote:
>
> > You are the sysadmin for these two Windows-type users, which is
> > the only environment in which they can realistically use Debian.
> > Take away the sysadmin or Linux mentor and the chances of them
> > being able
On Monday, August 14, 2006 5:48 PM -0500, Katipo wrote:
> Seth Goodman wrote:
>
> If that were true, the vast majority of us, who used to be Windows
> users, wouldn't be here.
Right. I use Windows for most of my work projects, and before that, I
used Unix for many years. I'm not a casual comput
Seth Goodman wrote:
You are the sysadmin for these two Windows-type users, which is the only
environment in which they can realistically use Debian. Take away the
sysadmin or Linux mentor and the chances of them being able to configure
a system that is as useful to them as their Windows boxes a
On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 13:04:45 -0500, Seth Goodman wrote:
> On Monday, August 14, 2006 6:20 AM -0500, George Borisov wrote:
>
> > Anthony M Simonelli wrote:
> > >
> > > I just get a little upset when people want to mold Debian into
> > > something like a Windows clone. If you want that, try a
>
Kent West wrote:
George Borisov wrote:
I can not speak about other people
And yet, as I read your comments, I almost thought it was me speaking.
I use Debian because it is an operating system I can
_trust_ and it is 100% free as in speech and beer (to me, the
speech bit is actual
Seth Goodman wrote:
On Monday, August 14, 2006 6:20 AM -0500, George Borisov wrote:
Anthony M Simonelli wrote:
I just get a little upset when people want to mold Debian into
something like a Windows clone. If you want that, try a
Debian-derivative such as Linspire or Xandros.
I'm guessing that there really isn't one POV within the debian
community about debians place in the linux world or as a replacement
for windows. I am an ambulatory linux user. I can debug perl, but I
don't write in it yet, because I can still get away with awk and sed. I
use the command line alot (
On Monday, August 14, 2006 6:20 AM -0500, George Borisov wrote:
> Anthony M Simonelli wrote:
> >
> > I just get a little upset when people want to mold Debian into
> > something like a Windows clone. If you want that, try a
> > Debian-derivative such as Linspire or Xandros.
>
> Spot on, dude.
Do
On Monday, August 14, 2006 11:52 AM -0500, Albert Dengg wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 12, 2006 at 02:07:43AM -0500, Seth Goodman wrote:
> > On Friday, August 11, 2006 10:39 PM -0500, Anthony M Simonelli
> > wrote:
> >
<...>
> > > You can get books that help. In fact, the Debian GNU/Linux 3.1
> > > Bible
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On Sat, Aug 12, 2006 at 02:07:43AM -0500, Seth Goodman wrote:
> On Friday, August 11, 2006 10:39 PM -0500, Anthony M Simonelli wrote:
>
> > > > > That's a reasonable goal, even a good goal, if you are
> > > > > willing to remain a small, exclusive clu
George Borisov wrote:
> I can not speak about other people
And yet, as I read your comments, I almost thought it was me speaking.
> I use Debian because it is an operating system I can
> _trust_ and it is 100% free as in speech and beer (to me, the
> speech bit is actually more important.)
Ditto
> On Tuesday, August 08, 2006 6:43 PM -0500, Paul Johnson wrote:
>
>> I thought the niche Debian was trying to fill was rock solid
>> stability and reliability in a 100% free software format. If I'm
>> confused, let me know.
Add "support for multiple architectures" and I will agree with
you 100%
Anthony M Simonelli wrote:
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> I just get a little upset when people want to mold Debian into something like
> a Windows clone. If you want that, try a Debian-derivative such as Linspire
> or Xandros.
Spot on, dude.
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On Sat, Aug 12, 2006 at 02:07:43AM -0500, Seth Goodman wrote:
> On Friday, August 11, 2006 10:39 PM -0500, Anthony M Simonelli wrote:
>
> > I also don't like
> > it when people completely ignore the accomplishments of Microsoft
> > with Windows and rip them to shreds as if their operating system i
On Friday, August 11, 2006 10:39 PM -0500, Anthony M Simonelli wrote:
> > > > That's a reasonable goal, even a good goal, if you are
> > > > willing to remain a small, exclusive club.
>
> Actually, Debian is one of the fastest growing distribution
> according to Netcraft:
>
>
http://news.netcraft.
> > > > I thought the niche Debian was trying to fill was rock solid
> > > > stability and reliability in a 100% free software format. If
> > > > I'm confused, let me know.
Right on.
> > > That's a reasonable goal, even a good goal, if you are willing to
> > > remain a small, exclusive club.
On Friday, August 11, 2006 6:23 PM -0500, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Friday 11 August 2006 14:41, Seth Goodman wrote:
> > On Tuesday, August 08, 2006 6:43 PM -0500, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 08 August 2006 10:38, Seth Goodman wrote:
> > > > Since the end-users we need to interest, if we a
On Friday 11 August 2006 14:41, Seth Goodman wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 08, 2006 6:43 PM -0500, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > On Tuesday 08 August 2006 10:38, Seth Goodman wrote:
> > > Since the end-users we need to interest, if we are ever to break
> > > out of the expert niche, will run X and use GUI'
On Tuesday, August 08, 2006 6:43 PM -0500, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Tuesday 08 August 2006 10:38, Seth Goodman wrote:
> > Since the end-users we need to interest, if we are ever to break
> > out of the expert niche, will run X and use GUI's for everything,
> > being limited to low-end 2D performan
On 08/08/06 18:27 PM, Alan Chandler wrote:
> Where that gets me to is that the best supported stuff seems to be Intel
> 950GMA - but that I might get by with a Radeon X300 or similar.
I would probably go with the X850. The r300 project has made some great
progress. Basic DRI support is in xorg
Alan Chandler wrote:
I am planning on building myself a new computer from scratch, probably
based
on the new Intel Core 2 Duo chips, and am seeking opinions on the best
graphics chipset/card that I should use. Basic criteria are as follows
1) Must be open source driver (under linux)
2) Some 3
On Tuesday 08 August 2006 10:38, Seth Goodman wrote:
> Since the end-users we need to interest, if we are ever to break out of the
> expert niche, will run X and use GUI's for everything, being limited to
> low-end 2D performance will be an ongoing problem.
I thought the niche Debian was tryin
On Monday, August 07, 2006 7:33 AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I also heard that at that time the Intel chips were
> available on motherboards, but not on plug-in cards.
>
> Has the situation changed?
Not as far as I know. If they have made any PCI-E graphics chips, they
have not yet achie
On Tuesday 08 August 2006 10:50, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:
> For open source graphics adapter support take a look at
> http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/
>
This was my starting point to make the comments about Intel and Matrox that I
did. Most of what is supported is so old, you can't buy stuff to
For open source graphics adapter support take a look at
http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/
Regards,
Jörg-Volker.
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On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 08:07:23AM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 12:49:02PM +0100, Alan Chandler wrote:
> > I am planning on building myself a new computer from scratch, probably based
> > on the new Intel Core 2 Duo chips, and am seeking opinions on the best
> > graphi
Cary Pembleton writes:
Alan,
It appears most of the ATI PCIe cards support Linux. I would look at the
Fire GL or X800 series.
Don't these require the use of ati binary only software? Which is against
my criteria.
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On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 12:49:02PM +0100, Alan Chandler wrote:
> I am planning on building myself a new computer from scratch, probably based
> on the new Intel Core 2 Duo chips, and am seeking opinions on the best
> graphics chipset/card that I should use. Basic criteria are as follows
>
> 1)
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