Re: Root, sudo and installing packages [WAS Re: user is not in the suder's file]

pe su. > so I wouldn't have to constantly be reminded that as a regular > user, I can't do something, and I had been told that installing things as > root will cause problems. > This is wrong, you need root privileges to install packages on Debian. > I was told that i

Re: Root, sudo and installing packages [WAS Re: user is not in the suder's file]

K0LNY ?? wrote: > Hi Andrew, > Using other distros, like Ubuntu and Raspbian, I would get tired of typing > sudo in front of everything, so I would just do sudo su and become root for > everything, so I wouldn't have to constantly be reminded that as a regular > user, I can't do something, and

Re: Root, sudo and installing packages [WAS Re: user is not in the suder's file]

(debian-accessibil...@lists.debian.org is dropped from Cc:) On 06/02/2025 06:29, Jeffrey Walton wrote: With respect to other operating systems, like Solaris, root is a role, not a user. Jeffrey, it is interesting topic to discuss, but I am afraid, this stuff and SELinux may confuse K0LNY even

Re: Root, sudo and installing packages [WAS Re: user is not in the suder's file]

; > installing things as root? > > I know that there are issues if some packages are installed with root > > privileges on other systems. > > Thanks. > > I'm not quite sure I understand what you mean here. Root can do most things: > sudo is effectively allowing an

Re: Root, sudo and installing packages [WAS Re: user is not in the suder's file]

ns to use something I installed as root. > Thanks. > If you're installing Debian packages, then they're all, effectively, *installed* by a root-equivalent process. [That's part of the security and values screening process for aspiring Debian maintainers, in some sense: what

Re: Root, sudo and installing packages [WAS Re: user is not in the suder's file]

from several different methods: - logging in as root - running su - running sudo - running doas - booting the system and interrupting the boot in a particular way In all cases, you then have root privileges, either for the length of a session or for one command. Installing OS packages -- at least on Deb

Re: Root, sudo and installing packages [WAS Re: user is not in the suder's file]

uary 5, 2025 1:28 PM Subject: Root, sudo and installing packages [WAS Re: user is not in the suder's file] [Follow-up suggested to the mailing list at debian-user@lists.debian.org] On Wed, Feb 05, 2025 at 11:50:44AM -0600, K0LNY ?? wrote: > Hi Andrew, > How is Debian different with regar

Root, sudo and installing packages [WAS Re: user is not in the suder's file]

sues if some packages are installed with root > privileges on other systems. > Thanks. > > Glenn Hi Glenn, I'm not quite sure I understand what you mean here. Root can do most things: sudo is effectively allowing an unprivileged user to "become" root for a few commands (and

Re: How to find installed packages not in APT?

It's documented in the man page of apt-patterns. Regards, Jörg.

Re: How to find installed packages not in APT?

inux.org/2019/08/15/apt-patterns/> Greg, earlier your noticed that apt list does not support ~P for provides. Another example is ~d for description. My quest with getting list of packages installed from repositories other than stable (I have a few ones from testing) finished with "aptitude search" instead of "apt list" query.

Re: How to find installed packages not in APT?

und it, > > Not in Bookworm, it isn't. But you're saying it's been improved in > Trixie or something? That's good! > > > Also, it is references earlier under the > > list subcommand: > > > >list > > list

Re: How to find installed packages not in APT?

On Mon, 3 Feb 2025, Loren M. Lang wrote: On Mon, Feb 03, 2025 at 11:09:58AM +, Andy Smith wrote: Hi Loren, On Sun, Feb 02, 2025 at 11:29:45PM -0800, Loren M. Lang wrote: I am looking for a way to find all packages that have been installed on my system according to dpkg, but don't h

Re: How to find installed packages not in APT?

ie or something? That's good! > Also, it is references earlier under the > list subcommand: > >list > list is somewhat similar to dpkg-query --list in > that it can display a list of packages satisfying >

Re: How to find installed packages not in APT?

On Tue, Feb 04, 2025 at 11:25:46 -0600, David Wright wrote: > On Tue 04 Feb 2025 at 12:15:32 (-0500), Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 05, 2025 at 00:00:13 +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > > > - apt-patterns(7) > > > > Why isn't this linked/referenced from apt(8) or apt-get(8) or aptitude(8)? > > I

Re: How to find installed packages not in APT?

list is somewhat similar to dpkg-query --list in that it can display a list of packages satisfying certain criteria. It supports glob(7) patterns for matching package names, apt-patterns(7), as well as

Re: How to find installed packages not in APT?

On Tue 04 Feb 2025 at 12:15:32 (-0500), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Wed, Feb 05, 2025 at 00:00:13 +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > > - apt-patterns(7) > > Why isn't this linked/referenced from apt(8) or apt-get(8) or aptitude(8)? > I just checked all three, and it's not on any of them. > > That's slight

Re: How to find installed packages not in APT?

On Tue, Feb 04, 2025 at 16:44:06 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Tue, Feb 04, 2025 at 11:23:58AM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > includes this paragraph (buried deep, searching for ~ eventually gets > > to it): > > > >

Re: How to find installed packages not in APT?

On 04/02/2025 23:12, Mike Castle wrote: On Tue, Feb 4, 2025 at 4:04 AM Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: apt list '~o' Where is '~o' documented? - https://www.debian.org/releases/bookworm/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#obsolete - apt-patterns(7) However "aptitude search" is a bit more pow

Re: How to find installed packages not in APT?

On Tue, Feb 4, 2025 at 8:47 AM Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > Mentioning dselect - that will give you all the obsolete packages it > can't find - usually at the top of the interface but it does need > some degree of expertise to unravel what it shows. > > (I just used dselect to f

Re: How to find installed packages not in APT?

n the > > aptitude(8) man page, because that would be too easy. > > Ahhh. Never used aptitude, not even installed on my systems. (Then > again, I still use dselect sometimes so... ) > Hi Mike, Mentioning dselect - that will give you all the obsolete packages it can't find

Re: How to find installed packages not in APT?

On Tue, Feb 04, 2025 at 11:23:58AM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Feb 04, 2025 at 08:12:42 -0800, Mike Castle wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 4, 2025 at 4:04 AM Andrew M.A. Cater > > wrote: > > > apt list '~o' > > > > Where is '~o' documented? apt(1) mentions dpkg-query, but I couldn't > > find i

Re: How to find installed packages not in APT?

On Tue, Feb 4, 2025 at 8:34 AM Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 04, 2025 at 08:12:42 -0800, Mike Castle wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 4, 2025 at 4:04 AM Andrew M.A. Cater > > wrote: > > > apt list '~o' > > > > Where is '~o' documented? apt(1) mentions dpkg-query, but I couldn't > > find it mention

Re: How to find installed packages not in APT?

On Tue, Feb 04, 2025 at 08:12:42 -0800, Mike Castle wrote: > On Tue, Feb 4, 2025 at 4:04 AM Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > apt list '~o' > > Where is '~o' documented? apt(1) mentions dpkg-query, but I couldn't > find it mentioned there either. It's documented as part of "aptitude", I believe, but

Re: How to find installed packages not in APT?

On Tue, Feb 4, 2025 at 4:04 AM Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > apt list '~o' Where is '~o' documented? apt(1) mentions dpkg-query, but I couldn't find it mentioned there either. I'm pretty sure I've seen it somewhere, but I couldn't find it when I saw this command mentioned previously in this thread

Re: How to find installed packages not in APT?

Also, I don't think there should be any need to run it as root. And sorry for the bad line wrapping.

Re: How to find installed packages not in APT?

apt list '~o' That's probably a good start as listed in another message in the thread. Try that one as well. If you have so many busted packages, come back to the list. All the very best, as ever, Andy (amaca...@debian.org) > > > . > > Cheers, Gene Heskett, C

Re: How to find installed packages not in APT?

On 2/4/25 00:02, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Mon, Feb 03, 2025 at 23:33:50 -0500, gene heskett wrote:  gene@coyote:/$ sudo -i root@coyote:~# comm -23 <(dpkg-query -W -f '${Package} ${Version}\n' | sort -u) <(apt-cache dumpavail | awk '/^Package:/ {package = $NF} /^Version:/ {version = $NF} /^$/ {pr

Re: How to find installed packages not in APT?

for the various suggestions. It's allowed me to quickly identify packages like python2 and libsqlite0 that have been left on my system over many years of upgrades. My oldest server was installed in 2009. It's also help identify packages like jlink and zoom that I installed long ago and have forgot

Re: How to find installed packages not in APT?

On Mon, Feb 03, 2025 at 23:33:50 -0500, gene heskett wrote: >  gene@coyote:/$ sudo -i > root@coyote:~# comm -23 <(dpkg-query -W -f '${Package} ${Version}\n' | sort > -u) > <(apt-cache dumpavail | awk '/^Package:/ {package = $NF} /^Version:/ > {version = $NF} /^$/ {print package, version}' | sort -u

Re: How to find installed packages not in APT?

On 2/3/25 21:10, Mike Castle wrote: On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 5:16 PM Loren M. Lang wrote: Basically, I want to identify any software that I couldn't reinstall on a fresh install of Debian from the official Debian archives. Will this work as a starting place for you? comm -23 <(dpkg-query -W -f

Re: How to find installed packages not in APT?

On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 5:16 PM Loren M. Lang wrote: > Basically, I want to identify any software that I couldn't reinstall on > a fresh install of Debian from the official Debian archives. Will this work as a starting place for you? comm -23 <(dpkg-query -W -f '${Package} ${Version}\n' | sort -u

Re: How to find installed packages not in APT?

On Mon, Feb 03, 2025 at 11:09:58AM +, Andy Smith wrote: > Hi Loren, > > On Sun, Feb 02, 2025 at 11:29:45PM -0800, Loren M. Lang wrote: > > I am looking for a way to find all packages that have been installed on > > my system according to dpkg, but don't ha

Re: How to find installed packages not in APT?

On Mon, Feb 03, 2025 at 15:18:59 +0100, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: > you could check for obsolete packages, depending on the apt version, with > > $ apt list '~o' Oh, right. *That* is probably what the OP was really looking for: packages that have been installed in the pas

Re: How to find installed packages not in APT?

Hi, you could check for obsolete packages, depending on the apt version, with $ apt list '~o' Also looking for broken or garbage packets could help: $ apt list '~b' '~g' Of course, the output will depend on how your sources file (/etc/apt/sources.list, et

Re: How to find installed packages not in APT?

Hi Loren, On Sun, Feb 02, 2025 at 11:29:45PM -0800, Loren M. Lang wrote: > I am looking for a way to find all packages that have been installed on > my system according to dpkg, but don't have a matching entry in Apt. Packages installed with dpkg -i *do* show in apt, so can you be mo

How to find installed packages not in APT?

I am looking for a way to find all packages that have been installed on my system according to dpkg, but don't have a matching entry in Apt. This is likely due to being installed manually from a third-party website or because it was left over from a previous upgrade and not removed. Also, jus

Re: Are Debian packages updated within a release?

Hi, On Sun, Jan 19, 2025 at 05:16:51PM +0900, John Crawley wrote: > On 18/01/2025 23:01, Andy Smith wrote: > The *-updates suite is something different from security upgrades. > > To get bookworm security upgrades the necessary apt line is something like: > > deb https://deb.debian.org/debian-s

Re: Are Debian packages updated within a release?

On 18/01/2025 23:01, Andy Smith wrote: After a stable release of Debian is made, future package updates will come from the stable-updates suite (e.g. bookworm-updates in the case of Debian 12). These updates will in most cases contain the same version of the software from stable suite but with a

Re: Are Debian packages updated within a release?

On Sunday, 19-01-2025 at 01:21 Nicolas George wrote: > Andy Smith (12025-01-18): > > One particular consequence of this process of making a stable release is > > that generally no new features will ever come to the packages in it. > > No new *features* is not the point of

Re: Are Debian packages updated within a release?

On Sat, Jan 18, 2025 at 07:12:30PM +1100, George at Clug wrote: > > Thanks Roberto, and others who tried to explain Backporting, I will > need to read this and think about it for a while. > > To make comment, I stay away from FlatPacks (the MS world tried this > kind of technology once, I wonder

Re: Are Debian packages updated within a release?

Andy Smith (12025-01-18): > One particular consequence of this process of making a stable release is > that generally no new features will ever come to the packages in it. No new *features* is not the point of Debian stable, though, only a side effect. The point is: no changes in behavior.

Re: Are Debian packages updated within a release?

On Sat, 18 Jan 2025, Nicolas George wrote: > Andy Smith (12025-01-18): >> Why do you continue to post to this list > > Why do you continue replying? maybe pocket is an ai toy designed to annoy andy smith

Re: Are Debian packages updated within a release?

Hi, On Sat, Jan 18, 2025 at 02:53:23PM +0100, Nicolas George wrote: > Andy Smith (12025-01-18): > > Why do you continue to post to this list > > Why do you continue replying? Sometimes in an attempt to understand Pocket's behaviour. I mean, I'm aware it's easy to just write it off as trolling.

Re: Are Debian packages updated within a release?

ion", because that is what it is. When you install Debian it usually enables security updates via an -updates suite, so every user of stable should be getting security updates. One particular consequence of this process of making a stable release is that generally no new features will e

Re: Are Debian packages updated within a release?

Andy Smith (12025-01-18): > Why do you continue to post to this list Why do you continue replying? Regards, -- Nicolas George

Re: Are Debian packages updated within a release?

Hi, On Sat, Jan 18, 2025 at 03:19:16AM +0100, poc...@homemail.com wrote: > Oh I see you would rather stick your fingers in your ears and pretend all is > well. > > I determine what is right for me, you certainly don't Why do you continue to post to this list if you believe that there are Linux

Re: Are Debian packages updated within a release?

reading debian-user to keep updated. George. On Saturday, 18-01-2025 at 13:06 Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > On Sat, Jan 18, 2025 at 12:14:16PM +1100, George at Clug wrote: > > > > I rarely use backports, but when I do, I like the "adjusted and > > recompiled for usage on De

Re: Are Debian packages updated within a release?

On Sat, Jan 18, 2025 at 03:19:16AM +0100, poc...@homemail.com wrote: [...] > Oh I see you would rather stick your fingers in your ears and pretend all is > well. In some cases, that's the right idea, yes. You kind of prove it. > I determine what is right for me, you certainly don't Exactly. T

Re: Are Debian packages updated within a release?

upstream teams do not maintain stable versions with support period comparable to Debian stable. It would be too much burden for Debian maintainers to track and backport security fixes. That is why latest Chromium release is available in bookworm. Firefox and Thunderbird packages follow ESR version

Re: Are Debian packages updated within a release?

vailable in bookworm. Firefox > and Thunderbird packages follow ESR version, so 102 to 115 to 128 > updates with point releases approximately every month. > > In Ubuntu it was one of the reasons why they seized building .deb > packages for browsers and switched to snap. Lat

Re: Are Debian packages updated within a release?

On Sat, 18 Jan 2025 03:21:48 +0100 poc...@homemail.com wrote: > > Stefan > > > > All your post end up in the spam directory of my account on mail.com. > I need to leave them there. Oh, come on, Pocket. He was trolling you, apparently successfully. Turnabout is fair play. -- Does anyb

Re: Are Debian packages updated within a release?

is available in bookworm. Firefox > and Thunderbird packages follow ESR version, so 102 to 115 to 128 > updates with point releases approximately every month. Related, if you want to harden your browser, then disable JIT'd code. JIT is responsible for about half the browser bugs. Also see <htt

Re: Are Debian packages updated within a release?

> Sent: Friday, January 17, 2025 at 9:10 PM > From: "Stefan Monnier" > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Are Debian packages updated within a release? > > > That is why the rolling release method is superior to the old model > > used by oth

Re: Are Debian packages updated within a release?

> Sent: Friday, January 17, 2025 at 9:10 PM > From: "Roberto C. Sánchez" > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Are Debian packages updated within a release? > > On Sat, Jan 18, 2025 at 02:36:34AM +0100, poc...@homemail.com wrote: > > > > T

Re: Are Debian packages updated within a release?

On Sat, 18 Jan 2025 at 01:14, George at Clug wrote: > So this means that a patched version from : [...] > deb https://deb.debian.org/debian/ bookworm-backports main contrib non-free > non-free-firmware [...] > Was copied into debian-security as in: > deb https://security.debian.org/debian-se

Re: Are Debian packages updated within a release?

On Sat, Jan 18, 2025 at 02:36:34AM +0100, poc...@homemail.com wrote: > > That is why the rolling release method is superior to the old model used by > others. > s/superior/different/ > > Most rolling release distributions do the same and you get the latest > updates, features and fixes > We

Re: Are Debian packages updated within a release?

> That is why the rolling release method is superior to the old model > used by others. Yes, and for the same reason non-rolling release distributions of GNU/Linux don't exist. Actually, for that same fundamental reason, there is only one GNU/Linux distribution (the one that "is superior").

Re: Are Debian packages updated within a release?

On Sat, Jan 18, 2025 at 12:14:16PM +1100, George at Clug wrote: > > I rarely use backports, but when I do, I like the "adjusted and > recompiled for usage on Debian stable" part, much better that grabbing > packages from other distributions and just installing them, hopi

Re: Are Debian packages updated within a release?

> Sent: Friday, January 17, 2025 at 8:30 PM > From: "Max Nikulin" > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Are Debian packages updated within a release? > > On 18/01/2025 07:34, George at Clug wrote: > > Would I be correct in assuming this is because

Re: Are Debian packages updated within a release?

versions with support period comparable to Debian stable. It would be too much burden for Debian maintainers to track and backport security fixes. That is why latest Chromium release is available in bookworm. Firefox and Thunderbird packages follow ESR version, so 102 to 115 to 128 updates with

Re: Are Debian packages updated within a release?

new version number. John, Thanks for your reply. So this means that a patched version from : https://backports.debian.org/ Backports are packages taken from the next Debian release (called "testing"), adjusted and recompiled for usage on Debian stable. as in: # bookworm-ba

Re: Are Debian packages updated within a release?

In the case of rsync Debian backported a fix. Therefor it gets the old version number with a suffix to indicate that Debian patched it. In the case of chromium upstream patched it and released the patched version with a new version number. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Are Debian packages updated within a release?

eb12u1" to "132.0.6834.83-1~deb12u1". Maybe different packages follow different rules? However there may be a better explanation. Would I be correct in assuming this is because the version of Chromium (as in its features) are being updated within Debian 12, where as the version

Are Debian packages updated within a release?

Hi, Are Debian packages updated within a release? After running: "# apt update" # apt list -a linux-image-amd64 Listing... Done linux-image-amd64/stable-backports 6.11.10-1~bpo12+1 amd64 linux-image-amd64/stable-updates 6.1.124-1 amd64 [upgradable from: 6.1.106-3] linux-image-am

Re: Nvidia packages kept back

Hi Charles, Do you mean that it should/could happen that, at a certain point, the "kept-back" packages will be upgraded by just using "apt upgrade"? Best, Livio On Fri, Jan 17, 2025 at 5:48 AM Charles Kroeger wrote: > This is probably related to needful dependencie

Re: Nvidia packages kept back

This is probably related to needful dependencies not yet available, or available somewhere else. This problem is always sorted out by the passing of time. How much you want to wait is subjective to you I would think. Time is the revelator. -- C.

Nvidia packages kept back

I have Debian 12 installed on a server with NVIDIA ADA RTX4500 GPUs (used for machine learning with Tensorflow via Docker images). When I upgrade ("sudo apt upgrade"), I get the message that a number of packages (all related to Nvidia) have been "kept back". I am not sure

Useful information on packages for Gene [WAS Re: keyboard repeat]

packages.debian.org/bookworm/amd64/kbd/filelist> lists them, > for this particular case. > If all else fails and someone gives you a package name that you're not familiar with use the apt-cache command to query details of the packages that are known to apt: apt-cache searc

Re: Finding appropriate support for packages in Debian repository

On 1/12/25 1:05 PM, David Wright wrote: On Sat 11 Jan 2025 at 06:58:04 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote: [ … ] However I'm making practical use of mp3 files for the first time (currently a dozen lectures). I looked for an mp3 player whose GUI took up a very minimal amount of screen real estate. I w

Re: Finding appropriate support for packages in Debian repository

Paul M. Foster wrote: > I would suggest moc (Music On Console). It's a terminal app, but it's very > easy to operate. Simple single character commands, but no real menus. It's > not a GUI per se, but uses ncurses. If you can deal with the terminal > visually, moc should work for you. I use moc re

Re: Finding appropriate support for packages in Debian repository

On Sat 11 Jan 2025 at 06:58:04 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote: [ … ] > However I'm making practical use of mp3 files for the first time > (currently a dozen lectures). I looked for an mp3 player whose GUI > took up a very minimal amount of screen real estate. I was referred to > several overpowered

Re: Finding appropriate support for packages in Debian repository

Richard Owlett wrote: > On 1/11/25 8:06 AM, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: > > Richard Owlett wrote: > > *SNIP* > >> > >> Due to vision and perception issues, I avoid sites over using > >> graphics or requiring JavaScript. For support I look for USENET > >> groups &/or mailing lists (not ha

Re: Finding appropriate support for packages in Debian repository

On 2025-01-11 14:18, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Sat, Jan 11, 2025 at 07:01:23 -0700, Fred wrote: On 1/11/25 05:58, Richard Owlett wrote: > However I'm making practical use of mp3 files for the first time > (currently a dozen lectures). I looked for an mp3 player whose GUI took > up a very minimal a

Re: Finding appropriate support for packages in Debian repository

On Sat, Jan 11, 2025 at 06:58:04AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > As I'm over 80 and a computer *user* since introduction via Hollerith cards > and line-printers in 60's (q.v. CORC & CUPL - BASIC didn't exist) and later > using an Acoustic coupler with an RBBS, I'm not a newbie per se. > > However

Re: Finding appropriate support for packages in Debian repository

On 1/11/25 10:24 AM, e...@gmx.us wrote: On 1/11/25 09:01, Fred wrote: On 1/11/25 05:58, Richard Owlett wrote: I looked for an mp3 player whose GUI took up a very minimal amount of screen real estate. I was referred to several overpowered complex candidates and chose VLC as most straight forwar

Re: Finding appropriate support for packages in Debian repository

On 1/11/25 9:00 AM, Paul M. Foster wrote: On 1/11/25 07:58, Richard Owlett wrote: *SNIP* However I'm making practical use of mp3 files for the first time (currently a dozen lectures). I looked for an mp3 player whose GUI took up a very minimal amount of screen real estate.*SNIP* I would sug

Re: Finding appropriate support for packages in Debian repository

On 1/11/25 8:06 AM, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: *SNIP* Due to vision and perception issues, I avoid sites over using graphics or requiring JavaScript. For support I look for USENET groups &/or mailing lists (not having found _any_ usable WEB based fora). I didn't

Re: Finding appropriate support for packages in Debian repository

On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 04:05:01 -0600 Richard Owlett wrote: > On 1/11/25 8:01 AM, Fred wrote: > > On 1/11/25 05:58, Richard Owlett wrote: > > *SNIP* > >> However I'm making practical use of mp3 files for the first time > >> (currently a dozen lectures). I looked for an mp3 player whose GUI > >>

Re: Finding appropriate support for packages in Debian repository

On 1/11/25 8:01 AM, Fred wrote: On 1/11/25 05:58, Richard Owlett wrote: *SNIP* However I'm making practical use of mp3 files for the first time (currently a dozen lectures). I looked for an mp3 player whose GUI took up a very minimal amount of screen real estate. I was referred to several ov

Re: Finding appropriate support for packages in Debian repository

As I am 95 and my first computer was a Royal Mcbee using punched paper tape. VLC is ok but mostly I use mpv from a terminal Tom On 1/11/25 07:58, Richard Owlett wrote: As I'm over 80 and a computer *user* since introduction via Hollerith cards and line-printers in 60's (q.v. CORC & CUPL - BASI

Re: Finding appropriate support for packages in Debian repository

On 1/11/25 09:01, Fred wrote: > On 1/11/25 05:58, Richard Owlett wrote: >> >> I looked for an mp3 player whose GUI took up >> a very minimal amount of screen real estate. I was referred to several >> overpowered complex candidates and chose VLC as most straight forward. >> > Hi, > mpg123 is a comma

Re: Finding appropriate support for packages in Debian repository

On 1/11/25 07:58, Richard Owlett wrote: As I'm over 80 and a computer *user* since introduction via Hollerith cards and line-printers in 60's (q.v. CORC & CUPL - BASIC didn't exist) and later using an Acoustic coupler with an RBBS, I'm not a newbie per se. However I'm making practical use of

Re: Finding appropriate support for packages in Debian repository

On Sat, Jan 11, 2025 at 07:01:23 -0700, Fred wrote: > On 1/11/25 05:58, Richard Owlett wrote: > > However I'm making practical use of mp3 files for the first time > > (currently a dozen lectures). I looked for an mp3 player whose GUI took > > up a very minimal amount of screen real estate. > mpg12

Re: Finding appropriate support for packages in Debian repository

Richard Owlett wrote: > As I'm over 80 and a computer *user* since introduction via Hollerith > cards and line-printers in 60's (q.v. CORC & CUPL - BASIC didn't > exist) and later using an Acoustic coupler with an RBBS, I'm not a > newbie per se. > > However I'm making practical use of mp3 files

Re: Finding appropriate support for packages in Debian repository

On 1/11/25 05:58, Richard Owlett wrote: As I'm over 80 and a computer *user* since introduction via Hollerith cards and line-printers in 60's (q.v. CORC & CUPL - BASIC didn't exist) and later using an Acoustic coupler with an RBBS, I'm not a newbie per se. However I'm making practical use of m

Finding appropriate support for packages in Debian repository

As I'm over 80 and a computer *user* since introduction via Hollerith cards and line-printers in 60's (q.v. CORC & CUPL - BASIC didn't exist) and later using an Acoustic coupler with an RBBS, I'm not a newbie per se. However I'm making practical use of mp3 files for the first time (currently a

Re: Succint changelogs for Debian packages

On 01/12/2024 09:04, jman wrote: Eduardo M KALINOWSKI writes: Usually if the upstream provides a list of changes, it is included in /usr/share/. But there isn't a standard for its name (and much less for its contents), so look for names like NEWS, Changelog, etc. Often it is gzipped. The pat

Re: Succint changelogs for Debian packages

Eduardo M KALINOWSKI writes: Usually if the upstream provides a list of changes, it is included in /usr/share/. But there isn't a standard for its name (and much less for its contents), so look for names like NEWS, Changelog, etc. Often it is gzipped. The path you probably mean is /usr/share/

Re: Succint changelogs for Debian packages

my Debian packages. Usually if the upstream provides a list of changes, it is included in /usr/share/. But there isn't a standard for its name (and much less for its contents), so look for names like NEWS, Changelog, etc. Often it is gzipped. -- Didn't I buy a 1951 Packard from you

Succint changelogs for Debian packages

ject itself? Ideally this is something I would like to do when upgrading my Debian packages. Thanks!

Re: Re: question about apt upgrade facing locally build packages

would say then 'replacing') of such cases? User can be alerted more easily during apt upgrade that some packages with a same version could be replaced by the Debian archive ones. apt list --replaceable apt upgrade --no-replaceable :-) Note that it could be replacement from configured alt

Re: question about apt upgrade facing locally build packages

On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 12:04:42PM +, Tim Woodall wrote: > That's what I do too. > > +~tjw12r1 > if I've patched the current version. > ~tjw12r1 if I've backported a higher version. > > I scan for newer versions in debian and auto-rebase my changes (unless > the rebase fails) so I'm rarely mo

Re: question about apt upgrade facing locally build packages

packages for testing at the same version as in the archive, I am surprised that apt upgrade will reinstall any of those installed by the one from the archive. I did not remember such a "feature" in the past, unless my memory plays tricks on me:-). I think you should change the package version

Re: question about apt upgrade facing locally build packages

Patrice Duroux writes: > But could it be the a nice feature for apt to have a list apart on the > upgrading > (I would say then 'replacing') of such cases? > User can be alerted more easily during apt upgrade that some packages with a > same version could be replaced b

Re: Re: question about apt upgrade facing locally build packages

e feature for apt to have a list apart on the > upgrading > (I would say then 'replacing') of such cases? > User can be alerted more easily during apt upgrade that some packages with a > same version could be replaced by the Debian archive ones. > apt list --replaceable >

Re: Re: question about apt upgrade facing locally build packages

27;) of such cases? User can be alerted more easily during apt upgrade that some packages with a same version could be replaced by the Debian archive ones. apt list --replaceable apt upgrade --no-replaceable :-) Note that it could be replacement from configured alternative source archives. Regards, Patrice

Re: question about apt upgrade facing locally build packages

On Sat, Nov 16, 2024 at 11:53:25AM -0600, David Wright wrote: > On Sat 16 Nov 2024 at 15:54:17 (+0100), to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 16, 2024 at 03:11:37PM +0100, Patrice Duroux wrote: > > > > > > On Sid, building and installing locally modified packages fo

Re: question about apt upgrade facing locally build packages

On Sat 16 Nov 2024 at 15:54:17 (+0100), to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sat, Nov 16, 2024 at 03:11:37PM +0100, Patrice Duroux wrote: > > > > On Sid, building and installing locally modified packages for testing > > at the same version as in the archive, I am surprised that

Re: question about apt upgrade facing locally build packages

On Sat, Nov 16, 2024 at 03:11:37PM +0100, Patrice Duroux wrote: > Hi, > > On Sid, building and installing locally modified packages for testing > at the same version as in the archive, I am surprised that apt upgrade > will reinstall any of those installed by the one from the archi

question about apt upgrade facing locally build packages

Hi, On Sid, building and installing locally modified packages for testing at the same version as in the archive, I am surprised that apt upgrade will reinstall any of those installed by the one from the archive. I did not remember such a "feature" in the past, unless my memory plays tr

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