Documentation for NetworkManager 1.30.0 -- Where?

2025-04-05 Thread Richard Owlett
I am running Debian 12.8 with MATE 1.26.0 . When right-clicking on the Network Manager icon's "About" button it identifies itself as version 1.30.0 . There is a link to http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/ which results in a 404 error. I have questions about enabling

Re: Documentation for NetworkManager 1.30.0 -- Where?

2025-04-05 Thread Richard Owlett
t;About" button it identifies itself as version 1.30.0 . There is a link to http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/ which results in a 404 error. I have questions about enabling/disabling WiFi. To ask in intelligently I must be familiar with the documentation. Where do I find it? TIA

CLARIFICATION -- Re: Documentation for NetworkManager 1.30.0 -- Where?

2025-04-03 Thread Richard Owlett
On 4/2/25 8:41 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: I am running Debian 12.8 with MATE 1.26.0 . When right-clicking on the Network Manager icon's "About" button it identifies itself as version 1.30.0 . There is a link to http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/ which results in a 404

Re: Documentation for NetworkManager 1.30.0 -- Where?

2025-04-03 Thread mick.crane
On 2025-04-03 01:57, Charles Curley wrote: On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 05:34:35 +0800 Bret Busby wrote: The version of the applet in my taskbar, shows as 1.24.0 (copyrighted to Red Hat,and I believe that I have not used Red hat, since v6.0), from the About item in the menu, running on Mate Synaptic sh

Re: Documentation for NetworkManager 1.30.0 -- Where?

2025-04-02 Thread Charles Curley
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 05:34:35 +0800 Bret Busby wrote: > The version of the applet in my taskbar, shows as 1.24.0 (copyrighted > to Red Hat,and I believe that I have not used Red hat, since v6.0), > from the About item in the menu, running on Mate > > Synaptic shows my version of Network Manager, a

Re: Documentation for NetworkManager 1.30.0 -- Where?

2025-04-02 Thread Bret Busby
On 3/4/25 04:00, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: I am running Debian 12.8 with MATE 1.26.0 . When right-clicking on the Network Manager icon's "About" button it identifies itself as version 1.30.0 . I've also just noticed that NM 1.30 belongs on an older release of Deb

Re: Documentation for NetworkManager 1.30.0 -- Where?

2025-04-02 Thread debian-user
Richard Owlett wrote: > I am running Debian 12.8 with MATE 1.26.0 . > When right-clicking on the Network Manager icon's "About" button it > identifies itself as version 1.30.0 . I've also just noticed that NM 1.30 belongs on an older release of Debian than 12.

Re: Documentation for NetworkManager 1.30.0 -- Where?

2025-04-02 Thread Bret Busby
On 2/4/25 21:41, Richard Owlett wrote: I am running Debian 12.8 with MATE 1.26.0 . When right-clicking on the Network Manager icon's "About" button it identifies itself as version 1.30.0 . There is a link to http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/ which results in a 404

Re: Documentation for NetworkManager 1.30.0 -- Where?

2025-04-02 Thread debian-user
Richard Owlett wrote: > I am running Debian 12.8 with MATE 1.26.0 . > When right-clicking on the Network Manager icon's "About" button it > identifies itself as version 1.30.0 . > There is a link to http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/ > which results in

Re: Documentation for NetworkManager 1.30.0 -- Where?

2025-04-02 Thread Peter Ehlert
//www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/ which results in a 404 error. I have questions about enabling/disabling WiFi. To ask in intelligently I must be familiar with the documentation. Where do I find it? TIA

Re: Gene and networkmanager (was: Re: new computer arriving soon)

2025-01-05 Thread gene heskett
p Gene and networkmanager, I wrote my previous just to show that these pair of keywords may lead to almost anything. This time I am more interested in pocket's case. What prevented some valuable contribution to the Debian project? The total lack of being able to do it anonymously. Do you reall

Gene and networkmanager (was: Re: new computer arriving soon)

2025-01-04 Thread Max Nikulin
On 04/01/2025 17:19, gene heskett wrote: On 1/3/25 22:51, Max Nikulin wrote: On 02/01/2025 23:05, poc...@homemail.com wrote: Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2025 at 10:38 AM "Max Nikulin" On 02/01/2025 10:41, poc...@homemail.com wrote: Lookup Gene and networkmanager, I wrote my previo

Re: Sharing NetworkManager Wi-Fi to systemd-networkd over ethernet

2024-10-13 Thread Max Nikulin
On 12/10/2024 22:51, Dmitrii Odintcov wrote: On the desktop side, I am unable to use the IPv4 method "shared to other computers" Perhaps you may configure dnscrypt to listen just lo interface, leaving ethernet one to dnsmasq. Another option is to configure NetworkManager conne

Sharing NetworkManager Wi-Fi to systemd-networkd over ethernet

2024-10-12 Thread Dmitrii Odintcov
Hi, I have a KDE Plasma desktop using `NetworkManager` and `dnscrypt-proxy` behind the scenes, connected to a wireless network. Next to it I have a "server" PC with `systemd-networkd` which I wish to connect to the internet via the desktop with an ethernet cable. On the desktop

Re: NetworkManager with dnsmasq caching NXDOMAIN response of router

2024-07-10 Thread songbird
Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 15:11:20 +0200, Detlef Vollmann wrote: >> NetworkManager is the "default" (whatever "default" means) as it serves >> well the need of many users to connect a client machine to the Internet. > > It's

Re: NetworkManager with dnsmasq caching NXDOMAIN response of router

2024-07-10 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 15:11:20 +0200, Detlef Vollmann wrote: > NetworkManager is the "default" (whatever "default" means) as it serves > well the need of many users to connect a client machine to the Internet. It's only the "default" if a Desktop Enviro

Re: NetworkManager with dnsmasq caching NXDOMAIN response of router

2024-07-10 Thread Detlef Vollmann
On 7/8/24 11:50, David Ayers wrote: On 8/7/24 11:42, jeremy ardley wrote: I also forgot to mention my usual warning: NetworkManager is *not* stable and if you do anything complex with it you can expect trouble. Personally I use systemd-networkd as that seems much more stable and predictable

Re: NetworkManager with dnsmasq caching NXDOMAIN response of router

2024-07-08 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, David Ayers wrote: > PS: it seems I'm not receiving mails via the list subscription so > please keep my CC:ed if you will. Thank you! The "X-Spam-Status:" header of your mail does not show "LDOSUBSCRIBER". So i assume that ay...@fsfe.org is not known to the list server as a subscribed e-mail

Re: NetworkManager with dnsmasq caching NXDOMAIN response of router

2024-07-08 Thread David Ayers
my provider that claims "The firmware of your device is the latest."... ... and I haven't found a way to configure the domain. But note, if I do _not_ configure /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/localdns.conf dns=dnsmasq but leave the default, then DNS resolves fine. It's only wh

Re: NetworkManager with dnsmasq caching NXDOMAIN response of router

2024-07-08 Thread David Ayers
d if configured in nsswitch.conf will be used before > any call to an external dns provider. > > I also forgot to mention my usual warning: > > NetworkManager is *not* stable and if you do anything complex with it > you can expect trouble. > > > Personally I use system

Re: NetworkManager with dnsmasq caching NXDOMAIN response of router

2024-07-08 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 8 Jul 2024 01:03 +0200, from ay...@fsfe.org (David Ayers): > Hello everyone! > > My Debian 12/bookworm laptop uses DHCP with NetworkManager which > produce an /etc/resolv.conf containing: > # Generated by NetworkManager > ``` > search home > nameserver 192.168.1.254 &

Re: NetworkManager with dnsmasq caching NXDOMAIN response of router

2024-07-07 Thread jeremy ardley
On 8/7/24 11:42, jeremy ardley wrote: On 8/7/24 07:03, David Ayers wrote: Hello everyone! My Debian 12/bookworm laptop uses DHCP with NetworkManager which produce an /etc/resolv.conf containing: # Generated by NetworkManager ``` search home nameserver 192.168.1.254 ``` I've

Re: NetworkManager with dnsmasq caching NXDOMAIN response of router

2024-07-07 Thread jeremy ardley
On 8/7/24 07:03, David Ayers wrote: Hello everyone! My Debian 12/bookworm laptop uses DHCP with NetworkManager which produce an /etc/resolv.conf containing: # Generated by NetworkManager ``` search home nameserver 192.168.1.254 ``` I've setup NetworkManager to use its local dnsmasq ins

NetworkManager with dnsmasq caching NXDOMAIN response of router

2024-07-07 Thread David Ayers
Hello everyone! My Debian 12/bookworm laptop uses DHCP with NetworkManager which produce an /etc/resolv.conf containing: # Generated by NetworkManager ``` search home nameserver 192.168.1.254 ``` I've setup NetworkManager to use its local dnsmasq instance to add additional name resolutio

Re: IPv6, ip token, NetworkManager and accept_ra

2024-02-02 Thread Tim Woodall
very elegant to me, because it avoids DHCPv6 completely, and still makes mostly working DNS records possible. Opinions on SLAAC+IP tokens are welcome ;) I don't use NetworkManager but I have this sort of thing: iface eth0 inet6 auto pre-up echo 64 >/proc/sys/net/ipv6/con

Re: IPv6, ip token, NetworkManager and accept_ra

2024-02-02 Thread Ralph Aichinger
On Fri, 2024-02-02 at 15:31 +0100, Marco Moock wrote: > It should be if you enter "save" in the nmcli. Thanks, I did not realize this was possible. I probably will use nmcli more often in the future. Ralph

Re: IPv6, ip token, NetworkManager and accept_ra

2024-02-02 Thread Marco Moock
Am 02.02.2024 schrieb Ralph Aichinger : > On Fri, 2024-02-02 at 14:28 +0100, Marco Moock wrote: > > # nmcli c mod enp4s0 ipv6.addr-gen-mode eui64 > > # nmcli c mod enp4s0 ipv6.token ::deca:fbad:c0:ffee > > This is not permanent, is it? It should be if you enter "save" in the nmcli.

Re: IPv6, ip token, NetworkManager and accept_ra

2024-02-02 Thread Ralph Aichinger
e MAC vendor ids with zeroes in them etc., because identifying IPs at one glance seems very attractive to me. Right now I want as short/as memorable IPv6 addresses as possible. > Use the NetworkManager to configure that. > Automatic means using SLAAC (if available in the RA) and DHCPv6 (if >

Re: IPv6, ip token, NetworkManager and accept_ra

2024-02-02 Thread Marco Moock
I-64 and have the MAC address in the address. If that is suitable for you (privacy!), use that. > One of my clients is a surface laptop running Debian sid, Gnome, > NetworkManager and getting connection via WiFi. The first hickup with > this is, that seemingly ra is disabled on my NetworkM

IPv6, ip token, NetworkManager and accept_ra

2024-02-02 Thread Ralph Aichinger
completely, and still makes mostly working DNS records possible. Opinions on SLAAC+IP tokens are welcome ;) One of my clients is a surface laptop running Debian sid, Gnome, NetworkManager and getting connection via WiFi. The first hickup with this is, that seemingly ra is disabled on my

Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12

2023-11-03 Thread Max Nikulin
On 03/11/2023 00:58, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Thu, Nov 02, 2023 at 10:41:06PM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: I am a bit surprised by a use case when temporary unplugging of cable should be ignored. I have not tested it, but I hope, a setting, I have noticed in docs, allows NetworkManager to

Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12

2023-11-02 Thread tomas
-- so one would have to "wire it up". > I am a bit surprised by a use case when temporary unplugging of cable should > be ignored. I have not tested it, but I hope, a setting, I have noticed in > docs, allows NetworkManager to handle it as well. TCP/IP can take that. Retransmit a

Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12

2023-11-02 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Thu, Nov 2, 2023 at 11:41 AM Max Nikulin wrote: > [...] > > I am a bit surprised by a use case when temporary unplugging of cable > should be ignored. I have not tested it, but I hope, a setting, I have > noticed in docs, allows NetworkManager to handle it as well. I think it i

Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12

2023-11-02 Thread Max Nikulin
a udev event or it is necessary to receive messages from netlink socket. Anyway it is already implemented in NetworkManager and it allows to get a DHCP lease immediately when cable is plugged. On the other hand it is possible to uncheck connection.autoconnect to make NetworkManager waiting for an

Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12

2023-11-01 Thread debian-user
wrote: > On Wed, Nov 01, 2023 at 10:17:16AM -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > > to...@tuxteam.de composed on 2023-11-01 12:12 (UTC+0100): > > > > > More "down to the bolts" folks use ifupdown (I do). If I stick an > > > Ethernet cable into my laptop I want to be able to say "sudo ifup > > > eth0".

Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12

2023-11-01 Thread tomas
On Wed, Nov 01, 2023 at 10:00:45PM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > On 01/11/2023 21:33, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > I was just pointing at the fact that even ifupdown can automatically > > bring up an interface on connect (cf. allow-hotplug), courtesy of udev. > > Doesn't allow-hotplug means adding a

Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12

2023-11-01 Thread Nicolas George
Max Nikulin (12023-11-01): > I am curious if ConfigureWithoutCarrier= and IgnoreCarrierLoss= from > systemd.network(5) may help. > > NetworkManager has a similar option, unfortunately it may be changed > per-device, not per-connection. I do not have the time to test it anew. IIR

Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12

2023-11-01 Thread Max Nikulin
am curious if ConfigureWithoutCarrier= and IgnoreCarrierLoss= from systemd.network(5) may help. NetworkManager has a similar option, unfortunately it may be changed per-device, not per-connection.

Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12

2023-11-01 Thread Max Nikulin
On 01/11/2023 21:33, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: I was just pointing at the fact that even ifupdown can automatically bring up an interface on connect (cf. allow-hotplug), courtesy of udev. Doesn't allow-hotplug means adding a network adapter (e.g. a USB one), not plugging network cable into an ex

Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12

2023-11-01 Thread Alessandro Baggi
Il 01/11/23 15:33, to...@tuxteam.de ha scritto: On Wed, Nov 01, 2023 at 10:17:16AM -0400, Felix Miata wrote: to...@tuxteam.de composed on 2023-11-01 12:12 (UTC+0100): More "down to the bolts" folks use ifupdown (I do). If I stick an Ethernet cable into my laptop I want to be able to say "su

Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12

2023-11-01 Thread tomas
On Wed, Nov 01, 2023 at 10:17:16AM -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > to...@tuxteam.de composed on 2023-11-01 12:12 (UTC+0100): > > > More "down to the bolts" folks use ifupdown (I do). If I stick an Ethernet > > cable into my laptop I want to be able to say "sudo ifup eth0". > > That's more than I nee

Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12

2023-11-01 Thread Felix Miata
to...@tuxteam.de composed on 2023-11-01 12:12 (UTC+0100): > More "down to the bolts" folks use ifupdown (I do). If I stick an Ethernet > cable into my laptop I want to be able to say "sudo ifup eth0". That's more than I need to do. systemd-networkd.socket notices and appropriately responds to th

Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12

2023-11-01 Thread Joe
On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 12:19:47 +0100 "Marco M." wrote: > Am 01.11.2023 um 11:43:32 Uhr schrieb Alessandro Baggi: > > > I've read on an old email that many don't use NM for network > > configuration. I'm using it because I replaced some CentOS > > installation with Debian 12. > > > > What is the

Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12

2023-11-01 Thread Nicolas George
Greg Wooledge (12023-11-01): > ALL installations of ALL versions of Debian support "ifupdown", also > known as /etc/network/interfaces, for configuring the network. If > your system is NOT a laptop, and doesn't move around from place to > place, this is probably what you want. > > Servers? Ether

Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12

2023-11-01 Thread Marco M.
ork? Desktop environments use the NM because it is feature-rich, offers desktop and CLI tools, supports VPN and WiFi and more. > There is an alternative to NM on Debian 12? Of course there are, ifupdown, systemd-networkd and manual (ip addr add) exist. The questions you have to answer: What do

Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12

2023-11-01 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Nov 01, 2023 at 11:43:32AM +0100, Alessandro Baggi wrote: > I've read on an old email that many don't use NM for network configuration. > I'm using it because I replaced some CentOS installation with Debian 12. > > What is the default method to configure the network? Depends on how you i

Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12

2023-11-01 Thread tomas
On Wed, Nov 01, 2023 at 01:10:22PM +0200, y...@vienna.at wrote: > On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 11:43:32 +0100 > Alessandro Baggi wrote: > > Hi list, [...] > With SystemD instead of SysV and ip of Kusnetsow and iproute2 with Baturin > you should do it by yourselve. See? Yet another choice (I can't vouch

Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12

2023-11-01 Thread tomas
On Wed, Nov 01, 2023 at 11:43:32AM +0100, Alessandro Baggi wrote: > Hi list, > I've read on an old email that many don't use NM for network configuration. > I'm using it because I replaced some CentOS installation with Debian 12. [...] I don't know how the actual numbers are. I'd guess that "des

Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12

2023-11-01 Thread yxcv
On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 11:43:32 +0100 Alessandro Baggi wrote: Hi list, I've read on an old email that many don't use NM for network configuration. I'm using it because I replaced some CentOS installation with Debian 12. What is the default method to configure the network? There is an alternati

Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12

2023-11-01 Thread Alessandro Baggi
Hi list, I've read on an old email that many don't use NM for network configuration. I'm using it because I replaced some CentOS installation with Debian 12. What is the default method to configure the network? There is an alternative to NM on Debian 12? Thank you in advance. Alessandro.

Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-27 Thread Lee
On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 8:29 PM Andy Smith wrote: > > Hi, > > On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 06:36:28PM -0400, Lee wrote: > > My understanding is that ISC no longer supports their dhcp client > > software so the isc-dhcp-client package will go away someday? > > correct? & I suspect whatever works today w

Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-25 Thread Max Nikulin
On 22/10/2023 22:46, Lee wrote: but /etc/network/interfaces over-rides /etc/NetworkManager - correct? So maybe I'm just using dhclient and have no idea if this works for NetworkManager or not. NetworkManager may use built-in, dhclient, or dhcpcd, see NetworkManager.conf(5). It has a p

Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-24 Thread David Wright
ault route in the > > > 169 block if it cannot find a dns server, > > [...] > > > IF I can prevent NM and avahi from assigning a totally bogus > > > 169. route, it just works. > > > > NetworkManager supports static network configuration and

Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-24 Thread gene heskett
prevent NM and avahi from assigning a totally bogus 169. route, it just works. NetworkManager supports static network configuration and it has been working for years. Of course, by default it tries to get configuration from a DHCP server. A connection with a static address may be created

Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-24 Thread Andy Smith
Hi Max, On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 11:48:35PM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > There was a thread several months ago with discussion of link local > 169.254.x.y addresses. $ notmuch count 'from:ghesk...@shentel.net (body:"169.254" or body:"avahi")' 110 i.e. in the last 4 years I have 110 emails from Gen

Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-24 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
ago with discussion of link local > > 169.254.x.y addresses. They may coexist with dynamic or static IP > > addresses. avahi-autoipd (avahi is another daemon) just tries to make at > > least some network resources available for you. It is not a fault of > > avahi-autoipd or NetworkManag

Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-24 Thread Pocket
assigning a totally bogus 169. route, it just works. NetworkManager supports static network configuration and it has been working for years. Of course, by default it tries to get configuration from a DHCP server. A connection with a static address may be created even from GUI. There was a thread

Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-24 Thread Max Nikulin
works. NetworkManager supports static network configuration and it has been working for years. Of course, by default it tries to get configuration from a DHCP server. A connection with a static address may be created even from GUI. There was a thread several months ago with discussion of

Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-23 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 06:36:28PM -0400, Lee wrote: > My understanding is that ISC no longer supports their dhcp client > software so the isc-dhcp-client package will go away someday? > correct? & I suspect whatever works today will break when the new > software comes out, so I'd rather get

Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-23 Thread Lee
On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 7:13 PM Pocket wrote: > > On 10/22/23 18:36, Lee wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 1:18 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > >> On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 11:22:06AM -0400, Lee wrote: > >>> Just out of curiosity, why didn't you use the example from > >>> https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.c

Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread Minecraftchest1
You can also set the dns server in NetworkManager directly. ``` bash nmcli connection modify "$connection-name" ipv4.dns "$dns-servers" ``` where $connection-name is the name found in `nmcli connection` under NAME, and $dns-servers is a comma seperated list of DNS servers you

Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 08:36:53PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > What really bugs me is when the maintainers forget there are hosts file > users, and do something that totally screws us up, Gene, you're being irrational again. "Hosts file only" systems have been supported since before Debian exist

Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread gene heskett
On 10/22/23 18:45, John Hasler wrote: I wrote: It's for people who haven't a clue as to what a domainname or address block is. Gene writes: If that is an insult, so be it. I just meant to explain that though it is not a solution to your problem, it is a solution to a problem some other peop

Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread Michael Biebl
I want NetworkManager to not over write /etc/resolv.conf According to the docs if dns=none is set it will not touch /etc/resolv.conf This should work, and this does work here. If not, please do file a bug report. OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread Pocket
On 10/22/23 18:36, Lee wrote: On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 1:18 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 11:22:06AM -0400, Lee wrote: Just out of curiosity, why didn't you use the example from https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.conf and do echo 'make_resolv_conf() { :; }' > /etc/dhcp/dhclient

Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread John Hasler
I wrote: > It's for people who haven't a clue as to what a domainname or address > block is. Gene writes: > If that is an insult, so be it. I just meant to explain that though it is not a solution to your problem, it is a solution to a problem some other people have. -- John Hasler j...@sugarb

Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread Lee
On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 1:18 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 11:22:06AM -0400, Lee wrote: > > Just out of curiosity, why didn't you use the example from > > https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.conf and do > > > > echo 'make_resolv_conf() { :; }' > > > /etc/dhcp/dhclient-enter-hooks.

Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread gene heskett
On 10/22/23 14:19, John Hasler wrote: Gene writes: Chuckle. Looks like a solution looking for a problem. You can use whatever domainname that tickles your fancy when your net is in an un-routeable address block. It's for people who haven't a clue as to what a domainname or address block is.

Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 2:33 PM Dan Ritter wrote: > > gene heskett wrote: > > On 10/22/23 11:19, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > > On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 7:13 AM Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d...@ewoof.net> > > > wrote: > > > > > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8375 > > > > > Chuckle. Looks like a s

Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread Dan Ritter
gene heskett wrote: > > So please tell me again what NM is supposed to do for /me/? Nothing, You do not have a good use case for NM. NM is for laptops that connect to many different networks, primarily, and secondarily for corporate networks where many people will need IT handholding. In my pe

Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread Dan Ritter
gene heskett wrote: > On 10/22/23 11:19, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 7:13 AM Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d...@ewoof.net> > > wrote: > > > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8375 > > > Chuckle. Looks like a solution looking for a problem. You can use whatever > domainname t

Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread John Hasler
Gene writes: > Chuckle. Looks like a solution looking for a problem. You can use > whatever domainname that tickles your fancy when your net is in an > un-routeable address block. It's for people who haven't a clue as to what a domainname or address block is. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html

Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread Pocket
Sent from my iPad > On Oct 22, 2023, at 1:35 PM, Andy Smith wrote: > > Hello, > >> On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 08:22:24AM -0400, Pocket wrote: >>> On 10/22/23 04:02, Max Nikulin wrote: >>> P.S. I do not see any reason to insist on NetworkManager in the c

Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread Pocket
Sent from my iPad > On Oct 22, 2023, at 1:18 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 11:22:06AM -0400, Lee wrote: >> Just out of curiosity, why didn't you use the example from >> https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.conf and do >> >> echo 'make_resolv_conf() { :; }' > >> /etc/dhcp/dh

Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread Pocket
Because the script does what the Debian installer does and runs without intervention Sent from my iPad > On Oct 22, 2023, at 12:41 PM, Max Nikulin wrote: > > On 22/10/2023 19:22, Pocket wrote: >> What version of NetworkManager is installed with bullseye? >> Maybe a ne

Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread Pocket
Sent from my iPad > On Oct 22, 2023, at 12:12 PM, Tixy wrote: > > On Sat, 2023-10-21 at 17:13 -0400, Pocket wrote: >> I am just using what was installed by my scripted debian installation > > A day ago when people pointed out that Network Manager only gets > installed if you select desktop

Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread Pocket
f curiosity, why didn't you use the example from >> https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.conf and do >> >> echo 'make_resolv_conf() { :; }' > >> /etc/dhcp/dhclient-enter-hooks.d/leave_my_resolv_conf_alone >> chmod 755 /etc/dhcp/dhclient-enter-hooks.d/leave

Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 08:22:24AM -0400, Pocket wrote: > On 10/22/23 04:02, Max Nikulin wrote: > > P.S. I do not see any reason to insist on NetworkManager in the case of > > a box which role is a DNS server for a local network. ifupdown should be > > sufficient

Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 11:22:06AM -0400, Lee wrote: > Just out of curiosity, why didn't you use the example from > https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.conf and do > > echo 'make_resolv_conf() { :; }' > > /etc/dhcp/dhclient-enter-hooks.d/leave_my_resolv_conf_alone > chmod 755 /etc/dhcp/dhclient-enter-h

Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread gene heskett
On 10/22/23 11:19, Jeffrey Walton wrote: On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 7:13 AM Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d...@ewoof.net> wrote: It's fairly recent (RFC 8375, May 2018) but this type of usage is pretty much exactly what home.arpa is meant for. https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8375 Chuckle. Looks

Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread Max Nikulin
On 22/10/2023 19:22, Pocket wrote: What version of NetworkManager is installed with bullseye? Maybe a newer version is broken? I upgraded this VM to bookworm months ago. apt policy network-manager network-manager: Installed: 1.42.4-1 Candidate: 1.42.4-1 Version table: *** 1.42.4-1

Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread gene heskett
On 10/22/23 11:02, Henning Follmann wrote: On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 01:24:21PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 01:08:58PM -0400, Pocket wrote: On 10/21/23 12:49, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 12:23:45PM -0400, Pocket wrote: I want NetworkManager to not over

Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread Tixy
On Sat, 2023-10-21 at 17:13 -0400, Pocket wrote: > I am just using what was installed by my scripted debian installation A day ago when people pointed out that Network Manager only gets installed if you select desktop install configuration, you denied that was true by saying "Well the default inst

Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread Lee
se the example from > > https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.conf and do > > > > echo 'make_resolv_conf() { :; }' > > > /etc/dhcp/dhclient-enter-hooks.d/leave_my_resolv_conf_alone > > chmod 755 /etc/dhcp/dhclient-enter-hooks.d/leave_my_resolv_conf_alone > > Does N

Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread tomas
o > > echo 'make_resolv_conf() { :; }' > > /etc/dhcp/dhclient-enter-hooks.d/leave_my_resolv_conf_alone > chmod 755 /etc/dhcp/dhclient-enter-hooks.d/leave_my_resolv_conf_alone Does NetworkManager honour this? Or is that "just" a dhclient thing? Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread Lee
list of ntp servers. Regards, Lee > > cat /etc/resolv.conf > # Generated by NetworkManager > search example.org > nameserver 127.0.0.1 > nameserver ::1 > options edns0 trust-ad > > This make this work > > sudo cat /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf > [main]

Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 7:13 AM Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d...@ewoof.net> wrote: > > On 21 Oct 2023 17:13 -0400, from poc...@columbus.rr.com (Pocket): > > Why would I register a domain name for an internal network? > > Any name will do. You could make the same argument if you just > > makeup a dom

Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread Henning Follmann
On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 01:24:21PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 01:08:58PM -0400, Pocket wrote: > > > > On 10/21/23 12:49, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 12:23:45PM -0400, Pocket wrote: > > > > I want NetworkManage

Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread Dan Ritter
Pocket wrote: > > On 10/22/23 08:32, Dan Ritter wrote: > > Pocket wrote: > > > I am just using what was installed by my scripted debian installation > > Who provided the script? You skipped the most important question. -dsr-

Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 22 Oct 2023 08:22 -0400, from poc...@columbus.rr.com (Pocket): > What version of NetworkManager is installed with bullseye? https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/network-manager https://tracker.debian.org/network-manager -- Michael Kjörling 🔗 https://michael.kjorling

Re: example.org and other RFC 2606 domains; was: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 22 Oct 2023 08:42 -0400, from poc...@columbus.rr.com (Pocket): > I get that, I have used example.org for more than 20 years and at the time I > began using it things were different. It has been reserved for its current purpose at least since June 1999 (that's the publication date of RFC 2606),

Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread Dan Ritter
Pocket wrote: >The Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) also currently has the >following second level domain names reserved which can be used as >examples. > > example.com > example.net > example.org > > Which I take it that you can use them for any pur

Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread Pocket
On 10/22/23 08:36, mick.crane wrote: On 2023-10-22 13:22, Pocket wrote: I would normally not use NetworkManager on a server system either, but in this case NetworkManager is installed on all the bookworm installation so in this case I choose to work with it instead of removing it. It maybe

Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread Pocket
On 10/22/23 08:32, Dan Ritter wrote: Pocket wrote: The Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) also currently has the following second level domain names reserved which can be used as examples. example.com example.net example.org Which I take it that

Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread Pocket
er,exit}-hooks.d Cheers The dhcp client is NetworkManager. It is request a new lease as it should Oct 22 03:59:35 gremlin NetworkManager[664]: [1697961575.2993] dhcp4 (end0): state changed new lease, address=192.168.1.3 -- It's not easy to be me

Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread mick.crane
On 2023-10-22 13:22, Pocket wrote: I would normally not use NetworkManager on a server system either, but in this case NetworkManager is installed on all the bookworm installation so in this case I choose to work with it instead of removing it. It maybe comes with the desktop thing. With

Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread Pocket
On 10/22/23 07:13, Michael Kjörling wrote: On 21 Oct 2023 17:13 -0400, from poc...@columbus.rr.com (Pocket): Why would I register a domain name for an internal network? Any name will do. You could make the same argument if you just makeup a domain to use as it could already be registered or s

Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread Pocket
On 10/22/23 04:02, Max Nikulin wrote: On 22/10/2023 00:24, Greg Wooledge wrote: If you're asking us to tell you how to *make NetWorkManager behave* then you might be frustrated. Most of the people on this mailing list don't use it. There are some who actively despise it, and go out

Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 21 Oct 2023 17:13 -0400, from poc...@columbus.rr.com (Pocket): > Why would I register a domain name for an internal network? > Any name will do. You could make the same argument if you just > makeup a domain to use as it could already be registered or someone > my register it in the future. > T

Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread Max Nikulin
On 22/10/2023 00:24, Greg Wooledge wrote: If you're asking us to tell you how to *make NetWorkManager behave* then you might be frustrated. Most of the people on this mailing list don't use it. There are some who actively despise it, and go out of their way to ensure it's never

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