Re: How does mailutils "mail" command or cron contact local MTA?

2022-09-18 Thread Teemu Likonen
* 2022-09-18 09:00:49-0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > In normal usage, scripts should always be calling mailx or an > equivalent program which is *designed* to create the e-mail headers > correctly. This is especially true if you're sending attachments. > Writing the MIME headers and attachment marku

Re: How does mailutils "mail" command or cron contact local MTA?

2022-09-18 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 09:27:46AM +0200, Yvan Masson wrote: > So the `mailutils` package with `mail` command is optional: `sendmail` could > be used directly in scripts (but it might be a bit less practical to use, > see for example https://www.computerhope.com/unix/usendmai.htm#examples). If you

Re: How does mailutils "mail" command or cron contact local MTA?

2022-09-18 Thread Yvan Masson
, nor in cron manpages nor in mailutils online documentation. mail(1) or mailx(1) or similar utilities run the /usr/sbin/sendmail program to inject a new message into the local MTA. /usr/sbin/sendmail was of course originally provided by the sendmail package. But later MTAs implement a /usr/sbin

Re: How does mailutils "mail" command or cron contact local MTA?

2022-09-17 Thread Greg Wooledge
utils online documentation. mail(1) or mailx(1) or similar utilities run the /usr/sbin/sendmail program to inject a new message into the local MTA. /usr/sbin/sendmail was of course originally provided by the sendmail package. But later MTAs implement a /usr/sbin/sendmail compatible wrapper so

How does mailutils "mail" command or cron contact local MTA?

2022-09-17 Thread Yvan Masson
Hi, I have some servers successfully configured to send notification emails, but I do not exactly understand how it works :-) I have installed openSMTPd and configured it to forward email to a relay (another SMTP server, the one from my email provider). I have also set up aliases in `/etc/al

Re: Which MTA for from-based smarthost selection, local delivery and queuing?

2022-09-10 Thread Sébastien Hinderer
> local and external smtp depending on which account is open. I tend to think > this is cleaner than hard-coding a per-user credential into a global > configuration, and is much more practical than implementing xoauth2 (if > needed) in the system mta. Sure but (correct me if I am wron

Re: Which MTA for from-based smarthost selection, local delivery and queuing?

2022-09-10 Thread Sébastien Hinderer
nding from my personal account > > > then > > I'd like to use one smarthost and SMTP configuration, but if I am > > sending from my work address, I would like the MTA to choose my > > work's > > SMTP server as its smarthost. Am I correct that exim4 does

Re: Which MTA for from-based smarthost selection, local delivery and queuing?

2022-09-10 Thread Sébastien Hinderer
someting bound to the event of the network becoming available. I don't know which of these ways exim4 uses to achieve sending queued e-mails but I imagine it must be one of these two. > There also is a package "msmtp-mta" which I did *not* > install since it conflicts wit

Re: Which MTA for from-based smarthost selection, local delivery and queuing?

2022-09-09 Thread Michael Stone
tween local and external smtp depending on which account is open. I tend to think this is cleaner than hard-coding a per-user credential into a global configuration, and is much more practical than implementing xoauth2 (if needed) in the system mta. On Thu, Sep 08, 2022 at 01:06:07PM +0800, Jer

Re: Which MTA for from-based smarthost selection, local delivery and queuing?

2022-09-09 Thread Julio Herrero
to use one smarthost and SMTP configuration, but if I am > sending from my work address, I would like the MTA to choose my > work's > SMTP server as its smarthost. Am I correct that exim4 does not allow > for > such a configuration? I do that using an exim specific router. $ cat /

Re: OT: Is postfix "easier" than exim4? (was: Re: Which MTA for from-based smarthost selection, local delivery and queuing?)

2022-09-08 Thread Michael Stone
more sites choose postfix as an edge MTA than choose exim4, with the exim4 counts being skewed by some large hosting providers and the fact that they're the debian/ubuntu default. A lot of places that actually pay attention to their MTA configuration turn off identifying banners so it's

Re: Which MTA for from-based smarthost selection, local delivery and queuing?

2022-09-08 Thread Gregor Zattler
Hi Sébastien, debian users, * Gregor Zattler [2022-09-08; 10:24 +02]: > In sum msmtp is configured for my single user and exim4 as a > system wide local delivery MTA. I forgot, this is the last part of my .msmtprc: # use exim4 for local addresses account exim4 host localhost

debian-lists-test for your test posts, was Re: Which MTA for from-based smarthost selection, local delivery and queuing?

2022-09-08 Thread David Wright
On Thu 08 Sep 2022 at 10:54:20 (-0400), rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > Sorry, this is a test email. Not sure how to do it "off list" (more > explanation later, maybe) There's a very underpublicised list called debian-lists-test specially designed for such tests. Cheers, David.

OT: Bug (or feature?) in (old) kmail: "Undisclosed Recipients" (was: Re: Which MTA for from-based smarthost selection, local delivery and queuing?)

2022-09-08 Thread rhkramer
On Thursday, September 08, 2022 10:54:20 AM rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > Sorry, this is a test email. Not sure how to do it "off list" (more > explanation later, maybe) Interesting. Sometimes when I'm working on a reply to an email, I try to "disable" the address so that I won't accidentally sen

Re: Which MTA for from-based smarthost selection, local delivery and queuing?

2022-09-08 Thread rhkramer
Sorry, this is a test email. Not sure how to do it "off list" (more explanation later, maybe) On Thursday, September 08, 2022 01:06:07 AM Jeremy Ardley wrote:

Re: OT: Is postfix "easier" than exim4? (was: Re: Which MTA for from-based smarthost selection, local delivery and queuing?)

2022-09-08 Thread Jeremy Ardley
On 8/9/22 7:10 pm, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: To people who have familiarity with both postfix and exim4, is postfix really easier (in a variety of senses) than exim4? LIke to install, setup, and use? I tried to set up postix back near the beginning of my Linux odyssey, maybe sometime between

OT: Is postfix "easier" than exim4? (was: Re: Which MTA for from-based smarthost selection, local delivery and queuing?)

2022-09-08 Thread rhkramer
On Thursday, September 08, 2022 01:06:07 AM Jeremy Ardley wrote: > On 8/9/22 12:29 pm, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 07, 2022 at 10:31:37PM +0200, Sébastien Hinderer wrote: > >> Currently I am using exim4 as mail transport agent (MTA). ... > >> solution, altho

Re: Which MTA for from-based smarthost selection, local delivery and queuing?

2022-09-08 Thread Gregor Zattler
Hi Sébastien, debian users, * Sébastien Hinderer [2022-09-07; 22:31 +02]: > (I am not subscribed to the list) > > Currently I am using exim4 as mail transport agent (MTA). > > I am looking for another one, because I would like to be able to > configure the SMTP server to use ba

Re: Which MTA for from-based smarthost selection, local delivery and queuing?

2022-09-08 Thread Sébastien Hinderer
Thanks. I indeed found a blog post describing an implementation. I can't post the URL here, sorry, because I did'nt keep it so it looked complex to me. I felt completely intimidated, not daring to launch myself in such an adventure. I may try to read exim4-s documentation, but frankly if I can com

Re: Which MTA for from-based smarthost selection, local delivery and queuing?

2022-09-07 Thread Jeremy Ardley
On 8/9/22 12:29 pm, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Wed, Sep 07, 2022 at 10:31:37PM +0200, Sébastien Hinderer wrote: Dear all, (I am not subscribed to the list) Currently I am using exim4 as mail transport agent (MTA). I am looking for another one, because I would like to be able to configure

Re: Which MTA for from-based smarthost selection, local delivery and queuing?

2022-09-07 Thread tomas
On Wed, Sep 07, 2022 at 10:31:37PM +0200, Sébastien Hinderer wrote: > Dear all, > > (I am not subscribed to the list) > > Currently I am using exim4 as mail transport agent (MTA). > > I am looking for another one, because I would like to be able to > configure the SMT

Which MTA for from-based smarthost selection, local delivery and queuing?

2022-09-07 Thread Sébastien Hinderer
Dear all, (I am not subscribed to the list) Currently I am using exim4 as mail transport agent (MTA). I am looking for another one, because I would like to be able to configure the SMTP server to use based on the address I am using in the >From header. For instance, if I am sending from

Re: Debian 11: MTA Exim4 not listening to fetchmail

2022-07-11 Thread Roger Price
On Sun, 10 Jul 2022 17:12:18 +0100, Gareth Evans wrote: On Sun 10 Jul 2022, at 15:38, Roger Price wrote: [...] I removed the ipv6.disable=1 and rebooted, but this made no difference. I'm not sure if there may be other issues here too, but did you update-grub before rebooting? No, I forgot

Re: Debian 11: MTA Exim4 not listening to fetchmail

2022-07-10 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 10:57:40PM +0100, Gareth Evans wrote: > $ sudo reboot > - set boot arg ipv6.disable=1 > - NB ipv6 addresses still in /etc/hosts > > $ telnet localhost 25 > Trying 127.0.0.1... > Trying ::1... > telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Address family not supported by > pr

Re: Debian 11: MTA Exim4 not listening to fetchmail

2022-07-10 Thread Gareth Evans
On Sun 10 Jul 2022, at 18:28, Greg Wooledge wrote: > Mine contains these lines: > > unicorn:~$ grep ::1 /etc/hosts > ::1 localhost ip6-localhost ip6-loopback > ff02::1 ip6-allnodes > > They were put there by Debian. I didn't touch them. [I got the ::1 and localhost the wrong way around in m

Re: Debian 11: MTA Exim4 not listening to fetchmail

2022-07-10 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 05:12:18PM +0100, Gareth Evans wrote: > On Sun 10 Jul 2022, at 15:38, Roger Price wrote: > [...] > > I removed the ipv6.disable=1 and rebooted, but this made no difference. > > I'm not sure if there may be other issues here too, but did you update-grub > before rebooting?

Re: Debian 11: MTA Exim4 not listening to fetchmail

2022-07-10 Thread Nicolas George
Roger Price (12022-07-10): > I have successfully used fetchmail and the MTA exim4 to receive mail on a > Debian 9 machine for several years. I am now trying to migrate this to > Debian 11, but fetchmail no longer talks to exim4. I have never understood why fetchmail's default op

Re: Debian 11: MTA Exim4 not listening to fetchmail

2022-07-10 Thread Gareth Evans
On Sun 10 Jul 2022, at 17:12, Gareth Evans wrote: > https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/407663/ipv6-socket-creation-failed-address-family-not-supported-by-protocol FWIMBW, this explains how to disable ipv6 for exim4 (albeit on Deb 9) though I'm not sure the advice re hosts file is universa

Re: Debian 11: MTA Exim4 not listening to fetchmail

2022-07-10 Thread Gareth Evans
On Sun 10 Jul 2022, at 15:38, Roger Price wrote: [...] > I removed the ipv6.disable=1 and rebooted, but this made no difference. I'm not sure if there may be other issues here too, but did you update-grub before rebooting? If not, does /etc/hosts currently contain localhost ::1 ? If so, it

Re: Debian 11: MTA Exim4 not listening to fetchmail

2022-07-10 Thread gene heskett
On 7/10/22 10:41, Roger Price wrote: I have successfully used fetchmail and the MTA exim4 to receive mail on a Debian 9 machine for several years.  I am now trying to migrate this to Debian 11, but fetchmail no longer talks to exim4. systemctl status fetchmail reports   ● fetchmail.service

Debian 11: MTA Exim4 not listening to fetchmail

2022-07-10 Thread Roger Price
I have successfully used fetchmail and the MTA exim4 to receive mail on a Debian 9 machine for several years. I am now trying to migrate this to Debian 11, but fetchmail no longer talks to exim4. systemctl status fetchmail reports ● fetchmail.service - LSB: init-Script for system wide

Re: MTA (DMARC)

2021-07-10 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sat, Jul 10, 2021 at 05:49:44AM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > >> Here what I got from the Debian mailing list server > >> Got some idea ? > > > > Your MTA signs these headers: > > > > Content-

Re: MTA (DMARC)

2021-07-10 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2021-07-10 3:46 a.m., Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Fri, Jul 09, 2021 at 04:24:42PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside > wrote: >> Hi, >> I've wrote a message regarding my MTA. >> >> I was thinking it's corrected but... >> &g

Re: MTA (DMARC)

2021-07-10 Thread Reco
Hi. On Fri, Jul 09, 2021 at 04:24:42PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > Hi, > I've wrote a message regarding my MTA. > > I was thinking it's corrected but... > > Here what I got from the Debian mailing list server > Got some idea ? Your MT

Re: MTA (DMARC)

2021-07-10 Thread tomas
On Fri, Jul 09, 2021 at 11:43:56PM +0300, Kevin N. wrote: > Not sure if that is the case here, but sometimes mailing list > software alters the original message headers which then can lead to > failed DKIM signature checks. Most probably. This is a known problem. DKIM is (roughly speaking) a signa

Re: MTA (DMARC)

2021-07-09 Thread Kevin N.
Not sure if that is the case here, but sometimes mailing list software alters the original message headers which then can lead to failed DKIM signature checks. Cheers, K. Hi, I've wrote a message regarding my MTA. I was thinking it's corrected but... Here what I got from

MTA (DMARC)

2021-07-09 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, I've wrote a message regarding my MTA. I was thinking it's corrected but... Here what I got from the Debian mailing list server Got some idea ? -- This is a spf/dkim authentication-failure report for an email message received from IP 82.195.75.100 on Fri, 09 Jul 2021 22:1

Re: MTA (corrected)

2021-07-09 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2021-07-05 1:16 p.m., Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > Hi, > > On 2021-07-05 1:07 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 01:00:07PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside >> wrote: >>> On 2021-07-05 12:46 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote: unicorn:~$ host _dc-mx.f1202d

Re: MTA (corrected)

2021-07-06 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2021-07-05 21:12:01 +0100, Joe wrote: > It's not a big issue. My public FQDN and PTR have no relationship at > all with any email domain I use, and I've never had mail refused for > that reason, over more than fifteen years. I also use a single HELO, and > that only matches one domain. Again, no

Re: MTA

2021-07-05 Thread Joe
On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 16:45:17 +0200 Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2021-07-05 10:06:24 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > A more sensible antispam filter might consider a mismatched reverse > > to be one potential factor in deciding whether a given message is > > "spam". In the absence of any other f

Re: MTA

2021-07-05 Thread Joe
On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:23:03 -0400 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > > I was thinking that maybe I should start thinking about hosting my own > email server. But I wasn't sure if I felt like I had the nerve to do > so. Some people say it's a lot of maintenance work. > No, it's not a big

Re: MTA (corrected)

2021-07-05 Thread Joe
On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 16:55:44 +0200 Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2021-07-05 10:32:27 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > > > What is this 162.213.253.79 IP address? > > > > The IP address 162.213.253.79 is the dedicated IP I rent from > > Namecheap. > > OK. > > > Can you control

Re: MTA

2021-07-05 Thread Joe
On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:35:22 -0400 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 09:23:03AM -0400, Polyna-Maude > Racicot-Summerside wrote: > > Reporting-MTA: dns; premium58.web-hosting.com > > > > Action: failed > > Final-Recipient: rfc822;bjoern.ri...@g

Re: MTA (corrected)

2021-07-05 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2021-07-05 1:07 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 01:00:07PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside > wrote: >> On 2021-07-05 12:46 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote: >>> unicorn:~$ host _dc-mx.f1202d9a4fb3.cyrania.com. >>> _dc-mx.f1202d9a4fb3.cyrania.com has address 162.213.253

Re: MTA (corrected)

2021-07-05 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 01:00:07PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > On 2021-07-05 12:46 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote: > > unicorn:~$ host _dc-mx.f1202d9a4fb3.cyrania.com. > > _dc-mx.f1202d9a4fb3.cyrania.com has address 162.213.253.79 > > Host _dc-mx.f1202d9a4fb3.cyrania.com not found: 3

Re: MTA (corrected)

2021-07-05 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi On 2021-07-05 12:46 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 10:32:27AM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside > wrote: >> This is a copy of the dump of my domain name config for CYRANIA.COM >> >> ---START >> > [snip] > >> cyrania.com. 1 IN A 162.213.253.79 >

Re: MTA (corrected)

2021-07-05 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 10:32:27AM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > This is a copy of the dump of my domain name config for CYRANIA.COM > > ---START > [snip] > cyrania.com. 1 IN A 162.213.253.79 > ;; MX Records > cyrania.com. 1 IN MX 0 mail.

Re: MTA (corrected)

2021-07-05 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2021-07-05 10:55 a.m., Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2021-07-05 10:32:27 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: >>> What is this 162.213.253.79 IP address? >> >> The IP address 162.213.253.79 is the dedicated IP I rent from Namecheap. > > OK. > >> Can you control its reverse? >>> >>

Re: MTA

2021-07-05 Thread John Hasler
Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside writes: > I agree with you, people who SPAM do have the infrastructure to make > their domain resolution match, both forward, reverse and possibly > side-way if there's a need. They have huge amount of resources to do > so, they may even locate their server farm (phy

Re: MTA

2021-07-05 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2021-07-05 10:22:26 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > What annoy my is that I am paying for a dedicated IP for my server (in > shared hosting) and I believe it must be a mis-configuration I've done, Yes, a mis-configuration in your case (see my other mail message). > I agree with

Re: MTA (corrected)

2021-07-05 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2021-07-05 10:32:27 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > > What is this 162.213.253.79 IP address? > > The IP address 162.213.253.79 is the dedicated IP I rent from Namecheap. OK. > Can you control its reverse? > > > Good question, I'll need to go back read a bit on networking and

Re: MTA

2021-07-05 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2021-07-05 10:06:24 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 03:48:47PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > On 2021-07-05 09:35:22 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > [...] > > > Your "reverse" (PTR record for 162.213.253.79) doesn't match. Which is > > > to say, none of the "A" results

Re: MTA (corrected)

2021-07-05 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, > premium58.web-hosting.com is not your SMTP submission server: > > $ host premium58.web-hosting.com > premium58.web-hosting.com has address 198.54.120.203 > The server premium58.web-hosting.com is hosted by NameCheap and is used by many of their user as part of their server farm. All the IP

Re: MTA

2021-07-05 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi Greg, On 2021-07-05 10:06 a.m., Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 03:48:47PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: >> On 2021-07-05 09:35:22 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: >> [...] >>> Your "reverse" (PTR record for 162.213.253.79) doesn't match. Which is >>> to say, none of the "A" results

Re: MTA

2021-07-05 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 03:48:47PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2021-07-05 09:35:22 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > [...] > > Your "reverse" (PTR record for 162.213.253.79) doesn't match. Which is > > to say, none of the "A" results from cyrania.com. match the original > > IP address of 162.21

Re: MTA

2021-07-05 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2021-07-05 09:41:02 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > Hi, > > On 2021-07-05 9:35 a.m., Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 09:23:03AM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside > > wrote: > >> Reporting-MTA: dns; premium58.web-hostin

Re: MTA

2021-07-05 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2021-07-05 09:35:22 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: [...] > Your "reverse" (PTR record for 162.213.253.79) doesn't match. Which is > to say, none of the "A" results from cyrania.com. match the original > IP address of 162.213.253.79. > > Some SMTP receivers may care about that. [...] Yes, the rea

Re: MTA

2021-07-05 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2021-07-05 9:35 a.m., Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 09:23:03AM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside > wrote: >> Reporting-MTA: dns; premium58.web-hosting.com >> >> Action: failed >> Final-Recipient: rfc822;bjoern.ri...@greenbone.net >&

Re: MTA

2021-07-05 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 09:23:03AM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > Reporting-MTA: dns; premium58.web-hosting.com > > Action: failed > Final-Recipient: rfc822;bjoern.ri...@greenbone.net > Status: 5.0.0 > Remote-MTA: dns; mail.greenbone.net > Diagnostic-Code: sm

MTA

2021-07-05 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
the error message received by "returned mail" : Reporting-MTA: dns; premium58.web-hosting.com Action: failed Final-Recipient: rfc822;bjoern.ri...@greenbone.net Status: 5.0.0 Remote-MTA: dns; mail.greenbone.net Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 162.

Re: Help with msmtp-mta

2021-04-05 Thread Fabrice Bauzac-Stehly
ano /etc/mail.rc > > append the following: > > set mta=/usr/bin/msmtp Good for you if it works! I have the feeling that unfortunately the root cause of the initial problem (it works with bsd-mailx but still fails with mailutils, correct?) remains a mystery though. Maybe you would l

Re: Help with msmtp-mta

2021-04-04 Thread geoadmin
This worked From https://moritzvd.com/email-with-smtp-debian-ubuntu/ In order to be able to use the mail command wee need to install mailx sudo apt-get install bsd-mailx Set mail transport agent to use msmtp sudo nano /etc/mail.rc append the following: set mta=/usr/bin/msmtp

Re: Help with msmtp-mta

2021-04-04 Thread geoadmin
Hi all! Thanks Fabrice, for your thoughtful reply and for forwarding the question here. Replying below with more details about the issue: I guess you're talking about this wiki page: https://wiki.debian.org/msmtp[1] Yes, and thank you for the improvements These error messages are in

Re: Help with msmtp-mta

2021-04-03 Thread Fabrice Bauzac-Stehly
geoad...@sapo.pt writes: > I was going throught msmtp docs at the debian wiki,but I'm still > having trouble setting msmtp-mta. I guess you're talking about this wiki page: https://wiki.debian.org/msmtp I've just reviewed it and updated it with a few improvements. >

Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism

2021-02-16 Thread David Wright
On Wed 17 Feb 2021 at 07:49:57 (+0800), Kevin Shell wrote: > On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 07:47:51AM +0800, Kevin Shell wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 07:39:15AM +0800, Kevin Shell wrote: > > > On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 04:38:06PM -0600, David Wright wrote: > > > > On Tue 16 Feb 2021 at 17:48:25 (+080

Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism

2021-02-16 Thread David Wright
On Wed 17 Feb 2021 at 07:39:15 (+0800), Kevin Shell wrote: > On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 04:38:06PM -0600, David Wright wrote: > > On Tue 16 Feb 2021 at 17:48:25 (+0800), Kevin Shell wrote: > > > [...] > > > Isn't Debian already has a /etc/alternatives/ mechanism? > > > > AIUI all the targets of /etc

Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism

2021-02-16 Thread Kevin Shell
On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 07:47:51AM +0800, Kevin Shell wrote: > On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 07:39:15AM +0800, Kevin Shell wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 04:38:06PM -0600, David Wright wrote: > > > On Tue 16 Feb 2021 at 17:48:25 (+0800), Kevin Shell wrote: > > > > > [...] > > > > Isn't Debian alread

Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism

2021-02-16 Thread Kevin Shell
On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 07:39:15AM +0800, Kevin Shell wrote: > On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 04:38:06PM -0600, David Wright wrote: > > On Tue 16 Feb 2021 at 17:48:25 (+0800), Kevin Shell wrote: > > > [...] > > > Isn't Debian already has a /etc/alternatives/ mechanism? > > > > AIUI all the targets of /e

Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism

2021-02-16 Thread Kevin Shell
On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 04:38:06PM -0600, David Wright wrote: > On Tue 16 Feb 2021 at 17:48:25 (+0800), Kevin Shell wrote: > [...] > > Isn't Debian already has a /etc/alternatives/ mechanism? > > AIUI all the targets of /etc/alternatives are all installed at the > same time, and can be simultaneo

Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism

2021-02-16 Thread David Wright
On Tue 16 Feb 2021 at 17:48:25 (+0800), Kevin Shell wrote: > On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 11:29:54AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Ma, 16 feb 21, 16:37:20, Kevin Shell wrote: > > > Why Debian does't have a switchable MTA mechanism > > > to allow instal

Re: Conflicting alternatives (was: Debian switchable MTA mechanism)

2021-02-16 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 17:22:21 +0100 wrote: ... > Exactly. This is user-y stuff: imagine two X servers running on behalf > of two users (some time ago, those were a separate hardware: remember > those shiny HP thingies with a whopping 6 MB of RAM and a huge monitor? > > This was before HP special

Re: Conflicting alternatives (was: Debian switchable MTA mechanism)

2021-02-16 Thread didar
how much work it takes to tweak the > > packages. > > An MTA has to provide certain things, or else it is not an MTA. > > One of those is a daemon listening on port 25. > > Another is a /usr/sbin/sendmail command that accepts new mail. > > There is no requirement

Re: Conflicting alternatives (was: Debian switchable MTA mechanism)

2021-02-16 Thread tomas
On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 09:17:13AM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > Therefore, you'll find apretty advanced alternatives system > > for client-y stuff in Debian (editor, MUA, what not) but > > not for server-y stuff. > > Hmm... so that's your take on it? > Maybe you're right. I was thinking of th

Re: Conflicting alternatives (was: Debian switchable MTA mechanism)

2021-02-16 Thread Dan Ritter
Stefan Monnier wrote: > Still, there is to me no good reason not to allow installing both exim > and postfix at the same time. I think it's just a tradeoff between how > often this could be useful and how much work it takes to tweak the > packages. An MTA has to provide certai

Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism

2021-02-16 Thread Darac Marjal
On 16/02/2021 14:19, Semih Ozlem wrote: > Just out of curiosity what is MTA short for? Mail Transfer Agent. Email has a whole bunch of similar acronyms to describe the various parts of the flow of email. You compose in an MUA (Mail User Agent), which hands it so an MSA (Mail Submission Ag

Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism

2021-02-16 Thread IL Ka
>Just out of curiosity what is MTA short for? Mail Transfer Agent. This is a server that must be able to: * get email message from MUA (mail user agent) * forward/route it to the destination (or to the right direction at least) * As last step, MTA sends message to the MDA (mail delivery ag

Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism

2021-02-16 Thread Semih Ozlem
Just out of curiosity what is MTA short for? Kevin Shell , 16 Şub 2021 Sal, 11:57 tarihinde şunu yazdı: > Hello Debian Users. > > Why Debian does't have a switchable MTA mechanism > to allow install multiple MTAs at the same time? > > Fedora, Centos etc. allow users to ins

Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism

2021-02-16 Thread rhkramer
On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 08:33:50 AM Dan Ritter wrote: > Kevin Shell wrote: > > Looks like stupid to use this command to switch MTA. 🤓 > > Are you calling me stupid for answering your question? I'm glad you (dsr) "called him out"! (I was getting ready to d

Conflicting alternatives (was: Debian switchable MTA mechanism)

2021-02-16 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Therefore, you'll find apretty advanced alternatives system > for client-y stuff in Debian (editor, MUA, what not) but > not for server-y stuff. Hmm... so that's your take on it? Maybe you're right. I was thinking of the display manager as a counter-example (you can install lxdm, gdm, and other

Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism

2021-02-16 Thread Dan Ritter
e > > > > command to move to the next one is > > > > > > > > apt install MTA-NAME > > > > > > > Looks like stupid to use this command to switch MTA. 🤓 > > > > Are you calling me stupid for answering your question? > > No

Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism

2021-02-16 Thread Kevin Shell
On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 08:33:50AM -0500, Dan Ritter wrote: > Kevin Shell wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 06:39:03AM -0500, Dan Ritter wrote: > > [...] > > > Don't purge them. Just install each of them in turn. Then the > > > command to move to the next on

Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism

2021-02-16 Thread Kevin Shell
On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 08:33:50AM -0500, Dan Ritter wrote: > Kevin Shell wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 06:39:03AM -0500, Dan Ritter wrote: > > [...] > > > Don't purge them. Just install each of them in turn. Then the > > > command to move to the next on

Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism

2021-02-16 Thread Dan Ritter
Kevin Shell wrote: > On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 06:39:03AM -0500, Dan Ritter wrote: > [...] > > Don't purge them. Just install each of them in turn. Then the > > command to move to the next one is > > > > apt install MTA-NAME > > > Looks like stupid to

Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism

2021-02-16 Thread Kevin Shell
#x27;t purge them. Just install each of them in turn. Then the > command to move to the next one is > > apt install MTA-NAME > Looks like stupid to use this command to switch MTA. 🤓 I think the Debian's /etc/alternatives/ method could be applied to MTAs or other similar pac

Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism

2021-02-16 Thread Dan Ritter
Kevin Shell wrote: > On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 11:29:54AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Ma, 16 feb 21, 16:37:20, Kevin Shell wrote: > > > Hello Debian Users. > > > > > > Why Debian does't have a switchable MTA mechanism > > > to allow insta

Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism

2021-02-16 Thread tomas
On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 05:48:25PM +0800, Kevin Shell wrote: > On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 11:29:54AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Ma, 16 feb 21, 16:37:20, Kevin Shell wrote: > > > Hello Debian Users. > > > > > > Why Debian does't have a switchable MTA

Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism

2021-02-16 Thread Kamil Jońca
Georgi Naplatanov writes: > On 2/16/21 10:37 AM, Kevin Shell wrote: >> Hello Debian Users. >> >> Why Debian does't have a switchable MTA mechanism >> to allow install multiple MTAs at the same time? >> >> Fedora, Centos etc. allow users to install &

Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism

2021-02-16 Thread Kevin Shell
On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 11:13:36AM +0200, Georgi Naplatanov wrote: > Hi Kevin. > > What is the use-case for multiple MTAs, port 25 is only one. > I run a VPS, for study purpose to switch between MTAs not having to remove one to get the other, I want to keep them installed at the same time. You ca

Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism

2021-02-16 Thread Kevin Shell
On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 11:29:54AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Ma, 16 feb 21, 16:37:20, Kevin Shell wrote: > > Hello Debian Users. > > > > Why Debian does't have a switchable MTA mechanism > > to allow install multiple MTAs at the same time? > > Why

Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism

2021-02-16 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 16 feb 21, 16:37:20, Kevin Shell wrote: > Hello Debian Users. > > Why Debian does't have a switchable MTA mechanism > to allow install multiple MTAs at the same time? Why do you need this? > Fedora, Centos etc. allow users to install multiple MTAs at the same > mu

Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism

2021-02-16 Thread Georgi Naplatanov
On 2/16/21 10:37 AM, Kevin Shell wrote: > Hello Debian Users. > > Why Debian does't have a switchable MTA mechanism > to allow install multiple MTAs at the same time? > > Fedora, Centos etc. allow users to install > multiple MTAs at the same time. > There's a &

Debian switchable MTA mechanism

2021-02-16 Thread Kevin Shell
Hello Debian Users. Why Debian does't have a switchable MTA mechanism to allow install multiple MTAs at the same time? Fedora, Centos etc. allow users to install multiple MTAs at the same time. There's a "alternatives --config mta" command to allow to choose between alternative MTA. -- kevin

Re: Own MTA is hard (was: chromebook)

2019-07-11 Thread tomas
On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 11:34:53AM +0300, Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 10:22:40AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: [...] > > Most probably you'll have to implement SPF and/or DKIM [1, 2] > > Both, and a DMARC too. Also, valid PTR records. While not required by > any RFC, va

Re: Own MTA is hard (was: chromebook)

2019-07-11 Thread Reco
Hi. On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 10:22:40AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 10:33:58PM -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 12:52 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Jul 09, 2019 at 06:48:22PM +0200, mjonsson1...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > >

Re: How can reportbug sends an email witthout an MTA installed ?

2018-12-25 Thread aprekates
ernet protocol. man 1 reportbug talks of /usr/bin/sendmail. I guess the logic can be inspected at https://sources.debian.org/src/reportbug/7.5.1/reportbug/submit.py/#L202 In line 334 it starts an MTA and connects it by a pipe. Alternatively, in line 353 it begins to talk SMTP to the host whose ad

Re: How can reportbug sends an email witthout an MTA installed ?

2018-12-25 Thread Thomas Schmitt
it.py/#L202 In line 334 it starts an MTA and connects it by a pipe. Alternatively, in line 353 it begins to talk SMTP to the host whose address is in variable smtphost. This is done via a python class named "smtplib". It should be possibile to distinguish the code paths used in your l

How can reportbug sends an email witthout an MTA installed ?

2018-12-25 Thread aprekates
I dont find any email MTA in my system  , and dont recall ever using or configuring one. I use only thunderbird for my emails. But reportbug can send emails to BTS . How does it do that ? Alexandros

Re: Proof of concept: Mailing list "software" without MTA

2018-10-26 Thread rhkramer
On Friday, October 26, 2018 01:50:22 AM Reco wrote: > On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 05:57:04PM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: < darn, I lost one of the "citations" -- can't think of the right word -- I think it was Reco who wrote:> > > > It says here what you'v

Re: Proof of concept: Mailing list "software" without MTA

2018-10-25 Thread Reco
CN "smtp.gmail.com", > > Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (not verified)) by bendel.debian.org > > (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 647D0264 for ; Thu, > > 25 Oct 2018 20:26:40 +0000 (UTC) > > > > It says here what you've used Google's MTA. > >

Re: Proof of concept: Mailing list "software" without MTA

2018-10-25 Thread rhkramer
> > That's OK. Listening all those voices in the head - that's really > disturbing ;) > > > I am 100% sure I can create mailing list software that does not need an > > MTA. If this post gets to the list, that is proof -- read on if you > > wish. (Of co

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