On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Raf Czlonka wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 12:29:03PM GMT, Tom H wrote:
>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 5:12 AM, Raf Czlonka wrote:
>> > On Wed, Nov 09, 2011 at 11:12:01PM GMT, Ismael Scalcon wrote:
>> >> To clarify things up (ok, a bit off topic):
>> >>
>> >> Red
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 6:09 AM, Harry Putnam wrote:
> Walter Hurry writes:
>> On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 21:12:01 -0200, Ismael Scalcon wrote:
>>
>>> But it's still opensource, so the source code is free to download and
>>> compile. The guys at CentOS do it, they get all the source code for RHL,
>>> re
O right, sorry, I was talking about RHEL, just didn't notticed the talk was
about RHL, as RHL doesn't exist anymore.
@Walter
And I'm having the same doubt, why CentOS is so despicable? Just to know.
Or is Scientific Linux technically better than CentOS, and that's why you
choose it instead?
Rega
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 12:29:03PM GMT, Tom H wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 5:12 AM, Raf Czlonka wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 09, 2011 at 11:12:01PM GMT, Ismael Scalcon wrote:
> >>
> >> To clarify things up (ok, a bit off topic):
> >>
> >> Red Hat Linux is a commercial distro, but what they sell is t
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 5:12 AM, Raf Czlonka wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 09, 2011 at 11:12:01PM GMT, Ismael Scalcon wrote:
>>
>> To clarify things up (ok, a bit off topic):
>>
>> Red Hat Linux is a commercial distro, but what they sell is the supporte
>
> To clarify things, Red Hat Linux _was_ a distro a
Walter Hurry writes:
> On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 21:12:01 -0200, Ismael Scalcon wrote:
>
>> But it's still opensource, so the source code is free to download and
>> compile. The guys at CentOS do it, they get all the source code for RHL,
>> remove the Red Hat branding and distribute it.
>
> And the guy
On Wed, Nov 09, 2011 at 11:12:01PM GMT, Ismael Scalcon wrote:
> To clarify things up (ok, a bit off topic):
>
> Red Hat Linux is a commercial distro, but what they sell is the supporte
To clarify things, Red Hat Linux _was_ a distro available as a free
download with or without commercial support.
On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 21:12:01 -0200, Ismael Scalcon wrote:
> But it's still opensource, so the source code is free to download and
> compile. The guys at CentOS do it, they get all the source code for RHL,
> remove the Red Hat branding and distribute it.
And the guys at Scientific Linux (Fermilab
To clarify things up (ok, a bit off topic):
Red Hat Linux is a commercial distro, but what they sell is the supporte
services. The thing is, you cannot get RHL without paying for the support.
But it's still opensource, so the source code is free to download and
compile. The guys at CentOS do it, t
On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 13:34:59 -0500, Doug wrote:
> Out of curiosity I downloaded the LIVE Fedora 16. The user interface is
> like nothing I ever saw. If this is the future of computing, I think
> I'll go back to pocket calculator and typewriter!
Fedora is my main distribution, though I use Debian
On 11/09/2011 12:34 PM, Tom H wrote:
On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Miles Fidelman
wrote:
Red Hat Linux = Red Hat's original commercial product
Commercial?! You could get it for free like Fedora as well as get it
for free and then enter into a service contract with RH.
Out of curiosity I
On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Miles Fidelman
wrote:
>
> Red Hat Linux = Red Hat's original commercial product
Commercial?! You could get it for free like Fedora as well as get it
for free and then enter into a service contract with RH.
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Andrei Popescu wrote:
On Du, 30 oct 11, 00:56:55, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Btw. instead of Red Hat I tested Fedora on a virtual machine, set up on
Suse. Fedora might be a very good choice for beginners and experienced
users too. Is there still a Red Hat distro? Regarding to the German Wiki
Red Hat be
On Du, 30 oct 11, 00:56:55, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
> Btw. instead of Red Hat I tested Fedora on a virtual machine, set up on
> Suse. Fedora might be a very good choice for beginners and experienced
> users too. Is there still a Red Hat distro? Regarding to the German Wiki
> Red Hat became Fedora.
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Camaleón wrote:
> Yes, upgrading or installing from scratch a new version of openSUSE will
> be very familiar for you, it's pretty the same. Big changes happen from
> time time and usually are smoothly added, so this should not be a problem
> at all.
>
> In fact,
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 7:28 PM, Miles Fidelman
wrote:
A newbie to ANY o/s is going to need some help with installation,
> configuration, software selection/installation/**configuration, general
> use, etc.
>
> That help has to come from somewhere - either paid, or from a community (or
> both).
>
On Sun, 2011-10-30 at 00:24 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sat, 2011-10-29 at 09:58 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> > - need for current versions of specific software packages (at least for
> > some of the packages I rely on, the packaged versions tend to lag well
> > behind the upstream versions
On Sat, 2011-10-29 at 09:58 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> - need for current versions of specific software packages (at least for
> some of the packages I rely on, the packaged versions tend to lag well
> behind the upstream versions, and I end up installing a lot of stuff
> from the upstream t
On Sat, 2011-10-29 at 09:58 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> - ease of software installation (IMHO apt makes things easier than any
> other packaging system out there)
There are GUIs that will help us, synaptic, yast, smart etc..
OT: There's one advantage all Linux distros do share. It's easy to
b
I have been both a Debian and Ubuntu user for some time. Recently switched
to virtual box and gave up the partitioning and while the process is
absolutely astounding
the size of the desktop was rather disappointing. Recently installed SUSE on
VB and was astounded the desktop covers my entire 17.3 i
Tom H wrote:
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
A good Linux distro for beginners is a Linux distro with a huge
community, IOW a distro that is used by many people and that comes with
lot's of up to date forums, wikis etc., hence a good distro for
beginners would be one of th
On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 17:15:22 +0530, Linux Tyro wrote:
> I just meant that, security patched for 18 months are enough for the
> beginners and the people who are from other filed (like me). After 18
> months, in the home PC, we can reinstall the newer version again (or
> upgrade the same, if it does
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 6:13 PM, Tom H wrote:
> A good Linux distro for beginners is a Linux distro with a huge
> > community, IOW a distro that is used by many people and that comes with
> > lot's of up to date forums, wikis etc., hence a good distro for
> > beginners would be one of the major d
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
To be holier than the pope, it's written that this is a Debian list
Correct and that's why I came to know that Debian is as solid as a rock!
> so if you blame me, you should blame yourself too ;).
>
It's not the question of who is blaming (
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 6:03 AM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
> On Sat, 2011-10-29 at 09:19 +, Camaleón wrote:
>>
>> http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:System_upgrade
>>
>> ***
>> Version: 11.2+ Starting with openSUSE 11.2, a live upgrade from the prior
>> version is officially supported. This allows to perfor
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
>
> A good Linux distro for beginners is a Linux distro with a huge
> community, IOW a distro that is used by many people and that comes with
> lot's of up to date forums, wikis etc., hence a good distro for
> beginners would be one of the major
t; > debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2011 : Issue 1995
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> > Re: Just a simple query [ Linux Tyro
> > ]
> email message attachment (Re: Just a simple query)
> > Forwarded Message
> > From: Linux Ty
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 8:54 PM, Camaleón wrote:
By trying both LiveCDs you will see how the two system look like, how
> they're organized and the most important part for a LiveCD: you'll can
> try out the hardware detection.
>
That's really the most important part, I should say 'most important'
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> all in all your imagination is nonsense.
>
- Do not use foul language; besides, some people receive the lists via
packet radio, where swearing is illegal.
It is from here http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct
> I don't
On Sat, 2011-10-29 at 09:19 +, Camaleón wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:55:39 -0300, francis picabia wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 5:00 PM, Camaleón wrote:
>
> > I can't find docs which say you can do a major version upgrade without
> > booting installation media in SUSE.
>
> (...)
>
On Sat, 2011-10-29 at 01:08 -0400, Doug wrote:
> On 10/28/2011 07:04 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Fri, 2011-10-28 at 23:27 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> >> On 28 October 2011 15:20, Ralf Mardorf wrote
> >>> I don't know PCLinuxOS, but I'm sure it won't work OOTB for all needs.
> >>>
> >>> People mig
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:07:34 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote:
> Camaleón wrote:
>> For such "big jumps" the official supported method is using the DVD
>> (off- line upgrade) but AFAIK, it is the same here in Debian, only "one
>> jump" is supported which does not mean that you cannot upgrade from
>> Debian
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:48:36 -0300, francis picabia wrote:
> Right after that, it does discuss upgrade via zypper, but it mentions
> only minor version upgrades in the discussion. Well, at least those
> would be minor version upgrades in Debian. Maybe in SUSE it is a major
> change. If so, then h
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:55:39 -0300, francis picabia wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 5:00 PM, Camaleón wrote:
> I can't find docs which say you can do a major version upgrade without
> booting installation media in SUSE.
(...)
I already sent you the link, maybe you missed it:
http://en.opensu
On 10/28/2011 07:04 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Fri, 2011-10-28 at 23:27 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On 28 October 2011 15:20, Ralf Mardorf wrote
I don't know PCLinuxOS, but I'm sure it won't work OOTB for all needs.
People might read the list's archive, so please don't write such
careless general
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 6:55 PM, francis picabia wrote:
> I can't find docs which say you can do a major version upgrade without booting
> installation media in SUSE.
>
> I do see this:
>
> http://www.novell.com/documentation/opensuse114/book_opensuse_reference/?page=/documentation/opensuse114/bo
On Sat, 2011-10-29 at 01:04 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-10-28 at 23:27 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On 28 October 2011 15:20, Ralf Mardorf wrote
> > > I don't know PCLinuxOS, but I'm sure it won't work OOTB for all needs.
> > >
> > > People might read the list's archive, so please don
On Fri, 2011-10-28 at 23:27 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On 28 October 2011 15:20, Ralf Mardorf wrote
> > I don't know PCLinuxOS, but I'm sure it won't work OOTB for all needs.
> >
> > People might read the list's archive, so please don't write such
> > careless generalisations.
>
> Yours is the car
On 28 October 2011 15:20, Ralf Mardorf wrote
> I don't know PCLinuxOS, but I'm sure it won't work OOTB for all needs.
>
> People might read the list's archive, so please don't write such
> careless generalisations.
Yours is the careless generalisation. This was in reply to a specific
poster and i
Camaleón wrote:
> For such "big jumps" the official supported method is using the DVD (off-
> line upgrade) but AFAIK, it is the same here in Debian, only "one jump"
> is supported which does not mean that you cannot upgrade from Debian 4 to
> Debian 6, but like openSUSE, that scenario is noy "of
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 5:00 PM, Camaleón wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:10:53 -0300, francis picabia wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Camaleón wrote:
>>> On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:41:46 -0300, francis picabia wrote:
>>
However I don't use Suse so I wouldn't be on top of the lates
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:10:53 -0300, francis picabia wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Camaleón wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:41:46 -0300, francis picabia wrote:
>
>>> However I don't use Suse so I wouldn't be on top of the latest here. I
>>> am talking about major upgrades, like 11 t
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Camaleón wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:41:46 -0300, francis picabia wrote:
>> However I don't use Suse so I wouldn't be on top of the latest here. I
>> am talking about major upgrades, like 11 to 12, not 11.3 to 11.4.
>
> For such "big jumps" the official suppo
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:46:45 -0400, Robert Blair Mason Jr. wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:58:51 + (UTC) Camaleón
> wrote:
(...)
>> I'm not sure that "stability" and "freedom" were inside the "novice"
>> part but anyway, openSUSE is also stable (rock solid) and cares about
>> your freedom ;
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:41:46 -0300, francis picabia wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Camaleón wrote:
(...)
>> Maybe you think that because you see openSUSE as a "transient" step to
>> finally reach Debian but it is not: openSUSE is powerful enough to fit
>> any requirements, from the
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:53:17 +0530, Linux Tyro wrote:
(...)
> However, I have not understood the meanings of all these packages (this
> is what people say here), I guess, openSUSE is good to start with.
> While, Debian too could be a rock solid, but I don't know why I am going
> to try (with a Li
OT: Just for entertainment. Some guys of my age might be accustomed to
the Fairlight CMI's OS, based on a 68000 as the Atari is based too, but
a little bit more expensive than the Atari.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5C4VF7xdcc
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On Fri, 2011-10-28 at 16:20 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> I didn't read the thread, just this mail.
> Suse
Yes, I read about one point of a second mail, but I didn't read anything
more. Note, people searching the archive might do the same as I did.
Don't care to much about migrating from one OS t
On Fri, 2011-10-28 at 17:56 +0530, Linux Tyro wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 2:25 AM, Patrick Bartek
> wrote:
>
> If you are truly a Linux tyro. . . . In my opinion, PCLinuxOS
> is one of the best distributions to start with simply because
> it's designed from the groun
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 2:25 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
If you are truly a Linux tyro. . . . In my opinion, PCLinuxOS is one of the
> best distributions to start with simply because it's designed from the
> ground up for those coming from another OS like Windows, or who have no
> Linux or OS admi
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 11:11 PM, francis picabia wrote:
I think you read something into that which wasn't stated. I never
> mentioned openSUSE.
>
You might have never used that, that's why, I guess you didn't mention.
> In Debian it requires only a quick couple of reboots to load the newer
>
--- On Wed, 10/26/11, Linux Tyro wrote:
> I am beginner in Linux and do another job. But I use computer very less.
> Just a simple doubts regarding the selection. Please suggest me regarding
> the following:
>
> "Debian vs openSUSE for a novice"
Neither.
If you are truly a Linux tyro. . . .
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:58:51 + (UTC)
Camaleón wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:59:38 -0400, Burhan Hanoglu wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Camaleón
> > wrote:
> >> On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:55:40 +0530, Linux Tyro wrote:
> >>
> >>> I am beginner in Linux and do another job. But I
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> A distribution that does everything with the GUI certainly makes things
> easier for beginners, but I think that unless you take the plunge and
> become comfortable with the command line you are likely to progress
> only slowly.
Yes, how
On 27 Oct 2011, Burhan Hanoglu wrote:
[snip]
> However; "perfection" for a novice is not just to find another OS or
> GNU/Linux distribution using which they can do everything on a stable
> GUI. What eventually is more important is the scene behind the GUI. I
> have to admit that GUI helps a nov
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Camaleón wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:04:02 -0300, francis picabia wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Camaleón wrote:
>
The problem with most "reviews" is they base it on a fresh install and
Desktop set up.
Living with a distro is
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 6:36 PM, Joe wrote:
That's the best place to be. Too old and it can't use enough RAM to be
> useful, too new and the hardware hasn't yet been reverse-engineered to
> write drivers, as few manufacturers bother producing good drivers for
> Linux. That's not specific to Debia
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Camaleón wrote:
I wanted to say that when you are a linux newbie (we all have been there)
> your main concern is not focused in "freedom" or "stability" but
> understanding how all that stuff works and how can do what you need with
> the less problems, if possible
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:47:33 -0400, Burhan Hanoglu wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:03 AM, Camaleón wrote:
>> I wanted to say that when you are a linux newbie (we all have been
>> there) your main concern is not focused in "freedom" or "stability" but
>> understanding how all that stuff works
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:03 AM, Camaleón wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 21:41:16 -0400, Burhan Hanoglu wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Camaleón wrote:
>
> (...)
>
Debian is (at least) one of the best GNU/Linux distributions to use if
you want to experience the excitement of
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:04:02 -0300, francis picabia wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Camaleón wrote:
>>> The problem with most "reviews" is they base it on a fresh install and
>>> Desktop set up.
>>>
>>> Living with a distro is often far different than a fresh install.
>>
>> (...)
>>
>>
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:00:26 +0530
Linux Tyro wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Joe wrote:
>
>
> Okay, what I meant is that Debain is for Testing for the self
> stability only (not commercialized like Fedora for RHEL...). Of
> course, it should be the testbed for Testing before integra
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Camaleón wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 15:40:00 -0300, francis picabia wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Camaleón wrote:
>>> On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:55:40 +0530, Linux Tyro wrote:
>>>
I am beginner in Linux and do another job. But I use computer very
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 21:41:16 -0400, Burhan Hanoglu wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Camaleón wrote:
(...)
>>> Debian is (at least) one of the best GNU/Linux distributions to use if
>>> you want to experience the excitement of discovering the real Linux
>>> /Unix stuff behind the GUI. O
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Joe wrote:
'Stability' and 'getting new software frequently' are incompatible.
> Debian has three distributions running. The only one advertised and
> called just 'Debian' is the Stable version. It receives quick fixes for
> security bugs, but on the whole, no new
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 12:56:25 +0530
Linux Tyro wrote:
> >
>
> Okk. It means that they soon changes but at least Debian is rock solid
> stable (because it is not the test bed of anybody like SLES or RHEL or
> anyother...). Is it exactly like this that Debian is only for those
> who need a very st
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:09 PM, Walter Hurry wrote:
I may get flamed for this (we are on a Debian list after all), but both
> are IMHO quite straightforward and simple to use for virtually all
> mainstream tasks, provided one reads and follows the instructions on the
> side of the tin.
>
> Leavi
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Camaleón wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:59:38 -0400, Burhan Hanoglu wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Camaleón wrote:
>>> On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:55:40 +0530, Linux Tyro wrote:
>>>
I am beginner in Linux and do another job. But I use computer very
On Wednesday 26 October 2011 18:25:40 Linux Tyro wrote:
> Please suggest me regarding
> the following:
>
> "Debian vs openSUSE for a novice"
Personally, I would say Debian every time, but it is horses for courses.
I started on SuSE. I stuck it for a while, and then could take it no longer.
I a
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 15:40:00 -0300, francis picabia wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Camaleón wrote:
>> On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:55:40 +0530, Linux Tyro wrote:
>>
>>> I am beginner in Linux and do another job. But I use computer very
>>> less. Just a simple doubts regarding the selection.
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:59:38 -0400, Burhan Hanoglu wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Camaleón wrote:
>> On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:55:40 +0530, Linux Tyro wrote:
>>
>>> I am beginner in Linux and do another job. But I use computer very
>>> less. Just a simple doubts regarding the selection. P
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Camaleón wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:55:40 +0530, Linux Tyro wrote:
>
>> I am beginner in Linux and do another job. But I use computer very less.
>> Just a simple doubts regarding the selection. Please suggest me
>> regarding the following:
>>
>> "Debian vs ope
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Camaleón wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:55:40 +0530, Linux Tyro wrote:
>
>> I am beginner in Linux and do another job. But I use computer very less.
>> Just a simple doubts regarding the selection. Please suggest me
>> regarding the following:
>>
>> "Debian vs ope
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:55:40 +0530, Linux Tyro wrote:
> I am beginner in Linux and do another job. But I use computer very less.
> Just a simple doubts regarding the selection. Please suggest me
> regarding the following:
>
> "Debian vs openSUSE for a novice"
Well, being this a Debian mailing li
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:55:40 +0530, Linux Tyro wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am beginner in Linux and do another job. But I use computer very less.
> Just a simple doubts regarding the selection. Please suggest me
> regarding the following:
>
> "Debian vs openSUSE for a novice"
>
> I am very beginner, how
Hi,
I am beginner in Linux and do another job. But I use computer very less.
Just a simple doubts regarding the selection. Please suggest me regarding
the following:
"Debian vs openSUSE for a novice"
I am very beginner, however, I do have used Linux (only installed and net
surfed in it) but neve
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