On 30/10/2014, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 05:56:25PM +0100, Siard wrote:
>> I just installed the x86_64 version in my new PC (amd64) with 'dpkg -i'.
>> After trying to 'apt-get install' the 3 gstreamer*-dependencies,
>> I followed apt's advice to try 'apt-get -f install'
On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 05:56:25PM +0100, Siard wrote:
> I just installed the x86_64 version in my new PC (amd64) with 'dpkg -i'.
> After trying to 'apt-get install' the 3 gstreamer*-dependencies,
> I followed apt's advice to try 'apt-get -f install' (without packages)
> and voilà: all dependen
On 30/10/14 07:52, Charlie wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 17:56:25 +0100 Siard sent:
>
>> I followed apt's advice to try 'apt-get -f install' (without packages)
>> and voilà: all dependencies were neatly solved.
>
> Thank you, I have to be honest, I was a bit wary about doing that, so
> didn't try
On Jo, 30 oct 14, 07:52:37, Charlie wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 17:56:25 +0100 Siard sent:
>
> > I followed apt's advice to try 'apt-get -f install' (without packages)
> > and voilà: all dependencies were neatly solved.
>
> Thank you, I have to be honest, I was a bit wary about doing that, so
>
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 17:56:25 +0100 Siard sent:
> I followed apt's advice to try 'apt-get -f install' (without packages)
> and voilà: all dependencies were neatly solved.
Thank you, I have to be honest, I was a bit wary about doing that, so
didn't try it.
Charlie
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Charlie:
> Charles Kroeger:
> > I suggest you try Opera beta. It's the best browser I've used in a
> > long time.
> >
> > Version:26.0.1656.8 - Opera is up to date
> > Update stream: beta
> > System: Debian GNU/Linux jessie/sid (x86_64; XFCE)
> >
> > http://deb.opera.com
>
> But dep
Le 29.10.2014 06:38, Charlie a écrit :
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 13:47:26 -0400 Charles Kroeger sent:
It's very maintained on linux. I suggest you try Opera beta. It's
the
best browser I've used in a long time.
Version:26.0.1656.8 - Opera is up to date
Update stream: beta
System: Debian
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 13:47:26 -0400 Charles Kroeger sent:
> It's very maintained on linux. I suggest you try Opera beta. It's the
> best browser I've used in a long time.
>
> Version: 26.0.1656.8 - Opera is up to date
> Update stream:beta
> System: Debian GNU/Linux jessie/sid (x
On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 17:40:02 +0200
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
> opera might be closed source and unmaintained on
> linux, it's still my favorite.
It's very maintained on linux. I suggest you try Opera beta. It's the best
browser
I've used in a long time.
Version:26.0.1656.8 -
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 02:41:26PM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
>
>
> Le 23.10.2014 20:40, lee a écrit :
> >berenger.mo...@neutralite.org writes:
> >
> >>The only problem is bash, here: it is unable to handle
> >>multi-instances, so the histories are lost more or less randomly when
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org writes:
>> Do you use tmux?
>
> No, I do not really see the interest of using it, I must admit it.
One advantage is that you can detach from the session and even log out
and come back later, and it also survives the X server going down.
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Le 23.10.2014 20:40, lee a écrit :
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org writes:
The only problem is bash, here: it is unable to handle
multi-instances, so the histories are lost more or less randomly
when
I close/spawn terminals and sessions.
# append history rather than overwriting it
shopt -s
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org writes:
> The only problem is bash, here: it is unable to handle
> multi-instances, so the histories are lost more or less randomly when
> I close/spawn terminals and sessions.
# append history rather than overwriting it
shopt -s histappend
Do you use tmux?
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Le 20.10.2014 17:29, Steve Litt a écrit :
On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 03:37:56 +0200
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
And, finally, I consider myself as a DE user. My DE is built by
myself around a terminal-emulator, a tiling window manager,
Which one?
i3
I use Openbox, which of course is
Le 21.10.2014 23:37, Steve Litt a écrit :
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 00:58:27 +0200
lee wrote:
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org writes:
> But my opinion is that, it's the accumulation of tools using
> different slow languages, which will kill the computer's resources
> (shell, python2, python3, php,
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 00:58:27 +0200
lee wrote:
> berenger.mo...@neutralite.org writes:
>
> > But my opinion is that, it's the accumulation of tools using
> > different slow languages, which will kill the computer's resources
> > (shell, python2, python3, php, perl, basic, whatever).
>
> Perl isn
Steve Litt writes:
> On Sun, 19 Oct 2014 14:20:25 +0200
> lee wrote:
>
>
>> Since you're re-inventing the wheel:
>>
>> // sxnotify.c
> [...]
>>
>> # aptitude install libsx-dev
>
> Very, very nice!
I'm glad you like it :) There's also 'xmessage', and it requires you to
click on a button, whi
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org writes:
> But my opinion is that, it's the accumulation of tools using different
> slow languages, which will kill the computer's resources (shell,
> python2, python3, php, perl, basic, whatever).
Perl isn't exactly slow, considering what it does.
In any case, pick
On 21/10/14 05:42, Don Armstrong wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Oct 2014, Scott Ferguson wrote:
>> The . Don't you think?
>
> This is off topic for -user. Please take it to private e-mail if you
> must continue.
>
Agreed, and I regret it.
My sincerest apologies to the list.
Kind regards
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On Lu, 20 oct 14, 11:29:09, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> An afficienado would argue with you that it's a DE only if the apps can
> all interact.
That's your definition, Wikipedia seems to disagree.
> Me, I'd prefer all my apps mind their own business, but
> hey, that's just me.
How does that work with
On Lu, 20 oct 14, 18:46:11, Peter Nieman wrote:
> On 20/10/14 13:53, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >On Du, 19 oct 14, 15:35:47, Peter Nieman wrote:
> >>Anyway, evince *recommends* dbus-X11, but after removing dbus it no
> >>longer worked.
> >
> >Could you please elaborate on "it no longer worked"? Do you
On 20/10/14 13:53, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Du, 19 oct 14, 15:35:47, Peter Nieman wrote:
Anyway, evince *recommends* dbus-X11, but after removing dbus it no
longer worked.
Could you please elaborate on "it no longer worked"? Do you get any
errors if you start it from a terminal?
Yes, I got a
On 20/10/14 04:48, Peter Nieman wrote:
> On 19/10/14 15:04, Scott Ferguson wrote:
>> You hijacked the thread - and this is why that's considered bad form -
>> it muddies the discussion.
-8<--->8--
>
> Yes, Dad.
>
>
The consequences of your d
On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 03:37:56 +0200
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
> And, finally, I consider myself as a DE user. My DE is built by
> myself around a terminal-emulator, a tiling window manager,
Which one?
I use Openbox, which of course isn't tiling.
> and
> several applications,
Such
On Du, 19 oct 14, 15:35:47, Peter Nieman wrote:
> Anyway, evince *recommends* dbus-X11, but after removing dbus it no
> longer worked.
Could you please elaborate on "it no longer worked"? Do you get any
errors if you start it from a terminal?
Kind regards,
Andrei
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Le 19.10.2014 16:15, Steve Litt a écrit :
On Sun, 19 Oct 2014 12:47:03 +0200
Peter Nieman wrote:
By the way, I am a desktop user, using fvwm. But I don't want all my
applications to "look and feel" the same, I don't want everything to
interact with everything, and I want to control my comput
Le 19.10.2014 17:03, Steve Litt a écrit :
Rapid Application Development, Army Surplus
style, which of course makes me a pariah in the eyes of "real"
programmers. Life's tough.
Real programmers don't need RAD, they only use butterflies (1).
About RAD and interpreted languages, I do not really
Le 18.10.2014 22:44, John Hasler a écrit :
Steve Litt writes:
The process, the questions it asked, and the automatic collection of
my computer's configuration made submitting the bug trivial. *Every*
project should have one of these.
Unfortunately as soon as you mention email their ears clos
On 19/10/14 15:04, Scott Ferguson wrote:
You hijacked the thread - and this is why that's considered bad form -
it muddies the discussion. Tangents deserve their own, appriately chosen
Subject line, threads - then they get the attention they deserve instead
of being passed over by reader on the b
On Sun, 19 Oct 2014 14:20:25 +0200
lee wrote:
> Since you're re-inventing the wheel:
>
> // sxnotify.c
> //
> // This program is free software: you can redistribute it and/or
> // modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as
> // published by the Free Software Foundation, eith
On Sun, 19 Oct 2014 12:47:03 +0200
Peter Nieman wrote:
> By the way, I am a desktop user, using fvwm. But I don't want all my
> applications to "look and feel" the same, I don't want everything to
> interact with everything, and I want to control my computer instead
> of being controlled by my
On 20/10/14 00:35, Peter Nieman wrote:
> On 19/10/14 13:48, Brian wrote:
>> On Sat 18 Oct 2014 at 17:29:58 +0200, Peter Nieman wrote:
>>
>>> On 18/10/14 13:49, Scott Ferguson wrote:
Do you have an answer to your question?
Wild guess - notifications?
>>>
>>> I don't know claws, but I
On 19/10/14 13:48, Brian wrote:
On Sat 18 Oct 2014 at 17:29:58 +0200, Peter Nieman wrote:
On 18/10/14 13:49, Scott Ferguson wrote:
Do you have an answer to your question?
Wild guess - notifications?
I don't know claws, but I know from Wheezy that many packages depend
on dbus although dbus i
Steve Litt writes:
> Those visual and audio hints are one of the few things that most
> programs might need to write to. They need a predefined standard to
> write to, and I guess dbus is the standard being used. If I were in
> charge of standards, I might have used something simpler (like a fifo
Mark Carroll writes:
> Peter Nieman writes:
>
>> As mentioned already in another posting, I think the best, if not the
>> only solution for Debian would be to split the whole thing in two, one
>> for desktop environment users and one for users who do not want a
>> desktop environment. Package
Peter Nieman writes:
> As mentioned already in another posting, I think the best, if not the
> only solution for Debian would be to split the whole thing in two, one
> for desktop environment users and one for users who do not want a
> desktop environment. Packages that only work in a desktop
On Sat 18 Oct 2014 at 17:29:58 +0200, Peter Nieman wrote:
> On 18/10/14 13:49, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> >Do you have an answer to your question?
> >
> >Wild guess - notifications?
>
> I don't know claws, but I know from Wheezy that many packages depend
> on dbus although dbus isn't necessary for d
On 18/10/14 19:36, Marko Ranđelović wrote:
Great, but that's Gentoo way, we should have made a Gentuish Debian, i.e. port
certain portage features into APT, such as easily control build flgas. But
then it's needed to keep record of not which packages a package depends on,
but which parts of which
On 19/10/14 02:29, Peter Nieman wrote:
> On 18/10/14 13:49, Scott Ferguson wrote:
>> On 18/10/14 23:28, Peter Nieman wrote:
>>> On 17/10/14 20:25, Brian wrote:
Why it needs to be compiled without dbus is also unknown.
>>>
>>> You're asking the wrong question. The question you should ask
>>>
Steve Litt writes:
> The process, the questions it asked, and the automatic collection of
> my computer's configuration made submitting the bug trivial. *Every*
> project should have one of these.
Unfortunately as soon as you mention email their ears close up.
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On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 17:30:27 +0100
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
>
>
> Le 18.10.2014 16:14, Brian a écrit :
> > Which once again raises the main question; what does systemd have
> > to do
> > with this? The original post gives an unexplained solution to a
> > non-existent problem.
>
> Db
On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 19:19:26 +0200
Sven Hartge wrote:
> berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
>
> > I guess that claws uses (lib)dbus to notify dbus-compliant
> > softwares that there is a new mail.
>
> Also claws might get a signal from (for example) network-manager if
> there is a connection
On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 17:16:04 +0100
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
> Le 18.10.2014 16:29, Peter Nieman a écrit :
> > As far as I am concerned, I don't have the time right now to learn
> > the officially accepted procedures of filing bug reports in Debian
>
> Just run bugreport (or is it repo
On Saturday, October 18, 2014 10:10:02 PM UTC+5:30, berenge...@neutralite.org
wrote:
> Le 18.10.2014 16:14, Brian a écrit :
> > Which once again raises the main question; what does systemd have to
> > do
> > with this? The original post gives an unexplained solution to a
> > non-existent problem.
Great, but that's Gentoo way, we should have made a Gentuish Debian, i.e. port
certain portage features into APT, such as easily control build flgas. But
then it's needed to keep record of not which packages a package depends on,
but which parts of which packages a package depends on, though I'm no
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
> I guess that claws uses (lib)dbus to notify dbus-compliant softwares
> that there is a new mail.
Also claws might get a signal from (for example) network-manager if
there is a connection available to toggle its offline/online mode to
avoid unnecessary trie
Le 18.10.2014 16:14, Brian a écrit :
Which once again raises the main question; what does systemd have to
do
with this? The original post gives an unexplained solution to a
non-existent problem.
Dbus is (a crap, but not only) a tool to allow applications to share
informations with other app
On 18/10/14 16:29, Peter Nieman wrote:
And I don't understand "TIA", unless it's Spanish.
"Thanks In Advance"
Well, I thought there was a strong relationship between systemd and
dbus.
Various parts of the systemd suite, including the systemd init daemon,
use dbus to present its control int
Le 18.10.2014 16:29, Peter Nieman a écrit :
As far as I am concerned, I don't have the time right now to learn
the officially accepted procedures of filing bug reports in Debian
Just run bugreport (or is it reportbug? I don't have a Debian
currently, but I'm trying to fix that :p) . It'll ask
On 18/10/14 13:49, Scott Ferguson wrote:
On 18/10/14 23:28, Peter Nieman wrote:
On 17/10/14 20:25, Brian wrote:
Why
it needs to be compiled without dbus is also unknown.
You're asking the wrong question. The question you should ask yourself
is: if claws-mail works perfectly well without dbus,
On Sun 19 Oct 2014 at 00:05:08 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> On 19/10/14 00:29, Reco wrote:
> > Hi.
> >
> > On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 14:24:16 +0100
> > Brian wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat 18 Oct 2014 at 14:28:26 +0200, Peter Nieman wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 17/10/14 20:25, Brian wrote:
> Why
> it ne
Reco writes:
> This page tells otherwise:
> https://packages.debian.org/jessie/claws-mail
> OK, it's 'libdbus-1-3', not 'dbus' dependency, but libdbus-1-3
> recommends dbus.
Then it isn't a dependency.
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On 19/10/14 00:29, Reco wrote:
> Hi.
>
> On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 14:24:16 +0100
> Brian wrote:
>
>> On Sat 18 Oct 2014 at 14:28:26 +0200, Peter Nieman wrote:
>>
>>> On 17/10/14 20:25, Brian wrote:
Why
it needs to be compiled without dbus is also unknown.
>>>
>>> You're asking the wrong qu
Hi.
On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 14:24:16 +0100
Brian wrote:
> On Sat 18 Oct 2014 at 14:28:26 +0200, Peter Nieman wrote:
>
> > On 17/10/14 20:25, Brian wrote:
> > >Why
> > >it needs to be compiled without dbus is also unknown.
> >
> > You're asking the wrong question. The question you should ask
> > y
On Sat 18 Oct 2014 at 14:28:26 +0200, Peter Nieman wrote:
> On 17/10/14 20:25, Brian wrote:
> >Why
> >it needs to be compiled without dbus is also unknown.
>
> You're asking the wrong question. The question you should ask
> yourself is: if claws-mail works perfectly well without dbus, then
> why
On 18/10/14 23:28, Peter Nieman wrote:
> On 17/10/14 20:25, Brian wrote:
>> Why
>> it needs to be compiled without dbus is also unknown.
>
> You're asking the wrong question. The question you should ask yourself
> is: if claws-mail works perfectly well without dbus, then why does
> Debian ship a v
On 17/10/14 20:25, Brian wrote:
Why
it needs to be compiled without dbus is also unknown.
You're asking the wrong question. The question you should ask yourself
is: if claws-mail works perfectly well without dbus, then why does
Debian ship a version that depends on it?
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On Fri 17 Oct 2014 at 13:11:23 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> For those of you using Claws-Mail, you can keep it systemd-free into
> the foreseeable future by disabling dbus, like this:
>
> ./configure --disable-dbus
>
> I've compiled Claws_Mail from source on Debian. It's fairly easy to do,
> it ca
Hi all,
For those of you using Claws-Mail, you can keep it systemd-free into
the foreseeable future by disabling dbus, like this:
./configure --disable-dbus
I've compiled Claws_Mail from source on Debian. It's fairly easy to do,
it can exist in tandem with the existing Claws-Mail (obviously rena
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