Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-11-18 Thread Klistvud
Dne, 18. 10. 2014 03:20:25 je Joel Rees napisal(a): When I look at systemd, the fundamental design and structure fly in the face of reason. I'm not trying to be insulting when I say that. For some of us it really does fly in the face of reason. I second that. Some terms that have been used t

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-23 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 09:32:31AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Jonathan Dowland wrote: > >On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 08:25:31AM +0200, Ludovic Meyer wrote: > >>Even with the addition 10 to 20 people posting on systemd, > >>it shouldn't be a issue. > >Andrei's point was not that the list /infrastruc

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-23 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 03:16:59PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > >- the LSB is a joint project of several Linux distributions. Ironically: > > > > "The LSB has been criticized for not taking input from projects, most > > notably the Debian project, outside the spher

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-21 Thread Miles Fidelman
Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 08:25:31AM +0200, Ludovic Meyer wrote: Even with the addition 10 to 20 people posting on systemd, it shouldn't be a issue. Andrei's point was not that the list /infrastructure/ was at risk, but that debian-user - this list - was essentially subjec

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 08:25:31 +0200 Ludovic Meyer wrote: > On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 04:49:48PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote: > > On 10/20/2014 02:35 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > >If you mean you are actually DOSing Debian's support channels just > > >to make you're point that's likely to get you ba

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 08:25:31AM +0200, Ludovic Meyer wrote: > Even with the addition 10 to 20 people posting on systemd, > it shouldn't be a issue. Andrei's point was not that the list /infrastructure/ was at risk, but that debian-user - this list - was essentially subject to a denial of servic

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Ludovic Meyer
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 04:49:48PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote: > On 10/20/2014 02:35 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > >If you mean you are actually DOSing Debian's support channels just to > >make you're point that's likely to get you banned instead, besides not > >achieving anything. > > ~OR!~ > > "Li

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 21/10/14 05:24, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote: > Sorry about the newbie question but, can I vote somewhere to "preserve > the choice of init systems" ? > http://boycottsystemd.org/lennart1.png ? ---8<--->8 Please don't top post. Kind regards -

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 21/10/14 00:49, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Scott Ferguson wrote: >> On 20/10/14 04:03, Martin Read wrote: >>> On 19/10/14 17:45, Rusi Mody wrote: As for 'wounded ego': Do you have a wounded ego if a dead branch falls and smashes the windshield of your car? Or a Tsunami knocks off you

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Ric Moore
On 10/20/2014 04:54 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 20 oct 14, 16:49:48, Ric Moore wrote: On 10/20/2014 02:35 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: If you mean you are actually DOSing Debian's support channels just to make you're point that's likely to get you banned instead, besides not achieving anythi

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 20 oct 14, 16:49:48, Ric Moore wrote: > On 10/20/2014 02:35 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > >If you mean you are actually DOSing Debian's support channels just to > >make you're point that's likely to get you banned instead, besides not > >achieving anything. > > ~OR!~ > > "List archives ge

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Ric Moore
On 10/20/2014 02:35 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: If you mean you are actually DOSing Debian's support channels just to make you're point that's likely to get you banned instead, besides not achieving anything. ~OR!~ "List archives get refreshed every 20 minutes." is a more likely reason for the

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Ric Moore
On 10/20/2014 10:15 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Sb, 18 oct 14, 10:20:25, Joel Rees wrote: On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 6:14 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: We were objecting to the ad hominem unpleasantness and destruction of the list. Let me try to explain (yet again, sorry, but re-wording things some

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Ric Moore
On 10/20/2014 01:27 AM, Rusi Mody wrote: On Sunday, October 19, 2014 11:50:02 PM UTC+5:30, Jimmy Johnson wrote: Slavko wrote: Ahoj, napísal: On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 07:02:12PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Friday 17 October 2014 18:30:31 Andre N Batista wrote: I cannot believe some people stil

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Ric Moore
On 10/19/2014 04:32 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 20/10/14 04:03, Martin Read wrote: On 19/10/14 17:45, Rusi Mody wrote: As for 'wounded ego': Do you have a wounded ego if a dead branch falls and smashes the windshield of your car? Or a Tsunami knocks off your seafront house? If you are taking

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Miles Fidelman
Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 20 oct 14, 14:27:59, Miles Fidelman wrote: Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 20 oct 14, 09:49:24, Miles Fidelman wrote: Well, it's worth noting that in many areas of endeavor, users, or user communities, write specifications/standards that all players have to meet. So,

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 20 oct 14, 14:27:59, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > >On Lu, 20 oct 14, 09:49:24, Miles Fidelman wrote: > >>Well, it's worth noting that in many areas of endeavor, users, or user > >>communities, write specifications/standards that all players have to meet. > >>So, for exampl

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Martinx - ジェームズ
Okay, no problem... Tks for your reply!:-) On 20 October 2014 16:31, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Unfortunately, unless you're a Debian Developer, the answer is no - other > than with your feet - to one of the dwindling number of distros that make > it policy to stay away from systemd. > > Sigh..

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 20 oct 14, 13:52:37, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > Not to me. All these discussions could very well happen on the > > -offtopic list. > > Sure it can. Every single status-quo supporter in history has told > protestors the same thing: If you want to ride on the front of the bus, > petition the

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Miles Fidelman
Unfortunately, unless you're a Debian Developer, the answer is no - other than with your feet - to one of the dwindling number of distros that make it policy to stay away from systemd. Sigh Miles Fidelman Martinx - ジェームズ wrote: Sorry about the newbie question but, can I vote somewhere to

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Miles Fidelman
Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 20 oct 14, 09:49:24, Miles Fidelman wrote: Well, it's worth noting that in many areas of endeavor, users, or user communities, write specifications/standards that all players have to meet. So, for example, when one buys an ethernet card - vendors really do not really

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Martinx - ジェームズ
Sorry about the newbie question but, can I vote somewhere to "preserve the choice of init systems" ? I would like to firm my position, not against systemd but, instead, in favor of the preservation of Debian's stability and future, by being able to choose a init system during the installation (d-i

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:15:47 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Sb, 18 oct 14, 10:20:25, Joel Rees wrote: > > > Does this help explain why what appears to some as mere turf battles > > and childish name-calling, etc., is a bit more than playground > > antics? > > Not to me. All these discussions

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 20 oct 14, 09:49:24, Miles Fidelman wrote: > > Well, it's worth noting that in many areas of endeavor, users, or user > communities, write specifications/standards that all players have to meet. > So, for example, when one buys an ethernet card - vendors really do not > really have a choice

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 18 oct 14, 10:20:25, Joel Rees wrote: > On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 6:14 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > We were objecting to > > the ad hominem unpleasantness and destruction of the list. > > Let me try to explain (yet again, sorry, but re-wording things > sometimes does help) my point of view

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Martin Read
On 20/10/14 01:28, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Did they successed with wayland? I just took a look at weston and it seems to be linked to stuffD... and with Dbus, when I thought I had read time ago things about them using a home-made bus, because they thought dbus was too heavy... I hope

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Miles Fidelman
Scott Ferguson wrote: On 20/10/14 04:03, Martin Read wrote: On 19/10/14 17:45, Rusi Mody wrote: As for 'wounded ego': Do you have a wounded ego if a dead branch falls and smashes the windshield of your car? Or a Tsunami knocks off your seafront house? If you are taking offense, who are you off

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 20/10/14 04:03, Martin Read wrote: > On 19/10/14 17:45, Rusi Mody wrote: >> As for 'wounded ego': Do you have a wounded ego if a dead branch >> falls and smashes the windshield of your car? Or a Tsunami knocks >> off your seafront house? >> >> If you are taking offense, who are you offended by?

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread berenger . morel
Le 18.10.2014 07:06, Steve Litt a écrit : If they vote "no" on the GR, then I think that unless Red Hat succeeds in systemdizing X itself, we'll (meaning those of us who care) will replace systemd-contaminated software with init-agnostic software. And for sure, boycott all systemd-dependent sof

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Rusi Mody
On Sunday, October 19, 2014 11:50:02 PM UTC+5:30, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > Slavko wrote: > > Ahoj, > > napísal: > >> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 07:02:12PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > >>> On Friday 17 October 2014 18:30:31 Andre N Batista wrote: > I cannot believe some people still > thinks [sni

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-19 Thread Marty
On 10/19/2014 01:25 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: On 10/17/2014 3:42 PM, Ric Moore wrote: The fun part will be to see who actually steps up to the plate to do all of the extra work. Especially amongst all of those pledged seconds. I hope someone is keeping a list. :) Ric From what I read, it will be

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-19 Thread Jimmy Johnson
Slavko wrote: Ahoj, Dňa Fri, 17 Oct 2014 16:09:59 -0400 Dan Ritter napísal: On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 07:02:12PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Friday 17 October 2014 18:30:31 Andre N Batista wrote: I cannot believe some people still thinks [snip] that we should simply stick with the TC's author

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-19 Thread Tanstaafl
On 10/17/2014 3:42 PM, Ric Moore wrote: > The fun part will be to see who actually steps up to the plate to do all > of the extra work. Especially amongst all of those pledged seconds. I > hope someone is keeping a list. :) Ric >From what I read, it will be one all debian devs (package maintain

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-19 Thread Martin Read
On 19/10/14 17:45, Rusi Mody wrote: As for 'wounded ego': Do you have a wounded ego if a dead branch falls and smashes the windshield of your car? Or a Tsunami knocks off your seafront house? If you are taking offense, who are you offended by? Debian is not a person (as far as I know!) Debian

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-19 Thread Rusi Mody
On Sunday, October 19, 2014 10:00:02 PM UTC+5:30, Slavko wrote: > Ahoj, > napísal: > > On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 07:02:12PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > On Friday 17 October 2014 18:30:31 Andre N Batista wrote: > > > > I cannot believe some people still > > > > thinks [snip] that we should simply

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-19 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Fri, 17 Oct 2014 16:09:59 -0400 Dan Ritter napísal: > On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 07:02:12PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Friday 17 October 2014 18:30:31 Andre N Batista wrote: > > > I cannot believe some people still > > > thinks [snip] that we should simply stick with > > > the TC's a

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-18 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 02:50:12PM -0300, Andre N Batista wrote: > > But if what you need is authority arguing for authority, instead of > useless user words, well that's what's happening here: > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/10/msg00061.html > > If you were able to read beyond the

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-18 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 18 October 2014 18:50:12 Andre N Batista wrote: > Beside the quotes on top, I've seen you say this same mantra over and > over the past months on your battle to shut down any complaining related > to the rabbit. Your main line has been from the start: devs are so cute, No, devs do the

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-18 Thread Andre N Batista
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 10:20:25AM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: > On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 6:14 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Friday 17 October 2014 21:09:59 Dan Ritter wrote: > >> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 07:02:12PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > >> > On Friday 17 October 2014 18:30:31 Andre N Batista wrote:

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-18 Thread Martin Read
On 18/10/14 02:38, Steve Litt wrote: I would add that it should be delegated to an interchangeable part through a well-specified thin interface, without global variables like dbus. Or, if there *must* be a global variable, at least make it purposed only for interaction between init and program, a

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-18 Thread Tixy
On Sat, 2014-10-18 at 21:13 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 10:20:20PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: [...] > > The list will likely be empty, I'm afraid. The whole point of the GR is > > that its proponents can make any required work SEP if it succeeds. > > SEP? Google is no

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-18 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-10-18 10:13 +0200, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 10:20:20PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: >> >> The list will likely be empty, I'm afraid. The whole point of the GR is >> that its proponents can make any required work SEP if it succeeds. > > SEP? Google is no help. I mea

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-18 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 10:20:20PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2014-10-17 21:42 +0200, Ric Moore wrote: > > > On 10/17/2014 01:32 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: > >> On 10/17/2014 1:29 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: > >>> I finished the thread right before I posted, and there were only 4 > >>> seconds. > >> > >

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-18 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 10:20:16AM -0700, Rusi Mody wrote: > > > Here are the first few seconds: Isn't this information available on the debian-vote list? Seems redundant to repost it here. -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and l

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-18 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 10/17/2014 10:26 PM, Doug wrote: On 10/18/2014 12:59 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: /snip/ I think that depends on what solution you propose, smart people listen. AMEN! I can say that I long ago upgraded to Jessie/systemd so that I could be the first to yell about it. I'm still looking at

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 10/17/2014 10:06 PM, Steve Litt wrote: On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 18:52:32 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 10/17/2014 07:54 AM, Rusi Mody wrote: On Friday, October 17, 2014 8:00:02 PM UTC+5:30, Rob Owens wrote: - Original Message - Now let's see what happens with this! https://lists.deb

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 23:06:53 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: > On 10/17/2014 10:12 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 21:59:44 -0700 > > Jimmy Johnson wrote: > > > >> On 10/17/2014 08:44 PM, Ric Moore wrote: > >>> On 10/17/2014 10:22 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > >>> > > What's the

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 10/17/2014 10:12 PM, Steve Litt wrote: On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 21:59:44 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 10/17/2014 08:44 PM, Ric Moore wrote: On 10/17/2014 10:22 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: What's the hurry, Squeeze is good until 2016, we have plenty of time to test other init-systems. You use

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 01:26:11 -0400 Doug wrote: > /Snip/ > > That's not the problem. A few people have recognized the problem(s). > 1--Putting all your eggs (programs) in one basket. Making almost > everything have a dependency on systemd. Registry, anyone? > 2--Forcing the entire Linux communit

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Doug
On 10/18/2014 12:59 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > /snip/ > > I think that depends on what solution you propose, smart people listen. AMEN! > > >> I can say that I long ago upgraded to Jessie/systemd so that I could be >> the first to yell about it. I'm still looking at a 4 monitor/ 2 video >> car

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 21:59:44 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: > On 10/17/2014 08:44 PM, Ric Moore wrote: > > On 10/17/2014 10:22 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > > > >> > >> What's the hurry, Squeeze is good until 2016, we have plenty of > >> time to test other init-systems. > > > > You use KDE. Where you th

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 18:52:32 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: > On 10/17/2014 07:54 AM, Rusi Mody wrote: > > On Friday, October 17, 2014 8:00:02 PM UTC+5:30, Rob Owens wrote: > >> - Original Message - > > > >>> Now let's see what happens with this! > >>> https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/201

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 10/17/2014 08:44 PM, Ric Moore wrote: On 10/17/2014 10:22 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: What's the hurry, Squeeze is good until 2016, we have plenty of time to test other init-systems. You use KDE. Where you there when KDE3 became KDE4 and broke our hearts? What a flame fest that was. Yet, you

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Jimmy Johnson
Ric Moore wrote: On 10/17/2014 01:32 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: On 10/17/2014 1:29 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: I finished the thread right before I posted, and there were only 4 seconds. Guess I missed some sub threads or something... Oh well, glad to see it will get a vote... The fun part will be to

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 10/17/2014 07:54 AM, Rusi Mody wrote: On Friday, October 17, 2014 8:00:02 PM UTC+5:30, Rob Owens wrote: - Original Message - Now let's see what happens with this! https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/10/msg1.html Very interesting discussion there. Thanks for posting.

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 10:20:25 +0900 Joel Rees wrote: > According to what I understand as an engineer, everything that systemd > does beyond the minimum (in other words, beyond being the ultimate > backstop for signals and dying orphaned processes) should be > delegated. I would add that it should

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Joel Rees
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 6:14 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Friday 17 October 2014 21:09:59 Dan Ritter wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 07:02:12PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: >> > On Friday 17 October 2014 18:30:31 Andre N Batista wrote: >> > > I cannot believe some people still >> > > thinks [snip] tha

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Buntunub
mean more work, but this is an ideal I believe a lot of contributors will be happy to help with. -- View this message in context: http://debian.2.n7.nabble.com/GR-proposed-re-choice-of-init-systems-tp3393493p3394715.html Sent from the Debian User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 17 October 2014 21:09:59 Dan Ritter wrote: > On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 07:02:12PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Friday 17 October 2014 18:30:31 Andre N Batista wrote: > > > I cannot believe some people still > > > thinks [snip] that we should simply stick with > > > the TC's authority reg

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Miles Fidelman
Dan Ritter wrote: On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 07:02:12PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Friday 17 October 2014 18:30:31 Andre N Batista wrote: I cannot believe some people still thinks [snip] that we should simply stick with the TC's authority regardless what. Surely no-one has ever said that?? Refe

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Dan Ritter
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 07:02:12PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Friday 17 October 2014 18:30:31 Andre N Batista wrote: > > I cannot believe some people still > > thinks [snip] that we should simply stick with > > the TC's authority regardless what. > > Surely no-one has ever said that?? Referenc

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-10-17 21:42 +0200, Ric Moore wrote: > On 10/17/2014 01:32 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: >> On 10/17/2014 1:29 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: >>> I finished the thread right before I posted, and there were only 4 seconds. >> >> Guess I missed some sub threads or something... >> >> Oh well, glad to see it wil

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Ric Moore
On 10/17/2014 01:32 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: On 10/17/2014 1:29 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: I finished the thread right before I posted, and there were only 4 seconds. Guess I missed some sub threads or something... Oh well, glad to see it will get a vote... The fun part will be to see who actually s

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 10:20:16 -0700 (PDT) Rusi Mody wrote: > Seconds continue > > Bernhard R. Link > Dimitri John Ledkov > Arnaud Fontaine > Thorsten Glaser > > And once again loud cheers for Ian Jackson and the seconds Abso-Lutely! [snip] > However the contentiousness of this case clearly

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 17 October 2014 18:30:31 Andre N Batista wrote: > I cannot believe some people still > thinks [snip] that we should simply stick with > the TC's authority regardless what. Surely no-one has ever said that?? References if someone has? Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 10:20:16 -0700 (PDT) Rusi Mody wrote: > Seconds continue > > Bernhard R. Link > Dimitri John Ledkov > Arnaud Fontaine > Thorsten Glaser > > And once again loud cheers for Ian Jackson and the seconds > > Some like Charles Plessy are distressed that this may be > de-motivatin

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Tanstaafl
On 10/17/2014 1:29 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: > I finished the thread right before I posted, and there were only 4 seconds. Guess I missed some sub threads or something... Oh well, glad to see it will get a vote... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Tanstaafl
On 10/17/2014 1:01 PM, The Wanderer wrote: > On 10/17/2014 at 12:38 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: > >> On 10/17/2014 12:21 PM, Steve Litt >> wrote: > >>> Thank you Ian, and the seconders, and everyone who is speaking up >>> for (what I call) sanity. >> >> Still only 4 seconds though... > > Eh? > > I s

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Andre N Batista
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 01:01:44PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > On 10/17/2014 at 12:38 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: > > > On 10/17/2014 12:21 PM, Steve Litt > > wrote: > > >> Thank you Ian, and the seconders, and everyone who is speaking up > >> for (what I call) sanity. > > > > Still only 4 seconds th

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Rusi Mody
On Friday, October 17, 2014 10:10:02 PM UTC+5:30, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 10/17/2014 12:21 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 07:54:06 -0700 (PDT) > > Rusi Mody wrote: > >> On Friday, October 17, 2014 8:00:02 PM UTC+5:30, Rob Owens wrote: > >>> - Original Message - > Now let

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Rob Owens
- Original Message - > From: "Tanstaafl" > > Still only 4 seconds though... Not true: https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/10/msg00012.htm There was an alternate proposal made by the Debian Leader. That may have only gotten 4 seconds (I didn't count), but apparently it does not

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread The Wanderer
On 10/17/2014 at 12:38 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 10/17/2014 12:21 PM, Steve Litt > wrote: >> Thank you Ian, and the seconders, and everyone who is speaking up >> for (what I call) sanity. > > Still only 4 seconds though... Eh? I see at least 8 seconds so far, even if we ignore one which may n

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 12:38:12 -0400 Tanstaafl wrote: > On 10/17/2014 12:21 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 07:54:06 -0700 (PDT) > > Rusi Mody wrote: > > > >> On Friday, October 17, 2014 8:00:02 PM UTC+5:30, Rob Owens wrote: > >>> - Original Message - > >> > Now let's

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Tanstaafl
On 10/17/2014 12:21 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 07:54:06 -0700 (PDT) > Rusi Mody wrote: > >> On Friday, October 17, 2014 8:00:02 PM UTC+5:30, Rob Owens wrote: >>> - Original Message - >> Now let's see what happens with this! https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 07:54:06 -0700 (PDT) Rusi Mody wrote: > On Friday, October 17, 2014 8:00:02 PM UTC+5:30, Rob Owens wrote: > > - Original Message - > > > > Now let's see what happens with this! > > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/10/msg1.html > > > Very interesting di

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Miles Fidelman
Rusi Mody wrote: On Friday, October 17, 2014 8:00:02 PM UTC+5:30, Rob Owens wrote: - Original Message - Now let's see what happens with this! https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/10/msg1.html Very interesting discussion there. Thanks for posting. -Rob Thank you Ian Jackson a

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Rusi Mody
On Friday, October 17, 2014 8:00:02 PM UTC+5:30, Rob Owens wrote: > - Original Message - > > Now let's see what happens with this! > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/10/msg1.html > Very interesting discussion there. Thanks for posting. > -Rob Thank you Ian Jackson and al

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Rob Owens
- Original Message - > From: goli...@riseup.net > > Now let's see what happens with this! > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/10/msg1.html Very interesting discussion there. Thanks for posting. -Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with

GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-16 Thread golinux
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