RE: Dual Lilo boot with Debian and RedHat

2003-02-01 Thread Colin Ellis
Dual Lilo boot with Debian and RedHat Dear Debianists! I have a problem and I hope you can help me out! Yesterday I installed Debian Woody 3.0r1 on my laptop. I have been using RedHat 7.3 and I grew tired of things not working the way they should, so I decided to try Debian out. I have a

Re: Dual Lilo boot with Debian and RedHat

2003-01-31 Thread Vikki Roemer
On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 01:55:37PM -0100, Andrej Prsa wrote: > > Yesterday I installed Debian Woody 3.0r1 on my laptop. I have been using > RedHat 7.3 and I grew tired of things not working the way they should, > so I decided to try Debian out. I have a 40Gb disk, which was completely > under RedH

Re: Dual Lilo boot with Debian and RedHat

2003-01-31 Thread nate
Andrej Prsa said: > I would be happy to attach RedHat's grub.conf if it'd help! mount the redhat / (or /boot if its a seperate partition) on debian, copy the kernel to debian's /boot directory edit /etc/lilo.conf and add an entry such as image=/boot/vmlinuz-suse label=suse root

Re: Dual Lilo boot with Debian and RedHat

2003-01-31 Thread Kent West
Andrej Prsa wrote: /dev/hda1 is RedHat's /boot /dev/hda2 is RedHat's / /dev/hda3 is Linux Swap /dev/hda5 is Debian's / I used to have Grub to load RedHat, which has now been replaced with Lilo in MBR. It boots Debian without any problems and now I don't know how to boot back into RedHat. Mountin

Re: Dual Lilo boot with Debian and RedHat

2003-01-31 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include * Andrej Prsa [Fri, Jan 31 2003, 01:12:17PM]: > /dev/hda1 is RedHat's /boot > /dev/hda2 is RedHat's / > /dev/hda3 is Linux Swap > /dev/hda5 is Debian's / > > I used to have Grub to load RedHat, which has now been replaced with > Lilo in MBR. It boots Debian without any problems and now

Dual Lilo boot with Debian and RedHat

2003-01-31 Thread Andrej Prsa
Dear Debianists! I have a problem and I hope you can help me out! Yesterday I installed Debian Woody 3.0r1 on my laptop. I have been using RedHat 7.3 and I grew tired of things not working the way they should, so I decided to try Debian out. I have a 40Gb disk, which was completely under RedHat.

Dual Lilo boot with Debian and RedHat

2003-01-31 Thread Andrej Prsa
Dear Debianists! I have a problem and I hope you can help me out! Yesterday I installed Debian Woody 3.0r1 on my laptop. I have been using RedHat 7.3 and I grew tired of things not working the way they should, so I decided to try Debian out. I have a 40Gb disk, which was completely under RedHat.

Re: rsync between debian and redhat

2002-01-19 Thread nate
> And an rsync from debian to redhat results in: > Failed to exec rsh : No such file or directory > unexpected EOF in read_timeout rsync is trying to execute rsh on the redhat machine(the server) but is unable to because rsh does not exist in the $PATH on the remote system. install rsh on it, o

rsync between debian and redhat

2002-01-18 Thread Matt Fair
Hello, I have a one of my computers localy with Redhat 7.2 installed on it, and my remote computer with debian installed on it. I am able to rsync between 2 debian computers no problem. I installed the same version (2.3.2 protocol version 21) on both machines, and still the same result. But an r

Re: Debian and Redhat on the same PC

2002-01-13 Thread dude
you can use grub doe debian also. You will need to use fstab to mount the proper partition On Sun, 6 Jan 2002, dx wrote: >Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 01:17:52 -0500 >From: dx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: debian-user@lists.debian.org >Subject: Debian and Redhat on the same PC >

Re: Debian and Redhat on the same PC

2002-01-06 Thread dman
On Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 01:17:52AM -0500, dx wrote: | I just like to know how can I install Debian and Redhat | on the same PC. With separate partitions for each OS. | I already installed Redhat using Grub, No problem (I like grub too, much easier to use than lilo, IMO) | but Debian is using

Re: Debian and Redhat on the same PC

2002-01-06 Thread Paolo Alexis Falcone
make them share the same swap partition. You can let the installer programs of either distros do this for you upon install, or invoke cfdisk or fdisk on either distro when you've installed either of them first. >I just like to know how can I install Debian and Redhat >on the same PC. I alr

Re: Debian and Redhat on the same PC

2002-01-06 Thread Davor Balder
On Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 01:17:52AM -0500, dx wrote: > Hi, > > I am newbie Linux user. > I just like to know how can I install Debian and Redhat > on the same PC. I already installed Redhat using Grub, > but Debian is using LILO. And how do you make/allocate partitions > for

Debian and Redhat on the same PC

2002-01-06 Thread dx
Hi, I am newbie Linux user. I just like to know how can I install Debian and Redhat on the same PC. I already installed Redhat using Grub, but Debian is using LILO. And how do you make/allocate partitions for both of them without stepping on each other? Thanks in advance, dexter

Re: executable compatible with Debian and Redhat?

2000-12-02 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 10:47:24 -0800, Jinsong Zhao wrote: > People would expect stability and high quality from commercial tools and > people pay for these features. It's hard to believe Redhat use the > unstable gcc 2.96 despite the very warning from the very producer. Actually, Red Hat release

Re: executable compatible with Debian and Redhat?

2000-12-01 Thread Jinsong Zhao
Thanks to D-Man. I'm enclosing what I got from the gcc.gnu.org website. Yes, RH7.0 is using 2.96 gcc compiler. Not only this may produce incompatible binary codes, it also has trouble working with gdb 5.0. Gdb cannot access locally declared variables in C++ code. I was really scratching my head whe

Re: executable compatible with Debian and Redhat?

2000-12-01 Thread Harry Henry Gebel
On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 07:56:46AM +, Colin Watson wrote: > Does anybody know if executables compiled on Debian unstable, which now > has glibc-2.2, will run on Red Hat 7.0 and its almost-2.2 glibc? Or vice > versa, with a compatible gcc? I'd hope so, but as far as I know none of > the Red Hat

Re: executable compatible with Debian and Redhat?

2000-12-01 Thread Colin Watson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >This is correct. I have a RH7.0 system: > >$ gcc --version >2.96 >$ rpm -q glib >glib-1.2.8-4 > >(I don't know if the glib is stable or not) You realize, don't you, that glib is not the same thing as glibc? glib is a library of some useful C routines that used to be part

Re: executable compatible with Debian and Redhat?

2000-11-30 Thread D-Man
n code) -D PS. When I get some free time I want to install Debian on my other disk and see how I like it. Anybody want to offer a comparison of Debian and RedHat with both pros and cons? (on a diff thread of course) On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:56:35 Jonathan D. Proulx wrote: | Hi, | | WARNING

Re: executable compatible with Debian and Redhat?

2000-11-30 Thread kmself
on Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 04:46:17PM -0800, Jinsong Zhao ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > This is the first horrible thing I can think of: code compiled on > Debian does not run on Redhat! Several programs I compiled on the > Debian run fine on Debian, but when I installed Redhat and tried to > run thos

Re: executable compatible with Debian and Redhat?

2000-11-30 Thread Harry Henry Gebel
> Hi, > > WARNING! > this is pure hearsay, which I have no documentation for > > I heard about this problem (from what I consider knowlegable people), > red hat seems to be using a development branch of either gcc or glibc > (I forget which, sorry), the result RedHat 7.0 is frequently if not

Re: executable compatible with Debian and Redhat?

2000-11-30 Thread David Z Maze
David Z Maze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: DZM> Jinsong Zhao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: JZ> I used this command: "sh pgp" and then the error message is: JZ> JZ> cannot execute binary file DZM> DZM> This generally means there's some sort of library problem. Now that I'm looking at this again, i

Re: executable compatible with Debian and Redhat?

2000-11-30 Thread Jonathan D. Proulx
Hi, WARNING! this is pure hearsay, which I have no documentation for I heard about this problem (from what I consider knowlegable people), red hat seems to be using a development branch of either gcc or glibc (I forget which, sorry), the result RedHat 7.0 is frequently if not always binary in

Re: executable compatible with Debian and Redhat?

2000-11-30 Thread David Z Maze
Jinsong Zhao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: JZ> This is the first horrible thing I can think of: code compiled on JZ> Debian does not run on Redhat! Several programs I compiled on the JZ> Debian run fine on Debian, but when I installed Redhat and tried to JZ> run those programs, say in bash you type "

RE: executable compatible with Debian and Redhat?

2000-11-30 Thread Kenrick, Chris
Title: RE: executable compatible with Debian and Redhat? >Several programs I compiled on the >Debian run fine on Debian, but when I installed Redhat and tried to >run those programs, say in bash you type "./pgp", then the error >message is: >bash: ./pgp: No such fi

executable compatible with Debian and Redhat?

2000-11-30 Thread Jinsong Zhao
This is the first horrible thing I can think of: code compiled on Debian does not run on Redhat! Several programs I compiled on the Debian run fine on Debian, but when I installed Redhat and tried to run those programs, say in bash you type "./pgp", then the error message is: bash: ./pgp: No such

Re: Difference between xterms in Debian and Redhat

2000-10-21 Thread Eric G . Miller
On Sat, Oct 21, 2000 at 12:46:26PM -0400, Scott V. McGuire wrote: > Ok, so I am following up my own message. > > I just noticed that if I run redhat, mount my debian partition, and > execute the xterm binary from debian, I get the redhat behavior. Why > is this? Are redhat and/or debian setting

Re: Difference between xterms in Debian and Redhat

2000-10-21 Thread Scott V. McGuire
Ok, so I am following up my own message. I just noticed that if I run redhat, mount my debian partition, and execute the xterm binary from debian, I get the redhat behavior. Why is this? Are redhat and/or debian setting some xresources differently somewhere? Thanks On Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 08:3

Difference between xterms in Debian and Redhat

2000-10-20 Thread Scott V. McGuire
Hi, I installed potato on a system on which I have been using redhat. I had spent a bit of time selecting color combinations that I liked for programs like mutt and slrn. Unfortunately, the colors are considerably different under Debian, making things hard to read. Does anyone know why the xter

Re: Debian and Redhat

1999-09-29 Thread rir
> > However, there are some software that these servers MUST have, right now > it's > Legato Networker and the UPS software (not sure which UPS system we will use > > If you are using APC UPS then you should check their website. I sent them If using Best, they gives you source code to compile

Re: Debian and Redhat

1999-09-28 Thread Peter S Galbraith
"Craig H. Block" wrote: > If you are using APC UPS then you should check their website. I sent them > an email a couple months ago about PowerChute for Linux and they said it > should be available this quarter. http://www.apc.com/products/management/pcp_linux.cfm http://www.apc.com/tools/downlo

Re: Debian and Redhat

1999-09-28 Thread Craig H. Block
However, there are some software that these servers MUST have, right now it's Legato Networker and the UPS software (not sure which UPS system we will use yet). Both have support for Linux, but only RedHat. I'v made debian packages of Networker from the RPM package, and they works fine. I'll try t

Debian and Redhat

1999-09-28 Thread Marcus Johansson
Hi! We use RedHat on all linux-based servers and clients here at my work, except for my machine which is running Debian 2.1, and I would like to have some hard facts about the differences. I'm responsible for the maintaince of these servers, and with Debian's apt-get it's just so easy to upgr

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-03-10 Thread Ed Cogburn
fockface dickmeat wrote: > > > Your thinking of the personal user, which isn't Linux's > >strongsuit right now. Corporate customers are looking at the > >Calderas and RedHatters of the Linux distributions. Without > >commercial support, they won't even bother to *look* at Debian. > >Withou

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-03-10 Thread fockface dickmeat
> Your thinking of the personal user, which isn't Linux's >strongsuit right now. Corporate customers are looking at the >Calderas and RedHatters of the Linux distributions. Without >commercial support, they won't even bother to *look* at Debian. >Without the attention of the corporate worl

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-03-06 Thread mike shupp
On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, Frankie wrote: > ) Obviously recommending debian to colleagues/associates/friends > ) sticking a debian logo on your website > ) pestering major sites to display a debian logo > ) Making sure that articles are written for stuff like > slashdot/32bitsonli

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-03-05 Thread Kenneth Scharf
>>> And some guy at MIT wrote a text editor in TECO... -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI - Opps, yeah that's right. The ORIGINAL Emacs was written in Teco. RMS must be more talented that I thought. Tec

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-03-05 Thread John Hasler
Kenneth Scharf writes: > I remember when working at DEC being told that teco was more than an > editor, it was a language. Infact someone had written a StarTrek game in > teco. And some guy at MIT wrote a text editor in TECO... -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill El

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-03-05 Thread Pann McCuaig
On Fri, Mar 05, 1999 at 05:13 (-0800), Kenneth Scharf wrote: > > But TECO was the greatest, most programmable, powerful editor ever. If > only > it had run on a *NIX OS :-( > > - > I remember when working at DEC being told that teco was mo

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-03-05 Thread Frankie
Ed Cogburn wrote: > > Frankie wrote: > > > > > > > You are perhaps referring the "Linux Standard Base" that RH and > > > Deb have, for the moment, agreed to? The problem is that the > > > greater RH's dominance becomes, the greater the chance that they > > > will no longer see this kind

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-03-05 Thread Kenneth Scharf
But TECO was the greatest, most programmable, powerful editor ever. If only it had run on a *NIX OS :-( - I remember when working at DEC being told that teco was more than an editor, it was a language. Infact someone had written a StarTre

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-03-04 Thread mike shupp
On Wed, 3 Mar 1999, Ed Cogburn wrote: > > I dunno. There's a lot of people who would like to find out about > > Linux, but aren't prepared to bet the whole farm on it sight unseen. > > Without advertising, how are we supposed to get to these > prospective customers before RH does? Advertis

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-03-04 Thread John Hasler
Ralph Winslow writes: > But TECO was the greatest, most programmable, powerful editor ever. If > only it had run on a *NIX OS :-( I believe I recall once reading of a Linux port (or clone) of TECO. Personally, I've done my best to suppress all my memories of it. -- John HaslerThi

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-03-04 Thread Ralph Winslow
Ed Cogburn wrote: > > Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > > > On Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 12:44:20PM +, Mark Brown wrote: > > > Try Emacs or XEmacs. Don't be mislead by the fact that they call Emacs > > > an editor - it's far, far more than a mere editor. It has support for > > ^

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-03-04 Thread Ed Cogburn
Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 12:44:20PM +, Mark Brown wrote: > > Try Emacs or XEmacs. Don't be mislead by the fact that they call Emacs > > an editor - it's far, far more than a mere editor. It has support for > ^ > > Th

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-03-04 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 12:44:20PM +, Mark Brown wrote: > Try Emacs or XEmacs. Don't be mislead by the fact that they call Emacs > an editor - it's far, far more than a mere editor. It has support for ^ This is an excellent summary of why you

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-03-04 Thread Paul Nathan Puri
I'm going to start a co that builds cheap boxen with debian. I have what I believe a creative marketing scheme. My target market is mid to low income families. Contact me if you have an interest. I'm ready for some serious planning/implementation. NatePuri Certified Law Student & Debian GN

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-03-04 Thread Ed Cogburn
mike shupp wrote: > > On Wed, 3 Mar 1999, Ed Cogburn wrote: > > > Like George Bonser has said previously, I think the only way that > > Debian is going to grow its market share better than its currently > > growing is for the creation of a commercial company which adopts > > Debian as its b

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-03-03 Thread mike shupp
On Wed, 3 Mar 1999, Ed Cogburn wrote: > Like George Bonser has said previously, I think the only way that > Debian is going to grow its market share better than its currently > growing is for the creation of a commercial company which adopts > Debian as its base distribution. This company c

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-03-03 Thread Ed Cogburn
Frankie wrote: > > > > You are perhaps referring the "Linux Standard Base" that RH and > > Deb have, for the moment, agreed to? The problem is that the > > greater RH's dominance becomes, the greater the chance that they > > will no longer see this kind of cooperation as desirable, and i

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-03-02 Thread Frankie
> You are perhaps referring the "Linux Standard Base" that RH and > Deb have, for the moment, agreed to? The problem is that the > greater RH's dominance becomes, the greater the chance that they > will no longer see this kind of cooperation as desirable, and in > effect decide on their o

Re: dselect Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-03-02 Thread Frankie
Wayne Cuddy wrote: > > If there is one feature that I would LOVE to see in dselect it would be to > save all the packages I have selected and allow my to load the selection on a > new system so I don't have to do it everytime. Maybe this feature is already > there and I don't know about it... >

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-03-01 Thread Jonathan Guthrie
On Sat, 27 Feb 1999, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > Ed Cogburn wrote: > > As Deb becomes bigger, attracting more users, with some > > of them becoming developers, Deb's weaknesses such as the install > > problems will be addressed as well (am I the only one who likes > > dselect? :-) ). > No, there's at

Re: dselect Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-03-01 Thread David B. Teague
On Mon, 1 Mar 1999, Wayne Cuddy wrote: > If there is one feature that I would LOVE to see in dselect it would be > to save all the packages I have selected and allow my to load the > selection on a new system so I don't have to do it everytime. Maybe > this feature is already there and I don't k

dselect Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-03-01 Thread Wayne Cuddy
1 Mar 1999, Randy Edwards wrote: > Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 06:46:05 -0500 > From: Randy Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Ed Cogburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: Debian-Users > Subject: Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point? > Resent-Date: 1 Mar 1999 1

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-03-01 Thread Frankie
Peter Ludwig wrote: > January 1999 have net account will download! > At the beginning of the year I'd gotten very bored with everything and > decided to attempt to download and install debian off the net. This time > things went great. To summarize the good points I have found with debian > :-

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-03-01 Thread Randy Edwards
> of them becoming developers, Deb's weaknesses such as the install > problems will be addressed as well (am I the only one who likes > dselect? :-) ). While dselect does have an odd interface, I definitely like it. I can see the original author's motive for force-feeding help screens, which I

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-03-01 Thread Bob Nielsen
http://www.userfriendly.org/static/ Bob Nielsen Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tucson, AZ AMPRnet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DM42nh http://www.primenet.com/~nielsen

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-03-01 Thread Christian Kurz
Ed Cogburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Christian Kurz wrote: > > > > Mark Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 08:36:38PM +1000, Peter Ludwig wrote: > > > > > > Now, I have a few problems with it. > > > > 1) No "IDE" for the compiler. > > > > > Try Emacs or XEmacs. Do

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-03-01 Thread Peter Ludwig
On Sun, 28 Feb 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On 28-Feb-99, Mark Brown took time to write : > >> 3) No documentation on how to load/use the original programs that loaded > >> when installing. That is, can I load again the program that allowed me to > > Hmm... This problem seems to apply to all t

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-02-28 Thread Mark Phillips
> Were you a Linux user back when Slackware (or SLS) was the ONLY > distribution? Corel has now announced that they are going to produce > their own distribution. That might put a bit of a hurt on Red Hat. Has anyone suggested to Corel, that they base their new distribution on Debian? Cheers,

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-02-28 Thread Mark Brown
On Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 03:44:55PM +0100, Christian Kurz wrote: > Mark Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 08:36:38PM +1000, Peter Ludwig wrote: > > > 1) No "IDE" for the compiler. > > Try Emacs or XEmacs. Don't be mislead by the fact that they call Emacs > Hm, but there

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-02-28 Thread King Lee
On Sun, 28 Feb 1999, George Bonser wrote: > On Sun, 28 Feb 1999, King Lee wrote: > > > Sorry, bad choice of words. I hope that if debian gains "market share" > > Red Hat may not be so dominant. > > Well, I am not sure that Red Hat being so dominant is anything Debian can > change unless the

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-02-28 Thread Ed Cogburn
Christian Kurz wrote: > > Mark Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 08:36:38PM +1000, Peter Ludwig wrote: > > > > Now, I have a few problems with it. > > > 1) No "IDE" for the compiler. > > > Try Emacs or XEmacs. Don't be mislead by the fact that they call Emacs > > an e

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-02-28 Thread Ed Cogburn
George Bonser wrote: > > On Sat, 27 Feb 1999, Ed Cogburn wrote: > > > > In other words, the value is the process and not the content. > > > > > > What do mean by content here? The software? > > > > I'm saying the 'process' has been positively influenced by the > > 'politics' (the Soc

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-02-28 Thread Christian Kurz
Mark Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 08:36:38PM +1000, Peter Ludwig wrote: > > Now, I have a few problems with it. > > 1) No "IDE" for the compiler. > Try Emacs or XEmacs. Don't be mislead by the fact that they call Emacs > an editor - it's far, far more than a mere ed

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-02-28 Thread Ed Cogburn
Mark Brown wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 08:36:38PM +1000, Peter Ludwig wrote: > > > Now, I have a few problems with it. > > 1) No "IDE" for the compiler. > > Try Emacs or XEmacs. Don't be mislead by the fact that they call Emacs > an editor - it's far, far more than a mere editor. It has

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-02-28 Thread pat
On 28-Feb-99, Mark Brown took time to write : >> 3) No documentation on how to load/use the original programs that loaded >> when installing. That is, can I load again the program that allowed me to > > Hmm... This problem seems to apply to all the distributions I've tried. > They have a nice

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-02-28 Thread Mark Brown
On Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 08:36:38PM +1000, Peter Ludwig wrote: > Now, I have a few problems with it. > 1) No "IDE" for the compiler. Try Emacs or XEmacs. Don't be mislead by the fact that they call Emacs an editor - it's far, far more than a mere editor. It has support for compilation and intera

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-02-28 Thread Peter Ludwig
I've just gotten my mail down, so sorry for the lateness of this :) A Short Linux History (by me) In 1992/3 I was looking at getting myself a new operating system, well after chatting to a couple of friends, I heard about "debian linux", now I hadn't heard of linux before so when I found it was

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-02-28 Thread King Lee
On Sat, 27 Feb 1999, George Bonser wrote: > I am not sure how gaining market share improves Debian. I think you could > say that Debian is better than Red Hat for servers. In other words, get > the message over that Red Hat might be easier for the single-user desktop > but Debian is the proper

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-02-28 Thread King Lee
On Sat, 27 Feb 1999, Frankie wrote: > OK, so the two leading distros are redhat and debian. debian, on the one > hand, is run as a voluntary organisation etc, whereas redhat is (or is going > the way of) a corporation, in the sense that it employs programmers, is very > far ahead of any of the

Re: Debian and Redhat-are most linux users missing the point?

1999-02-28 Thread Burt . Model . bmodel
Wasn't gonna do it, but what the hell... _My Linux Story_ In 1994, after learning of it from a friend, I purchased a 4 disk set of Linux CDs from Infomagic. I soon threw in the towel in frustration, never getting my proprietary cdrom hardware and that distribution

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-02-28 Thread Carey Evans
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > It seem that dselect and apt-get must use two different Package lists. Right. > I would have expected them to use the same one as they both use dpkg. There's various levels to dpkg - apt just uses it to install packages, dselect uses it to manage the available file t

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-02-28 Thread wtopa
Subject: Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point? Date: Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 01:47:38PM +1100 In reply to:Brian May Quoting Brian May([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you write: > >>I think dselect, especially in

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-02-28 Thread Havoc Pennington
On Sun, 28 Feb 1999, P Asokan wrote: > > If I want to write an install program, whom do I get in touch? I do know C > fairly well and I would give this a crack. Will someone point me to areas of > study, persons to contact? > There is already a big plan for this, you might start with: http://w

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-02-28 Thread P Asokan
>> Also, I think Red Hat is a "linux virgin" distrib -- first time Linux >> users have probably only heard of Red Hat, and a lot of people feel >> the Red Hat installation is easier. Same way with me when I started, >> but I had only heard of Slackware. Once I knew more about Unix >> administrati

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-02-28 Thread Brian May
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you write: >>I think dselect, especially in >>combination with the apt access method, is terrific - it just takes some >>time upfront to get used to it. > >Many people switching to Linux from the 'Other ' OS may equate spending time >to learn an install package, with

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-02-28 Thread Steve Willer
On Sun, 28 Feb 1999, P Asokan wrote: > It appears to me dselect is more a sysadmin's install tool. Even Yast looks > a little easier. for my $0.02 i would strongly suggest ywo install programs > a simpleone with less choices and another for the more adventurous. It's an interesting thought. The

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-02-28 Thread P Asokan
>I think dselect, especially in >combination with the apt access method, is terrific - it just takes some >time upfront to get used to it. Many people switching to Linux from the 'Other ' OS may equate spending time to learn an install package, with difficulty of use and/or other nameless difficul

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-02-28 Thread Allan Bart
Hello, Several years ago , I said that debian should use some of the tools of marketing to increase the potential universe of users awareness of debian. i received such flack that i realized that there was a political bent in many free software users that was anti marketing or maybe were totally

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-02-28 Thread Tom Pfeifer
Ed Cogburn wrote: > > As Deb becomes bigger, attracting more users, with some > of them becoming developers, Deb's weaknesses such as the install > problems will be addressed as well (am I the only one who likes > dselect? :-) ). No, there's at least two of us :-) I think dselect, especially in c

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-02-27 Thread Ed Cogburn
Matt Garman wrote: > > I like the machine name, "skunkpussy." Hehe. > > On Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 03:54:04AM -, Frankie wrote: > > ... > > I think that debian needs to adopt a (slightly) aggressive marketing policy, > > to increase its userbase. The fact that it doesn't have professional > > m

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-02-27 Thread Ed Cogburn
George Bonser wrote: > > On Sat, 27 Feb 1999, Ed Cogburn wrote: > > > > > First, I think a *lot* of the Debian users are using it at least > > in part based on 'political' issues such as Debian being the only > > non-commercial distribution (myself included). For one thing, as > > another

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-02-27 Thread Matt Garman
I like the machine name, "skunkpussy." Hehe. On Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 03:54:04AM -, Frankie wrote: > ... > I think that debian needs to adopt a (slightly) aggressive marketing policy, > to increase its userbase. The fact that it doesn't have professional > marketers counts in redhat's favour.

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-02-27 Thread Paul Nathan Puri
They easiest way to use dselect is to choose the source, then do not select extra packages outside of the defaults. Except scroll down and select apt. Then hit return. This will install the default base system. Later use "apt-get install" to install the mail client, mta, etc that you want. This

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-02-27 Thread Lyno Sullivan
At 11:51 PM 2/26/99 -0500, Geoffrey Deasey KD4WVF wrote: >We are attracting windows users and they >come to us with no linux experience. I tryed >debian a while ago and became so >frustrated with dselect that I gave up twice. Exactly true. I used apt-get to install Slink and believe apt-get is

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-02-27 Thread Ed Cogburn
George Bonser wrote: > > On Sat, 27 Feb 1999, Frankie wrote: > > A couple of weeks ago there was a poll, which showed that redhat hat had > > about 2 or three times as many users as debian, and that redhat was first > > with debian was second, but far closer to the other distros than to redhat. >

Re: Debian and Redhat-are most linux users missing the point?

1999-02-27 Thread Kevin Dalley
Tommy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > One last thing I think it is unfortunate that Debian is know as the > geekiest distribution of a geek os. I have no CS backround but, I > downloaded 0.93 from the net and have used Debian ever since, except the > time when my ex girlfriend took my computer. I

Re: Debian and Redhat-are most linux users missing the point?

1999-02-27 Thread Tommy
I don't think Debian has to be the number one distribution in order to be successful. Any growth in Linux use, no matter what the distribution, is good for the whole community. It is important to understand the developer/user relationship is, or should, be different in a volunteer structure than th

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-02-27 Thread Havoc Pennington
On Sat, 27 Feb 1999, Nathan O. Siemers wrote: > I strongly agree. I have personal convictions that debian is > the higher quality dist, but I cannot reccomend it to the corporation > I work for simply because of the install process and dselect issues. > The install is actually quite easy

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-02-27 Thread eferen1
debian-user Date: Saturday, February 27, 1999 13:35 Subject: Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point? > > Now I may be wrong, but I believe that many (if not the majority) of > > linux users are attracted to linux because its free, and because it is > >

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-02-27 Thread Nathan O. Siemers
Geoffrey Deasey KD4WVF <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I think that the main reason for redhats success in numbers has more to > do with the installation program. Many of us can peice together > a broken install and get it working. But we are now venturing into > a different and larger world.

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-02-27 Thread Mike Carter
> > Now I may be wrong, but I believe that many (if not the majority) of > > linux users are attracted to linux because its free, and because it is > > symbolic of the backlash against the large corporation ethos of many of > > its competitors, rather than its reliability (let alone it's ease of

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-02-27 Thread Frankie
Paul Nathan Puri wrote: > > We need, to work on the install. Debian is so awesome. Yet, will not be > noticed by the masses unless the install method becomes better than RH. > RH's method is open sourced. So there should be a way for debian to make > it better. > > I'm willing to participate i

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-02-27 Thread Paul Nathan Puri
We need, to work on the install. Debian is so awesome. Yet, will not be noticed by the masses unless the install method becomes better than RH. RH's method is open sourced. So there should be a way for debian to make it better. I'm willing to participate in a marketing effort. Such an effort

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-02-27 Thread wtopa
Subject: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point? Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 03:54:04AM - In reply to:Frankie Quoting Frankie([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > I don't know where to post this to, but this seemed as good a place as any. > This is n

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-02-27 Thread Geoffrey Deasey KD4WVF
> OK, so the two leading distros are redhat and debian. debian, on the one > hand, is run as a voluntary organisation etc, whereas redhat is (or is going > the way of) a corporation, in the sense that it employs programmers, is very > far ahead of any of the competition and (arguably although I th

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-02-27 Thread Havoc Pennington
On Sat, 27 Feb 1999, Frankie wrote: > > On the basis that linux is soundly based on ideology and a belief that the > internet should remain free, debian may well be the best distribution, and > on that basis, redhat the worst. > Just for perspective: Red Hat is by far the best commercial distri

Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?

1999-02-27 Thread Frankie
Further to my previous posting: I have just found this article: http://www.zdnet.com/devhead/stories/articles/0,4413,2217609,00.html Is it any wonder redhat are number one when they can find people to write articles like this? frankie

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