ping
>>>> pdfsam - PDF Split and Merge
>>>>> The poppler-utils package includes:
>>>>> pdfseparate -- page extraction tool
>>>>> pdftotext -- text extraction
>>>>> pdftohtml -- PDF to HTML converter
>>>
On 7/23/25 11:23 AM, Greg wrote:
On 2025-07-23, Richard Owlett wrote:
On 7/20/25 5:52 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
I'm running Debian 12.8.
I have a 100+ page PDF document.
I wish to extract 2 of those pages, each to their own PDF file.
I wish to edit those 2 files.
How?
[Simple question
On 2025-07-23, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 7/20/25 5:52 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>> I'm running Debian 12.8.
>>
>> I have a 100+ page PDF document.
>> I wish to extract 2 of those pages, each to their own PDF file.
>> I wish to edit those 2 files.
>> H
On 7/20/25 5:52 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
I'm running Debian 12.8.
I have a 100+ page PDF document.
I wish to extract 2 of those pages, each to their own PDF file.
I wish to edit those 2 files.
How?
[Simple question but I suspect answer may not be so simple.
What I've read confuses
On Tue, 2025-07-22 at 09:35 -0500, David Wright wrote:
> > > I used to use pdfjoin to join pdfs (though there was a bug where
> > > some
> > > pages would be oriented wrongly) and I needed to join some pdfs
> > > recently. But there were so many dependencies for pdfjoin that I
> > > decided
> > > t
On 7/22/25 1:31 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Tue, Jul 22, 2025 at 13:17:52 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
I'm running Debian 12.8 and package install failed with
Failed to fetch
http://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/o/openjdk-17/openjdk-17-jre
There's no vers
On Tue, Jul 22, 2025 at 13:17:52 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> I'm running Debian 12.8 and package install failed with
> > Failed to fetch
> > http://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/o/openjdk-17/openjdk-17-jre
There's no version number on that f
On 7/22/25 11:19 AM, David Wright wrote:
On Tue 22 Jul 2025 at 10:14:37 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote:
On 7/20/25 5:52 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
I'm running Debian 12.8.
I have a 100+ page PDF document.
I wish to extract 2 of those pages, each to their own PDF file.
[ … ]
I should
On Mon, Jul 21, 2025 at 02:09:48PM +, Andy Smith wrote:
> I discussed this upstream:
>
> https://github.com/fwupd/fwupd/discussions/9049#discussion-8603003
>
> and was asked me to report it as a Debian bug, so it's #1109667 and is
> as yet unresolved.
It seems lik
On Tue 22 Jul 2025 at 10:14:37 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 7/20/25 5:52 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > I'm running Debian 12.8.
> >
> > I have a 100+ page PDF document.
> > I wish to extract 2 of those pages, each to their own PDF file.
[ … ]
> I shou
The poppler-utils package has tools like:
pdfseparate -- page extraction tool
pdftotext -- text extraction
pdftohtml -- PDF to HTML converter
Many others as well, but those might be of immediate value to you.
Years ago, pre-PDF, there used to be tools like ps2ps, pstops
(different tools, I think
On Tue, Jul 22, 2025 at 5:28 AM Greg wrote:
> Evince can fill in fillable forms, as can Chrome.
> But evince seems the natural choice.
Firefox can draw onto a PDF. When using text to draw, it allows one
to make it act like a fillable form when it isn't.
Evince does not seem to offer such a feat
Hah! Thanks for all of the Firefox follow-ups.
I had stumbled across the info about fonts shortly after I posted.
While printing from FF didn't work, using good old fashioned "lp" from
the command line worked on the filled-and-saved PDF.
I also tried moving pdfs back and forth between my home c
On 7/20/25 5:52 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
I'm running Debian 12.8.
I have a 100+ page PDF document.
I wish to extract 2 of those pages, each to their own PDF file.
I wish to edit those 2 files.
How?
[Simple question but I suspect answer may not be so simple.
What I've read confuses
On Mon 21 Jul 2025 at 10:38:55 (-0400), Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > I used to use pdfjoin to join pdfs (though there was a bug where some
> > pages would be oriented wrongly) and I needed to join some pdfs
> > recently. But there were so many dependencies for pdfjoin that I decided
> > to try pdfunit
On 2025-07-21, Mike Castle wrote:
> Annoyingly, I am currently trying to print a filled-form PDF with FF
> and it is not working.
>
> When I try to print the page, it comes up with the form without all of
> my filling.
>
> So, treat my previous comment with suspicion.
Evince can fill in fillable
Am Montag, 21. Juli 2025, 21:25:36 CEST schrieb Mike Castle:
> Annoyingly, I am currently trying to print a filled-form PDF with FF
> and it is not working.
>
> When I try to print the page, it comes up with the form without all of
> my filling.
>
> So, treat my previous comment with suspicion.
>
Am Montag, 21. Juli 2025, 21:25:36 CEST schrieb Mike Castle:
> Annoyingly, I am currently trying to print a filled-form PDF with FF
> and it is not working.
>
> When I try to print the page, it comes up with the form without all of
> my filling.
>
> So, treat my previous comment with suspicion.
>
140.0.4 on Debian 13 (sid) to download a 1040 pdf
from https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040.pdf; the tax form opened in
my Firefox window, and allowed me to click in the Last Name and First
Name fields, and put in my name. I then "printed" the document to a new
.pdf file, and from a termi
Annoyingly, I am currently trying to print a filled-form PDF with FF
and it is not working.
When I try to print the page, it comes up with the form without all of
my filling.
So, treat my previous comment with suspicion.
mrc
For actually modifying PDFs, I have taken to using Firefox. It not
only handles editable PDFs (those with predefined fields to type
into), it can also simply overlay text and drawings.
It is not likely to work for changing the wording of the document.
But if you just want to avoid having to print
> I used to use pdfjoin to join pdfs (though there was a bug where some
> pages would be oriented wrongly) and I needed to join some pdfs
> recently. But there were so many dependencies for pdfjoin that I decided
> to try pdfunite (that somebody had recently mentioned here), which I
> already had i
I discussed this upstream:
https://github.com/fwupd/fwupd/discussions/9049#discussion-8603003
and was asked me to report it as a Debian bug, so it's #1109667 and is
as yet unresolved.
Thanks,
Andy
--
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>
>> > See man mutool. Roger
>>
>> pdftk can do what you want, and more.
> Try "pdfarranger", it is in the debian repo.
> Should work for your needs. Also "pdfsam" might also be able to do it,
> however, personally I think, pdfarranger is
On 7/20/25 9:29 AM, Roger Price wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025, Richard Owlett wrote:
I have a 100+ page PDF document.
I wish to extract 2 of those pages, each to their own PDF file.
For a simple graphical solution, try xpdf. The print option allows you to print
specified pages to file.
We cann
On Mon, 21 Jul 2025 06:15:08 -0400
Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
> Does anyone know what package provides the mysql_secure_installation
> script on Debian 13 Trixie?
Yes.
Oh, you actually wanted to know which package in trixie provides
mysql_secure_installation. Well:
root@tiassa:~# ap
"pdfseparate" is the tool I need.
I need to tweak content of some tables in a large PDF document.
Wish I had known about it ~2 years ago.
*THANK YOU*
On 7/20/25 9:19 AM, Roger Price wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025, Richard Owlett wrote:
On 7/20/25 7:24 AM, Roger Price wrote:
mutool merge -o Pa
On Mon, Jul 21, 2025 at 06:57:41 -0400, Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2025 at 6:45 AM wrote:
>
> > Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
> > > All,
> > >
> > > Does anyone know what package provides the mysql_secure_installation
> > > s
On Mon, Jul 21, 2025 at 6:45 AM wrote:
> Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
> > All,
> >
> > Does anyone know what package provides the mysql_secure_installation
> > script on Debian 13 Trixie?
>
> google debian mysql_secure_installation shows me as the first hi
Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
> All,
>
> Does anyone know what package provides the mysql_secure_installation
> script on Debian 13 Trixie?
google debian mysql_secure_installation shows me as the first hit
https://manpages.debian.org/testing/mariadb-client/mysql_secure_installatio
All,
Does anyone know what package provides the mysql_secure_installation script
on Debian 13 Trixie?
Thanks
Tim
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On Mon, Jul 21, 2025 at 2:49 AM Paul Scott wrote:
>
> I have run sid/unstable for about 20 years. The only active line in my
> /etc/apt/sources.list is
>
> deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free-firmware
>
> cat /etc/os-release gives"
>
> PRETTY_N
n to see what one is following.
But they may not necessarily be distinguished by what's currently
installed, notably, e.g.
base-files provides /etc/debian-version and /etc/os-release, and at
any given time,
the version of that package, and thus its files, in testing and
unstable may be the s
tinguished by what's currently
installed, notably, e.g.
base-files provides /etc/debian-version and /etc/os-release, and at
any given time,
the version of that package, and thus its files, in testing and
unstable may be the same.
That's also why /etc/debian_version may a bit more fittingly a
Hello,
I have run sid/unstable for about 20 years. The only active line in my
/etc/apt/sources.list is
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free-firmware
cat /etc/os-release gives"
PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 13 (trixie)"
NAME="Debian GNU/Linux"
VE
DF file.
> >
> > How about
> >
> >mutool merge -o Page-n.pdf <100-page.pdf> n
> >
> > where <100-page.pdf> is the original file
> > Page-n.pdf is the one page file extracted
> >
> > See man mutool. Roger
>
> pdftk can
On Sun, 2025-07-20 at 14:24 +0200, Roger Price wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Jul 2025, Richard Owlett wrote:
>
> > I have a 100+ page PDF document.
> > I wish to extract 2 of those pages, each to their own PDF file.
>
> How about
>
> mutool merge -o Page-n.pdf <100-page.pdf> n
>
> where <100-page.pd
> I wish to extract 2 of those pages, each to their own PDF file.
> I wish to edit those 2 files.
I've used Inkskape in the past to edit PDFs, and more
recently LibreOffice.
As a general rule, the better option is to do something else, because
editing PDFs is fundamentally "wrong" so the tools ha
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025, Richard Owlett wrote:
> I have a 100+ page PDF document.
> I wish to extract 2 of those pages, each to their own PDF file.
For a simple graphical solution, try xpdf. The print option allows you to
print
specified pages to file.
We cannot help with the editing since you ha
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 7/20/25 7:24 AM, Roger Price wrote:
> > mutool merge -o Page-n.pdf <100-page.pdf> n
> >
> > where <100-page.pdf> is the original file
> >Page-n.pdf is the one page file extracted
> >
> Is some demo or tutorial that would clarify what it
On 7/20/25 7:24 AM, Roger Price wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025, Richard Owlett wrote:
I have a 100+ page PDF document.
I wish to extract 2 of those pages, each to their own PDF file.
How about
mutool merge -o Page-n.pdf <100-page.pdf> n
where <100-page.pdf> is the original file
Page-
On 2025-07-20, Richard Owlett wrote:
> I'm running Debian 12.8.
>
> I have a 100+ page PDF document.
> I wish to extract 2 of those pages, each to their own PDF file.
> I wish to edit those 2 files.
> How?
> [Simple question but I suspect answer may not be so simple.
&
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025, Richard Owlett wrote:
> I have a 100+ page PDF document.
> I wish to extract 2 of those pages, each to their own PDF file.
How about
mutool merge -o Page-n.pdf <100-page.pdf> n
where <100-page.pdf> is the original file
Page-n.pdf is the one page file extracted
I'm running Debian 12.8.
I have a 100+ page PDF document.
I wish to extract 2 of those pages, each to their own PDF file.
I wish to edit those 2 files.
How?
[Simple question but I suspect answer may not be so simple.
What I've read confuses me.]
TIA
Hi,
On an install of the RC of the forthcoming Debian 13, I just installed
fwupd. I now go to refresh its database and get:
$ sudo fwupdmgr refresh
Updating lvfs
Failed to download metadata for lvfs: network is unreachable: Host unreachable
I am not aware of any reason why this host would have
please check if your network interface was not renamed and still the same:
iifname "ens18" accept
...
oifname "ens18" masquerade
I updated my virtual machine from Debian 12 to 13, after which it began
to work incorrectly with nftables. Incoming letters do not work,
nftables does not work correctly. It is impossible to receive or send a
letter in the local network. At the same time, from the external network
(Internet
> Aye, it’s way too big a topic for the mailing list. If you’re
> interested in the whole debate (as far back as 2003) you can find
> highlights here:
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/DefaultMTA
Thanks, that very much answers my question.
I guess if `ssmtp` had been extended to allow local deli
> On 17 Jul 2025, at 20:09, Marco Moock wrote:
>
> On 17.07.2025 19:00 Uhr Stefan Monnier wrote:
>
>> I don't have anything against Exim4 (I just happened to choose Postfix
>> many years ago and never had a reason to reconsider that choice).
>> I know basically nothing about Exim4 other than th
On 17.07.2025 19:00 Uhr Stefan Monnier wrote:
> I don't have anything against Exim4 (I just happened to choose Postfix
> many years ago and never had a reason to reconsider that choice).
> I know basically nothing about Exim4 other than the fact that
> installing Postfix instead saved a few kB (no
Hi,
On Thu, Jul 17, 2025 at 12:54:58PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> Why does Debian default to installing Exim4?
Just historical reasons I think: No great mystery, just that a choice
had to be made and that was the choice that was made.
Personally I haven't been too thrilled wit
Why does Debian default to installing Exim4?
I just crossgraded two machines (i386->amd64 and armhf->arm64) in
different ways (once with `crosssgrader` and once with a fresh install
followed by manual reconciliation) and in both cases I ended up with
Exim4 installed while I had starte
x. Then she got the new one.
> >
> > ... but also their whole website is bogus and with my luck would ALSO
> > do some user-agent checks now. Ugh, why is everything a web-app :(
> >
> Because it's platform-independent, as long as you don't do stupid
> one-br
> Right, but her laptop is pretty much dead (won't charge any longer and
> has only 4 gb of RAM) and cannot be revived for any sensible amount of
> money, so she must buy a new one.
Side note: the "new" one doesn't have to be literally new, it could be
second-hand as well.
Stefan
Greg (HE12025-07-14):
> Sure. All the old hands (Hasler, Wright, tomas, Wooledge et. al.) are
> using Gnome, the default Debian desktop.
Any evidence to support that claim?
--
Nicolas George
> Sure. All the old hands (Hasler, Wright, tomas, Wooledge et. al.) are
> using Gnome, the default Debian desktop.
>
s/Gnome/fvwm/g
J
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On Mon, Jul 14, 2025 at 9:39 AM Dan Purgert wrote:
>
> On Jul 14, 2025, Greg wrote:
> > On 2025-07-14, Dan Purgert wrote:
> > >
> > >> I think that's already happened, more or less. The issue is that to get
> > >> my wife to use Debian it w
On 2025-07-14, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 14, 2025 at 01:18:03PM -, Greg wrote:
>>the old dinosaurs hold them in a certain disdain
>
> You don't understand irony, do you?
>
Sure. All the old hands (Hasler, Wright, tomas, Wooledge et. al.) are
using Gnome, the default Debian desktop.
rything a web-app :(
>
Because it's platform-independent, as long as you don't do stupid
one-browser-only tricks. My assorted home software will run on her
Windows computer, my Debian sid and both Android and iOS mobile phones.
Before I started with Linux, I had a moderate exposure to D
On Mon, 14 Jul 2025 11:27:46 +0200
Nicolas George wrote:
> Is it a underhanded plan to have the experienced users quietly by
> themselves?
No, it is a sneaky underhanded plot to leave the email lists entirely
to the old hands and rid us of pesky boring newbie questions like
"Where's the power sw
On Mon, Jul 14, 2025 at 01:18:03PM -, Greg wrote:
the old dinosaurs hold them in a certain disdain
You don't understand irony, do you?
On Jul 14, 2025, Greg wrote:
> On 2025-07-14, Dan Purgert wrote:
> >
> >> I think that's already happened, more or less. The issue is that to get
> >> my wife to use Debian it would need to be preinstalled [...]
> >
> > But that's why she has
On 2025-07-14, Dan Purgert wrote:
>
>> I think that's already happened, more or less. The issue is that to get
>> my wife to use Debian it would need to be preinstalled [...]
>
> But that's why she has you, right? :)
>
Right, but her laptop is pretty much dea
#x27;s
> broken they go to Joe's Automotive in Culver City.
I have done "basic" work on a car before (oil change, etc.). Honestly,
when Joe's Automotive over there does the same job for about the same
price, AND I don't have to haul off the old fluids for dispos
-combustion engines. They buy the car and when it's
broken they go to Joe's Automotive in Culver City.
> Is it a underhanded plan to have the experienced users quietly by
> themselves?
I think that's already happened, more or less. The issue is that to get
my wife to use Debi
Hi,
On Mon, Jul 14, 2025 at 11:27:46AM +0200, Nicolas George wrote:
> Greg (HE12025-07-12):
> > The thrust of the OP seems to be directed towards the *majority* of
> > *new* users, who ain't gonna be using Gnus to read this mailing list,
> > please get real.
>
> So, you would have a webforum with
Greg (HE12025-07-12):
> That's fine as long as you realize you are in the vast minority.
As long as you acknowledge that not being in the majority is not a flaw
in any way…
> The thrust of the OP seems to be directed towards the *majority* of
> *new* users, who ain't gonna be using Gnus to read t
tually would be viable, I would be *actively
glad* about that.
Where we are is I asked my own wife if she'd ever heard of Debian. She
said "Quoi?" three or four times before admitting she hadn't. She *has*
heard of Linux, though. Before talking about quoting styles you have to
r
d be viable, I would be *actively
> glad* about that.
>
Where we are is I asked my own wife if she'd ever heard of Debian. She
said "Quoi?" three or four times before admitting she hadn't. She *has*
heard of Linux, though. Before talking about quoting styles you have to
Greg writes:
> My understanding was that everyone here would be welcome to a more
> commodious place for the newer generations for whom mailing lists and
> newsgroups are foreign modes of communication.
I would welcome such a thing as long as it did not require me to
exchange my present mode of in
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 12, 2025 at 12:20:05PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
>> On Sat, Jul 12, 2025 at 04:09:25PM +, fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote:
>>> but doesn't it all come down to the whims of the debian gods
>>> after al
On Sat, Jul 12, 2025 at 12:20:05PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 12, 2025 at 04:09:25PM +, fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote:
> > but doesn't it all come down to the whims of the debian gods
> > after all it is their's
>
> not really--anyone can start a
lace for the newer generations for whom mailing lists and
> >> newsgroups are foreign modes of communication.
> >
> > And if the people here are more comfortable on mailing lists and
> > consider web forums to be foreign modes of communication [...]
> but doesn't i
On Sat, Jul 12, 2025 at 04:09:25PM +, fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote:
but doesn't it all come down to the whims of the debian gods
after all it is their's
not really--anyone can start a forum, they just have to figure out how
to convince people to use it
ing list that everybody
> should be using something else that other people like better seems
> unproductive at best.
>
but doesn't it all come down to the whims of the debian gods
after all it is their's
On Sat, Jul 12, 2025 at 03:53:08PM -, Greg wrote:
My understanding was that everyone here would be welcome to a more
commodious place for the newer generations for whom mailing lists and
newsgroups are foreign modes of communication.
And if the people here are more comfortable on mailing li
On 2025-07-12, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 12, 2025 at 03:25:56PM -, Greg wrote:
>>You people are talking to yourselves. That's the problem which the OP
>>is seeking to solve.
>
> It seems "you're welcome here" means "you're welcome some other place
> that doesn't exist yet, and where
On 2025-07-12, Stephan Seitz wrote:
> Am Sa, Jul 12, 2025 at 14:48:20 - schrieb Greg:
>>That's fine as long as you realize you are in the vast minority.
>
> Fine with me, I don’t have a smartphone either and don’t use any social
> media.
>
>>The thrust of the OP seems to be directed towards t
On Sat, Jul 12, 2025 at 03:25:56PM -, Greg wrote:
You people are talking to yourselves. That's the problem which the OP
is seeking to solve.
It seems "you're welcome here" means "you're welcome some other place
that doesn't exist yet, and where the people here aren't welcome"?
Weird way t
On 2025-07-12, wrote:
>> The thrust of the OP seems to be directed towards the *majority* of
>> *new* users, who ain't gonna be using Gnus to read this mailing list,
>> please get real.
>
> If that's your criterion, what are you doing dabbling in Debian?
>
run "apps"
> > and do not participate in so called social media of any kind
> >
>
> That's fine as long as you realize you are in the vast minority.
>
> The thrust of the OP seems to be directed towards the *majority* of
> *new* users, who ain't gonna be
Am Sa, Jul 12, 2025 at 14:48:20 - schrieb Greg:
That's fine as long as you realize you are in the vast minority.
Fine with me, I don’t have a smartphone either and don’t use any social
media.
The thrust of the OP seems to be directed towards the *majority* of
*new* users, who ain't gonn
Am Fr, Jul 11, 2025 at 14:51:49 - schrieb Greg:
email (to tell the truth, I don't even know how people handle the
shitload of emails flooding into their inboxes).
I use procmail to put the mails in fitting maildir folders.
And since maildir has every mail as a file, a simple find together
alize you are in the vast minority.
The thrust of the OP seems to be directed towards the *majority* of
*new* users, who ain't gonna be using Gnus to read this mailing list,
please get real.
Of course, I don't care one way or another about marketing Debian to
Gen-Z (or X?) folks. In fact,
Paul writes:
> What package is [Gnus] in?
It's part of Emacs.
--
John Hasler
j...@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA
Hi,
On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 06:52:42PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> Zulip?
> Discourse?
> Lemmy?
>
> Ideally, such a thing would have good&nice bridges to&from email, but in
> practice I don't know any that have such bridges (some have no such
> bridge, while other have such bridges but they do
> On 12 Jul 2025, at 06:15, Paul Scott wrote:
>
>
> On 7/11/25 11:04 AM, John Hasler wrote:
>>> I don't even know how people handle the shitload of emails flooding
>>> into their inboxes
>> By using Gnus. It handles mail like news.
>
> What package is it in?
>
> Thank you,
Emacs.
M-x gnu
On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 08:19:32PM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
[...]
> I don't anything about Discourse's email bridging, if any --
There is.
> my possibly naive take is that email users are distinctly second
> class,
they are, that's my experience.
The most acute challenge with mail is that it
On 7/11/25 11:04 AM, John Hasler wrote:
I don't even know how people handle the shitload of emails flooding
into their inboxes
By using Gnus. It handles mail like news.
What package is it in?
Thank you,
Paul
We love libre software! I hope libre software still alive in the next years.
On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 03:16:54PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote:
> Jonathan Dowland (HE12025-07-11):
> > In short I think any attempt to provide a new place for users is going to
>
Stefan Monnier wrote:
> >> Do you have a proposal then for a forum (as in, a platform for group
> >> discussion) that's more palatable to the youngsters?
>
> Zulip?
> Discourse?
> Lemmy?
>
> Ideally, such a thing would have good&nice bridges to&from email, but in
> practice I don't know any that
Andy et al:
Can't make the conference anyway, but I've always felt welcome and
supported on the list.
Thanks for that.
Bob Crochelt
On 7/10/25 01:48, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
Hi,
I'm at a chat in Debcamp about the experience for new Linux users and people
new to De
>> Do you have a proposal then for a forum (as in, a platform for group
>> discussion) that's more palatable to the youngsters?
Zulip?
Discourse?
Lemmy?
Ideally, such a thing would have good&nice bridges to&from email, but in
practice I don't know any that have such bridges (some have no such
bri
On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 6:50 AM Joe wrote:
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> On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 12:13:05 +0200
> Philipp Ewald wrote:
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> > Am 10.07.25 um 15:14 schrieb Andy Smith:
> > > I know a large number of people under the age of 20 who literally
> > > say things like, "email is only for password reminders and my Steam
many instances
> of that (and the sites I am aware of using Mailman 2 are reluctant to
> move to 3. Debian does not use Mailman.)
While this may be the least bad of the available options, it is still a
bad option.
The reason is that in the large majority of cases, what constitutes good
> I don't even know how people handle the shitload of emails flooding
> into their inboxes
By using Gnus. It handles mail like news.
--
John Hasler
j...@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA
ion is a Discourse instance.
Quite a few large FOSS projects switched to this software and again I
think Ubuntu's example works pretty well. As far as moderation goes it
is at least intended that participants take on some of the moderation
burden after spending a bit of time.
There was at le
On Jul 11, 2025, Greg wrote:
> On 2025-07-11, Dan Purgert wrote:
> >
> >> I use a mail to news gateway (gmane) that I find more convenient than
> >> email (to tell the truth, I don't even know how people handle the shitload
> >> of emails flooding into their inboxes).
> >
> > A sieve rule to stuff
On 2025-07-11, Loris Bennett wrote:
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> So I don't think the issue is just "youngsters", who are in my
> experience form fairly heterogenous group anyway, but more of a failure
> of understanding what exactly a mailing list is and what its advantages
> are. This problem may be exacerbated by the
On 2025-07-11, Dan Purgert wrote:
>
>> I use a mail to news gateway (gmane) that I find more convenient than
>> email (to tell the truth, I don't even know how people handle the shitload
>> of emails flooding into their inboxes).
>
> A sieve rule to stuff all you lot into "INBOX.Debian-User" :)
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