On Sat, 19 Sep, 2020 at 14:31:57 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
[...]
> While I'm an LXDE user myself I do acknowledge that other DEs might have
> a different focus and/or priorities. As far as I can tell, providing
> many options is something that GNOME seems to explicitly want to avoid,
> whet
On Vi, 18 sep 20, 22:24:44, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 10:23:15 +0300
> Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>
> > On Mi, 16 sep 20, 10:32:14, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > >
> > > Short answer? Probably not. systemd has become too pervasive a
> > > dependency to do so. It shouldn't be. No oth
On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 10:23:15 +0300
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Mi, 16 sep 20, 10:32:14, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> >
> > Short answer? Probably not. systemd has become too pervasive a
> > dependency to do so. It shouldn't be. No other init system I know
> > of is.
>
> Funny how systemd is con
On Mi, 16 sep 20, 10:32:14, Patrick Bartek wrote:
>
> Short answer? Probably not. systemd has become too pervasive a
> dependency to do so. It shouldn't be. No other init system I know of
> is.
Funny how systemd is constantly "blamed" that *other* packages depend on
it.
Kind regards,
Andrei
On Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 12:30 AM Patrick Bartek wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 19:44:03 -0700
> Marc Shapiro wrote:
>
> > On 9/16/20 5:55 PM, David Wright wrote:
> > > On Wed 16 Sep 2020 at 16:15:12 (-0700), Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > >> On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 13:52:15 -0400
> > >> Greg Wooledge wrote:
I too have been using Debian for over a decade, and I've come to rely on it, so
I hear your concern at having to "switch" to something new. But I don't think
Devuan is really all that "new".
For almost two years I've had Devuan ascii with mate desktop in a VM that I
use daily for a variety
On 9/16/20 9:12 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 19:44:03 -0700
Marc Shapiro wrote:
On 9/16/20 5:55 PM, David Wright wrote:
On Wed 16 Sep 2020 at 16:15:12 (-0700), Patrick Bartek wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 13:52:15 -0400
Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:32:14A
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 19:44:03 -0700
Marc Shapiro wrote:
> On 9/16/20 5:55 PM, David Wright wrote:
> > On Wed 16 Sep 2020 at 16:15:12 (-0700), Patrick Bartek wrote:
> >> On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 13:52:15 -0400
> >> Greg Wooledge wrote:
> >>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:32:14AM -0700, Patrick Bartek
On 9/16/20 5:55 PM, David Wright wrote:
On Wed 16 Sep 2020 at 16:15:12 (-0700), Patrick Bartek wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 13:52:15 -0400
Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:32:14AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
To make a long story short, after two or so weeks of research and
numer
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 19:55:45 -0500
David Wright wrote:
> On Wed 16 Sep 2020 at 16:15:12 (-0700), Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 13:52:15 -0400
> > Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:32:14AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > > > To make a long story short, aft
On Wed 16 Sep 2020 at 16:15:12 (-0700), Patrick Bartek wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 13:52:15 -0400
> Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:32:14AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > > To make a long story short, after two or so weeks of research and
> > > numerous failed trials, I came
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 22:22:17 +0300
Reco wrote:
> Hi.
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:32:14AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > dbus, which is an xorg dependency,
>
> Not in buster:
>
> # apt policy dbus
> dbus:
> Installed: (none)
> Candidate: 1.12.20-0+deb10u1
> Version table:
>
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 13:52:15 -0400
Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:32:14AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > To make a long story short, after two or so weeks of research and
> > numerous failed trials, I came to the conclusion that systemd has
> > become too entrenched in the de
On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 03:41:41PM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
> Reco wrote:
> > > To make a long story short, after two or so weeks of research and
> > > numerous failed trials, I came to the conclusion that systemd has
> > > become too entrenched in the dependency tree of Buster to successfully
> >
Reco wrote:
> > To make a long story short, after two or so weeks of research and
> > numerous failed trials, I came to the conclusion that systemd has
> > become too entrenched in the dependency tree of Buster to successfully
> > convert to systvinit.
>
> But it is possible. Just forget about ru
Hi.
On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:32:14AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> dbus, which is an xorg dependency,
Not in buster:
# apt policy dbus
dbus:
Installed: (none)
Candidate: 1.12.20-0+deb10u1
Version table:
1.12.20-0+deb10u1 500
500 http://ftp.debian.org/debian buster/m
On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:32:14AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> To make a long story short, after two or so weeks of research and
> numerous failed trials, I came to the conclusion that systemd has
> become too entrenched in the dependency tree of Buster to successfully
> convert to systvinit.
I
On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 19:28:34 -0700
Marc Shapiro wrote:
> I have a fresh install of Buster which is running MATE as the Desktop
> Environment. It has taken me until now to get it working, without
> messing up my current Stretch install on the same machine. The next
> thing that I want to do i
On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 19:28:34 -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote:
> I have a fresh install of Buster which is running MATE as the Desktop
> Environment. […] The next thing that I
> want to do is replace systemd with sysvinit.
>
> Now I get a full screen of packages to be removed. Most are librarie
Looking at the Wikipedia entry for Devuan -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devuan - it appears that the folks over there
have had to modify precisely udisks2 and policykit. This is not a Devuan
support list - but it looks as if stock Debian may not allow the switch
once a full system is installed. I
Hi.
On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 07:28:34PM -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote:
> So, my question is: Can I replace systemd with sysvint and still keep MATE?
Exibit 1 (mate-core and systemd-sysv are installed):
# apt install sysvinit-core systemd-
...
The following packages will be REMOVED:
caja db
On Ma, 15 sep 20, 19:28:34, Marc Shapiro wrote:
>
> I ran 'aptitude install sysvinit-core'. This resulted in about 2 dozen
> packages to be removed (some of which, I would have removed anyway) and a
> similar number with unmet dependencies (mostly recommends). I can live with
> that and work aro
On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 07:28:34PM -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote:
> I want sysvinit, not systemd
Should be easy.
> I ran 'aptitude install sysvinit-core'.
> This gives me another screen full of text [...]
> Now I get a full screen of packages to be removed. [...]
I think the basic problem here is
Marc Shapiro wrote:
...
> If it is possible to do what I want, what is the easiest way to
> accomplish it?
i haven't tried that as i'm ok with what i have going but
i'll be interested in what you find out.
can you clone your current partition and then try it out
and if it doesn't work then y
I have a fresh install of Buster which is running MATE as the Desktop
Environment. It has taken me until now to get it working, without
messing up my current Stretch install on the same machine. The next
thing that I want to do is replace systemd with sysvinit. I am not
trying to start a fla
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