On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 8:29 PM Andy Smith wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 06:36:28PM -0400, Lee wrote:
> > My understanding is that ISC no longer supports their dhcp client
> > software so the isc-dhcp-client package will go away someday?
> > correct? & I suspect whatever works today w
On 22/10/2023 22:46, Lee wrote:
but /etc/network/interfaces over-rides /etc/NetworkManager - correct? So
maybe I'm just using dhclient and have no idea if this works for
NetworkManager or not.
NetworkManager may use built-in, dhclient, or dhcpcd, see
NetworkManager.conf(5). It has a plugin fo
On Tue 24 Oct 2023 at 13:21:04 (-0400), Pocket wrote:
> On 10/24/23 12:48, Max Nikulin wrote:
> > On 22/10/2023 23:29, gene heskett wrote:
> > > My whole home net has no dhcp server, host files do it all.
> > >
> > > NM, and avahi, seems to want to assign a default route in the
> > > 169 block if
On 10/24/23 13:21, Pocket wrote:
On 10/24/23 12:48, Max Nikulin wrote:
On 22/10/2023 23:29, gene heskett wrote:
My whole home net has no dhcp server, host files do it all.
NM, and avahi, seems to want to assign a default route in the 169
block if it cannot find a dns server,
[...]
IF I can
Hi Max,
On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 11:48:35PM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote:
> There was a thread several months ago with discussion of link local
> 169.254.x.y addresses.
$ notmuch count 'from:ghesk...@shentel.net (body:"169.254" or body:"avahi")'
110
i.e. in the last 4 years I have 110 emails from Gen
On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 01:21:04PM -0400, Pocket wrote:
>
> >
> > Of course, by default it tries to get configuration from a DHCP server.
> > A connection with a static address may be created even from GUI.
> >
> > There was a thread several months ago with discussion of link local
> > 169.254
On 10/24/23 12:48, Max Nikulin wrote:
On 22/10/2023 23:29, gene heskett wrote:
My whole home net has no dhcp server, host files do it all.
NM, and avahi, seems to want to assign a default route in the 169
block if it cannot find a dns server,
[...]
IF I can prevent NM and avahi from assigni
On 22/10/2023 23:29, gene heskett wrote:
My whole home net has no
dhcp server, host files do it all.
NM, and avahi, seems to want to assign a default route in the 169 block
if it cannot find a dns server,
[...]
IF I can prevent NM and avahi
from assigning a totally bogus 169. route, it just
Hi,
On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 06:36:28PM -0400, Lee wrote:
> My understanding is that ISC no longer supports their dhcp client
> software so the isc-dhcp-client package will go away someday?
> correct? & I suspect whatever works today will break when the new
> software comes out, so I'd rather get
On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 7:13 PM Pocket wrote:
>
> On 10/22/23 18:36, Lee wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 1:18 PM Greg Wooledge wrote:
> >> On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 11:22:06AM -0400, Lee wrote:
> >>> Just out of curiosity, why didn't you use the example from
> >>> https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.c
You can also set the dns server in NetworkManager directly.
``` bash
nmcli connection modify "$connection-name" ipv4.dns "$dns-servers"
```
where $connection-name is the name found in `nmcli connection` under NAME, and
$dns-servers is a comma seperated list of DNS servers you want to use. If you
On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 08:36:53PM -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> What really bugs me is when the maintainers forget there are hosts file
> users, and do something that totally screws us up,
Gene, you're being irrational again. "Hosts file only" systems have been
supported since before Debian exist
On 10/22/23 18:45, John Hasler wrote:
I wrote:
It's for people who haven't a clue as to what a domainname or address
block is.
Gene writes:
If that is an insult, so be it.
I just meant to explain that though it is not a solution to your problem,
it is a solution to a problem some other peop
I want NetworkManager to not over write /etc/resolv.conf
According to the docs if dns=none is set it will not touch /etc/resolv.conf
This should work, and this does work here.
If not, please do file a bug report.
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On 10/22/23 18:36, Lee wrote:
On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 1:18 PM Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 11:22:06AM -0400, Lee wrote:
Just out of curiosity, why didn't you use the example from
https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.conf and do
echo 'make_resolv_conf() { :; }' >
/etc/dhcp/dhclient
I wrote:
> It's for people who haven't a clue as to what a domainname or address
> block is.
Gene writes:
> If that is an insult, so be it.
I just meant to explain that though it is not a solution to your problem,
it is a solution to a problem some other people have.
--
John Hasler
j...@sugarb
On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 1:18 PM Greg Wooledge wrote:
>
> On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 11:22:06AM -0400, Lee wrote:
> > Just out of curiosity, why didn't you use the example from
> > https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.conf and do
> >
> > echo 'make_resolv_conf() { :; }' >
> > /etc/dhcp/dhclient-enter-hooks.
On 10/22/23 14:19, John Hasler wrote:
Gene writes:
Chuckle. Looks like a solution looking for a problem. You can use
whatever domainname that tickles your fancy when your net is in an
un-routeable address block.
It's for people who haven't a clue as to what a domainname or address
block is.
On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 2:33 PM Dan Ritter wrote:
>
> gene heskett wrote:
> > On 10/22/23 11:19, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> > > On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 7:13 AM Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d...@ewoof.net>
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8375
> > >
> > Chuckle. Looks like a s
gene heskett wrote:
>
> So please tell me again what NM is supposed to do for /me/?
Nothing, You do not have a good use case for NM.
NM is for laptops that connect to many different networks,
primarily, and secondarily for corporate networks where many
people will need IT handholding.
In my pe
gene heskett wrote:
> On 10/22/23 11:19, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 7:13 AM Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d...@ewoof.net>
> > wrote:
>
> > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8375
> >
> Chuckle. Looks like a solution looking for a problem. You can use whatever
> domainname t
Gene writes:
> Chuckle. Looks like a solution looking for a problem. You can use
> whatever domainname that tickles your fancy when your net is in an
> un-routeable address block.
It's for people who haven't a clue as to what a domainname or address
block is.
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html
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> On Oct 22, 2023, at 1:35 PM, Andy Smith wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
>> On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 08:22:24AM -0400, Pocket wrote:
>>> On 10/22/23 04:02, Max Nikulin wrote:
>>> P.S. I do not see any reason to insist on NetworkManager in the case of
>>> a box which role is a DNS serv
Sent from my iPad
> On Oct 22, 2023, at 1:18 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>
> On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 11:22:06AM -0400, Lee wrote:
>> Just out of curiosity, why didn't you use the example from
>> https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.conf and do
>>
>> echo 'make_resolv_conf() { :; }' >
>> /etc/dhcp/dh
Because the script does what the Debian installer does and runs without
intervention
Sent from my iPad
> On Oct 22, 2023, at 12:41 PM, Max Nikulin wrote:
>
> On 22/10/2023 19:22, Pocket wrote:
>> What version of NetworkManager is installed with bullseye?
>> Maybe a newer version is broken?
>
Sent from my iPad
> On Oct 22, 2023, at 12:12 PM, Tixy wrote:
>
> On Sat, 2023-10-21 at 17:13 -0400, Pocket wrote:
>> I am just using what was installed by my scripted debian installation
>
> A day ago when people pointed out that Network Manager only gets
> installed if you select desktop
Sent from my iPad
> On Oct 22, 2023, at 11:25 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>
> On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 11:22:06AM -0400, Lee wrote:
>>> On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 4:24 PM Pocket wrote:
>>>
>>> Ding ding ding we have a winner
>>
>> Just out of curiosity, why didn't you use the example from
>
Hello,
On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 08:22:24AM -0400, Pocket wrote:
> On 10/22/23 04:02, Max Nikulin wrote:
> > P.S. I do not see any reason to insist on NetworkManager in the case of
> > a box which role is a DNS server for a local network. ifupdown should be
> > sufficient. There is no need to detect
On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 11:22:06AM -0400, Lee wrote:
> Just out of curiosity, why didn't you use the example from
> https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.conf and do
>
> echo 'make_resolv_conf() { :; }' >
> /etc/dhcp/dhclient-enter-hooks.d/leave_my_resolv_conf_alone
> chmod 755 /etc/dhcp/dhclient-enter-h
On 10/22/23 11:19, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 7:13 AM Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d...@ewoof.net> wrote:
It's fairly recent (RFC 8375, May 2018) but this type of usage is
pretty much exactly what home.arpa is meant for.
https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8375
Chuckle. Looks
On 22/10/2023 19:22, Pocket wrote:
What version of NetworkManager is installed with bullseye?
Maybe a newer version is broken?
I upgraded this VM to bookworm months ago.
apt policy network-manager
network-manager:
Installed: 1.42.4-1
Candidate: 1.42.4-1
Version table:
*** 1.42.4-1 500
On 10/22/23 11:02, Henning Follmann wrote:
On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 01:24:21PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 01:08:58PM -0400, Pocket wrote:
On 10/21/23 12:49, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 12:23:45PM -0400, Pocket wrote:
I want NetworkManager to not over
On Sat, 2023-10-21 at 17:13 -0400, Pocket wrote:
> I am just using what was installed by my scripted debian installation
A day ago when people pointed out that Network Manager only gets
installed if you select desktop install configuration, you denied that
was true by saying "Well the default inst
On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 11:25 AM wrote:
>
> On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 11:22:06AM -0400, Lee wrote:
> > On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 4:24 PM Pocket wrote:
> > >
> > > Ding ding ding we have a winner
> >
> > Just out of curiosity, why didn't you use the example from
> > https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.c
On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 11:22:06AM -0400, Lee wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 4:24 PM Pocket wrote:
> >
> > Ding ding ding we have a winner
>
> Just out of curiosity, why didn't you use the example from
> https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.conf and do
>
> echo 'make_resolv_conf() { :; }' >
> /et
On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 4:24 PM Pocket wrote:
>
> Ding ding ding we have a winner
Just out of curiosity, why didn't you use the example from
https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.conf and do
echo 'make_resolv_conf() { :; }' >
/etc/dhcp/dhclient-enter-hooks.d/leave_my_resolv_conf_alone
chmod 755 /etc
On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 7:13 AM Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d...@ewoof.net> wrote:
>
> On 21 Oct 2023 17:13 -0400, from poc...@columbus.rr.com (Pocket):
> > Why would I register a domain name for an internal network?
> > Any name will do. You could make the same argument if you just
> > makeup a dom
On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 01:24:21PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 01:08:58PM -0400, Pocket wrote:
> >
> > On 10/21/23 12:49, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > > On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 12:23:45PM -0400, Pocket wrote:
> > > > I want NetworkManager to not over write /etc/resolv.conf
>
Pocket wrote:
>
> On 10/22/23 08:32, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > Pocket wrote:
> > > I am just using what was installed by my scripted debian installation
> > Who provided the script?
You skipped the most important question.
-dsr-
On 22 Oct 2023 08:22 -0400, from poc...@columbus.rr.com (Pocket):
> What version of NetworkManager is installed with bullseye?
https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/network-manager
https://tracker.debian.org/network-manager
--
Michael Kjörling 🔗 https://michael.kjorling.se
“R
On 22 Oct 2023 08:42 -0400, from poc...@columbus.rr.com (Pocket):
> I get that, I have used example.org for more than 20 years and at the time I
> began using it things were different.
It has been reserved for its current purpose at least since June 1999
(that's the publication date of RFC 2606),
Pocket wrote:
>The Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) also currently has the
>following second level domain names reserved which can be used as
>examples.
>
> example.com
> example.net
> example.org
>
> Which I take it that you can use them for any pur
On 10/22/23 08:36, mick.crane wrote:
On 2023-10-22 13:22, Pocket wrote:
I would normally not use NetworkManager on a server system either, but
in this case NetworkManager is installed on all the bookworm
installation so in this case I choose to work with it instead of
removing it.
It maybe
On 10/22/23 08:32, Dan Ritter wrote:
Pocket wrote:
The Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) also currently has the
following second level domain names reserved which can be used as
examples.
example.com
example.net
example.org
Which I take it that
On 10/22/23 01:24, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 03:29:40PM -0400, Pocket wrote:
On 10/21/23 15:02, Stefan Monnier wrote:
I agree about that on most machines, but the machine in question has bind
running so nameserver needs to be set to 127.0.0.1 and the domain to
example.or
On 2023-10-22 13:22, Pocket wrote:
I would normally not use NetworkManager on a server system either, but
in this case NetworkManager is installed on all the bookworm
installation so in this case I choose to work with it instead of
removing it.
It maybe comes with the desktop thing.
With Bookw
On 10/22/23 07:13, Michael Kjörling wrote:
On 21 Oct 2023 17:13 -0400, from poc...@columbus.rr.com (Pocket):
Why would I register a domain name for an internal network?
Any name will do. You could make the same argument if you just
makeup a domain to use as it could already be registered or s
On 10/22/23 04:02, Max Nikulin wrote:
On 22/10/2023 00:24, Greg Wooledge wrote:
If you're asking us to tell you how to *make NetWorkManager behave*
then you might be frustrated. Most of the people on this mailing list
don't use it. There are some who actively despise it, and go out of
their
On 21 Oct 2023 17:13 -0400, from poc...@columbus.rr.com (Pocket):
> Why would I register a domain name for an internal network?
> Any name will do. You could make the same argument if you just
> makeup a domain to use as it could already be registered or someone
> my register it in the future.
> T
On 22/10/2023 00:24, Greg Wooledge wrote:
If you're asking us to tell you how to *make NetWorkManager behave* then
you might be frustrated. Most of the people on this mailing list don't
use it. There are some who actively despise it, and go out of their way
to ensure it's never installed.
I j
On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 03:29:40PM -0400, Pocket wrote:
>
> On 10/21/23 15:02, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > > I agree about that on most machines, but the machine in question has bind
> > > running so nameserver needs to be set to 127.0.0.1 and the domain to
> > > example.org in the resolv.conf file.
On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 01:08:58PM -0400, Pocket wrote:
>
> On 10/21/23 12:49, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 12:23:45PM -0400, Pocket wrote:
> > > I want NetworkManager to not over write /etc/resolv.conf
> > https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.conf
> >
> openresolv or resolvconf is
On 10/21/23 17:26, Michael Biebl wrote:
Is /etc/resolv.conf a real file or a symlink?
If the latter, where does it point to?
Michael
Not a symlink
--
It's not easy to be me
> the DHCP server is on a router
> Running DNS service on a machine is done by many
FWIW, I run `dnsmasq` as local DNS server on many of my machines, and
this is already automatically setup to "DTRT" somehow (the DNS
info obtained via DHCP are provided to `dnsmasq` and `/etc/resolv.conf`
only poin
Is /etc/resolv.conf a real file or a symlink?
If the latter, where does it point to?
Michael
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On 10/21/23 16:52, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 02:46:25PM -0600, Charles Curley wrote:
Also, you should not be using example.org. That is a reserved domain
name. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Example.com
I just assumed this was a lie. An obfuscation of the actual domain name
On 10/21/23 16:46, Charles Curley wrote:
On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 14:40:49 -0400
Pocket wrote:
but the machine in question has
bind running so nameserver needs to be set to 127.0.0.1 and the
domain to example.org in the resolv.conf file.
This is my problem in a nutshell
Oh, why didn't you say tha
On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 02:46:25PM -0600, Charles Curley wrote:
> Also, you should not be using example.org. That is a reserved domain
> name. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Example.com
I just assumed this was a lie. An obfuscation of the actual domain name.
On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 14:40:49 -0400
Pocket wrote:
> but the machine in question has
> bind running so nameserver needs to be set to 127.0.0.1 and the
> domain to example.org in the resolv.conf file.
>
> This is my problem in a nutshell
Oh, why didn't you say that! Actually, it doesn't have to u
On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 04:23:26PM -0400, Pocket wrote:
> Ding ding ding we have a winner
>
Hi Pocket
Glad you have a winner :)
For anyone else following along: a datum point.
I've just done a minimal text installation of Debian in a virtual machine.
No desktop environment installed: all o
Ding ding ding we have a winner
cat /etc/resolv.conf
# Generated by NetworkManager
search example.org
nameserver 127.0.0.1
nameserver ::1
options edns0 trust-ad
This make this work
sudo cat /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
[main]
plugins=ifupdown,keyfile
[ifupdown]
managed=false
[d
On 10/21/23 15:41, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 03:29:40PM -0400, Pocket wrote:
I don't get you context here as the problem is simply trying to get
networkmanager to quit writing /etc/resolv.conf.
The context -- what has certain people confused -- is that most people who
do wh
On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 03:29:40PM -0400, Pocket wrote:
> I don't get you context here as the problem is simply trying to get
> networkmanager to quit writing /etc/resolv.conf.
The context -- what has certain people confused -- is that most people who
do what you're doing run the DNS and DHCP serv
On 10/21/23 15:02, Stefan Monnier wrote:
I agree about that on most machines, but the machine in question has bind
running so nameserver needs to be set to 127.0.0.1 and the domain to
example.org in the resolv.conf file.
Beware: at this rate, you may end up giving us enough info about what
you
On 10/21/23 14:53, Christoph Brinkhaus wrote:
Am Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 02:40:49PM -0400 schrieb Pocket:
On 10/21/23 14:32, Stefan Monnier wrote:
I want NetworkManager to not over write /etc/resolv.conf
[...]
My setup is that I was a dhcp server to give out IPs and DNS info.
That way I can co
> I agree about that on most machines, but the machine in question has bind
> running so nameserver needs to be set to 127.0.0.1 and the domain to
> example.org in the resolv.conf file.
Beware: at this rate, you may end up giving us enough info about what
you're doing for us to actually help you.
Am Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 02:40:49PM -0400 schrieb Pocket:
>
> On 10/21/23 14:32, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > > > > I want NetworkManager to not over write /etc/resolv.conf
> > [...]
> > > My setup is that I was a dhcp server to give out IPs and DNS info.
> > > That way I can control those things with
On 10/21/23 14:36, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 02:10:23PM -0400, Pocket wrote:
On 10/21/23 13:58, Felix Miata wrote:
If you're not personally committed to NetworkMangler and only need static
networking, then remove it and ifupdown. Systemd provides simple static IP
network se
On 10/21/23 14:32, Stefan Monnier wrote:
I want NetworkManager to not over write /etc/resolv.conf
[...]
My setup is that I was a dhcp server to give out IPs and DNS info.
That way I can control those things without having to do so on every system.
Populating `/etc/resolv.conf` from the DHCP-
On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 02:10:23PM -0400, Pocket wrote:
> On 10/21/23 13:58, Felix Miata wrote:
> > If you're not personally committed to NetworkMangler and only need static
> > networking, then remove it and ifupdown. Systemd provides simple static IP
> > network setup:
Or... remove Network Manag
>>> I want NetworkManager to not over write /etc/resolv.conf
[...]
> My setup is that I was a dhcp server to give out IPs and DNS info.
> That way I can control those things without having to do so on every system.
Populating `/etc/resolv.conf` from the DHCP-provided info is a useful
part of "cont
On 10/21/23 13:58, Felix Miata wrote:
Pocket composed on 2023-10-21 12:23 (UTC-0400):
I want NetworkManager to not over write /etc/resolv.conf
...
Is there something I am over looking?
If you're not personally committed to NetworkMangler and only need static
networking, then remove it a
On 10/21/23 13:55, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 01:38:37PM -0400, Pocket wrote:
Well the default install for bookworm does install it and use it.
That is why I am here.
There's no single "default install". Sure, if you just hit the Enter
key straight through an install you e
Pocket composed on 2023-10-21 12:23 (UTC-0400):
> I want NetworkManager to not over write /etc/resolv.conf
...
> Is there something I am over looking?
If you're not personally committed to NetworkMangler and only need static
networking, then remove it and ifupdown. Systemd provides simple stati
On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 01:38:37PM -0400, Pocket wrote:
> Well the default install for bookworm does install it and use it.
>
> That is why I am here.
There's no single "default install". Sure, if you just hit the Enter
key straight through an install you end up with GNOME, and also with NM.
But
On 10/21/23 13:24, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 01:08:58PM -0400, Pocket wrote:
On 10/21/23 12:49, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 12:23:45PM -0400, Pocket wrote:
I want NetworkManager to not over write /etc/resolv.conf
https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.conf
open
On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 01:08:58PM -0400, Pocket wrote:
>
> On 10/21/23 12:49, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 12:23:45PM -0400, Pocket wrote:
> > > I want NetworkManager to not over write /etc/resolv.conf
> > https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.conf
> >
> openresolv or resolvconf is
On 10/21/23 12:49, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 12:23:45PM -0400, Pocket wrote:
I want NetworkManager to not over write /etc/resolv.conf
https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.conf
openresolv or resolvconf is not installed
no dhcp client is running only networkmanager is installed/
On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 12:23:45PM -0400, Pocket wrote:
> I want NetworkManager to not over write /etc/resolv.conf
https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.conf
I want NetworkManager to not over write /etc/resolv.conf
According to the docs if dns=none is set it will not touch /etc/resolv.conf
This is what I need /etc/resolv.conf to be (I have bind on the machine)
domain example.org
nameserver 127.0.0.1
options edns0 trust-ad
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