Sorry to revive this after a while of no response, but I've only
just now found time *to* respond.
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Amy writes:
> > By "decoders" I mean things like antiword that remove all the
> > nasty binary blobs and leave the ASCII text.
> Format converters.
Sure.
>
On Sat, May 12, 2007 at 08:53:49PM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> Amy writes:
> > By "decoders" I mean things like antiword that remove all the nasty
> > binary blobs and leave the ASCII text.
>
> Format converters.
>
> > Does the new version of M$-Word include some sort of code for embedding
> > mo
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 11:50:54AM -0400, Amy Templeton wrote:
> Yeah, I definitely do mention things about version control,
> privacy, etc., more than the virtue of free software (because
> strong as the latter argument is, it doesn't hold up unless people
> care). Basically my argument is always
On Sat, May 12, 2007 at 09:00:46PM -0400, Amy Templeton wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew M.A. Cater) wrote:
> > There is a serious point [about proprietary formats] to be made
> > to your college. Archiving, readability, public record. I've only
> > been dealing with computers for about 22 years:
On 2007-05-13, Amy Templeton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> (fortunately,
> I can jump the mouse around using keybindings in stumpwm (providing
> I'm not ripping a backup of some of my music off of a CD or doing
> some other resource-intensive task), but unfortunately can't make
> it click from the k
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On Sat, May 12, 2007 at 09:00:46PM -0400, Amy Templeton wrote:
>
> > I'd have her hide for using .docs anyway - if the documents
> > aren't all readable text-only (with a screen reader for the
> > blind/visually impaired or any other appropriate techn
Amy writes:
> By "decoders" I mean things like antiword that remove all the nasty
> binary blobs and leave the ASCII text.
Format converters.
> Does the new version of M$-Word include some sort of code for embedding
> movies now?
Probably, but that's irrelevant.
> On what level is that even nec
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew M.A. Cater) wrote:
> There is a serious point [about proprietary formats] to be made
> to your college. Archiving, readability, public record. I've only
> been dealing with computers for about 22 years: I've used what
> were then leading word processors - Wordstar 2000, Wo
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 05/11/07 10:33, Amy Templeton wrote:
> > John Hassler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Amy Templeton wrote:
> > Well, sweet! So the impression I'm getting is that reverse
> > engineering is basically protected by law?
> I wrote:
> > When done for interoperab
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 05/11/07 10:33, Amy Templeton wrote:
> [ka-SNIP!]
> > On a positive note, I recently did actually get through to
> > someone (next year she plans not to use any .docs on her little
> > area on the school website)!
> Great. What techniques did you use to
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:33:45AM -0400, Amy Templeton wrote:
>
> Oh well. Well, in that case, I stand by my original position: I do
> not want to get used to depending on decoders if I can't have some
> degree of assurance they'll be available later.
>
[For one meaning of decode]
The US gover
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On 05/11/07 19:17, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
[snip]
> I am a citizen of the country. I have right to employment for which I am
> qualified. Disabilities must be accomodated by the employer. If you
That's the big difference between Canada and the US
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 09:04:44PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
>
[massive snippage]
>
OK. We'll just agree to disagree. I won't completely rehash my views
(I've expressed them plenty already). Suffice to say that I think that
is *completely* wrong for a government to be involved in prov
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 08:34:18PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 08:17:04PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> >
> > I am a citizen of the country. I have right to employment for which I am
> > qualified. Disabilities must be accomodated by the employer. If you
>
>
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 08:17:04PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
>
> I am a citizen of the country. I have right to employment for which I am
> qualified. Disabilities must be accomodated by the employer. If you
Do you also have a right to be provided healthcare? What about
education? Wha
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 07:57:29PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 07:42:00PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 07:10:28PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> >
> > > Seriously, if a business is not accessible to someone, that person is
> > >
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 07:42:00PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 07:10:28PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
>
> > Seriously, if a business is not accessible to someone, that person is
> > free to patronize a business that is willing to cater.
>
> But what if none d
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 07:10:28PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 05:26:29PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On 05/11/07 11:08, Amy Templeton wrote:
> Seriously, if a business is not accessible to someone, that person is
> free to patronize a business that is willing to
On 05/11/07 10:33, Amy Templeton wrote:
> John Hassler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Amy Templeton wrote:
> Well, sweet! So the impression I'm getting is that reverse
> engineering is basically protected by law?
I wrote:
> When done for interoperability.
> So that means that I could use decoder prog
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 05:26:29PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 05/11/07 11:08, Amy Templeton wrote:
>
> > access to certain forms of expression. Similarly, white people are
> > well-established as "in charge" in, say, the corporate world.
> > Although thanks to affirmative action there are now
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On 05/11/07 10:33, Amy Templeton wrote:
> John Hassler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Amy Templeton wrote:
>>> Well, sweet! So the impression I'm getting is that reverse
>>> engineering is basically protected by law?
>
>> When done for interoperability
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On 05/11/07 11:08, Amy Templeton wrote:
> Calejar wrote:
>>> Ron Johnson wrote:
There are those of us who believe that claims of
discrimination became trite many years ago.
>> Amy Templeton wrote:
>>> I'm inclined to disagree; it is more subt
On Wed, 09 May 2007 18:10:31 -0500
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On 05/09/07 10:40, Amy Templeton wrote:
> > Ron Johnson wrote:
> >> On 05/08/07 23:17, Amy Templeton wrote:
> >>> Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On Tue
On Fri, 11 May 2007 12:08:08 -0400
Amy Templeton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Calejar wrote:
> > > Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > > There are those of us who believe that claims of
> > > > discrimination became trite many years ago.
> > >
> > Amy Templeton wrote:
> > > I'm inclined to disagree; it is m
On 05/10/2007 09:07 AM, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> Amy Templeton wrote:
> [large snip]
[large snip]
>> So even if I were willing to go through the rigamarole of layer
>> after layer of menus and mouse clicks to get to what I want to
>> read, it's only a band-aid, and one that could fall off any
Calejar wrote:
> > Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > There are those of us who believe that claims of
> > > discrimination became trite many years ago.
> >
> Amy Templeton wrote:
> > I'm inclined to disagree; it is more subtle now, but it still
> > exists. Do some reading on the concepts of privilege and
>
John Hassler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Amy Templeton wrote:
> > Well, sweet! So the impression I'm getting is that reverse
> > engineering is basically protected by law?
> When done for interoperability.
> > So that means that I could use decoder programs without fearing
> > that they may beco
On Wed, 09 May 2007 11:40:17 -0400
Amy Templeton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On 05/08/07 23:17, Amy Templeton wrote:
> > > Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 10:03:18PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > >>> On 05/08/07 21:55, Amy Templeton
> Well, sweet! So the impression I'm getting is that reverse
> engineering is basically protected by law?
When done for interoperability.
> So that means that I could use decoder programs without fearing that they
> may become illegal?
No.
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mmiller3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "Amy" == Amy Templeton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > mmiller3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> You might consider printing them with openoffice and then
> >> asking them to explain the hardcopy to you. This works
> >> especially well i
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> TITLE 17 CHAPTER 12 § 1201
> § 1201. Circumvention of copyright protection systems
> (f) Reverse Engineering.
> (1) Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (a)(1)(A), a person who
> has lawfully obtained the right to use a copy of a computer pro
Johannes Wiedersich writes:
> So the reverse engineering of that code legally would have to be done in,
> say Germany. Any reverse engineering and decompiling required to allow
> interoperability with other computer programs is perfectly legal...
I wrote:
> This is true in the US as well.
Ron Jo
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On 05/10/07 09:43, John Hasler wrote:
> Johannes Wiedersich writes:
>> So the reverse engineering of that code legally would have to be done in,
>> say Germany. Any reverse engineering and decompiling required to allow
>> interoperability with other co
> "Amy" == Amy Templeton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> mmiller3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> You might consider printing them with openoffice and then
>> asking them to explain the hardcopy to you. This works
>> especially well if there are included figures. Works if
>>
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John Hasler wrote:
> Johannes Wiedersich writes:
>> So the reverse engineering of that code legally would have to be done in,
>> say Germany. Any reverse engineering and decompiling required to allow
>> interoperability with other computer programs is
On Tuesday 08 May 2007 14:49, Amy Templeton wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> Can anybody recommend a *really, really convincing* source of
> information I can give people/my college that will aid in deterring
> them from trying to force people to use MS-Office files (by sending
> them via email and posting th
Johannes Wiedersich writes:
> So the reverse engineering of that code legally would have to be done in,
> say Germany. Any reverse engineering and decompiling required to allow
> interoperability with other computer programs is perfectly legal...
This is true in the US as well.
--
John Hasler
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Amy Templeton wrote:
[large snip]
> Also, OpenOffice, nice as it might be for people who are into
> pointing and clicking at things, is not a long-term solution. What
> if MS changes their format yet again? Another possibility is that
> they might cha
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 06:10:31PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>
> Similarly, the Duke Non-Rape Case *will* severely harm real rape
> victims, by lowering a serious cloud of doubt/mistrust above them.
>
It will also greatly help wrongfully accused defendants.
Regards,
-Roberto
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On 05/09/07 10:40, Amy Templeton wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
>> On 05/08/07 23:17, Amy Templeton wrote:
>>> Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 10:03:18PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 05/08/07 21:55, Amy Templet
mmiller3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "Amy" == Amy Templeton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Hey all, Can anybody recommend a *really, really
> > convincing* source of information I can give people/my
> > college that will aid in deterring them from trying to
> > force people
> "Amy" == Amy Templeton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hey all, Can anybody recommend a *really, really
> convincing* source of information I can give people/my
> college that will aid in deterring them from trying to
> force people to use MS-Office files (by sending them via
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 12:14:08AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 05/08/07 23:29, Amy Templeton wrote:
> > Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> [snip]
> >
> >> maybe you should educate them a little bit? A fem in the LUG
> >> would have serious impact. I'm sure you could sway policy any ol'
> >> way you
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 09:44:13AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 12:29:39AM -0400, Amy Templeton wrote:
>
> > > maybe you should educate them a little bit? A fem in the LUG
> > > would have serious impact. I'm sure you could sway policy any ol'
> > > way you wanted...
> >
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 11:40:17AM -0400, Amy Templeton wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
> > There are those of us who believe that claims of discrimination
> > became trite many years ago.
>
> I'm inclined to disagree; it is more subtle now, but it still
> exists. Do some reading on the concepts of pr
> > Douglas Allan Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Perhaps they can provide an easy pointy-clicky-gimmik that
> > > transforms their doc files to something useful. It may be as
> > > simple as adding a button to a tool bar, right beside the "save
> > > as doc file", a "save as something usefu
Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 05/08/07 23:17, Amy Templeton wrote:
> > Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 10:03:18PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> >>> On 05/08/07 21:55, Amy Templeton wrote:
> >>> [snip]
> It's a private college, and have no desire to make this
> >>
Just as an aside I would suggest maybe next time to use the security
angle. Instead of getting blue in the face about the virtues of not
using .doc, explain how metadata is bad, and how your personal secrets
can be revealed.
http://www.lawpro.ca/LawPRO/metadata.pdf
Then I would mention what st
On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 10:55:25PM -0400, Amy Templeton wrote:
> > > Douglas Allan Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 03:49:54PM -0400, Amy Templeton wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Can anybody recommend a *really, really convincing* source of
> > > > > information I can g
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 12:29:39AM -0400, Amy Templeton wrote:
> > maybe you should educate them a little bit? A fem in the LUG
> > would have serious impact. I'm sure you could sway policy any ol'
> > way you wanted...
>
> Haha...flattering as that is, I doubt they'd be that easily swayed.
> Als
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On 05/08/07 23:29, Amy Templeton wrote:
> Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
[snip]
>
>> maybe you should educate them a little bit? A fem in the LUG
>> would have serious impact. I'm sure you could sway policy any ol'
>> way you wanted...
>
> Haha...flatt
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On 05/08/07 23:17, Amy Templeton wrote:
> Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 10:03:18PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>>> On 05/08/07 21:55, Amy Templeton wrote:
>>> [snip]
It's a private college, and have no desire t
Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > > Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > You *could* refuse to deal with people that send you documents
> > > > that you cannot read, but reality says you must at least on
> > > > occasion do so.
> >
> Amy Templeton wrote:
> > Yeah, unfortunately most of the c
Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 10:03:18PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On 05/08/07 21:55, Amy Templeton wrote:
> > [snip]
> > > It's a private college, and have no desire to make this
> > > anywhere near that insane, but thank you nonetheless. I'm
> > > basical
On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 10:55:25PM -0400, Amy Templeton wrote:
> GNU/Linux group on campus (I haven't contacted them at all, but the
> impression I get from their website is that they're more into
> prettifying things with Compiz and such
maybe you should educate them a little bit? A fem in the
On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 10:03:18PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 05/08/07 21:55, Amy Templeton wrote:
> [snip]
> > It's a private college, and have no desire to make this anywhere
> > near that insane, but thank you nonetheless. I'm basically
> > wishfully hoping for a quiet solution.
>
> If it's
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On 05/08/07 21:55, Amy Templeton wrote:
[snip]
> It's a private college, and have no desire to make this anywhere
> near that insane, but thank you nonetheless. I'm basically
> wishfully hoping for a quiet solution.
If it's liberal, and it probably is
> > Douglas Allan Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 03:49:54PM -0400, Amy Templeton wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Can anybody recommend a *really, really convincing* source of
> > > > information I can give people/my college that will aid in deterring
> > > > them from trying
On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 03:49:54PM -0400, Amy Templeton wrote:
>
> Can anybody recommend a *really, really convincing* source of
> information I can give people/my college that will aid in deterring
> them from trying to force people to use MS-Office files (by sending
> them via email and posting
On Tue, May 08, 2007 15:49:54 PM -0400, Amy Templeton
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> Can anybody recommend a *really, really convincing* source of
> information I can give people/my college that will aid in deterring
> them from trying to force people to use MS-Office files (by sendin
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Amy Templeton wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> Can anybody recommend a *really, really convincing* source of
> information I can give people/my college that will aid in deterring
> them from trying to force people to use MS-Office files (by sending
> them via em
Hey all,
Can anybody recommend a *really, really convincing* source of
information I can give people/my college that will aid in deterring
them from trying to force people to use MS-Office files (by sending
them via email and posting them on official college sites)? The
ones I've been using
(http:
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