Re: A market perspective on the impact of dunc-tanc

2006-12-28 Thread Jon Dowland
On Thu, Dec 14, 2006 at 07:17:47PM -0600, Default User wrote: > IMHO, the idea of paying privileged, pet, mercenary > developers, while others work for free, was a VERY BAD > IDEA! And it FAILED MISERABLY: (12-4-06 release? It's now > 12-15-06 UT; still no release in sight). Less than a month ove

Re: A market perspective on the impact of dunc-tanc

2006-12-26 Thread s. keeling
Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Default User wrote: > > IMHO, the idea of paying privileged, pet, mercenary developers, while > > others work for free, was a VERY BAD IDEA! > > Well, that's your perogative. However, who said they were > privledged or pets or mercenaries? With all respec

Re: A market perspective on the impact of dunc-tanc

2006-12-26 Thread Steve Lamb
Default User wrote: > IMHO, the idea of paying privileged, pet, mercenary developers, while > others work for free, was a VERY BAD IDEA! Well, that's your perogative. However, who said they were privledged or pets or mercenaries? > And it FAILED MISERABLY: (12-4-06 release? It's now 12-15-06

Re: A market perspective on the impact of dunc-tanc

2006-12-23 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hi Miles, Am 2006-12-15 10:59:21, schrieb Miles Bader: > Default User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > How would YOU feel working hard for $0/mo while someone else gets paid > > (perhaps) $6,000/mo for working on the same project? > > Just fine thank you. > > When I do work as a free software vol

Re: A market perspective on the impact of dunc-tanc

2006-12-23 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-12-14 19:17:47, schrieb Default User: > IMHO, the idea of paying privileged, pet, mercenary developers, while > others > work for free, was a VERY BAD IDEA! And it FAILED MISERABLY: (12-4-06 > release? It's now 12-15-06 UT; still no release in sight). How would > YOU feel working hard for

Re: A market perspective on the impact of dunc-tanc

2006-12-15 Thread Tim Post
On Fri, 2006-12-15 at 08:51 +0100, Sven Arvidsson wrote: > On Thu, 2006-12-14 at 21:03 -0500, Kevin Mark wrote: > > IIRC someone related to the debian project 'holds' the debian.net domain > > and it is used as a sort of 'staging' site before it joins debian.org. > > The wiki at wiki.debian.org was

Re: A market perspective on the impact of dunc-tanc

2006-12-14 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Thu, 2006-12-14 at 21:03 -0500, Kevin Mark wrote: > IIRC someone related to the debian project 'holds' the debian.net domain > and it is used as a sort of 'staging' site before it joins debian.org. > The wiki at wiki.debian.org was on wiki.debian.net first. So since this > is a new project, the

Re: A market perspective on the impact of dunc-tanc

2006-12-14 Thread Miles Bader
Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I think my statement was meant to say that most contributions to > Debian are by people who are not getting paid. Would that be closer to > a fact? Of course. But what of it? The real question is whether it matters or not. As I mentioned in another post,

Re: A market perspective on the impact of dunc-tanc

2006-12-14 Thread Kevin Mark
On Fri, Dec 15, 2006 at 10:41:40AM +0900, Miles Bader wrote: > Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Traditionally no one is paid to do Free software work. > > This of course, is simply (and obviously) not true. > Hi Miles, I guess I agree that this statement is false. There are more than a

Re: A market perspective on the impact of dunc-tanc

2006-12-14 Thread Kevin Mark
On Fri, Dec 15, 2006 at 02:30:12AM +0100, Sven Arvidsson wrote: > On Thu, 2006-12-14 at 19:35 -0500, Kevin Mark wrote: > > Have you seen this?[0] > > > debian-desktop project has made for etch, etc. The design itself looks > > > like something stuck way back in 1998. The newly created debian sites

Re: A market perspective on the impact of dunc-tanc

2006-12-14 Thread Miles Bader
Default User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > How would YOU feel working hard for $0/mo while someone else gets paid > (perhaps) $6,000/mo for working on the same project? Just fine thank you. When I do work as a free software volunteer, I do it because I enjoy it. I typically enjoy it no less if so

Re: A market perspective on the impact of dunc-tanc

2006-12-14 Thread Douglas Tutty
On Fri, Dec 15, 2006 at 02:30:12AM +0100, Sven Arvidsson wrote: > On Thu, 2006-12-14 at 19:35 -0500, Kevin Mark wrote: > > Have you seen this?[0] > > > debian-desktop project has made for etch, etc. The design itself looks > > > like something stuck way back in 1998. The newly created debian sites

Re: A market perspective on the impact of dunc-tanc

2006-12-14 Thread Miles Bader
Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Traditionally no one is paid to do Free software work. This of course, is simply (and obviously) not true. -Miles -- Run away! Run away! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: A market perspective on the impact of dunc-tanc

2006-12-14 Thread Miles Bader
Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Traditionally no one is paid to do Free software work. This of course, is simply (and obviously) not true. -Miles -- Run away! Run away! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: A market perspective on the impact of dunc-tanc

2006-12-14 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Thu, 2006-12-14 at 19:35 -0500, Kevin Mark wrote: > Have you seen this?[0] > > debian-desktop project has made for etch, etc. The design itself looks > > like something stuck way back in 1998. The newly created debian sites > > for debconf[1] by comparison looks modern and fresh. > Cheers, > Ke

Re: A market perspective on the impact of dunc-tanc

2006-12-14 Thread Default User
IMHO, the idea of paying privileged, pet, mercenary developers, while others work for free, was a VERY BAD IDEA! And it FAILED MISERABLY: (12-4-06 release? It's now 12-15-06 UT; still no release in sight). How would YOU feel working hard for $0/mo while someone else gets paid (perhaps) $6,000/mo

Re: A market perspective on the impact of dunc-tanc

2006-12-14 Thread Kevin Mark
On Thu, Dec 14, 2006 at 11:59:14PM +0100, Sven Arvidsson wrote: > I agree with a lot of what you said, and really miss DWN myself. > > For people already interested in, and involved with Debian, reading > mailing lists, the wiki, and the blogs on planet was probably a better > way to keep up. Howe

Re: A market perspective on the impact of dunc-tanc

2006-12-14 Thread John Hasler
D G Teed wrote: > I understand the political tug of war the DWN editor is involved in, but > in the end, holding a gun to the head of what you like isn't helping > anything. The missing DWN is one missing piece of "product" continuity, > and reading the "why" just makes things worse. The editor o

Re: A market perspective on the impact of dunc-tanc

2006-12-14 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Thu, Dec 14, 2006 at 04:27:09PM -0400, D G Teed wrote: > Howdy, > > I'm a sysadmin of the Unix half of a small University > main server room. Recently we have been trying to > decide on a replacement for FreeBSD for 14 servers. > > I favor Debian, however I can't make that decision on > my ow

Re: A market perspective on the impact of dunc-tanc

2006-12-14 Thread Sven Arvidsson
I agree with a lot of what you said, and really miss DWN myself. For people already interested in, and involved with Debian, reading mailing lists, the wiki, and the blogs on planet was probably a better way to keep up. However, DWN was important as it was an easy to find, and easy to read summary

Re: A market perspective on the impact of dunc-tanc

2006-12-14 Thread Kevin Mark
On Thu, Dec 14, 2006 at 03:50:14PM -0500, Douglas Tutty wrote: > On Thu, Dec 14, 2006 at 04:27:09PM -0400, D G Teed wrote: > > Howdy, > > > > I'm a sysadmin of the Unix half of a small University > > main server room. Recently we have been trying to > > decide on a replacement for FreeBSD for 14

Re: A market perspective on the impact of dunc-tanc

2006-12-14 Thread Douglas Tutty
On Thu, Dec 14, 2006 at 04:27:09PM -0400, D G Teed wrote: > Howdy, > > I'm a sysadmin of the Unix half of a small University > main server room. Recently we have been trying to > decide on a replacement for FreeBSD for 14 servers. > > I favor Debian, however I can't make that decision on > my ow

A market perspective on the impact of dunc-tanc

2006-12-14 Thread D G Teed
Howdy, I'm a sysadmin of the Unix half of a small University main server room. Recently we have been trying to decide on a replacement for FreeBSD for 14 servers. I favor Debian, however I can't make that decision on my own. I found it was a challenge to convince others in the decision making