hi ya john
On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, John Hasler wrote:
> Alvin writes:
> > B should get sued/dumped into legal bills to bail out of for "receipt of
> > stolen property"
>
> Copyright infringement is not theft. Possession of an unauthorized copy is
> not copyright infringement. B could be sued for
Alvin writes:
> B should get sued/dumped into legal bills to bail out of for "receipt of
> stolen property"
Copyright infringement is not theft. Possession of an unauthorized copy is
not copyright infringement. B could be sued for contributory infringement
only if he knew that the copy he purcha
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, csj wrote:
> On 1. February 2004 at 7:53PM -0600,
> John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Brett Carrington wrote:
>
> > > If the GPL doesn't grant usage rights, how can a user be sure
> > > they are entitled to this?
> >
> > Copyright law does not limit usage. There
csj writes:
> Does this mean that if A gives B an "illegal" copy of Windows, only A
> gets sued?
If B received it innocently, yes. In practice, though, Microsoft could
probably argue successfully that B knew the copy was unauthorized and so
was a contributory infringer (essentially, that B conspi
On 1. February 2004 at 7:53PM -0600,
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Brett Carrington wrote:
> > If the GPL doesn't grant usage rights, how can a user be sure
> > they are entitled to this?
>
> Copyright law does not limit usage. Therefor the user has such
> rights by default.
Does th
On Sun, 1 Feb 2004 00:25:25 -0800 (PST),
Ivan Torres Jimenez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Mr. Darl McBride
> President & CEO
> The SCO Group, inc.
>
> I___m new to the Open Source movement and I have a
> word to you and the world.
>
..take it off this list, and
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said on Sun, 01 Feb 2004 17:45:48 -0600:
> Brett Carrington writes:
> > Except a chance to be paid back for you hard work, in either money or
> > source code improvements.
>
> "Paid back" implies a bargain: that he told me "If you write this software
> I will pay yo
hi ya john
On Sun, 1 Feb 2004, John Hasler wrote:
> Brett Carrington writes:
> > So why am I giving Joe Bob's Computer Depot money for a box with disks in
> > it? The box doesn't say anything about my purchase being part of a
> > contract does it?
>
> If the EULA is printed on the outside of th
Brett Carrington writes:
> So why am I giving Joe Bob's Computer Depot money for a box with disks in
> it? The box doesn't say anything about my purchase being part of a
> contract does it?
If the EULA is printed on the outside of the box then you agreed to it by
plonking the box down on the count
Brett Carrington wrote:
> If the GPL doesn't grant usage rights, how can a user be sure they are
> entitled to this?
Copyright law does not limit usage. Therefor the user has such rights by
default.
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On Sun, Feb 01, 2004 at 07:49:32PM -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> Brett Carrington writes:
> > So is that what might allow me, for example, to use Microsoft software I
> > purchased without accepting the EULA?
>
> If you can get Microsoft to sell you a copy without requiring as part of
> the purchase
Brett Carrington writes:
> So is that what might allow me, for example, to use Microsoft software I
> purchased without accepting the EULA?
If you can get Microsoft to sell you a copy without requiring as part of
the purchase agreement acceptance of the EULA. The EULA is a contract. It
says that
On Sun, Feb 01, 2004 at 07:09:37PM -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> No license is required to use a work. Legal possession of a copy suffices.
> Copyright limits only the making of copies and the creation of derivatives.
> The right to make temporary copies incidental to normal use as in copying a
> pr
On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 02:04:22AM +0100, Martin Dickopp wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 01, 2004 at 07:33:23PM -0500, Brett Carrington wrote:
> > The GPL should be accepted in any case though,
>
> No, it states that the user is not required to accept it in Section 5:
> "You are not required to accept this L
Brett Carrington writes:
> The GPL should be accepted in any case though, otherwise a user can not
> be sure he has the right to use a copyrighted work.
The GPL applies only to copying, modification and distribution. From the
GPL:
Activities other than copying, distribution and modificat
On Sun, Feb 01, 2004 at 07:33:23PM -0500, Brett Carrington wrote:
> The GPL should be accepted in any case though,
No, it states that the user is not required to accept it in Section 5:
"You are not required to accept this License, since you have not signed
it."
> otherwise a user can not be sure
On Sun, Feb 01, 2004 at 05:55:27PM -0500, Brett Carrington wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 01, 2004 at 04:42:25PM -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > I admit it I am a leach, I take stuff off Usenet for my personal gain
> > > once in a while I post something of value, but overall I ta
On Sun, Feb 01, 2004 at 06:27:59PM -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> Brett Carrington writes:
> > Music artists expect royalties programmers expect wages...
>
> These people are creating their works as part of some sort of bargain.
>
> > ...or in GPL'd code, license compliance...
>
> I release my soft
Brett Carrington writes:
> Music artists expect royalties programmers expect wages...
These people are creating their works as part of some sort of bargain.
> ...or in GPL'd code, license compliance...
I release my software under the GPL. However, users do not need to agree
to the GPL because u
On Sun, Feb 01, 2004 at 05:45:48PM -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> I wrote:
> > You are not a leach. A leach takes something away from the host: when
> > the leach is done the host has less blood then he had before. When you
> > make a copy of my software you gain but I lose nothing.
>
> Brett Carri
I wrote:
> You are not a leach. A leach takes something away from the host: when
> the leach is done the host has less blood then he had before. When you
> make a copy of my software you gain but I lose nothing.
Brett Carrington writes:
> Except a chance to be paid back for you hard work, in eit
On Sun, Feb 01, 2004 at 04:42:25PM -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I admit it I am a leach, I take stuff off Usenet for my personal gain
> > once in a while I post something of value, but overall I take more than I
> > give.
>
> You are not a leach. A leach takes somethin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I admit it I am a leach, I take stuff off Usenet for my personal gain
> once in a while I post something of value, but overall I take more than I
> give.
You are not a leach. A leach takes something away from the host: when the
leach is done the host has less blood then
On Sun, 2004-02-01 at 12:09, Al Davis wrote:
> On Sunday 01 February 2004 03:44 am, Nano Nano wrote:
> > ... As
> > employees of the store, we were allowed to "check out" one piece of
> > software per day, and return it in the morning. A hairdryer was used
> > to gently separate the sticker
On Sun, 1 Feb 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 01, 2004 at 12:09:43PM -0500, Al Davis wrote:
> >
> > You took. You gave nothing back.
..
> > Napster took. It gave nothing back.
..
> I admit it I am a leach, I take stuff off Usenet for my personal gain once in a while
> I post s
On Sunday 01 February 2004 03:47 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Ok I am sorry for all the rant, if I have personally insulted anyone
> I am sorry.
When you use free software, you are giving something back when you
spread the word, and when you redistribute as GPL says you should do.
What bothere
On Sun, Feb 01, 2004 at 12:09:43PM -0500, Al Davis wrote:
> On Sunday 01 February 2004 03:44 am, Nano Nano wrote:
>
> You took. You gave nothing back.
> Parasites.
>
> You took. You gave nothing back.
>
>
> Napster took. It gave nothing back.
>
> Smited by who? By those in power?
On Sun, Feb 01, 2004 at 09:57:40AM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 00:44:34 -0800, Nano Nano wrote:
>
> [snip]
> >
> > I guess my point is we are a smart bunch of people and if we stay quiet
> > we can have all we want and no one will bother us. That's all. I've
> > seen bigge
Nano Nano wrote:
On Sun, Feb 01, 2004 at 12:25:25AM -0800, Ivan Torres Jimenez wrote:
Mr. Darl McBride
President & CEO
The SCO Group, inc.
A Parable:
Nicely done Nano, well written. Thanks.
Hugo.
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On Sunday 01 February 2004 03:44 am, Nano Nano wrote:
> ... As
> employees of the store, we were allowed to "check out" one piece of
> software per day, and return it in the morning. A hairdryer was used
> to gently separate the sticker without breaking it and retaining its
> glue-iness. We
On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 00:44:34 -0800, Nano Nano wrote:
[snip]
>
> I guess my point is we are a smart bunch of people and if we stay quiet
> we can have all we want and no one will bother us. That's all. I've
> seen bigger movements than this go down.
Very elegantly put, Nano, my congratulation
On Sun, 1 Feb 2004 00:25:25 -0800 (PST)
Ivan Torres Jimenez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mr. Darl McBride
> President & CEO
> The SCO Group, inc.
>
> I___m new to the Open Source movement and I have a
> word to you and the world.
>
> You are proposing that the U.S. Government take legal
> actio
On Sun, Feb 01, 2004 at 12:25:25AM -0800, Ivan Torres Jimenez wrote:
> Mr. Darl McBride
> President & CEO
> The SCO Group, inc.
A Parable:
Once there was a year called 1993 and there was a brick-and-mortar store
called Egghead. Software was sold on floppies inside shrink-wrapped
boxes with sti
Mr. Darl McBride
President & CEO
The SCO Group, inc.
I’m new to the Open Source movement and I have a
word to you and the world.
You are proposing that the U.S. Government take legal
actions against the Open Source Community and the GPL
(General Public License) based software, a very
serious pro
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