On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:13:33 +0800,
"David Palmer." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> I'm not mad at anyone.
> If there is a form of arrogance that displays a lack of experience,
> it's analysis at a distance.
> Put all politicians on a wage of $500.00/week, and make it
On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 07:30:00AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 04:49:33PM -0700, Thanasis Kinias wrote:
> > scripsit Tom:
> >
> > (dating from the 17th century; their descendents are today's Lib-Dems)
> > or with a rather na?ve progressive view of history as the stor
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 21:00:02 -0800
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> On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 08:19:25PM -0800, Tom wrote:
> > The unfortunate thing about people like you is you go from this bizarre
> > self-loathing to crass commercialis
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 04:49:33PM -0700, Thanasis Kinias wrote:
> scripsit Tom:
>
> (dating from the 17th century; their descendents are today's Lib-Dems)
> or with a rather na?ve progressive view of history as the story of
> continual progress. The latter is the way the term tends to be used
>
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 10:42:33AM -0600, Hoyt Bailey wrote:
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> I believe Mr sanders is a member of the socialist party.
>
>
check out bernie.house.gov
while he lends himself to socialist issues, bernie is an independent.
ben
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On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 09:00:02PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 08:19:25PM -0800, Tom wrote:
> > The unfortunate thing about people like you is you go from this bizarre
> > self-loathing to crass commercialism (usually around 27).
>
> You know, murphy really ought to be ma
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On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 08:19:25PM -0800, Tom wrote:
> The unfortunate thing about people like you is you go from this bizarre
> self-loathing to crass commercialism (usually around 27).
You know, murphy really ought to be making sure the addresses u
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 07:37:05PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 07:27:02PM -0800, Tom wrote:
> > Anyway, thanks for making me glad I'm American paul!
>
> Learned it in school, not off the net. Heard it within the last month
> on The History Channel as well, though the name
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 07:26:52PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 06:54:48PM -0800, Tom wrote:
> > This is so profoundly offensive I cannot believe you offensive.
> > What you are saying is so self-evidently wrong it's laughable.
>
> Go take US History sometime.
Go read abou
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On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 07:27:02PM -0800, Tom wrote:
> Anyway, thanks for making me glad I'm American paul!
Learned it in school, not off the net. Heard it within the last month
on The History Channel as well, though the name of the program it was
on
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 05:47:46PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 06:17:17AM -0800, Tom wrote:
> > Don't second-guess them; they was smart!
>
> They weren't smart, they were drunk; there's a difference. We don't
> even trust drunks to drive these days. They fall well short
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On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 06:54:48PM -0800, Tom wrote:
> This is so profoundly offensive I cannot believe you offensive.
> What you are saying is so self-evidently wrong it's laughable.
Go take US History sometime.
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On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 05:47:46PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 06:17:17AM -0800, Tom wrote:
> > Don't second-guess them; they was smart!
>
> They weren't smart, they were drunk; there's a difference. We don't
> even trust drunks to drive these days. They fall well short
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On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 02:11:30AM -0700, Thanasis Kinias wrote:
> ...and hence not a member of any `third' party -- or am I missing
> something?
Confusingly enough, there's an Independent Party here. So more people
claim to be Independents then actu
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On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 01:39:06AM -0800, Tom wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 10:15:11PM -0700, Thanasis Kinias wrote:
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> > I was aware of the indepentents; `nonzero' referred to members of
> > organized `third' parties, which could run party lists
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On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 06:17:17AM -0800, Tom wrote:
> Don't second-guess them; they was smart!
They weren't smart, they were drunk; there's a difference. We don't
even trust drunks to drive these days. They fall well short of the
pedestal people pu
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On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 08:01:00AM -0600, Kent West wrote:
> and at this time pick from the Big Two to avoid "throwing away" your
> vote.
I was with you up until you said this. How does this change anything?
The general election is the one that count
ScruLoose writes:
> Half of the stuff that gets called "campaign contribution" in the US
> would get both parties ten years in jail if you tried it in any other
> democracy in the world.
And half of the stuff that gets called "campaign contribution" in other
parts of the world would get both parti
scripsit Tom:
> You conveniently ignored the quote by the Indian fellow who complained
> about how there are too many political parties.
I guess it didn't occur to me you were offering it as a serious
argument. I confess I didn't pay too much attention to it, as I misread
it to be coming from a
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> scripsit [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 08:01:00AM -0600, Kent West wrote:
> But I kindda like the idea that others have put forward; make political
> office holding (for many/most? posititions) a responsibility of normal
> citizens, via random choice, like jury duty.
Sure, because with random office holders ab
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On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 05:11:58PM -0600, Kent West wrote:
Vote for your third-party during the primary
You can't. Primary ballots only list candidates from your own party.
Yes. So register as a member of that 3rd party
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 10:15:11PM -0700, Thanasis Kinias wrote:
> I was aware of the indepentents; `nonzero' referred to members of
> organized `third' parties, which could run party lists under a
> Scottish-style system. AFAIK there are no party members in the Congress
> that are not Democrats
scripsit [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 10:15:11PM -0700, Thanasis Kinias wrote:
[snip]
> > I was aware of the indepentents; `nonzero' referred to members of
> > organized `third' parties, which could run party lists under a
> > Scottish-style system. AFAIK there are no party members
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 10:15:11PM -0700, Thanasis Kinias wrote:
> scripsit Tom:
> > On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 02:32:15PM -0700, Thanasis Kinias wrote:
> >
> > > a system (I did the math a while ago) we'd have a small but nonzero
> > > number of (at least) Greens and Libertarians in the House, even
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> David Palmer. wrote:
>> Put all politicians on a wage of $500.00/week, and make it a capital
>> offense to take a political bribe, and you would get the ones that want
>> to do the job for the right reasons.
>
> No. You'd get the ones that want to do the
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 23:05:39 -0500
ScruLoose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 09:50:35PM -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> > David Palmer. wrote:
>
> > > Put all politicians on a wage of $500.00/week, and make it a
> > > capital offense to take a political bribe, and you would get th
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 21:50:35 -0600
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> David Palmer. wrote:
> > Put all politicians on a wage of $500.00/week, and make it a capital
> > offense to take a political bribe, and you would get the ones that
> > want to do the job for the right reasons.
>
> No. Y
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On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 05:11:58PM -0600, Kent West wrote:
> Vote for your third-party during the primary
You can't. Primary ballots only list candidates from your own party.
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On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 09:15:28PM -0600, Kirk Strauser wrote:
> Yeah. That narrows the selection pool to those too rich to need the money,
> or those so inexperienced that they'd do an insanely difficult job for
> peanuts. Not exactly who I want run
scripsit Tom:
> On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 02:32:15PM -0700, Thanasis Kinias wrote:
>
> > a system (I did the math a while ago) we'd have a small but nonzero
> > number of (at least) Greens and Libertarians in the House, even with
>
> There is 1 independent Senator and 1 independent Congressman (wha
At 2003-12-05T04:08:54Z, John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Actually, the salaries for most elected offices are low by the standards of
> the class of people who are usually nominated by the major parties.
Sure, but $26,000/year? Basically, the experienced businessman with the
know-how to
> That narrows the selection pool to those too rich to need the money, or
> those so inexperienced that they'd do an insanely difficult job for
> peanuts.
Actually, the salaries for most elected offices are low by the standards of
the class of people who are usually nominated by the major parties.
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 09:50:35PM -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> David Palmer. wrote:
> > Put all politicians on a wage of $500.00/week, and make it a capital
> > offense to take a political bribe, and you would get the ones that want
> > to do the job for the right reasons.
>
> No. You'd get the
scripsit John Hasler:
> David Palmer. wrote:
> > Put all politicians on a wage of $500.00/week, and make it a capital
> > offense to take a political bribe, and you would get the ones that want
> > to do the job for the right reasons.
>
> No. You'd get the ones that want to do the job for all the
David Palmer. wrote:
> Put all politicians on a wage of $500.00/week, and make it a capital
> offense to take a political bribe, and you would get the ones that want
> to do the job for the right reasons.
No. You'd get the ones that want to do the job for all the worst possible
reasons. Under th
scripsit Monique Y. Herman:
> Friends of mine postulated the idea of having "politician duty" in
> much the same was as we have jury duty ... you get a letter one day
> telling you it's your turn to serve. Pretty sure this was done in at
> least one ancient govt ... think it was Athens.
Funny t
At 2003-12-04T11:13:33Z, "David Palmer." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Put all politicians on a wage of $500.00/week, and make it a capital
> offense to take a political bribe, and you would get the ones that want to
> do the job for the right reasons. Regards,
Yeah. That narrows the selection
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> On Th
On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 at 01:06 GMT, Jason A Whittle penned:
> I'm sorry that my first post to debian-user is so off-topic, and that
> I don't have a key yet. I hope to rectify the latter ASAP.
>
> On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 01:34:11PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
>> In theory, we have a multi-party
I'm sorry that my first post to debian-user is so off-topic, and that I
don't have a key yet. I hope to rectify the latter ASAP.
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 01:34:11PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> In theory, we have a multi-party system. In practice, voting for a
> "third-party" candidate is a
Monique Y. Herman wrote:
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 at 12:38 GMT, Hoyt Bailey penned:
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In theory, we have a multi-party system. In practice, voting for a
"third-party" candidate is a wasted vote, because everyone "knows" that
every vote cast outside
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 02:32:15PM -0700, Thanasis Kinias wrote:
> a system (I did the math a while ago) we'd have a small but nonzero
> number of (at least) Greens and Libertarians in the House, even with
There is 1 independent Senator and 1 independent Congressman (what's the
generic term for
scripsit Monique Y. Herman:
> If we had a system in which we could vote more than once, for example
> by specifying a first, second, and third choice, maybe we would see
> some shake-up.
Maybe we should let Debian run U.S. elections then? ;)
[attempt to make this a bit less OT...]
Seriously, a
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 at 12:38 GMT, Hoyt Bailey penned:
>
> - Original Message - From: "Monique Y. Herman"
>>
>> I tend to think that the reason you're okay with the right and the
>> left taking turns is that, for the most part, the politicians on both
>> sides are nothing but center. I'm s
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 at 17:56 GMT, Paul Johnson penned:
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> On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 07:13:33PM +0800, David Palmer. wrote:
>> Put all politicians on a wage of $500.00/week, and make it a capital
>> offense to take a political bribe, and you would get
Paul Johnson wrote:
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On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 07:13:33PM +0800, David Palmer. wrote:
Put all politicians on a wage of $500.00/week, and make it a capital
offense to take a political bribe, and you would get the ones that want
to do the job for the right
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On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 07:13:33PM +0800, David Palmer. wrote:
> Put all politicians on a wage of $500.00/week, and make it a capital
> offense to take a political bribe, and you would get the ones that want
> to do the job for the right reasons.
Woul
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> On Wed, 03 Dec 2003
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 23:01:13 -0800
Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 12:53:29PM +0800, David Palmer. wrote:
>
> > Two parties, sharing power, no difference between the two other than
> > name.
>
> I used to be like that, all mad at everybody. The internal assumption
>
> t
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 05:36:18PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> Granted. But that's why I go to a real Taco Bell instead. Or,
> politically speaking, why I was driven to socialism.
You'll change. You're Echo Boomer. Your parents, the Baby Boomers,
went from being WWII babies, to Hippies, to
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 12:53:29PM +0800, David Palmer. wrote:
> Two parties, sharing power, no difference between the two other than
> name.
I used to be like that, all mad at everybody. The internal assumption
that validates it to yourself is "I could do it much better, if only..."
Once I ha
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 13:14:24 -0700
"Monique Y. Herman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 at 20:04 GMT, Tom penned:
> > On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 07:12:33AM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote:
> >>
> >> And everyone seems to SHOUT on Fox.
> >
> > I like it when we take turns. I hope the left w
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On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 09:21:57AM -0700, Thanasis Kinias wrote:
> scripsit Paul Johnson:
>
> > Preface: I was born in 1982, and in my opinion, Clinton is the best
> > president we've had in my lifetime (don't bother flaming me for this,
> > you won'
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On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 12:04:27PM -0800, Tom wrote:
> I like it when we take turns. I hope the left will play nice on the
> playground and accept that we're alternating decades. They had a nice
> long run with Clinton following a nice long run wit
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On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 07:12:33AM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote:
> And everyone seems to SHOUT on Fox.
Yup, the last resort of a liar or bigot trying to be taken seriously.
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On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 at 20:04 GMT, Tom penned:
> On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 07:12:33AM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote:
>>
>> And everyone seems to SHOUT on Fox.
>
> I like it when we take turns. I hope the left will play nice on the
> playground and accept that we're alternating decades. They had a nice
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 07:12:33AM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote:
>
> And everyone seems to SHOUT on Fox.
I like it when we take turns. I hope the left will play nice on the
playground and accept that we're alternating decades. They had a nice
long run with Clinton following a nice long run with R
On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 22:36:48 -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
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> On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 06:41:04AM -0800, Tom wrote:
> (re: news)
>> > Exception CNN 0% Fox News 90% +/- (depending on source)
>>
scripsit Paul Johnson:
> Preface: I was born in 1982, and in my opinion, Clinton is the best
> president we've had in my lifetime (don't bother flaming me for this,
> you won't change my mind, and Carter was before my time).
Not many to choose from there... sorta like trying to pick the best
t
On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 10:46:36PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> IIRC, Bill didn't use a paper bag, but rather hid under the desk.
I think you mean *she* hid under the desk. The image the other way
around is not pretty.
> Preface: I was born in 1982, and in my opinion, Clinton is the best
> pre
On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 11:20:31PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> I have no faith in America. Not that I wish it ill, quite the
> contrary. It could have been great. We just let the greedy get too
> powerful. Last I checked, America was supposed to be by the people,
> for the people, not by the p
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On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 10:57:04PM -0800, Tom wrote:
> Well, I don't agree with either part of that, but I don't believe the
> opposite. I don't see a liberal or conserative slant in CNN, but I do
> see a bias towards "artificial" news which is to m
On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 10:36:48PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
>
> CNN isn't horribly credible to me since AOL bought them out. Now the
> only real difference between CNN and FNC is CNN is for the merely
> stupid, whereas Fox News is for the criminally stupid.
Well, I don't agree with either part
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On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 11:53:21AM -0800, Tom wrote:
> OTOH, you have to respect Bill falling for the paper bag types. I can
> sure identify...
IIRC, Bill didn't use a paper bag, but rather hid under the desk.
Which begs the question, is the type Bi
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On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 09:34:28AM -0800, Tom wrote:
> Yeah, my bad, I noticed it just after I posted. I tend to follow the
> style of the thread (i.e., it was in grow mode before me).
No offense, but don't buy into that line. This same logic is us
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On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 06:41:04AM -0800, Tom wrote:
(re: news)
> > Exception CNN 0% Fox News 90% +/- (depending on source)
>
> I'll agree Fox is for the stupid, but it's better than 40 movies being
Thus spake Thanasis Kinias ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> scripsit Tom:
> > On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 11:53:21AM -0800, Tom wrote:
> > > .. Elvis tripping on LSD with Nixon.
> >
> > s/with/in front of/
>
> It's much funnier the other way...
This was presumably the occasion when RMN make Elvis a special
a
scripsit Tom:
> On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 11:53:21AM -0800, Tom wrote:
> > .. Elvis tripping on LSD with Nixon.
>
> s/with/in front of/
It's much funnier the other way...
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On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 11:53:21AM -0800, Tom wrote:
> .. Elvis tripping on LSD with Nixon.
s/with/in front of/
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On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 12:29:59PM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 06:41:04 -0800, Tom wrote:
>
> >
> > I'll agree Fox is for the stupid, but it's better than 40 movies being
> > made about the president getting some poon on the side :-)
> >
>
> I have this persistent vision of
On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 06:41:04 -0800, Tom wrote:
>
> I'll agree Fox is for the stupid, but it's better than 40 movies being
> made about the president getting some poon on the side :-)
>
I have this persistent vision of a retired World Leaders' cocktail party,
with a conversation whcih goes some
On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 06:18:19PM +0100, Olle Eriksson wrote:
> First off, sorry for top-posting.
>
> Look at the e-mail below. Is it necessary to include 85 lines of quotes
> just to say one sentence? This happens all too often in my opinion.
>
[snip]
Like you just did?
Yeah, my bad, I notic
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> > From: "csj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> On 1. December 2003 at 7:51AM +0800,
csj writes:
> I don't know about the "instant". But most newspapers worth their name
> have the equivalent of a "letters" section.
Which print only a minuscule fraction of the letters received.
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> On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 15:01:22 -0800
> "Karsten M. Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > on Sat, Nov 29, 2003 at 09:53:37PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman
> > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 at 03:22 G
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