But consider, please, that this often mean, that you blame others by
own mistakes only. Hmm, another gmail user, NSA contributor...
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depends on it, but i afraid, that there will be response: "not enough
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Dňa Thu, 16 Oct 2014 08:34:34 -0700 Don Armstrong
napísal:
> On Thu, 16 Oct 2014, Slavko wrote:
> > aptitude search -w 60 -F "%c%a %p %v" '~i?depends(libsystemd0)'
> [...]
> > LANG=C dpkg -l libsystemd0
> > dpkg-query: no packages found matching
s.
This is the reason why i suspend all my contributions for now. I know,
that the Debian was here without me and will be here without me too, but
i see no enough interest to contribute now. First i was in doubts: is
this only my wounded ego? But by last months doings i lost any doubts.
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y search.
>
> In other posts to this Slavko alluded to recompiling packages to get
> rid of systemd dependencies.
>
This is true i have some package rebuilded by myself to remove some
unwanted dependencies, but this doesn't matter, because aptitude shows
(once again):
g0, libdbus-1-3 (>=
1.7.6), libexpat1 (>= 2.0.1), libselinux1 (>= 2.0.65), adduser,
lsb-base (>= 3.2-14)
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they want. Users get what they want.
> Everyone's a winner. :)
I get systemd. Are you sure, that i want it? Or am i not a user?
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user from my XFCE session. That is all, what i want and when i
try it, i get message about insufficient permissions.
I ask here for help, but no one (i expect the response especially from
these who tells, that this ML is for support not for discussion) give
me the solution how to get the sufficient
Ahoj,
Dňa Fri, 10 Oct 2014 23:31:02 +0100 Brian
napísal:
> On Fri 10 Oct 2014 at 21:00:41 +0200, Slavko wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > LANG=C aptpu libsystemd-login0 libsystemd-daemon0
> > The following packages will be REMOVED:
>
> [Snip]
>
> > cups-daem
Ahoj,
Dňa Fri, 10 Oct 2014 13:22:06 -0400 James Ensor
napísal:
> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Slavko wrote:
> > Ahoj,
> >
> > Dňa Fri, 10 Oct 2014 12:16:23 -0400 James Ensor
> > napísal:
> >
> >> I made no assumptions, as I had absolutely noth
emd.
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o meet it only after release (and
during upgrade)...
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required/expected now?
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st-upgrade until systemd 215
> migrates, which should happen in the next few days.
And all these things are named as "systemd alternative" in Debian now
and as argument that the systemd is not only one possible PID 1.
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Ahoj,
Dňa Wed, 1 Oct 2014 02:05:42 +0300 Andrei POPESCU
napísal:
> On Du, 28 sep 14, 20:04:22, Slavko wrote:
> >
> > BTW, what you recommends is to change the DE due systemd, strange
> > solution. I want the exact opposite solution - i want to change the
> > (now
Ahoj,
Dňa Sun, 28 Sep 2014 18:08:39 +0100 Lisi Reisz
napísal:
> On Sunday 28 September 2014 17:01:45 Martin Read wrote:
> > On 28/09/14 16:35, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > On Sunday 28 September 2014 14:21:13 Slavko wrote:
> > >> For now it seems, that there is no c
ry simple to set the gnome and
systemd (and many other things) out of system by the USE flags, then
these functions (and libraries) are not compiled at all and this i see
as big advantage (which is close to my - install only what you are
using), which cannot be simple accomplished with Debian.
regar
emporary task and number
affected packages will be grow, then i don't think, that it is real
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needs any work to
> > achieve such a thing) is more likely to say "bug reports only
> > reproducible on systemd are your problem, not mine" than "oh, well,
> > if Debian has gone with it as well maybe I'll have a look".
>
> And the next step is to stop paying attention to old style init
> scripts.
>
Yes, then next step is go away from Debian.
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> > the position "let's wait until we have a good init to move to",
> > which is very different from "let's use sysvinit". There's no place
> > to write in an "other".
> >
> Steve,
>
> Popularity-contest simply keeps track of what packages are installed
> on a user's system. So unless you install an init system from
> source, your "vote" would be counted. (To be clear, I'm not sure if
> it would be counted if you installed a third-party package).
But for the systemd too, due dependencies...
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king for me or not,
etc. But i have no enough knowledge how to fix problems.
Then, please, leave the constructive criticism for the developers,
which can to know how to do things better if users see that it is not
very good. If not, then i will understand your words as quandary and as
effort to s
ngs.
But in last one or two years, there comes some problems (which i
mentioned here more times), but they are in particular packages, not
with the Debian self (i hope). And here mentioned and discussed
problems with systemd can be from the same reason.
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then it is
a time to change the list's description (and purpose). But consider,
that then many of these users, which don't need to get support
(because they are able to provide it), will go away from list.
Or one can learn to use the mail's filters and/or "Delete" key. Beware,
on some keyboards the Delete key is named the "Del" only. :-P
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o communicate only with two or three
maintainers (or maintainer(s) of two or three packages?), where they was
not able to accept, that their package(s) can have a bug. These
problems i solved by selecting alternative package. But now...
Is now a time to forgot at trust that the DD and DM k
UUID here.
I am not sure, if new initramfs is needed, but nothing will damage, if
you generate new one by:
update-initramfs -u
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Dňa Thu, 18 Sep 2014 13:56:47 -0500 John Hasler
napísal:
> Slavko writes:
> > I was try this some days ago (when latest systemd-shim goes into
> > testing). By my understand of the root of problem, the policykit
> > based users rights depends on libpam-system
...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
>
Are you know, that this will work, or you are think, that this will
work? Beware, if one think, then this one don't know.
You are too quick. Your suggestions simple doesn't work everywhere, as
i posted more times here. Because you are able to find links, please
find them by self...
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y knowledge and experiences with using the
systemd ;-). I didn't test if the systemd-shim is working here, but i
think that there will be no problems.
And as latest, i will be happy, if someone will report here, when some
of newest versions of systemd (or systemd-shim|cgmanager, etc) works
fai
Ahoj,
Dňa Wed, 17 Sep 2014 17:38:46 +0200 B napísal:
> On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 16:48:39 +0200
> Slavko wrote:
>
> > > Alas, poor Slavko ;-)
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I am sorry, i don't understand your reply (my poor English).
>
> Oh,
Ahoj,
Dňa Tue, 16 Sep 2014 18:40:40 +0200 B napísal:
> On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 18:17:19 +0200
> Slavko wrote:
>
> > If yes,
> > then "something is rotten in the state of Denmark" ...
>
> Alas, poor Slavko ;-)
>
>
I am sorry, i don't u
can here post only: "The DD are best and
their choices are the best" and anything critic is OT here. If yes, then
"something is rotten in the state of Denmark" ...
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and accept, what others (here RedHat) prepare for you.
> So are we trying to support the need of our users for operation in
> many different kinds of computing environments or are we pushing some
> distro that actualy did that into becoming a GiB monolith?
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Dňa Sat, 13 Sep 2014 21:46:43 +0200 lee napísal:
> Slavko writes:
>
> > BTW, if someone is interested in, while this investigation i
> > generated graphs of dependencies on some systemd packages on my
> > system, they will be accessible for some time here:
> &
Ahoj,
Dňa Thu, 11 Sep 2014 20:15:59 +0200 lee napísal:
> Supporting systemd violates Debians' social contract.
Can you be more verbose about this, please? Why? How? By what?
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Dňa Thu, 11 Sep 2014 18:45:10 +0200 Slavko napísal:
> I did small investigation. The dbus seems only a half of problem,
> because there is the same dependency in the libpulse0 (no, i don't use
> pulse audio, but dependencies...) and a lot of my applications
> depends o
systemd (and then depends on the init system) will
be grow and i can simply end with another distro, where will need to
recompile most of Debian packages without systemd support.
I have no resources to maintain another Debian... Then it really seems,
that here is a time to search another solution.
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arding the future structure of the cgroups
> interface.
Small typo, the systemd-logind <= 204 provides it. I have hold the
version 204 of systemd and udev (and related packages) due this.
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am not able to decide if i don't understand
because my English or because i don't know what is discussion about :-)
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wledge is not enough to know these in more depth, then i
mostly avoid to package these system things.
When i save some time i will try to build it, try it and then share it.
Many thanks to share this here!
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Ahoj,
Dňa Sun, 07 Sep 2014 02:30:42 +0200 lee napísal:
> Slavko writes:
>
> > Ahoj,
> >
> > Dňa Sat, 06 Sep 2014 02:08:47 +0200 lee
> > napísal:
> >
> >> Doug writes:
> >>
> >> > It didn't need systemd before, so why
y wait until the war ends and then they stay the
generals, and some will go into war and try to win it. But it is not
possible to win all wars, and only very small amount of people are
willing to risk the loss.
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t agree and feel, that it is OK?
2, Need to be this decided (RC/normal bug) at the Debian level, or only
maintainers need to decide it?
I don't know.
3, What about indirect dependencies?
I see (in this case) this indirect dependency as the same problem as
the direct one.
r
systemd-shim and my
system is affected with all - i only don't use the gdm nor lightdm, but
behavior exactly the same.
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ty, so the systemd components (like logind) continue to
> use the kernel ring buffer (kmsg).
>
> I'm inclined to re-assign this bug to systemd-shim, as this bug is
> caused by running logind under systemd-shim and the shim failing to
> provide that logging infrastructur
ithout (direct or indirect)
dependency on the systemd and this is bad!
The systemd-shim si not real alternative (at least for me), because
some things simple are not working (e.g. X session management for
policykit) yet. And it bad too!
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Ahoj,
Dňa Thu, 28 Aug 2014 14:15:00 +0100 Brian
napísal:
> On Thu 28 Aug 2014 at 13:23:29 +0200, Slavko wrote:
>
> > > "launchpad bug 1258089" should bring up something.
> >
> > Nice. AS Lissi point us, i need only tell thanks, then:
> >
> >
Ahoj,
Dňa Wed, 27 Aug 2014 18:47:19 +0100 Brian
napísal:
> On Wed 27 Aug 2014 at 19:37:41 +0200, Slavko wrote:
>
> > please which Python version have to be default on Jessie? Will be
> > support for Python 2.7 dropped in it?
> >
> > I read this
moving to
Python 3. (LP: #1258089)
And please, what is the "LP: #1258089"?
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ns "I don't know how to
configure Debian". ;-)
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Ahoj,
Dňa Mon, 11 Aug 2014 18:01:05 +1200 Chris Bannister
napísal:
> On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 09:37:24AM +0200, Slavko wrote:
> >
> > Our priorities are our users and free software
> >
> > We will be guided by the needs of our
s of the systemd. But i can see more
and more, that the systemd have no advantages for my small and simple
environments and the SysV (with all it's problems) fulfills my needing.
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Ahoj,
Dňa Sat, 9 Aug 2014 17:23:31 +0200 Sven Hartge
napísal:
> Slavko wrote:
>
> > Please, how i can get the records from previous boot?
>
> Edit /etc/systemd/journald.conf and set "Storage=persistent"
>
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end at So 2014-08-09 17:10:18
CEST. --
The 17:09 is the last boot time. Then i shutdown machine (by shutdown
command), "power" it again and after boot i get:
journalctl --until 17:00
-- Logs begin at So 2014-08-09 17:16:20 CEST, end at So 2014-08-09 17:16:30
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> Where dch take sting 'ubuntu' to add to version?
>
> (Sorry for 'ubuntu', but dch seems be debian in nature).
>
dch -l ubuntu some text
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Ahoj,
Dňa Fri, 8 Aug 2014 09:33:45 -0400 Tom H napísal:
> On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 3:12 AM, Slavko wrote:
> > Dňa Wed, 6 Aug 2014 16:25:21 -0400 Tom H
> > napísal:
> >>
> >> I've saved one or two relevant URLs from debian-devel@ pre-CTTE bug
> >
ss here), but too heavy in provided
capabilities. Simple, i see usability of only small part of it (for me)
and then it sounds as wasting resources.
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By my mistake i post it directly to Dan - i am sorry! I repost it to
list again...
Dňa Tue, 5 Aug 2014 12:07:41 -0700 Don Armstrong
napísal:
> On Tue, 05 Aug 2014, Slavko wrote:
> > When i read first time about change default of the init, i believe
> > (or hope?), tha
Ahoj,
Dňa Tue, 5 Aug 2014 16:33:23 -0400 Tom H napísal:
> On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Slavko wrote:
> > Dňa Tue, 5 Aug 2014 08:58:47 -0400 Tom H
> > napísal:
> >>
> >> If tomh-init is faster than htom-init, whether there's just ssh
> >> run
Ahoj,
Dňa Tue, 5 Aug 2014 09:17:15 -0700 Don Armstrong
napísal:
> On Tue, 05 Aug 2014, Slavko wrote:
> > To be precise, i often read about these things: monolitic, binary
> > files and boot speed. I don't like first two and i am not interested
> > in latest.
>
gument for the systemd. But no all
users are interested on boot time, then there are reaction as this (and
as my). IMO, there aren't a lot information about other aspects of
systemd and then people (include me) don't know about them.
Until will be boot time again and again used as argument, then here
will be responses as these.
To be precise, i often read about these things: monolitic, binary files
and boot speed. I don't like first two and i am not interested in
latest.
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r and obvious to me as it should for the rest of end
> users, nevertheless the garbage collector is full of "systemd vs sysv"
> stuff.
>
why you then reported bugs to BTS, which contains no thanks, but problem
description? by your own words, you need only tell thank
Debian (testing) now - more and more things are
depended on the logind. It can be OK, but you cannot install (and use)
logind without systemd (from apt). For me it sounds, as when you can use
grep only to files found by find. Or not the systemd is broken, but its
packages are?
What is the only o
Ahoj,
Dňa Sun, 3 Aug 2014 14:42:01 +0100 Brian napísal:
> On Sat 02 Aug 2014 at 19:02:36 +0200, Slavko wrote:
>
> > OK, i did small progress :-)
> >
> > The issue is (seems) not related to systemd, it is caused by
> > switching
>
> What did you do tha
Ahoj,
Dňa Sat, 2 Aug 2014 18:21:48 +0200 Slavko napísal:
> Ahoj,
>
> Dňa Sat, 2 Aug 2014 12:43:27 +0100 Brian
> napísal:
>
> > On Sat 02 Aug 2014 at 10:49:32 +0100, Brian wrote:
> >
> > This is on a minimal Jessie with systemd-sys installed and nouveau.
>
;
"^.*-kernel-3\.14-1-amd64$";
"^.*-kernel-3\.14-2-amd64$";
"^linux-backports-modules-.*-3\.14-1-amd64$";
"^linux-backports-modules-.*-3\.14-2-amd64$";
"^linux-tools-3\.14-1-amd64$";
"^linux-tools-3\.14-2-amd64$";
};
in the /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove-kernels and old kernels are
preserved after update and i need to manually removed it (them).
They stays (i am using aptitude) installed despite the auto flag.
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this super-tuper journaling
is not written to disk? How i have to find the problem, is nothing is
logs are not preserved? I don't understand...
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Ahoj,
Dňa Sat, 2 Aug 2014 09:19:13 +0100 Brian napísal:
> On Fri 01 Aug 2014 at 13:58:30 +0200, Slavko wrote:
>
> > please, i need help to debug my problem with the resume after sleep
> > with systemd.
>
> [Snip]
>
> > Please, can someone help me with
problem (and i
hope the solution too)? Where i need to take look to find something
useful?
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se problems are solvable, but often
particular MTA dependent.
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t hand.
Yes, i provided answer to you. I try it again: If is something in
public place, it doesn't mean, that anybody can do anything with it.
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n them, you can be considered as stealer, etc.
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Whether they direct all outgoing port 25 trafic to their own server I
> do not know.
Try ask your email provider to enable 587 port, pointing to the
mentioned RFC ;)
> Your observation that ISPs could also interfere with port 587 doesn't
> cheer me up. :)
It is black side of the freedom...
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fails. If mail provider doesn't provides the 587 port
(yes, it seems, that the Deutsche Telekom know nothing about them),
or (obsolete) 465 port there isn't another way how to send encrypted
emails.
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Ahoj,
Dňa Mon, 28 Jul 2014 14:56:40 +0100 Brian
napísal:
> On Mon 28 Jul 2014 at 14:02:29 +0200, Slavko wrote:
>
> > Dňa Sun, 27 Jul 2014 13:02:18 +0100 Brian
> > napísal:
> >
> > > He could check with nc.
> > >
> > > brian@desktop:~$ n
nnections,
the clients have connect via 587, the port 25 for client connections is
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Ahoj,
Dňa Sun, 27 Jul 2014 06:47:45 -0400 Tom H napísal:
> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Slavko wrote:
> > Dňa Thu, 24 Jul 2014 13:00:24 +0100 Tom Furie
> > napísal:
> >>
> >> You are, of course, aware that testing and unstable are test
> >> platfo
described behavior).
By this, these two posts, where it works for one and not for other, can
be by this command order.
BTW, the systemd show huge amount of started services, then it is
useless for me (i have only three daemons on this virtual machine
beside the udev and similar), with the sysv all me
i am curious - if systemd maintainers will allow to set the higher
severity for some bug and if then it will be removed from testing
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Ahoj,
Dňa Tue, 22 Jul 2014 09:58:16 -0400 Miles Fidelman
napísal:
> Slavko wrote:
> > Ahoj,
> >
> > Dňa Tue, 22 Jul 2014 09:33:28 -0400 Miles Fidelman
> > napísal:
> >
> >> Some of us are actually interested in knowing what's going on with
>
Ahoj,
Dňa Tue, 22 Jul 2014 09:33:28 -0400 Miles Fidelman
napísal:
> Some of us are actually interested in knowing what's going on with
> testing, before it becomes stable. Separating the lists seems like a
> very bad idea.
Someone inhibit you to subscribe to both?
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Ahoj,
it seems, that there can good idea to provide separate ML for testing
users.
Dňa Mon, 21 Jul 2014 21:13:26 +1000 Zenaan Harkness
napísal:
> On 7/21/14, Slavko wrote:
> >
> > Dňa Mon, 21 Jul 2014 18:42:22 +1000 Zenaan Harkness
> > napísal:
> >
> So I sugge
ience.
I have only one word: horrible!
(more precise, i have more words, but they are self censured).
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> part of something not independent from the init system.
I am far from to know where the problem is, But you are right, if some
software depends on the init system, then there is something wrong!
Either in init system or in software... Or, perhaps in both ;)
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Ahoj,
Dňa Sun, 20 Jul 2014 07:46:17 +0200 Sven Joachim
napísal:
> On 2014-07-19 19:14 +0200, Slavko wrote:
>
> > Then it seems, that there is way to have policykit without systemd.
>
> The alternative (on which policykit-1 depends on kfreebsd-*) is
> consolekit
ebsd-i386]
Then it seems, that there is way to have policykit without systemd.
Tried someone to recompile it without systemd dependency, please?
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Dňa Fri, 18 Jul 2014 13:19:21 -0400 The Wanderer
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> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA512
>
> On 07/18/2014 12:56 PM, Slavko wrote:
>
> > Dňa Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:10:58 +0200 Erwan David
> > napísal:
> >
> >> That's
ncy against this (these) package(s).
It is something new. If it was good selection with systemd as default,
we all will see in future, but as any new thing, some clean will be
needed.
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Debian related, which can help me to
start with it? Can someone point me, please? Will it work with XFCE?
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Ahoj,
Dňa Sun, 13 Jul 2014 09:49:40 -0700 Noah Meyerhans
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> On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 11:23:11AM +0200, Slavko wrote:
> > By this, i see, that the secure boot is good for corporate
> > environment, don't affect average home users. For others there is
> > more
, then secure boot is
appreciated
By this, i see, that the secure boot is good for corporate environment,
don't affect average home users. For others there is more simple to
disable it, than always sign any experiment ;)
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om my point of view), if
any, and i see it as mostly marketing thing, but it allows to run more
complicated things (without OS start) than BIOS's setup only. I hope,
that in future, there will be more useful UEFI applications, than eye
candy setup utility and nothing solving Secure boot...
reg
> $ grep sleep /etc/init.d/* | wc -l
> 14
> $ ls /etc/init.d/* | wc -l
> 45
>
> Ratio: 31.1%
How many sleep's occurrences are in the restart sequence?
e.g.:
do_stop()
sleep 1
do_start()
And how this restart sequence affects start of the services/system?
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rnational ML, then please, do not think in English only, but
think internationally, when you are trying to generalize.
BTW, one from my first big computer things, was learn my old 8 bit
computer to write in the (something as equivalent of current) Latin2
and Cyrillic, cca 25 years ago.
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l instead.
LANG=C dpkg --forget-old-unavail
dpkg: warning: obsolete '--forget-old-unavail' option; unavailable
packages are automatically cleaned up
(wrapped)
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dentist one in the big-filter. You have been
> warned.
IMO bad yoke. No all are know about OpenPGP, especially about signing.
BTW, in our country AFAIK there is only one Debian man, which
can sign my key. And this one is from another end of my small country -
it is only cca 400 km, but
Ahoj,
Dňa Sun, 08 Jun 2014 12:27:04 +0200 Gour napísal:
> Slavko writes:
>
> > Then i run aptitude and after some keypress is see, that there is
> > one conflict with some co-package (cgi plugin) from old uwsgi
> > version.
>
> I must say that I'm still qu
are not upgraded?!
Then i run aptitude and after some keypress is see, that there is one
conflict with some co-package (cgi plugin) from old uwsgi version.
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sh-* dirs and then
uses autotrash to take action:
#!/bin/bash
#
# empty_trash.sh
#
# Copyright 2012 Slavko
#
# This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
# it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
# the Free Software Foundation; eithe
es
suggests aptitude (i forgot exact codename) and i will stay on it until
it will works for me.
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Ahoj,
Dňa Sat, 7 Jun 2014 12:22:04 +0200 Thierry de Coulon
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> Thanks Slavko. I'm not sure I got everything, but it shows the way to
> go: learn using aptitude.
Don't worry. If you uninstall something, you can always install it
back (remember the "+" key?)
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