question?
>
> Regards.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
Why are you thinking of causing yourself problems by installing Jessie (Old
Stable, soon out of support) when the current Stable is Stretch?
To answer your question:
lisi@Eros:~$ aptitude show python
Package: python
State: installed
Autom
On Monday 19 June 2017 12:09:59 Brian wrote:
> On Mon 19 Jun 2017 at 11:38:28 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Monday 19 June 2017 00:24:52 pplaw wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > In Stretch, I'd like to use WICD to manage network interfaces,
> > > but
always have to install it separately
(having removed NM).
Lisi
just what
Bard Spengler is banking on. "Someone" needs to take him on in court. :-(
Lisi
one
have a complete invention by you, that you daren't let the list see since
they would know that I didn't say any such thing?? If so, then please,
Solitone, let me and the list know what I am supposed to have said.
Lisi
gt; Remove the hold:
>
> sudo aptitude unhold
>
> thanks to askubuntu
>
> Cheers!
Yes, but it wasn't the question asked. He already knows how to "hold" and has
already done it. He wants to be sure how to DOWNGRADE if he needs to do so.
I realise that in theory Solitone could be a she, and apologise if my
impression that he is a man is wrong. :-(
Lisi
y
proud not just of myself but of UNIX. (Japanese Macbook withMac-OSX)
Lisi
a link to what the page looks like as a webm movie. Not see it?
Why are you using Iceweasel? (You probably said, but I can't find it.)
Lisi
On Sunday 04 June 2017 00:27:06 Ric Moore wrote:
> On 06/02/2017 10:41 AM, Fungi4All wrote:
> > Sorry for the top-post but I think it is appropriate
>
> It is not ever appropriate, no matter what you think. Ric
+1
Lisi
On Thursday 01 June 2017 00:58:37 Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:
> On 01/06/17 11:48, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Thursday 01 June 2017 00:17:29 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> >> [Desktop Entry]
>
> [...]
>
> >> Icon=/usr/share/pixmaps/power-button-off_318-4.jpg
>
> [...
On Thursday 01 June 2017 00:17:29 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> I want to set up a large power-off icon on the desktop for a user with very
> poor sight. I have found a suitable icon and am now struggling with
> setting up the icon on the desktop.
>
> Debian Jessie 8.8 with TDE 14.0.5.
>
letting him get on with it. If I can succeed, this will be
much easier for him and MUCH less insecure.
Lisi
lop the bits you want as you
want.
Otherwise, put in a wish-bug. You might be lucky and someone might pick it
up, if the numbers of those who like the text box do not too greatly
outnumber you.
Lisi
On Tuesday 23 May 2017 23:06:44 Felix Miata wrote:
> Anil Duggirala composed on 2017-05-23 11:00 (UTC-0500):
> > Lisi Reisz wrote on 2017-05-23 16:58 (UTC+0100):
> >> What is your graphics card?
> >
> > Im not sure, this is the output from lspci
> > 00:02.0 VGA
t
> non-free firmware could possible correct my graphics problems? what am I
> missing. I am happy my system is working, but graphics work better in
> Windows, and that is morally inacceptable to me.
> thanks a lot,
What is your graphics card?
Lisi
>
> On Mon, May 22, 2017, at 09:11 PM,
or "jessie" to "stretch", and don't bother with "testing".
Lisi
> On Mon, May 22, 2017, at 09:05 AM, Brian wrote:
> > On Mon 22 May 2017 at 08:54:59 -0500, Anil Duggirala wrote:
> > > Thanks a lot Felix and Micheal.
> > > I will
_ - Official amd64 NETINST Binary-1
20170506-14:10]/ jessie main
#deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 8.8.0 _Jessie_ - Official amd64 NETINST Binary-1
20170506-14:10]/ jessie main
deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ stretch main
deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main
# stretch-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main
---
HTH
Lisi
ing the security updates and other stable specific
> lines that i commented on step 2.
Yes. And change all references to jessie to stretch.
Lisi
the same for one folder or
sub-folder, or one user.
Lisi
On Thursday 11 May 2017 21:58:09 Richard Owlett wrote:
> > <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot=>FromSD) and I'm wondering if it
> > will work for Debian.
>
> Your URL is garbled. I tried some quick fixes but didn't work.
Works fine for me. :-/
Lisi
e is also
Experimental, which cannot actually be run, but from which packages can be
taken (if you like to live dangerously ;-) )
Lisi
ve auto user and nosuid. Those more knowledgeable than I will have to
tell you exactly how to integrate Greg's advice. I would almost certainly
get it wrong!
Lisi
On Tuesday 02 May 2017 19:04:55 Felix Natter wrote:
> I tried renaming the file to freeplane.ps, and get the same result when
> viewing with evince ;-)
Renaming is generally a waste of time in Linux, which looks at the file not
the file extension. You are thinking of Another OS. ;-)
Lisi
On Monday 01 May 2017 01:19:21 david...@freevolt.org wrote:
> Development of lynx continues unabated:
>
> http://invisible-island.net/lynx/lynx-develop.html
The most recent reference seems to be to 2015:
"Finally (as of 2015) "
Lisi
dle it the same way? I don't
> > know.
>
> I would go further saying iproute2 is non-functional due to being
> functionally un-documented.
>
> https://manpages.debian.org/jessie/iproute2/ip.8.en.html is useless.
>
> Functional commands, for this thread's topic would be
>ip -s link
> or
>ip -s link ls usb0
>
> No hint of either in so-called man page.
>
> I accidentally discovered it by following up links when doing DuckDuckGo
> search for "documentation iproute2" (w/o quotes).
>
> I then did another netinst of testing. There is some subset of the "ip"
> command available after the network has been configured. The help is too
> abbreviated to be useful.
But did /sbin/ifconfig work?
Lisi
all it "my
> $0.02")--in kmail, just right click on the address to which you want to
> send the new email, and choose "New Message to" from the context menu...
Or, in KMail-Trinity, left click on the address, et voilà! A _new_, correctly
addressed message with a pristine subject line.
Lisi
On Tuesday 18 April 2017 15:55:25 Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> If you Lisi revisit this and it doesn't work, I could try to help.
Thanks, Jonathan. I may therefore revisit it later this week! :-)
Lisi
g when words
are used correctly! Nor do I see any need to note, as requested, that you
know the difference between one and more of something. ;-)
Lisi
; to avoid responding to criticism.
You do realise that Ron is the OP of this thread, and presumably even more new
that yourself?
Lisi
also seem to labour under the delusion that ad hominem attack somehow
proves your point.
This is one of those (few) times when it is a pity that this list isn't
moderated.
Lisi
e ways round this, but you don't give enough information.
Many other distributions do include some non-free firmware by default.
As has been pointed out, Debian is neither a person, nor an organisation.
HTH
Lisi
us sadly use Google - it has a LOT of
faults and problems, but it is a superb search engine.
Morally, of course, DuckDuckGo wins.
Lisi
On Wednesday 12 April 2017 23:42:00 GiaThnYgeia wrote:
> Do I strike you
> like a person needing to hold hands with anyone?
Very much so.
Lisi
r 2
> decades have been employing the system and feedback with problems and bugs.
See above. Why don't you EVER try to get some facts? Just Google
occasionally.
Lisi
r distros have made their
choice. Ubuntu has chosen - of course - to go where the money is.
No-one cares what Richard Owlett - or Lisi Reisz - has chosen for his (her)
laptop. And why should anyone?
Lisi
just have to add the vagaries of systemd to the many things I
need to learn urgently!
Lisi
On Sunday 09 April 2017 18:43:32 Ron Leach wrote:
> While trying to install Debian 7.11
Why are you installing Wheezy?
Lisi
On Sunday 09 April 2017 12:14:16 Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 04/08/2017 05:21 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Saturday 08 April 2017 23:12:15 darkestkhan wrote:
> >> On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 8:58 PM, domenico cop wrote:
> >>> hi. I am a consumer microsoft from litt
E also - yoyu can have the panel wherever you want it.
>
> One catch though: I can't understand your last sentence. Can you clarify
> it?
Ditto, sorry.
Lisi
On Wednesday 05 April 2017 21:26:16 Erwan David wrote:
> Le 04/05/17 à 21:59, Tom Dial a écrit :
> > On 04/05/2017 10:22 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> >> On Wednesday 05 April 2017 15:46:53 Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> >>> On Wed, Apr 05, 2017 at 10:26:18PM +0900, Mark Fletch
On Wednesday 05 April 2017 20:59:02 Tom Dial wrote:
> On 04/05/2017 10:22 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Wednesday 05 April 2017 15:46:53 Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> >> On Wed, Apr 05, 2017 at 10:26:18PM +0900, Mark Fletcher wrote:
> >>> I am going to have a go at getti
> > thing that results is sympathy for your situation and a "me-too!"
>
> I have a working unattended-upgrades setup, I will try and remember what I
> had to do.
Thank you!
Lisi
ended-upgrades working either. But I only wanted it as a
temporary solution, so I have given up.
Lisi
ghted and marked
as important one of the answers to this in this thread. Some of us need to
know. Some of us have problems. It can't be the one topic one is never
allowed to discuss at all.
Lisi
On Saturday 01 April 2017 21:23:21 Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:
> On 4/1/17, cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 03:33:08PM +0000, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> >> In all this talk of Debian being the universal operating system, and
> >> helping
> >&
ead that page.
> >
> > I wonder what page that would be.
>
> The above link.
>
> > Here's the link you want:
> >> https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firm
> >>ware/
> >
> > I was wondering what a field engineer is, is it a fancy term for a
> > farmer?
>
> I'm on the list, reply to the list.
> Ask a proper question and get a proper answer.
> Google is your friend.
Or try wikipedia,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_engineer
(I looked up "field engineer")
Lisi
> Stupid Is As Stupid Does - Forrest Gump.
On Saturday 01 April 2017 18:59:48 cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 03:33:08PM +0000, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > In all this talk of Debian being the universal operating system, and
> > helping newbies ...
>
> I'm not sure those two concepts are re
On Saturday 01 April 2017 18:11:12 Liam O'Toole wrote:
> On 2017-03-31, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>
> (...)
>
> > We are part of the same sovereign state, but 4 nations.
>
> When you consider some of the Irish, yes. Most Irish people live in a
> different sovereign s
f
the politicians' imaginations. Banks trump factories.
Lisi
day" or "aptitude install next Thursday".
>
>
> Stefan "confused about this Debian thing"
:-) Sorry.
One of the best tempered reasonable objections I recall seeing.
Lisi
On Friday 31 March 2017 15:15:46 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, March 31, 2017 09:34:26 AM Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Friday 31 March 2017 14:04:03 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > To specify the Thursday before the last Thursday, use something like:
> > > "t
g that to the Welsh, the
Irish and the Scots!
Lisi
mong the very large number of Brits whom I
do not know!!
Lisi
down to Miami for a conference."
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/down
If one takes Yankee to mean New Yorker, then surely North Carolina is down??
We have country bumpkins in the Home Counties. And is London "up" or "down"
from York?
Lisi
On Wednesday 29 March 2017 20:46:00 kAt wrote:
> What do you mean down? You arrogant yankee?
Don't Yankees come from the United States?? Or is Curt an expat??
Lisi
On Tuesday 21 March 2017 12:11:00 Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 02:27:47AM +0000, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > Brian, I squirmed. "Data is" ... I can just about handle. I CANNOT
> > (yes, I can shout too!) handle "agenda is". Agenda are always m
On Friday 24 March 2017 19:57:56 Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:
> One more O.T. observation: Debian let me do a truly dumb thing, but I
> wouldn't have it any other way.
:-))) +1
Lisi
On Friday 24 March 2017 18:25:30 Joe wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Mar 2017 15:18:31 +
>
> Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Friday 24 March 2017 12:06:58 Joe wrote:
> > > I've mentioned recently that I once did a non-expert netinstall, in
> > > the days when I used static
On Friday 24 March 2017 17:34:58 Teemu Likonen wrote:
> Lisi Reisz [2017-03-24 17:13:21Z] wrote:
> > On Friday 24 March 2017 09:56:23 didier gaumet wrote:
> >> # dpkg-reconfigure -plow unattended-upgrades
> >
> > This is what I had missed! I have now run it.
>
&g
On Friday 24 March 2017 09:56:23 didier gaumet wrote:
> Le 24/03/2017 à 09:41, Lisi Reisz a écrit :
> [...]
>
> > Let's start with the file you mention:
> > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades It isn't there.
>
> the Debian wiki indicates that it has to be cre
had static IPs and chosen to use static
IPs. I have always been able to tell the installer so, and have ended up
with a properly configured network and a well-written network interfaces
file.
I now use DHCP with addresses fixed in the router via MAC address, so this
doesn't arise.
Lisi
On Friday 24 March 2017 12:06:58 Joe wrote:
> the user
> should be notified and asked whether to continue.
The user *is* notified and asked whether to continue. The user is not
*prevented* from continuing, should he or she be perverse enough to wish to
do so.
Lisi
d
DSL (Damn Small Linux) seem still to be alive and kicking. And to need a CD
or a USB stick.
Not all old computers will boot from a USB stick, Richard.
Lisi
ing your hands" is deleting the thread and moving on; it's not posting
> aggressive, toxic messages.
What we have *all* been losing sight of in this thread is that none of us can
do anything about it anyway. An installer proposal needs making to the
installer developers.
Lisi
On Thursday 23 March 2017 04:26:17 Teemu Likonen wrote:
> Lisi Reisz [2017-03-22 00:37:18Z] wrote:
> > How do I get unattended upgrades a) to function and b) to tell me when
> > it has upgraded something.
>
> Probably you need to add the following lines in the top of
Thank you for your further response. I have tried to answer your questions,
which will show you that I am completely at sea.
On Thursday 23 March 2017 09:03:01 didier gaumet wrote:
> Le 23/03/2017 à 02:06, Lisi Reisz a écrit :
> > Thank you. Yes, I have read and tried to follow it.
On Thursday 23 March 2017 22:54:13 Catherine Gramze wrote:
> > On Mar 23, 2017, at 6:44 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> >
> > On Thursday 23 March 2017 22:18:53 Catherine Gramze wrote:
> >>> Mar 23, 2017, at 2:46 PM, Lisi Reisz >>>
> >>> This is of co
On Thursday 23 March 2017 22:18:53 Catherine Gramze wrote:
> > Mar 23, 2017, at 2:46 PM, Lisi Reisz >
> > This is of course incorrect. But I doubt that I could refute it without
> > appearing aggressive again. :-(
>
> What part of what I said is incorrect?
Practically all of it.
Lisi
ntyre wrote:
> >
> > Please calm down, why the aggression? :-(
>
> Lisi is incensed with my suggestion that the netinst installer should
> refuse to continue if no network card is recognized and configured. She
> sincerely believes Debian is, and should be, only for exp
On Thursday 23 March 2017 18:03:35 Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Please calm down, why the aggression? :-(
Sorry.
Lisi
On Thursday 23 March 2017 16:48:56 Catherine Gramze wrote:
> > On Mar 23, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> >
> > Catherine Gramze wrote:
> >>> On Mar 20, 2017, at 10:02 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Particularly where you have
uiusvis hominis est errare. Greg is human too, and had been becoming more
and more exasperated. I can think of one or two of the highest value (IMHO)
people on this list who are sometimes very impolite. As I said to the victim
of one of them (and I too have been the "victim"), if you can't stand the
heat, get out of the kitchen.
Catherine *had* been told politely, repeatedly, but had not been willing
to "hear".
Lisi
ters would be greatly
welcomed.
Lisi
On Wednesday 22 March 2017 17:26:56 Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 03/22/2017 10:33 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Wednesday 22 March 2017 14:53:24 Richard Owlett wrote:
> >> On 03/22/2017 09:28 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday 22 March 2017 14:05:28 Richard Owlet
On Wednesday 22 March 2017 14:53:24 Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 03/22/2017 09:28 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Wednesday 22 March 2017 14:05:28 Richard Owlett wrote:
> >> The results of the 6 installs I intended to run:
> >> [the only variable being which DE related boxe
alled taking ~3.59 GB
> 6. MATE only checked
> MATE installed taking ~2.65 GB
> Tests 1-6 were run were run from a flash drive copy of DVD1.
Thanks, Richard. And are you able to confirm that, by default, the top entry
is checked, and you have to uncheck it to achieve option 1?
Lisi
# cat unattended-upgrades.log
With 0 result. (As above)
I have have run full-upgrade and looked for whether any security packages had
not been installed:
Current status: 5 updates [+5], 29069 new [+68].
root@Eros:/home/lisi# aptitude full-upgrade
The following packages will be upgraded:
imagemag
ect to.
The one who doesn't read what anyone else says, and who thinks that only she
is allowed to dictate, is you.
Though self-knowledge being every human's weak point, I'll accept pot and
kettle, so long as you do too and stop telling everyone else what to do.
Lisi
On Tuesday 21 March 2017 17:15:32 Catherine Gramze wrote:
> Sent from my iPad
Note it is sent from an iPad! Open Source all the way!
Incidentally, why did we need to know that?
Lisi
On Tuesday 21 March 2017 17:15:32 Catherine Gramze wrote:
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Mar 21, 2017, at 11:10 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> >> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 02:55:07PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday 21 March 2017 14:33:29 Catherine Gramze wro
rimental not be pinned, like backports? I've ner tried to use it.
Lisi
On Tuesday 21 March 2017 14:33:29 Catherine Gramze wrote:
> Refusing to continue an installation that will inevitably be a failure is
> how it should act.
Rot. It will not "inevitably be a failure". It can be a very good way out of
some problems.
Lisi
; what's on the screen?
Exactly that is what is under discussion! To avoid a desktop you have to make
a conscious decision and unselect it. Otherwise, if you just accept, accept,
accept, your way through an installation you don't understand, you end up
with a desktop.
Lisi
tterly idiotic things, and in the free world they have to be
allowed to do so.
Lisi
ddaughter may disagree, but she wouldn't dare do so with me in the
room!
Lisi
I can safely do some net install test installs.
I should be getting one next month. But again, the default certainly used to
be to have a desktop. I sometimes don't want oen - but land up with one if I
go to sleep. :-/
Lisi
On Tuesday 21 March 2017 00:19:52 Catherine Gramze wrote:
> > On Mar 20, 2017, at 7:51 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> >
> > That sounds as though it is the message that is at fault, not the
> > installer or installation method. It should perhaps mention that you
> > hav
age that is at fault, not the installer or
installation method. It should perhaps mention that you have to carry on to
get a desktop. Is this in the set of DVDs?
Lisi
On Monday 20 March 2017 20:29:31 Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 03/20/2017 03:06 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Monday 20 March 2017 09:46:45 Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> >> I don't have an installation image locally to test this as I write, but
> >> your messages ind
tall I landed up with
Gnome. I would expect that the net installation still defaults to a Gnome
desktop. I will try to test this in the near future.
Lisi
e are
lots of ways.
Whichever way you do it, you should certainly upgrade now!! Confusingly,
Debian uses the term upgrade for what you are meaning by update.
Lisi
ее линуксами не пользовался. Версия 64-битная.
This is the English speaking Debian-User list. You want:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-russian/
Lisi
zy on the laptop without any problems.
>
>
> Does anyone have an idea on how to solve the problem?
Download the file again and burn a new CD, preferably with a different
make/type of CD on a different drive - if you can manage it. Do check sums
carefully. Try again. If you still have the problem, tell us.
Lisi
he community if he
didn't want it.
But, I have a PAID FOR copy of Libranet 3. Somewhere. I loved, loved, loved
it. Nothing else can touch it - not even Debian itself!! And it had a logo
to die for. ;-)
Lisi
e moon is made of green
cheese and the earth is flat. Oh, and young ladies don't do that. We are
not going to worry about what we are told, are we?
Lisi
hat Windows be installable by all and sundry,
from scratch, on an empty machine.
Lisi
on it. That is great,
and good enough for me.
But if you want a dumbed down newbie distro, use a dumbed down newbie distro.
If Debian is too Geekish, leave it to the Geeks.
Meanwhile, Brian, not all of us are blessed with 35 year old brains and 20/20
vision.
Lisi
anted to try
GEdit, but I haven't got it and am disinclined to install half Gnome, on a
system which is wavering, just to try this. Sorry, Richard.
But it is obvious that some editors will do this. You just have to find one
you are prepared to install that does it. Kwrite-Trinity and KEdit-Trinity
can both do it.
Lisi
ongue
It is only those whose mother tongue is English surely, who would even
consider spelling "want to" as "wanna". Those whose mother tongue is NOT
English might well not know what "wanna" meant. They have after all, mostly,
learnt English at school. Would that those whose mother tongue is English
had done so!
Lisi
On Saturday 04 February 2017 13:16:23 Richard Owlett wrote:
> I have never had any contact with Knoppix so do not know if a
> similar procedure could be followed.
Knoppix is intended primarily as a Live CD, and last time I tried was quite
tricky to install.
Lisi
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