Re: Fwd: Re: [Somewhat More OT] Closed source software Was [Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]]

thing but an old Japanese laserdisc are pretty slim these days. Try googling for "song of the south" and see just how slim the odds are. begin:vcard fn:John C. Ellingboe - KE4BPW n:Ellingboe;John C. org:The Guntersville Computer Center email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Ow

Re: Debian User List

Greg Folkert wrote: On Sat, 2007-03-31 at 20:45 -0500, John C wrote: Greg Folkert wrote: On Sat, 2007-03-31 at 13:45 -0700, Tyler MacDonald wrote: Matus UHLAR - fantomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Actually, I would prefer if [OT] messages would be kept [OOTL] (out of this list)

Re: Debian User List

Greg Folkert wrote: On Sat, 2007-03-31 at 13:45 -0700, Tyler MacDonald wrote: Matus UHLAR - fantomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Actually, I would prefer if [OT] messages would be kept [OOTL] (out of this list) I said this once before and got shot down, but here it is again: If this list is

Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

``Microsoft Tax''. without "representation" .. So when's our Boston Tea Party? It's in progress courtesy of Richard Stallman. "Free Software Foundation (FSF) *Boston Mass*" :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROT

Re: Debian GUI

rt the cdroms as asked. I believe that will work but have never used it since I manually select packages. Also as Debian Users, we want to keep this tread alive through the list so that others can add additional help and/or benefit from the discussion, so I'm posting this through the li

Re: Debian GUI

Toshko wrote: Hi, I have just installed debian 3.1, and have all the 14 cds. however, i do not know which one the GUI is on, and how to load the cds from the text interface for that matter. Can you help me please? It's been a while since I've used it, but I believe you want the apt-cdrom

Re: OT

Joey is absolutely right, but the OT posters just keep going and going and going and in the process they are degrading the usefulness of this list. Don't misunderstand me, I certainly don't mind OT posts now and then. Some are useful, some are amusing, and occasionally some are even intellige

Re: top post fixer?

Steve Lamb wrote: John C wrote: It's kinda like a religious fanaticism... "everyone should act and believe like I do". And yes, you're absolutely right - there is too much bile being spewed at top posters. No, it's not. It's called a convention for commu

Re: top post fixer?

is not evil. Scrool down if you want to read the original message. */Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: John C wrote: >> I would rather be exposed to the inconvenience attending too much Liberty >> than those attending too small degree of it. >&g

Re: [OT] Re: top post fixer?

celejar wrote: On 1/22/07, Dave Sherohman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, Jan 22, 2007 at 10:25:23AM -0600, John C wrote: > >I would rather be exposed to the inconvenience attending too much Liberty > >than those attending too small degree of it. > > - Thomas J

Re: top post fixer?

I would rather be exposed to the inconvenience attending too much Liberty than those attending too small degree of it. - Thomas Jefferson If you really believe this quote, why do you insist that bottom posting is the only *correct* way to go? By the way, I do love the quote. :-) John --

Re: where is the bash documentation in info format ?

John Hasler wrote: John C writes: By the way several users have stated that it's not about DRM. That may very well be true, but I have still not found anything that confirmed that Debian has accepted and/or found that the DRM restrictions did not apply. As I understand it GFDL docu

Re: where is the bash documentation in info format ?

Kevin Mark wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 04:21:31PM -0600, John C wrote: Many in the Free Software Movement consider Debian and Ubuntu to be not "free" enough because they contain "non-free" software. It's one of

Re: where is the bash documentation in info format ?

Andrew Saunders wrote: On 1/18/07, John C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: By the way several users have stated that it's not about DRM. That may very well be true, but I have still not found anything that confirmed that Debian has accepted and/or found that the DRM restrictions di

Re: where is the bash documentation in info format ?

Greg Folkert wrote: On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 16:21 -0600, John C wrote: John Hasler wrote: John writes: So I find it ironic (and a little absurd) that a disagreement over who's more free than the other has resulted in Debian moving GNU documentation into the non-free area in order to pr

Re: where is the bash documentation in info format ?

John Hasler wrote: John writes: So I find it ironic (and a little absurd) that a disagreement over who's more free than the other has resulted in Debian moving GNU documentation into the non-free area in order to protect the freedom of DRM media to restrict the rights of others. You aren't m

Re: where is the bash documentation in info format ?

Is it possible to be a Debian user and not having heard about all the fuss surrounding the GFDL? ;-) http://wiki.debian.org/GFDLPositionStatement Of course it's not possible - it's been a loud fuss - and I've also read several position papers from both Debian and the Free Software Founda

Re: wireless adapter/card recommendations?

Wayne Topa wrote: In an effort to save you the pain of a smashing a good wireless card, I rushed to my wifi library, found what I though to be a match, and rushed to get to you before you completed the deed. These old eyes are not what they used to be. I'm glad you already knew about the

Re: wireless adapter/card recommendations?

celejar wrote: On 1/18/07, Wayne Topa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] The TRENDnet TEW-423PI is listed on as working perfectly with madwifi on Debian. Wayne There are 2 revisions of the 423PI; one with the TI ACX111 that has linux support and one

Re: where is the bash documentation in info format ?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, It looks like another case of the Debian/GNU policy conflict. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=357260 Oh dear As a engineer, all this legal stuff is quite !"%£$" for me :( 'The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers' (Henry VI, Ac

Re: [ANNOUNCE] tdapp-defaults: localization and themeing

Michelle Konzack wrote: Dear Debian Developers, Mentors, Womens, Contributors and Users, first of all Happy new Year and may this new year bring us many new ideas and continuing best GNU/Linux distribution of the world. Happy New Year Michelle! Since my Website was closed for 16 month (I h

Re: wireless adapter/card recommendations?

Micha Feigin wrote: On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:11:41 -0600 John C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: celejar wrote: On 1/9/07, John C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi folks, I'm in the process of changing my home network from wired to wireless and am trying to find a card for a deskt

Re: [OT] Re:This URL crashes Konqueror.....?

Every authoritative opinion I've read on the subject supports these points. "authoritative opinion" = the opinion expressed matches the opinion of the receiver. It has little to do with reality. But what has all this got to do with debian? linux? the OP's question? If we try real hard

Re: wireless adapter/card recommendations?

celejar wrote: On 1/9/07, John C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi folks, I'm in the process of changing my home network from wired to wireless and am trying to find a card for a desktop that will work effortlessly with etch/sid. Preferably one whose drivers are already available

wireless adapter/card recommendations?

Hi folks, I'm in the process of changing my home network from wired to wireless and am trying to find a card for a desktop that will work effortlessly with etch/sid. Preferably one whose drivers are already available as part of debian. So far I've not done well and purchased one that did n

Re: New Debian user

Niels Rasmussen wrote: Oh boy oh boy :-) Well i did use the graphical installer which is quite nice despite some translations hickups ! It was all a matter of hitting Enter and Space and define some password for root and user. Apparantly it did find it all... BUT: Right now I in

Re: Changing cable modum to ADSL modum.

Russell L. Harris wrote: * Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [061216 17:13]: Hi John, from my experience, most ISP use a device that outputs plain ole ethernet. My dsl service use a westell 6100. I'd suspect that it just uses ethernet with no PPPOE. Which means, as you suspect, you just plug it i

Re: Changing cable modum to ADSL modum.

Kevin Mark wrote: On Sat, Dec 16, 2006 at 01:09:44PM -0600, John C wrote: Hi all, I'm looking for a simple way for a windows-only user to change a computer's network settings from a cable modem to an ADSL modem. I was under the impression that my granddaughter, who lives h

Re: Changing cable modum to ADSL modum.

Douglas Tutty wrote: * John C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [061216 13:13]: Hi all, I'm looking for a simple way for a windows-only user to change a computer's network settings from a cable modem to an ADSL modem. I was under the impression that my granddaughter, who lives hundre

Changing cable modum to ADSL modum.

Hi all, I'm looking for a simple way for a windows-only user to change a computer's network settings from a cable modem to an ADSL modem. I was under the impression that my granddaughter, who lives hundreds of miles from me, had a cable ISP. In an attempt to educate the next generation, I've

Re: No xterm (or equivalents) immediately accessible in default etch

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We in Linux heavily use the command-line. So, I was dismayed when my new Debian etch version displayed a Gnome interface WITHOUT ANY XTERM (or GNOME-TERMINAL or KONSOLE) and not even any immediate panel options for these terminals. Gnome's "Add to Panel" includes a t

Install of VMware

Hi, Found in the archives that others have loaded vmware on Debian 2.2 w/o too much difficulty. But I had one small problem trying with the install of the current release for Linux. It did not find any prebuilt vmnet modules that worked and wanted to build one. When it asked for the headers lo

Re: new logo on debian.org

Khalid EZZARAOUI wrote: > > "John C. Ellingboe" wrote: > > > > > I'm with you also. The chick connected us with Linux but the new logo > > doesnt do anything for me at all. > > > > John C. Ellingboe > > don't you never

Re: new logo on debian.org

gt; I'm with you also. The chick connected us with Linux but the new logo doesnt do anything for me at all. John C. Ellingboebegin:vcard n:Ellingboe - KE4BPW;John C. x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:The Guntersville Computer Center version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Owner/Admin note:www.guntersville.net x-mozilla-cpt:;0 fn:John C. Ellingboe - KE4BPW end:vcard

Re: We need centralized accounts -- Any docs for ldap passwords?

Hello, Have you looked into Freeside at http://www.sisd.com/freeside. Its is for ISP admin/billing and may provide what you want. John C. Ellingboe www.guntersville.net Sergey V Kovalyov wrote: > > > > libpam-ldap will allow password change. The rest have to be done > &

Re: Bigbrother question

u may also want to go to the bb-dnld area and get version 1.2a since it is much improved from the 1.08 that is in the .deb file. John C. Ellingboe www.guntersville.net Christian Dysthe wrote: > > Hi, > > I have installed the Bigbrother deb, but after having spent hourrs trying to

Re: Monitoring remote server

Hey Christian, Big Brother 1.08 isn't unstable at all. Go to http://maclawran.ca/bb-dnld and get the latest tar ball (1.09b or c). It has many nice features and runs very well. John C. Ellingboe www.guntersville.net Christian Dysthe wrote: > > Hi, > > we have recently gott

Re: OFFTOPIC: How about a /dev/clipboard ?

I notice that dselect has offix-clipboard and there used to be a xclipboard, but dselect doesent find it in stablr now. I haven't used either one so I can't comment on how well they work. John C. Ellingboe www.guntersville.netbegin: vcard fn: John C. Ellingboe

Re: laser postscript BW printer versus ink jet printer.

igh end printing options like "vax" it seems. What does VAX have to do with color printing??? The VAX is a Digital/Compaq computer and the forerunner to the Alpha systems. The VAX computer can print color just as good as any other system using the same printer. John C. Ell

Re: diskless box: fanless too ?

Michael Stenner wrote: > > On Tue, 4 May 1999, John C. Ellingboe wrote: > >Michael Stenner wrote: > >> I disagree that the cpu would need a fan - I used to run a very old P60 > >> (a REALLY hot chip) without a fan (fan kept breaking...) and it was > >>

Re: diskless box: fanless too ?

, how much can you complain about a Dual PII 400? > > Michael Stenner Office Phone: 919-660-2513 > Duke University, Dept. of Physics [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Box 90305, Durham N.C. 27708-0305 > John C. Ellingboe www.guntersville.netbegin:

Re: Problem with taper

ubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null Delete the file /root/taper_prefs and start taper with the -T (tape dev) option. You will have to resetup your preferences. John C. Ellingboe www.guntersville.netbegin: vcard fn: John C. Ellingboe - KE4BPW n:

Re: Can Windows95 cause error on my Linux Drive.

ll of the M$ stuff on its own disk so it could never access my Linux disks in any way. You have been warned... John C. Ellingboe Person, Roderick wrote: > > Hey All, > > Recently, I added a new drive to my system as the slave 2nd drive. > Therefore, I made my old drive a Win95

Re: ip-up question

suppose I could run 'pon' as > a user, but I would have to go in and change a lot of permissions, so I > run it as root, it's just as easy). > > Catch ya l8r, > Peter Ludwig > > -- > Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/nullbegin:

help Leafnode again

t, still with no joy at getting the active groups. Fetch and leafnode can't open /var/spool/news/leaf.node/groupinfo and netscape still indicates that the group information file doesn't exist. Suggestions please. TIA John C. Ellingboebegin: vcard fn: John Ellin

Re: Need help with Leafnode/Netscape

I finally found them. John C. Ellingboe www.guntersville.net Frankie wrote: > > Dave Swegen wrote: > > > > You could try going into /etc/hosts.allow and changing the hostnames for > > leafnode so that they use numeric values instead (ie change 'localhost&#

Need help with Leafnode/Netscape

/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/leafnode, and also entries in /etc/hosts.allow that was added by the leafnode install. Any help/suggestions are appreciated. John C. Ellingboe www.guntersville.netbegin: vcard fn: John Ellingboe n: Ellingboe;John org:The Gu

Need help with Leafnode/Netscape

/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/leafnode, and also entries in /etc/hosts.allow that was added by the leafnode install. Any help/suggestions are appreciated. John C. Ellingboe www.guntersville.netbegin: vcard fn: John Ellingboe n: Ellingboe;John org:The Gu

[off topic] Video 7 video board

Hello, Does anyone have an idea were to find the switch/jumper setup on an old video seven 8 bit board. John C. Ellingboe

Re: plog

Jim Foltz wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 14, 1999 at 10:39:25PM -0500, Ben Collins wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 14, 1999 at 08:32:47PM -0700, Robert Kerr wrote: > > > When I type plog I get this: > > > > > > tail: /var/log/ppp.log: Permission denied > > > > > > the attributes for ppp.log are > > > -rw-r-

Re: Winmodem?

Winmodems and windows printers only work with M$ windoze. The drivers are proprietary and written only for m$ stuff. John Brent Hueth wrote: > > I've just installed the base Debian system, and haven't been able to get > my modem to respond so I can install the rest. I found a description of >

Re: Running seperate eth0 & ppp0 networks

et address] dev eth0 and use the "default route" option for ppp to get to everything on the internet. I ran this way for some time and it worked fine for access to either route. John C. Ellingboe > > Your default route should stay on your ethernet. I think there are ip.up > an

Re: Debian installation hangs

The only lead I had to a location for slink 1440 floppy images gives an error now. Maybe someone else will come up with a URL. I'm afraid you will probably need someone with more in-depth knowledge than me to solve the problem. John Mark Weston wrote: > > On 10 Dec 98, at 11

Adaptec aha1740 errors

Hello, I have a Dell EISA server box with a Adaptec AHA1740 controller that has been working well for some time now. Lately I get messages on the console "aha1740[xx]_mbxout wait!" ,the xx is a random number, but the system seems to be functioning properly. Is this something that I should be conc

Re: HP Laser Jet 5L anyone?

Install the HP Laser Jet 5L as a HP Laser Jet 4L in Magicfilter and it will work proper. Also install gs-aladdin, its fonts and other related document converters. Print from Netscape as postscript and Magicfilter/Gs will convert it and send it to the printer. John Mark Wagnon wrote: > > I've e

Re: Another Dewbie question

Ed Cogburn wrote: > > John Watts wrote: > > > > Hello all, > > > > I'm trying to do a stealth installation of Debian 2.0.34 on an old P75 > > system at > > work and am having some problems. > > '2.0.34' refers to the version of the Linux *kernel* being used, not > the Debian distribution

Re: modem and PPP trouble

Hey Joshua, You may have a winmodem version if it's an internal plug and pray card. There is no support for winmodems in Linux. If you are not sure run pnpdump and it will tell you if it is. John Joshua Wilson wrote: > > I recently installed Debian GNU/Linux, and I am having a terrible time >

Re: Diald doesn't do proper pap athentication

Hello Thanks Jens. That did the trick. Diald is working perfect now. John -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null

Diald doesn't do proper pap athentication

Hello, I am trying to setup Diald on my Debian Linux system. The system dials my provider and connects up but refuses to do pap authentication. The pon/poff works properly and does do pap authentication. I used the same dial script used with pon as suggested in the diald example documentation.

Re: School Proof-of-concept network

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > It is a vision of mine that linux will be used more in schools, making more > computing resources available, without encumbrances of commercial software. snip > 486 linux garbage can computer (in part to show what can be done). Should be fine for the job. > snip

Re: Hamm problem. (XDM, maybe)

James Brown (Ender/Gcc) wrote: > > Hi, >I've just upgraded my system to Hamm, but after a reboot the screen > flashs from text to graphics > mode, and back. I think it might be XDM, as X Windows doesnt load... > > Any suggestions on how I can stop this? I dont want to format my H/D, > and I c

Re: Repeated messages?

I have been getting the same thing but from every mailing list I'm on. And it's going around for the second time now. John Steve Lamb wrote: > > On Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:59:05 -0400, Evan Van Dyke wrote: > > >Is it just me, or am I getting messages from two or three days ago again? > > It is

Secure credit card transactions

Hello, Sometime ago there was a thread on the list about secure credit card transaction software. I have searched the archives and may have not reconized the subject. Could the person/s that pointed the requester in the right directions to find the required software packages please repost your r

Questions - nic ident and stuff

Hello to the list, Hopefully someone on the list will be able to identify a couple of network cards I have and recomend what drivers to use for them. 1. Novell Inc. ISA card (designed by Novel manufactured by Microdyne) major chip is DP83905AVQB AT/LANTIC ( 3COM 905 )

Re: printing

Hi, I went ahead and installed magicfilter and it got the printer going. I kinda figured that if I got things working in text mode first I might have less problems later but it turned out just the opposite. Thanks all, John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsu

Printing

Hi, I am using Debian Linux 1.3.1 on a 486-DX40 (Cyrix). The FTP Linux installation is about two weeks old. Originally I could print to lp using the generic printer in printcap, but got the classic stair step effect on my HP LaserJet 5L. After editing my printcap file and adding the filter scri

Edit

Hi, While installing packages with DSELECT I have apparently purged the default debian editor. Could somewone tell me what the default system editor is so I can replace it. TIA John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: How to build Debian Linux cluster?

you, > Sasha. > snip I am fairly new at Linux but I ran across this on the net and saved the URL for later reference. It is the Beowulf project that connects many small Linux PCs into a parallel computing environment. http://cesdis1.gsfc.nasa.gov/beowulf/ John C. Ellingboe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: PINE Debian Package

Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > Hi, > >>"George" == George Bonser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > SNIP Hello to the list I must stand by the Pine package maintainer on this issue. The maintainer should not be expected to put himself in a bad legal position for anyone just so they can have a convenie

Re:Xwindows

ssages appear to me like the Xclient isn't coming up for the server to connect to. Being new to Linux I have found that many things take several tries to get them right. Also so much of the how-tos are slanted toward Slackware and Redhat and are just enough different from Debian to cause so

Xwindows

ill provide any output necessary on request. Also where and what file/s do I get to install a stable version of Netscape with this version of Debian. Thanks in advance for any help. John C. Ellingboe [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "u

Re: .ps or .pdf editing app

lution. In the past, with no conversion utility handy, I displayed the postscript file in one window and coppied/Pasted it to my favorite editor in another window. I've done this many times on the VAX with Xwindows and surprised my friends with less capable windowing systems by providing them w

Re: Running just an X-server

Also try Reflection by WRQ. I have found it to be very good in the past. Go to http://www.wrq.com and ask for an evaluation copy. John C. Ellingboe [EMAIL PROTECTED] >There are two X-clients for Win. You will find them at > >1) www.microimages.com > This is a free Win95/NT serve

Re: Console blanks trying to install 1.2 from floppies...

Jens B. Jorgensen: > John C. Ruttenberg wrote: > > > > ... on a Micron Mellenia Transport notebook. > > > > It gets as far as probing for a Sanyo CDROM and starting to initialize it > > and > > then the screen goes blank and seems to relight it. >

Console blanks trying to install 1.2 from floppies...

... on a Micron Mellenia Transport notebook. It gets as far as probing for a Sanyo CDROM and starting to initialize it and then the screen goes blank and seems to relight it. Has anyone seen a similar problem? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PR

Bug#6050: Console blanks trying to install 1.2 from floppies...

Package: Resque.bin Version: 1.2 ... on a Micron Mellenia Transport notebook. It gets as far as probing for a Sanyo CDROM and starting to initialize it and then the screen goes blank and seems to relight it. Has anyone seen a similar problem?