e " did not know that exists...
"The more we know, the more we know the little we know"...
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Bret Busby
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bian.org/debian-user/ "
Simple, but (should be) effective.
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On 11/7/25 00:04, Andy Smith wrote:
Hello,
On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 11:50:41PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
On 10/7/25 23:10, Andy Smith wrote:
I'm telling you how things are
Those are the words that are problematic - "I am the absolute authority and
the absolute expert regardi
On 10/7/25 23:10, Andy Smith wrote:
I'm telling you how things are
Those are the words that are problematic - "I am the absolute authority
and the absolute expert regarding what is happening..."
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On 3/7/25 17:10, Bret Busby wrote:
On 3/7/25 15:08, Alexander V. Makartsev wrote:
On 03.07.2025 09:35, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
On Thu, Jul 03, 2025 at 08:25:27AM +0500, Alexander V. Makartsev wrote:
On 03.07.2025 04:47,fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote:
i'm looking for a reader for pdf&
gt;>>> are there any running debian or other linux based distributions
"
"
"So once you do know what the question actually is,
you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
"The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
A Trilogy In Four Parts",
written by Douglas Adams,
published by Pan Books, 1992
"
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Bret Busby
Armadale
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On 7/6/25 21:05, Alain D D Williams wrote:
On Sat, Jun 07, 2025 at 08:32:55PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
You could not reach the speed of light
Ah, yes, ... and man can never fly...
We are bound by the laws of physics, just because you really, really, really
want to dodge round them does not
On 7/6/25 21:05, Alain D D Williams wrote:
On Sat, Jun 07, 2025 at 08:32:55PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
You could not reach the speed of light
Ah, yes, ... and man can never fly...
We are bound by the laws of physics, just because you really, really, really
want to dodge round them does not
On 7/6/25 18:56, Alain D D Williams wrote:
On Sat, Jun 07, 2025 at 06:14:55PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
According to the Doppler theory (I believe it was - this is from some
decades ago), if you would be travelling toward a set of traffic lights, at
the speed of light,
You could not reach the
On 7/6/25 19:42, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
(There is a Nobel prize waiting for those who can explain why the Higgs
bosons jostle so much around fast moving objects of non-zero rest
mass ...)
That seems like a mutiny by Higgs' bosun...
;)
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On 7/6/25 18:14, Bret Busby wrote:
On 7/6/25 17:26, gene heskett wrote:
On 6/7/25 02:52, Bret Busby wrote:
It is all relative...
Yes it is, but you would be amazed at the supposedly intelligent
people who will argue the a 5 foot long low uhf band klystron
amplifier as used until the 1985
On 7/6/25 17:26, gene heskett wrote:
On 6/7/25 02:52, Bret Busby wrote:
It is all relative...
Yes it is, but you would be amazed at the supposedly intelligent people
who will argue the a 5 foot long low uhf band klystron amplifier as used
until the 1985 time frame, is immune to E=MV2 math
understand hundred of commands that didn't exist when I started.
Go ahead, sit for the CET test. That will test your intimate knowledge
of Albert Einsteins work, among other things.
Ask me something about electronics, or relativity, I can still do that.
It is all relative...
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On 7/6/25 06:47, Andy Smith wrote:
Hi,
On Sat, Jun 07, 2025 at 06:03:59AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
This has been mentioned before - you have not explained why you have not
tried it.
Someone even did the google search for you, and, posted the link.
I do not know how far you expect people to
google search for you, and, posted the link.
I do not know how far you expect people to go, to do for you what you
need to do.
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fastfetch
https://github.com/fastfetch-cli/fastfetch
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Bret Busby
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ch - that will show the relevant system
information for the interface.
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On 4/6/25 06:43, Bret Busby wrote:
On 4/6/25 05:29, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Tue, Jun 03, 2025 at 22:05:33 +0100, Darac Marjal wrote:
On 03/06/2025 21:27, gene heskett wrote:
I'm using tbird 139, and it has grown vertically to expect the full
screen of 1040 lines, meaning the bottom 2
where on a window. Now you can move the
window anywhere.
Hold down Alt then right-click anywhere on a window. Now you can resize the
window.
Source:
https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/156435/how-can-i-make-windows-easier-to-resize-in-xfce
If it's not XFCE,
Methinks it is...
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Bret
1.5x may be Scooter)
In the USA, for flip ups, are these
https://rx-safety.com/shop/master-safety-glasses/safety-readers-bifocals/clip-on-magnifiers/clip-on-magnifying-reading-glasses/
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Bret Busby
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his a known bug? Or is it a feature?
Thanks for mentioning atril. It's very fast, and DOES land on the
correct page.
Have you tried evince? It is in Debian stable and it is simple and basic
and it works well.
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Bret Busby
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On 3/6/25 03:44, Richard Owlett wrote:
If RETIREMENT isn't for learning, "What use is it?"
I believe that the whole of life is an education, for people willing to
learn.
"The more we know, the more we know the little we know."
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Bret Busby
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erely suggesting something that I had found helpful, that might
not occur to everyone - using reading glasses had not occurred to me, as
being necessary, until the recommendation from the optometrist.
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Bret Busby
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t magnification for you)
are available in varying magnifications, from 1.5x to about 3.0x
magnification, and, using such spectacles, can make a significant
difference, when reading ridiculously small fonts.
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On 2/6/25 06:08, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
On Sun, Jun 1, 2025, 4:51 PM Bret Busby <mailto:b...@busby.net>> wrote:
On 2/6/25 05:35, nsrx...@bruttocarattere.org
<mailto:nsrx...@bruttocarattere.org> wrote:
>> Perhaps, you should have specified which pa
On 2/6/25 05:50, Darac Marjal wrote:
On 01/06/2025 22:11, Bret Busby wrote:
On 2/6/25 04:18, Chris Green wrote:
Marco Moock wrote:
On 01.06.2025 12:30 Uhr Chris Green wrote:
Up until now I have always stayed with Intel CPU and Intel Graphics
because of the solid Linux support but the
tion, cannot be reasonably
expected to occur.
If you find that offensive, then perhaps, you should learn some problem
solving skills.
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Bret Busby
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d whether support
is provided.
"So once you do know what the question actually is,
you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
"The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
A Trilogy In Four Parts",
written by Douglas Adams,
published by
ave a
more ready-made solution to solve this need? If not, that's not a big problem—I
just want to stay close to the state-of-the-art.
Thanks
I do not understand why a subscription to the announce list
(https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/debian-announce) would not suffice.
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Bret Busby
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32, 1x USB 2.0
The ram is going to be your biggest issue.
Potato will definitely work, and can boot from floppy if you can find one.
What is Potato? Is that about 3.0, or 3.1?
Would it still be supported with security patches?
If not, would it not be unsafe to use to connect to the Internet
videos, you are best using yt-dlp.
Search for it.
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Bret Busby
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ows the Mate desktop to be v1.26.0-1 .
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error.
I have questions about enabling/disabling WiFi.
To ask in intelligently I must be familiar with the documentation.
Where do I find it?
TIA
Two things that you might want to try.
1. Ask the questions here.
2. view
https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/plucky/en/man8/NetworkManager.8.html
my ad blockers, has updated in
the last couple of days, so, it could be a retaliatory strike from
youtube, which I believe is owned by one of president donald duck's
mates, in his reign of nastiness.
So, I believe that the use of yt-dlp is the only solution. It still
works (at present).
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On 7/3/25 01:57, Bret Busby wrote:
On 7/3/25 01:32, songbird wrote:
i currently use firefox and have mostly been ok with it.
would like to try something else.
currently running testing.
any that have any filtering capabilities? yt and a few
other sites are intolerable without a
in an indefinite loop, until the web page is closed...
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Bret Busby
Armadale
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On 9/3/25 02:22, Richmond wrote:
Where is Iceweasel?
Over there...
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Bret Busby
Armadale
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this
https://vivaldi.com/
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Bret Busby
Armadale
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U's,
and a runny nose to go with it. Do you have a tissue? Achoo! Achoo!"
;)
--
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Bret Busby
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quot;Open with" in a menu, thence,
to select Evince to open the file.
If you are trying top access the file through some other method, I have
no idea of what you are trying to do, or, why.
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Bret Busby
Armadale
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it is
the old proverb - "You never know, unless you try".
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Bret Busby
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would not access the wunderground web site with Firefox. Too destructive.
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Bret Busby
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ed by your motherboard.
Those are simply my opinions.
Oh, and, a dedicated Firefox mailing list exists, as has, I believe,
been previously mentioned on this mailing list.
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Bret Busby
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On 7/2/25 05:20, Russell Stinnett wrote:
So, again, I apologize for the spam. I don't know of another way to test
it.
Stop it, or you will go blind...
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Bret Busby
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u for that info.
# apt -t bookworm-backports install yt-dlp youtubedl-gui
And now I can successfully download videos from YouTube, either from command
line or GUI.
yt-dlp --version
2025.01.15
What does yours show?
(also, I note, for me to try next time, --write-auto-subs)
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Bret Busby
Arm
On 31/1/25 16:24, George at Clug wrote:
On Friday, 31-01-2025 at 18:57 Bret Busby wrote:
On 31/1/25 14:50, George at Clug wrote:
Does anyone use Firefox to watch DRM protected Video content?
Is it normal for DRM to display lots of ads whenever Firefox is loaded?
I did enable DRM once, a
nload the videos, and, watch the videos with your
preference of video viewer?
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On 31/1/25 05:16, George at Clug wrote:
Bret,
Thanks for replying.
On Friday, 31-01-2025 at 07:31 Bret Busby wrote:
On 31/1/25 04:05, George at Clug wrote:
On Friday, 31-01-2025 at 01:11 Bret Busby wrote:
On 30/1/25 17:44, D MacDougall wrote:
On 1/29/25 21:20, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
On
On 31/1/25 04:05, George at Clug wrote:
On Friday, 31-01-2025 at 01:11 Bret Busby wrote:
On 30/1/25 17:44, D MacDougall wrote:
On 1/29/25 21:20, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
On Wed, Jan 29, 2025 at 12:28:55PM -0800, Donald MacDougall wrote:
I've been using Zoom from the beginning of the C
o record and transmit back to the car manufacturer's headquarters, such
material as upskirt videos and photographs, for the pleasure of the
world's richest pervert.
Who needs or wants privacy and security, anyway?
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ions of it), and, I understand that jitsi is (or was) regarded as
less sinister and ominous than zoom.
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lease help me out.
Moe
Maybe consider this
https://librewolf.net/
?
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On 26/1/25 00:33, Greg wrote:
On 2025-01-25, Bret Busby wrote:
Someone has already claimed ownership of the first of the two; about
bucketing the CIA.
OT.
relevant to thread, curtsy sue
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misuse, has not yet been
claimed...
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On 25/1/25 17:48, Tim Woodall wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jan 2025, Roger Price wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jan 2025, Bret Busby wrote:
"X-Message-Flag Supplemental report sent to reaper.nsa.gov. rc=0"
This comes from a customized-hdrs entry in my .pinerc added as a joke
by a
As there clearl
On 25/1/25 11:34, Will Mengarini wrote:
On Sat, Jan 25, 2025 at 06:12:30AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
In viewing the full header of the above message (to try to find
which country or timezone, is the origin of the message sent
to the mailing list, for an extraneous reason), I observed a
weird
On 25/1/25 07:36, Charles Curley wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 23:31:44 +0100 (CET)
Roger Price wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jan 2025, Bret Busby wrote:
"X-Message-Flag Supplemental report sent to reaper.nsa.gov. rc=0"
This comes from a customized-hdrs entry in my .pinerc added as a joke
b
On 25/1/25 06:31, Roger Price wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jan 2025, Bret Busby wrote:
"X-Message-Flag Supplemental report sent to reaper.nsa.gov. rc=0"
This comes from a customized-hdrs entry in my .pinerc added as a joke by a
friend many years ago. I am a long time pine user, and it has be
rnment"
:-<
"Just because we are paranoid, does not mean they are not out to get us..."
{;-{)}
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On 25/1/25 06:31, Roger Price wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jan 2025, Bret Busby wrote:
"X-Message-Flag Supplemental report sent to reaper.nsa.gov. rc=0"
This comes from a customized-hdrs entry in my .pinerc added as a joke by a
friend many years ago. I am a long time pine user, and it has be
mply under surveillance by the NSA?
Thank you in anticipation.
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vernment"? Help me tie my shoelaces"?
If a person interested in the thread, from the wording of the Subject
field, reads the messages in the thread, then, the person will see the
message where the original poster advises that the problem is solved.
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he web server to see if it should
notify you of things.
(or continually doing unauthorised things to your computer, with its
activities making unauthorised use of your computer, like stealing
processing time)
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from .25% to over 100% on different
youtube processes. Not sure why it would need to do that on an idle tab.
On Mon, Jan 13, 2025 at 7:10 PM David Wright <mailto:deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk>> wrote:
On Tue 14 Jan 2025 at 00:49:49 (+0800), Bret Busby wrote:
> I generally work o
On 14/1/25 01:35, poc...@homemail.com wrote:
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2025 at 10:03 AM
From: "Bret Busby"
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: What is going on with firefox
On 13/1/25 22:26, Daniel Harris wrote:
Hello
I am a very long time happy firefox user using deb
could have been longer.
A problem that can occur, is when the javascript in some web sites,
keeps consuming resources, until the resources are swamped by javascript
gunk.
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On 14/1/25 00:33, Bret Busby wrote:
On 14/1/25 00:19, Bret Busby wrote:
On 13/1/25 23:55, Michael Kjörling wrote:
On 13 Jan 2025 14:26 +, from mail.dhar...@googlemail.com (Daniel
Harris):
Come on firefox devs
Probably not many of those on the debian-user mailing list; and even
if
On 14/1/25 00:19, Bret Busby wrote:
On 13/1/25 23:55, Michael Kjörling wrote:
On 13 Jan 2025 14:26 +, from mail.dhar...@googlemail.com (Daniel
Harris):
Come on firefox devs
Probably not many of those on the debian-user mailing list; and even
if there are, a post to an unrelated
n, such as Firefox, on an operating system list, such as this,
may seem inappropriate, with such queries and posts, being more
appropriately addressed to lists dedicated to each particular
application, it might be that it is not necessarily, that simple.
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On 13/1/25 23:03, Bret Busby wrote:
On 13/1/25 22:26, Daniel Harris wrote:
Hello
I am a very long time happy firefox user using debian stable, but what
on earth is going on with firefox lately. It is terrible. So slow
and why is it not possible to have 2 separate instances anymore.
So
are the other specifications of
your computer?
If you are running an 80386 with 32MB of RAM, firefox will probably be a
bit slow.
Statements like in the post above, are like complaining that your back
hurts, with no other information.
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sal of the
person to act appropriately, despite repeated referrals to the Ubuntu
users list, is annoying.
Of course, we could always open this list up to solving BSD problems, too...
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Bret Busby
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file.
From where? How are you trying to download it?
Also, this is not a Ubuntu list.
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
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but, that now has a different effect in Firefox.
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On 13/12/24 06:08, Van Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 2024-12-13 at 05:41 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
On 13/12/24 05:36, Van Snyder wrote:
On Thu, 2024-12-12 at 12:26 +, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk
<mailto:debian-u...@howorth.org.uk> wrote:
Van Snyder mailto:van.sny...@sbcglobal.net>
<ma
On 13/12/24 05:41, Bret Busby wrote:
On 13/12/24 05:36, Van Snyder wrote:
On Thu, 2024-12-12 at 12:26 +, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote:
Van Snyder <mailto:van.sny...@sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
After Firefox has been running for a few days my Debian 12.5 gets
really slow. The mo
herboard.
Both RAM sockets have 4 GB installed, but dmidecode says only one is
working. Hmmm.
If you install and run fastfetch, what does that show for the RAM?
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anticipation (that does not mean that I will repost,
without your permission).
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, lets the user choose which viewer
and configurations of the viewer, to enhance the viewing.
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8-core i7
with 32 GB that had been under my desk; they expected me to get by with
my home antique. I retired eighteen months later.
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Armadale
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Graphics, the
maximum memory speed supported is 1666 MHz
* Go to GIGABYTE's website for the latest memory support list."
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lient-side processing.
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On 12/12/24 06:01, Van Snyder wrote:
On Thu, 2024-12-12 at 05:32 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
The symptom remains that if I kill firefox and restart it, things run a
lot faster for a few hours, and then bog down again.
I believe that 4GB of RAM is now not enough for web browsing, especially
with
On 12/12/24 05:25, Van Snyder wrote:
On Thu, 2024-12-12 at 04:33 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
After Firefox has been running for a few days my Debian 12.5 gets really
slow. The mouse jerks when it works at all. It takes a minute or two for
wndows to close or top. At the moment, Firefox has 19
sing the computer
to not feel well, and "fall over".
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n for tracking users and selling their personal
information.
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at I want to do, I run "Web"
It all depends on what you want to accomplish.
I am currently running about 139 windows of Firefox, each with multiple
tabs.
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x27;s webmail facility, until you
get your email problem resolved.
And, if you want your messages to be respected, and, to obtain
assistance, I suggest that you post meaningful messages, instead of the
<"expletive deleted"> message above.
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On 9/12/24 23:07, Bret Busby wrote:
On 9/12/24 22:53, gene heskett wrote:
I don't know if it will last long enough to send this msg. Help plz
Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
Why do you not
1. post the query to the Thunderbird email list (at
https://groups.io/g/ThunderbirdEmail
after subscribi
list, and,
2. include the version number of the Thunderbird that you are using,
and, the OS platform version, upon which you are running it?
If you are running the latest version of Thunderbird, on Debian 3.0, it
might not work very well...
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s for a Xerox laser, and I'm trying to avoid that. Some Reddit posts
favor Brother.
Thanks.
What country?
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system, and, then create your partitions,
and copy data to corresponding partitions.
What you are intending to do, reminds me of a movie that I once watched,
named Pet Semetary (sic).
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Bret Busby
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gin screen
is there a way stop this without disabling my password
As you are aware that the query is off-topic, perhaps, you might want to
subscribe to, and, post the message to, the firefox users mailing list
at groups.io .
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Bret Busby
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On 11/11/24 22:00, Michael Kjörling wrote:
On 11 Nov 2024 21:24 +0800, from b...@busby.net (Bret Busby):
Whilst this computer that I am using, has about ten USB sockets (including
four on the front), I expect that a similar workstation to this, would be
required, or, a proper server, with all
th Debian preinstalled...
https://laptopwithlinux.com/laptops-with-debian-linux-preinstalled/
https://www.debian.org/distrib/pre-installed
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inflatable plastic doll in the movie Flying High). That would deflate
the copilot.
As Judge Bullingham was likely to say, "Just plain common sense" (or,
words to that effect).
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Bret Busby
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On 5/11/24 04:34, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Tue, Nov 05, 2024 at 04:21:07 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
Microsoft Edge is currently based on Chromium (the "Blink" engine); it
used to be based on Internet Explorer (the "Trident" engine). Assuming
that you're not trying to
On 5/11/24 04:35, Peter Ehlert wrote:
On November 4, 2024 12:21:38 PM Bret Busby wrote:
On 5/11/24 02:24, Darac Marjal wrote:
On 04/11/2024 12:15, Hwa Peer wrote:
Hello list,
Have you anybody tried MS Edge browser on Debian desktop?
I would be happy to hear your viewpoints on this app
e who know, what you're asking is a bit like "Has
anyone used File Explorer on Debian" or "Has anyone used Windows Update
on Debian".
Thanks.
I understand google chrome to be spyware and a privacy and security threat.
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had previously
referred. Insofar as I am aware, some or most HTML 5 web browsers do not
recognise these frames, to the extent that I had to abandon the use of
frames. I had found these frames, to have been quite useful, in the web
sites that I had developed and maintained.
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Bret Busb
t the bolding ( Bold ) has
also been deprecated and replaced with strong or something similar.
What works and does not work, of what has been deprecated, can also
depend on the individual browser, and, what each inmdividual browser
will allow or not.
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Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
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