It's rust, not a Golang, mate.
Yeah everything would be rust :)
On July 10, 2025 4:12:46 PM UTC, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 03:48:52PM +, Andy Smith wrote:
>> Hi,
>
>[...]
>
>> As an aside, sudo-rs is packaged as of Debian 13 (trixie, currently
>> testing) and I've been
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025, Chris Green wrote:
> I'm running Debian 12 with XFCE on two systems.
> ... because I just needed a 'degrees' symbol.
On this Debian 12 machine (QWERTY keyboard) with Xfce, I have the following
keyboard setup : Xfce -> Applications -> Settings -> Keyboard -> Layout =
Englis
On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 08:19:32PM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
[...]
> I don't anything about Discourse's email bridging, if any --
There is.
> my possibly naive take is that email users are distinctly second
> class,
they are, that's my experience.
The most acute challenge with mail is that it
On 7/11/25 11:04 AM, John Hasler wrote:
I don't even know how people handle the shitload of emails flooding
into their inboxes
By using Gnus. It handles mail like news.
What package is it in?
Thank you,
Paul
As the name said, 'rs' stands for Rust, not Go, mate.
On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 06:12:46PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 03:48:52PM +, Andy Smith wrote:
> > Hi,
>
> [...]
>
> > As an aside, sudo-rs is packaged as of Debian 13 (trixie, currently
> > testing) and I've
We love libre software! I hope libre software still alive in the next years.
On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 03:16:54PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote:
> Jonathan Dowland (HE12025-07-11):
> > In short I think any attempt to provide a new place for users is going to
>
On Sat, Jul 12, 2025 at 09:51:19 +0700, Max Nikulin wrote:
> On 12/07/2025 05:24, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > 1) Configure a Compose key, then pressto make °
> >
> > 2) Do a web search for something like "UTF-8 degree symbol"
>
> grep -i degree /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose
>
David wrote:
> Something that I am curious to learn more about, if anyone has ideas, is
> the discussion at the above link about the need to have at least 'chmod
> 111' on mountpoint directories.
>
> I have not found that necessary, and so I wonder if that advice is
> outdated, or somehow not rel
On 12/07/2025 01:28, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
Whatever, the Debian question is whether "apt upgrade" changed this EFI
setting forth and back.
Is fwupd running on this machine? It might be direct update of firmware
either of the machine or of the dock station unrelated to .deb packages
and apt.
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 at 18:49, Hans wrote:
> > Permissions are stored for the root directory of each filesystem, which
> > are used as the permissions of the mount point when the drive is
> > mounted.
> Thanks, this is explaining all my questions. I always thought wrong, that
> mounted devices an
On 12/07/2025 05:24, Greg Wooledge wrote:
1) Configure a Compose key, then pressto make °
2) Do a web search for something like "UTF-8 degree symbol"
grep -i degree /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose
: "°" degree # DEGREE SIGN
: "°" degree # DEGREE S
Stefan Monnier wrote:
> >> Do you have a proposal then for a forum (as in, a platform for group
> >> discussion) that's more palatable to the youngsters?
>
> Zulip?
> Discourse?
> Lemmy?
>
> Ideally, such a thing would have good&nice bridges to&from email, but in
> practice I don't know any that
Andy et al:
Can't make the conference anyway, but I've always felt welcome and
supported on the list.
Thanks for that.
Bob Crochelt
On 7/10/25 01:48, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
Hi,
I'm at a chat in Debcamp about the experience for new Linux users and people
new to Debian. It can be intimidat
>> Do you have a proposal then for a forum (as in, a platform for group
>> discussion) that's more palatable to the youngsters?
Zulip?
Discourse?
Lemmy?
Ideally, such a thing would have good&nice bridges to&from email, but in
practice I don't know any that have such bridges (some have no such
bri
On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 20:44:13 +0100, Chris Green wrote:
> I only noticed because I just needed a 'degrees' symbol. I've used
> the character map accessory for years and would really miss it if I
> can't get it back.
I can't help you with your Desktop Environment accessories, but here
are a cou
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:44:13 +0100,
Chris Green wrote:
>I'm running Debian 12 with XFCE on two systems. There used to be a
>'character' selection program in 'Accessories' on the menu but it
>seems to have disappeared. How can I select the odd wierd character I
>need now?
>
>I only noticed becaus
On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 6:50 AM Joe wrote:
>
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 12:13:05 +0200
> Philipp Ewald wrote:
>
> > Am 10.07.25 um 15:14 schrieb Andy Smith:
> > > I know a large number of people under the age of 20 who literally
> > > say things like, "email is only for password reminders and my Steam
On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 3:50 PM Chris Green wrote:
>
> I'm running Debian 12 with XFCE on two systems. There used to be a
> 'character' selection program in 'Accessories' on the menu but it
> seems to have disappeared. How can I select the odd wierd character I
> need now?
>
> I only noticed bec
On 2025-07-11 at 15:44, Chris Green wrote:
> I'm running Debian 12 with XFCE on two systems. There used to be a
> 'character' selection program in 'Accessories' on the menu but it
> seems to have disappeared. How can I select the odd wierd character
> I need now?
I don't know what program tha
On 7/11/25 11:16, Maureen L Thomas wrote:
Well I thought of something that actually fixed the damn printer. When
I downloaded the damn updated file it changed the name from Laser Jet
Pro to something else. I just changed the printer name to the one I
have used from day one and it prints. I a
I'm running Debian 12 with XFCE on two systems. There used to be a
'character' selection program in 'Accessories' on the menu but it
seems to have disappeared. How can I select the odd wierd character I
need now?
I only noticed because I just needed a 'degrees' symbol. I've used
the character m
On 2025-07-11 at 09:06, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Thu Jul 10, 2025 at 8:10 PM BST, Dan Ritter wrote:
>> The web interface is exactly the same as the mailing lists, which
>> are exactly the same as the newsgroups, which also produces an
>> ATOM/RSS feed and an IRC bot. Any access reads and, if
> Permissions are stored for the root directory of each filesystem, which
> are used as the permissions of the mount point when the drive is
> mounted.
Thanks, this is explaining all my questions. I always thought wrong, that
mounted devices and folders on it, get the ownership from the folder, i
Hans wrote:
> > You have to chown/chmod the mount point *after* the drive is mounted. If
> > you do it before the drive is mounted it won't have any effect on the
> > mounted drive. (As you can see.) I really am not sure what else to say,
> > this is how it works.
>
> Ok, I did as adviced. Change
On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 08:19:47PM +0200, Hans wrote:
Just for understanding: What does this procedure affect? Does ist set the
ownerships to this device or does it somehow let the kernel remember or is
this owneship stored somewher else?
Permissions are stored for the root directory of each fi
Hi,
Wolf wrote:
> I have an illuminated keyboard, so I detected 3 changes when thunderbolt
> security set to user authorization.
>
> 1. the keyboard is activated and I can interact with EFI
> 2. the keyboard is switched off for a moment
> 3. the keyboard is switched on and I can interact with grub
On 7/11/25 20:02, Hans wrote:
Where are the permission be set at the drive? It is just a hardware without
any folders or files on. Freshly formatted. What can be done wrong at this?
Nothing is wrong. After a fresh format (mke2fs) the root directory
belongs to root:root, and that is what you se
> You have to chown/chmod the mount point *after* the drive is mounted. If
> you do it before the drive is mounted it won't have any effect on the
> mounted drive. (As you can see.) I really am not sure what else to say,
> this is how it works.
Ok, I did as adviced. Changed permissions and ownersh
On Jul 11, 2025, Hans wrote:
> Dear list,
>
> I am struggeling with a strange behavior when automounting my inbuilt
> harddrives.
>
> I have 3 harddrives, which are mounted to
>
> /space(sdc1) ext4
> /daten1 (sdd1) ext4
> /daten2 (sde1) ext4
>
> So all are the sam
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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2025 15:59:22 -0400
From: Maureen L Thomas
To: David Christensen
Well I thought of something that actually fixed the damn printer. When
I downloaded the damn
On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 08:02:48PM +0200, Hans wrote:
Why wasn't it what you "wanted"? It answers your questions.
What I want is, starting the machine and want all 3 drives automatically been
mounted with the same rights (here: like /daten1 and /space)
Do what you were told is the proper proc
> I don't even know how people handle the shitload of emails flooding
> into their inboxes
By using Gnus. It handles mail like news.
--
John Hasler
j...@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA
> Why wasn't it what you "wanted"? It answers your questions.
What I want is, starting the machine and want all 3 drives automatically been
mounted with the same rights (here: like /daten1 and /space)
I do NOT want to remount it manually at every boot.
>
>
> Because you are probably confused
On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 07:29:15PM +0200, Hans wrote:
This is not, what I wanted. The questions are:
1. Why does this happen only with one of the 3 drives?
You probably set the permissions on the other two drives after they were
mounted.
Hi,
On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 07:29:15PM +0200, Hans wrote:
> > The ownership of the underlying mount point is ignored (and should
> > generally be set to root:root mode 755 to avoid possible complications
> > in odd cases). You need to chown the directory *after* it is mounted.
>
> This is not, wh
> The ownership of the underlying mount point is ignored (and should
> generally be set to root:root mode 755 to avoid possible complications
> in odd cases). You need to chown the directory *after* it is mounted.
This is not, what I wanted. The questions are:
1. Why does this happen only with o
Andy Smith wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 07:07:03AM -0400, songbird wrote:
...
>> When trying to see what current recommendations are for setting
>> up SSDs I see no mentions of this at all? Has this changed?
...
> Just don't worry about it unless you have an unusually heavy write loa
On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 11:54 AM Andrew Makhorin wrote:
>
> > Sorry, I meant how long do you let the system keep chugging along after
> > it appears to hang?
> >
>
> The system itself remains working. The "Files" window gets dark and doesnt
> response, and it's impossible to close it.
>
> > When
Hi,
On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 11:58:04AM +0300, Anssi Saari wrote:
> Andy Smith writes:
> > I think it's worth considering the fact that new computer users are
> > increasingly less likely to use email and are more likely to find email
> > intimidating.
>
> Do you have a proposal then for a forum
On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 07:06:19PM +0200, Hans wrote:
So all are the same, and the mountpoints shall all have
ownership user:group = root:backup
However, the latest harddrive I added, wbhich is sde1 shows wrong ownerhips,
The ownership of the underlying mount point is ignored (and should
ge
Dear list,
I am struggeling with a strange behavior when automounting my inbuilt
harddrives.
I have 3 harddrives, which are mounted to
/space (sdc1) ext4
/daten1 (sdd1) ext4
/daten2 (sde1) ext4
So all are the same, and the mountpoints shall all have
ownership user:group = r
On Jul 11, 2025, Dan Ritter wrote:
> Dan Purgert wrote:
> > On Jul 11, 2025, Nicolas George wrote:
> > > Greg (HE12025-07-11):
> > > > Does that mean to a different filesystem on the same disk it's a move
> > > > rather
> > > > than a copy?
> > >
> > > The fact that it is on the same disk is not
On Jul 11, 2025, Greg wrote:
> On 2025-07-11, Dan Purgert wrote:
> >
> >> I use a mail to news gateway (gmane) that I find more convenient than
> >> email (to tell the truth, I don't even know how people handle the shitload
> >> of emails flooding into their inboxes).
> >
> > A sieve rule to stuff
> On 11 Jul 2025, at 16:45, Dan Ritter wrote:
>
> Dan Purgert wrote:
>>> On Jul 11, 2025, Nicolas George wrote:
>>> Greg (HE12025-07-11):
Does that mean to a different filesystem on the same disk it's a move
rather
than a copy?
>>>
>>> The fact that it is on the same disk is n
On 2025-07-11, Loris Bennett wrote:
>
> So I don't think the issue is just "youngsters", who are in my
> experience form fairly heterogenous group anyway, but more of a failure
> of understanding what exactly a mailing list is and what its advantages
> are. This problem may be exacerbated by the
Dan Purgert wrote:
> On Jul 11, 2025, Nicolas George wrote:
> > Greg (HE12025-07-11):
> > > Does that mean to a different filesystem on the same disk it's a move
> > > rather
> > > than a copy?
> >
> > The fact that it is on the same disk is not relevant. Apart from that, I
> > suggest you re-re
On 2025-07-11, Dan Purgert wrote:
>
>> I use a mail to news gateway (gmane) that I find more convenient than
>> email (to tell the truth, I don't even know how people handle the shitload
>> of emails flooding into their inboxes).
>
> A sieve rule to stuff all you lot into "INBOX.Debian-User" :)
A
On Jul 11, 2025, Nicolas George wrote:
> Greg (HE12025-07-11):
> > Does that mean to a different filesystem on the same disk it's a move rather
> > than a copy?
>
> The fact that it is on the same disk is not relevant. Apart from that, I
> suggest you re-read Dan's mail more carefully, everything
Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
On Friday, 11 July 2025 at 14:41, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Wolf wrote:
>
> > > > My default settings in EFI was Thunderbolt security: OFF.
> > > > Today, I changed security from OFF to "User Authorization" and now
> > > > keyboard is working.
> > >
On Jul 11, 2025, Greg wrote:
> On 2025-07-11, Joe wrote:
> > On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 12:13:05 +0200
> > Philipp Ewald wrote:
> >
> >> Am 10.07.25 um 15:14 schrieb Andy Smith:
> >> > I know a large number of people under the age of 20 who literally
> >> > say things like, "email is only for password r
On 2025-07-11, Joe wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 12:13:05 +0200
> Philipp Ewald wrote:
>
>> Am 10.07.25 um 15:14 schrieb Andy Smith:
>> > I know a large number of people under the age of 20 who literally
>> > say things like, "email is only for password reminders and my Steam
>> > login code". It'
Greg (HE12025-07-11):
> Does that mean to a different filesystem on the same disk it's a move rather
> than a copy?
The fact that it is on the same disk is not relevant. Apart from that, I
suggest you re-read Dan's mail more carefully, everything was in it.
--
Nicolas George
Greg wrote:
> On 2025-07-11, Nicolas George wrote:
> > Greg (HE12025-07-11):
> >> On 2025-07-11, Dan Ritter wrote:
> >> >
> >> > If the target location is on a different filesystem, a "move" is
> >> > a full copy followed by a delete of the source.
> >> Is that true?
> >
> > Yes, absoltely.
> >
On 2025-07-11, Nicolas George wrote:
> Greg (HE12025-07-11):
>> On 2025-07-11, Dan Ritter wrote:
>> >
>> > If the target location is on a different filesystem, a "move" is
>> > a full copy followed by a delete of the source.
>> Is that true?
>
> Yes, absoltely.
>
>> If the source is deleted as pa
Greg (HE12025-07-11):
> On 2025-07-11, Dan Ritter wrote:
> >
> > If the target location is on a different filesystem, a "move" is
> > a full copy followed by a delete of the source.
> Is that true?
Yes, absoltely.
> If the source is deleted as part of the process it's no longer a "copy."
Indeed
On 2025-07-11, Dan Ritter wrote:
>
> If the target location is on a different filesystem, a "move" is
> a full copy followed by a delete of the source.
Is that true? If the source is deleted as part of the process it's no
longer a "copy."
On Jul 11, 2025, mick.crane wrote:
> On 2025-07-11 10:52, Andrew Makhorin wrote:
> > >
> > > On Jul 11, 2025, Andrew Makhorin wrote:
> > > > I encountered a serious bug on moving files from one folder to
> > > > another with standard "Files" application in Gnome. Namely,
> > > > when the number o
On 2025-07-11 14:03, Andrew Makhorin wrote:
Sorry, I meant how long do you let the system keep chugging along
after
it appears to hang?
The system itself remains working. The "Files" window gets dark and
doesnt
response, and it's impossible to close it.
When moving files on the same dis
On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 02:06:03PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> (and the sites I am aware of using Mailman 2 are reluctant to move to 3.
> Debian does not use Mailman.)
I moved MM2 -> MM3 at the start of the year at the same time as I moved the
server from CentOS to Debian. It was a complete
On Thu Jul 10, 2025 at 5:48 PM BST, hw wrote:
The Debian package doesn't seem to be managed well. It even still
uses an init.d script instead of a service file.
Agreed. The last two versions of it were non-maintainer uploads; the
last of those was 18 months ago; the last actual maintainer upl
> Sorry, I meant how long do you let the system keep chugging along after
> it appears to hang?
>
The system itself remains working. The "Files" window gets dark and doesnt
response, and it's impossible to close it.
> When moving files on the same disk impression is, at least with dragging in
Jonathan Dowland (HE12025-07-11):
> In short I think any attempt to provide a new place for users is going to
^
> take a serious investment of time to make sure the place is not disregarded
> for being a ghost town.
I think this “for us
On Thu Jul 10, 2025 at 8:10 PM BST, Dan Ritter wrote:
The D language folks have a great system at
https://forum.dlang.org
https://github.com/CyberShadow/DFeed
The web interface is exactly the same as the mailing lists,
which are exactly the same as the newsgroups, which also
produces an ATOM/
mick.crane wrote:
>
> When moving files on the same disk impression is, at least with dragging in
> the desktop file manager, it seems instant. Whereas to another disk seems to
> make new files. I guess that when on the same disk the OS changes only
> something about the file description?
That's
On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 13:39:44 +0100, mick.crane wrote:
> When moving files on the same disk impression is, at least with dragging in
> the desktop file manager, it seems instant. Whereas to another disk seems to
> make new files. I guess that when on the same disk the OS changes only
> something
On Thu Jul 10, 2025 at 4:19 PM BST, Andy Smith wrote:
Twice this year I have had to join a Discord to get support for an
open source piece of software. Can we do better than Discord or are we
going to ignore everything that's not email until we all have to be on
Discord?
I think if there was
On 2025-07-11 10:52, Andrew Makhorin wrote:
On Jul 11, 2025, Andrew Makhorin wrote:
> I encountered a serious bug on moving files from one folder to another
> with standard "Files" application in Gnome. Namely, when the number of
> files in the distination folder is about 4,500, the "Files" app
I see trends where young user using "mobile numbers" rather then "E-mail
adresses" for registrations. I dont get it, dont ask me.
many changing email address after switching phones. Because create a new is
easy and there dont know there have any already
won't be as keen on handing them your d
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025, Loris Bennett wrote:
> John Dow writes:
>
>> On 11 Jul 2025, at 09:58, Anssi Saari
>> wrote:
>>
>> Andy Smith writes:
>>
>> I think it's worth considering the fact that new computer users are
>> increasingly less likely to use email and are more likely to find email
>>
hw (HE12025-07-11):
> (S)FTP is still in use like for cameras, scanners (printers) and phones.
Do you have a few examples of brand and models of cameras and phones
that use FTP?
--
Nicolas George
Hi,
Wolf wrote:
> > > My default settings in EFI was Thunderbolt security: OFF.
> > > Today, I changed security from OFF to "User Authorization" and now
> > > keyboard is working.
> > > I tested changing back from "User Authorization" to OFF and the keyboard
> > > became unusable again.
I wrote:
On Jul 11, 2025, Loris Bennett wrote:
> John Dow writes:
>
> > On 11 Jul 2025, at 09:58, Anssi Saari
> > wrote:
> >
> > Andy Smith writes:
> >
> > I think it's worth considering the fact that new computer users are
> > increasingly less likely to use email and are more likely to find email
On Jul 11, 2025, hw wrote:
> On Thu, 2025-07-10 at 13:55 -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> > [...]
> > Nowadays it seems like scp and sftp are the norm, not ftp.
>
> (S)FTP is still in use like for cameras, scanners (printers) and phones.
> For local usages I don't want to do all the hassle the certi
John Dow writes:
> On 11 Jul 2025, at 09:58, Anssi Saari
> wrote:
>
> Andy Smith writes:
>
> I think it's worth considering the fact that new computer users are
> increasingly less likely to use email and are more likely to find email
> intimidating.
>
> Do you have a proposal then for a
On Thu, 2025-07-10 at 13:55 -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 1:39 PM Charles Curley
> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 18:58:03 +0200
> > hw wrote:
> >
> > > When running it on Debian, filezilla shows a password request for
> > > anonymous logins, and the login fails. T
On Thu, 2025-07-10 at 19:09 +0200, john doe wrote:
> On 7/10/25 18:58, hw wrote:
> > On Thu, 2025-07-10 at 16:28 +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> > > On Thu Jul 10, 2025 at 11:45 AM BST, hw wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Right. Anonymous logins are allowed and I have created a system account
> > > > 'ftp
On Jul 11, 2025, Andrew Makhorin wrote:
> >
> > On Jul 11, 2025, Andrew Makhorin wrote:
> > > I encountered a serious bug on moving files from one folder to another
> > > with standard "Files" application in Gnome. Namely, when the
> > > number of files in the distination folder is about 4,500, t
Am 10.07.25 um 15:14 schrieb Andy Smith:
I know a large number of people under the age of 20 who literally say
things like, "email is only for password reminders and my Steam login
code". It's not that they are non-technical or uninterested in
technology, it's that specifically email is an unk
>
> On Jul 11, 2025, Andrew Makhorin wrote:
> > I encountered a serious bug on moving files from one folder to another
> > with standard "Files" application in Gnome. Namely, when the number of
> > files in the distination folder is about 4,500, the "Files" application
> > deadly hangs, and only
On Jul 11, 2025, John Dow wrote:
> [...]
> Granted, I’m an old fuddy-duddy who’s been using Linux since day 1
> (and UNIX before then), but email is the *perfect* medium for this
> type of interaction.
I'm not, but I agree here.
... though I did just notice the first bit of grey in my beard this
> On 11 Jul 2025, at 09:58, Anssi Saari
> wrote:
>
> Andy Smith writes:
>
>> I think it's worth considering the fact that new computer users are
>> increasingly less likely to use email and are more likely to find email
>> intimidating.
>
> Do you have a proposal then for a forum (as in, a p
Andy Smith writes:
> I think it's worth considering the fact that new computer users are
> increasingly less likely to use email and are more likely to find email
> intimidating.
Do you have a proposal then for a forum (as in, a platform for group
discussion) that's more palatable to the youngst
On Thu, 10 Jul 2025, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 19:34:58 +, Andy Smith wrote:
> > once alternatives are provided
Already provided since 2006 - it's called Mint and it has a forum
https://forums.linuxmint.com/
> > and decently supported, people actively choose not to use e
On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 10:39 AM Dan Purgert wrote:
> On Jul 10, 2025, songbird wrote:
> > hello all, some questions at last... it's been a while. :)
> >
> > I was able to get some SSD replacements and want to add them
> > to my existing setup, but in previous years I recall that there
> > was
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