Re: debian forgot usr pw

2023-12-07 Thread Max Nikulin
On 08/12/2023 08:49, gene heskett wrote: I've now set a root pw, about 34 chars, so they'll be a couple eons guessing it AND (horrors) have written it down. Consider pass phrases. Deep Dive: EFF's New Wordlists for Rand

Re: debian forgot usr pw

2023-12-07 Thread John Hasler
Gene writes: > AND (horrors) have written it down. That's the right thing to do. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: debian forgot usr pw

2023-12-07 Thread John Hasler
Greg writes: > And you should either *use* it once in a while, so you don't forget > what it is, or else make it the same as your regular account's > password. Write the damn thing down. The world won't end. -- John "Write all your passwords down. It isn't 1980 anymore." Hasler j...@sugarbit.co

Re: Local time in databases (Re: ntpsec as server questions)

2023-12-07 Thread tomas
On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 10:18:44PM -0600, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: [...] > All of these considerations are what brought Oracle to create a proprietary > "datetime" datatype and use it to store all "real" dates/times. If you need > a different format for display purposes or a human readable column

Re: Local time in databases (Re: ntpsec as server questions)

2023-12-07 Thread tomas
On Fri, Dec 08, 2023 at 09:11:12AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > On 07/12/2023 23:08, tomas wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 10:29:29PM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > > > On 07/12/2023 21:22, John Hasler wrote: > > > > Databases should never store local time. > > > > > > There are exceptions when sto

Re: ntpsec as server questions

2023-12-07 Thread gene heskett
On 12/7/23 22:08, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Fri, Dec 08, 2023 at 09:38:43AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: - IANA TZ DB does not support timezones disappeared before 1970. Ohhh, *this* is the kind of reference I've been looking for. So, we s

Re: Local time in databases (Re: ntpsec as server questions)

2023-12-07 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Thu, Dec 7, 2023, 8:11 PM Max Nikulin wrote: > On 07/12/2023 23:08, tomas wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 10:29:29PM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > >> On 07/12/2023 21:22, John Hasler wrote: > >>> Databases should never store local time. > >> > >> There are exceptions when storing UTC instead

Re: ntpsec as server questions

2023-12-07 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Dec 08, 2023 at 09:38:43AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > - IANA TZ DB does not support timezones disappeared before 1970. > Ohhh, *this* is the kind of reference I've been looking for. So, we simply acknowledge that historical clock

Re: ntpsec as server questions

2023-12-07 Thread Max Nikulin
On 07/12/2023 06:11, Pocket wrote: Because DST was not in force/usage except the metro NYC. Every where else didn't use/have it. That makes EST5DST correct except for NYC and America/New_York completely incorrect except of course NYC. Which is why I prefer to use EST5DST It may be a vali

Re: Local time in databases (Re: ntpsec as server questions)

2023-12-07 Thread Max Nikulin
On 07/12/2023 23:08, tomas wrote: On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 10:29:29PM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: On 07/12/2023 21:22, John Hasler wrote: Databases should never store local time. There are exceptions when storing UTC instead of local time leads to undesired consequences. Heh. There was one hug

Re: debian forgot usr pw

2023-12-07 Thread gene heskett
On 12/7/23 20:24, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 08:06:52PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: Thats bug #1. Single for rescue demands a root pw. This isn't a bug. It's just how things *are*. People who choose not to set a root password are simply setting themselves up for this failure

Re: debian forgot usr pw

2023-12-07 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 08:06:52PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > Thats bug #1. Single for rescue demands a root pw. This isn't a bug. It's just how things *are*. People who choose not to set a root password are simply setting themselves up for this failure. It *will* happen eventually. I strong

debian forgot usr pw

2023-12-07 Thread gene heskett
I had a 3d slicer I was quitting to restart it and re-organish its caxhe, took my machine to a lockup showing half a workspace on one half the screen and half an adjacent workspace on the other half of the screen, no responce to the keyboard and no mouse. 28 days uptime which was better than mo

Re: ToG Linux (first draft of a RFC) ...

2023-12-07 Thread Albretch Mueller
Hopefully finally! We should brainstorm our initial thoughts about it there and once we could envision some completion and continuing hope to it, we can move it into a formal github open source project: https://ergosumus.wordpress.com/2023/12/07/tog-linux-first-draft-of-a-rfc/ lbrtchx

Re: Could not find interfaces configuration file /etc/network/interfaces in Debian Linux 11 (bullseye)

2023-12-07 Thread John Hasler
Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: > UDM Pro runs Debian 11 (bullseye) I have a Ubiquiti router. Before I installed OpenWRT I explored the OS. It uses packages from Bullseye but it is certainly not Debian. You couldn't find that file because it isn't there. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com

Re: Could not find interfaces configuration file /etc/network/interfaces in Debian Linux 11 (bullseye)

2023-12-07 Thread jeremy ardley
On 7/12/23 23:52, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: Subject: Could not find interfaces configuration file /etc/network/interfaces in Debian Linux 11 (bullseye) You should confirm that the device is actually using that file. There are at least three different network configuration serv

Re: Could not find interfaces configuration file /etc/network/interfaces in Debian Linux 11 (bullseye)

2023-12-07 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 03:52:20PM +, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: > UDM Pro runs Debian 11 (bullseye) I don't think it does. Just because you found a file on the filesystem that says it does, is as trustworthy as the claims in your email that your client is called Henry Kiss

Re: Could not find interfaces configuration file /etc/network/interfaces in Debian Linux 11 (bullseye)

2023-12-07 Thread Dan Purgert
On Dec 07, 2023, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 03:52:20PM +, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming > wrote: > > [...] > > > Problem > > = > > > > On 6 Dec 2023, our client discovered that their UDM Pro could not perform > > firmware updates automatically. Their UDM Pr

Re: Could not find interfaces configuration file /etc/network/interfaces in Debian Linux 11 (bullseye)

2023-12-07 Thread tomas
On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 03:52:20PM +, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: [...] > Problem > = > > On 6 Dec 2023, our client discovered that their UDM Pro could not perform > firmware updates automatically. Their UDM Pro was running UniFi OS version > 3.0.20. Client wants to upgr

Re: Local time in databases (Re: ntpsec as server questions)

2023-12-07 Thread tomas
On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 10:29:29PM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > On 07/12/2023 21:22, John Hasler wrote: > > Databases should never store local time. > > I am anticipating a new branch of hot discussion. > > There are exceptions when storing UTC instead of local time leads to > undesired consequenc

Re: ToG Linux (first draft of a RFC) ...

2023-12-07 Thread Albretch Mueller
BTW, except for the GRUB/boot loading phase and its possible useful aspects relating to ToG-L (which I haven't found the time to study), I would say that 80%+ of the whole project I have already implemented with my lousy bash scripts skills and in java/GRAALVM as a first "proof of concept" and of

Re: ntpsec as server questions

2023-12-07 Thread David Wright
On Thu 07 Dec 2023 at 09:37:29 (-0500), Pocket wrote: > On 12/7/23 09:22, John Hasler wrote: > > Greg writes: > > > You'd think that you can determine the length of the test by > > > subtracting the start time from the end time, right? > > That would have worked had the times been stored as UTC (be

Could not find interfaces configuration file /etc/network/interfaces in Debian Linux 11 (bullseye)

2023-12-07 Thread Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming
Subject: Could not find interfaces configuration file /etc/network/interfaces in Debian Linux 11 (bullseye) Good day from Singapore, Background Information === Initially our client has a UniFi Dream Machine Pro (UDM Pro) acting as a firewall and router. Port 9 (WAN1) on the

Local time in databases (Re: ntpsec as server questions)

2023-12-07 Thread Max Nikulin
On 07/12/2023 21:22, John Hasler wrote: Databases should never store local time. I am anticipating a new branch of hot discussion. There are exceptions when storing UTC instead of local time leads to undesired consequences. Planned (future) events may be bound namely to local time. So if t

Re: ntpsec as server questions

2023-12-07 Thread Pocket
On 12/7/23 09:22, John Hasler wrote: Greg writes: You'd think that you can determine the length of the test by subtracting the start time from the end time, right? That would have worked had the times been stored as UTC (better yet, TAI or Unix time since UTC can cause a similar problem). Da

Re: ntpsec as server questions

2023-12-07 Thread John Hasler
Greg writes: > You'd think that you can determine the length of the test by > subtracting the start time from the end time, right? That would have worked had the times been stored as UTC (better yet, TAI or Unix time since UTC can cause a similar problem). Databases should never store local time.

Re: ntpsec as server questions

2023-12-07 Thread Pocket
On 12/7/23 07:16, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Dec 06, 2023 at 11:46:50PM -0600, David Wright wrote: On Wed 06 Dec 2023 at 18:16:42 (-0500), Pocket wrote: Which BTW this whole discussion about timezones is just water over the dam. The system should be set to UTC, the "timezone" issue is real

Re: ntpsec as server questions

2023-12-07 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Dec 06, 2023 at 11:46:50PM -0600, David Wright wrote: > On Wed 06 Dec 2023 at 18:16:42 (-0500), Pocket wrote: > > Which BTW this whole discussion about timezones is just water over the dam. > > > > The system should be set to UTC, the "timezone" issue is really just a > > "human" issue as

Re: Problem between kernel 6.5.0-5 (testing) and Realtek NICs ?

2023-12-07 Thread Erwan David
Le 06/12/2023 à 16:44, Erwan David a écrit : Le 06/12/2023 à 15:55, Erwan David a écrit : After upgrade to 6.5.0-5 (a 6.5.13 kernel in testing), impossible to use the laptop when Realtek card present (in dock). it boots, sddm works but anything which tries to access networking (even the ip com

Re: ToG Linux (first draft of a RFC) ...

2023-12-07 Thread Arno Lehmann
Hello, it's quite interesting that you use a platform such as wordpress, running code you can not control, to discuss such matters. Wouldn't it be more reasonable to self host, using a hoster providing decent privacy and aonymity or a technology such as Tor? Given the amount of time and effo

Re: Upgrade to 12.3 fails due to missing nvidia firmware package

2023-12-07 Thread Harald Dunkel
On 2023-12-06 17:20:16, Sven Joachim wrote: Maintainer uploads to (old)stable are staged in proposed-updates, so you would have to enable bookworm-proposed-updates to install the new version of firmware-nvidia-gsp. I missed the non-free-firmware for bookworm-updates and bookworm-proposed-upda