On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 06:06:50PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > Nevertheless there are rare cases only root can make changes.
>
> You mean cases where `sudo zsh -l` is not an option?
Up to now, there is exactly one case I am aware of when you'd wish
you had a root password: at boot, the root
Hi. I did a apt-get update changing from buster to bullseye and got
the above message -- should I just wait a few days and try again or
something else?
Thanks.
--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?
John Covici wb2una
c
On Sat, 14 Aug 2021 20:02:51 -0400
The Wanderer wrote:
Hello The,
>As do I. It may be possible that this is what makes the difference.
I'm almost certain that is the root of it.
I recall having to do this at the previous Debian release. I forgot
that I'm now using a new machine built after t
On 8/15/2021 3:46 AM, raf wrote:
Hi,
Firstly, many thanks for debian-11. I've been looking
forward to the newer bind9 and its dnssec-policy
finally making it trivial to implement DNSSEC on a
stable system. Yay!
My problem: A day or two ago, I tried to upgrade to
debian-11 on a little VM on my l
From my keyboard:
Attempted to upgrade my Buster system to Bullseye, on an
older Dell lappy. Which I thought would be quick and seamless
as it was from the previous version of Debian. Stretch I think?
So did an apt update, received the messages that Buster was ol
On 8/14/21 11:32 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:
The "-standard" in the image name means that this is a "Standard" Debian
installation, with no Desktop Environment. It probably doesn't have an X
server either, or X fonts, or any of the other things you would need in
order to actually run an X sessio
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 11:03:37PM -0400, lou wrote:
> i've copied debian-live-11.0.0-i386-standard.iso to USB stick and run it
>
> X app are included, but how to start X Window?
The "-standard" in the image name means that this is a "Standard" Debian
installation, with no Desktop Environment.
On 15/8/21 11:22 am, lou wrote:
and what is password for root?
You should be able to do
sudo passwd root
and set your own password
--
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OpenPGP_signature
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
On 8/14/21 11:08 PM, Weaver wrote:
At the prompt, type `startx'.
Depending on permissions, you may need to become root.
Cheers!
Harry.
startx don't seem to be included in ISO image
and what is password for root?
On 15-08-2021 13:03, lou wrote:
> i've copied debian-live-11.0.0-i386-standard.iso to USB stick and run it
>
> X app are included, but how to start X Window?
At the prompt, type `startx'.
Depending on permissions, you may need to become root.
Cheers!
Harry.
--
`Unthinking respect for authorit
i've copied debian-live-11.0.0-i386-standard.iso to USB stick and run it
X app are included, but how to start X Window?
On 8/14/21, Cindy Sue Causey wrote:
> On 8/14/21, Brian Thompson wrote:
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> Hash: SHA512
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I'm getting a 500 error when trying to access the apt-listchanges, apt,
>> and apt-listdifferences pkgreports on bugs.debian.org. It looks like
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA512
On Sat, 2021-08-14 at 22:42 -0400, Cindy Sue Causey wrote:
> Would Developers *very recently* flipping the release switch for
> buster/bullseye/bookworm affect that?
>
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2021/08/msg1.html
>
> Maybe
On 8/14/21, Brian Thompson wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA512
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I'm getting a 500 error when trying to access the apt-listchanges, apt,
> and apt-listdifferences pkgreports on bugs.debian.org. It looks like
> there is a problem with all of the pkgrepor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA512
Hello everyone,
I'm getting a 500 error when trying to access the apt-listchanges, apt,
and apt-listdifferences pkgreports on bugs.debian.org. It looks like
there is a problem with all of the pkgreports.
Here is one of the URLs:
https://bugs.debia
> Nevertheless there are rare cases only root can make changes.
You mean cases where `sudo zsh -l` is not an option?
Stefan
Hi,
Firstly, many thanks for debian-11. I've been looking
forward to the newer bind9 and its dnssec-policy
finally making it trivial to implement DNSSEC on a
stable system. Yay!
My problem: A day or two ago, I tried to upgrade to
debian-11 on a little VM on my laptop and I've run into
a problem.
On 2021-08-14 9:08 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 08:52:19PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
> wrote:
>> I got a series of line saying N and one saying E:
>>
>> N: Repository 'http://security.debian.org buster/updates InRelease'
>> changed its 'Suite' value from 'st
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 08:52:19PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> I got a series of line saying N and one saying E:
>
> N: Repository 'http://security.debian.org buster/updates InRelease'
> changed its 'Suite' value from 'stable' to 'oldstable'
> N: Repository 'http://security.de
On 2021-08-14 7:45 p.m., The Wanderer wrote:
> On 2021-08-14 at 19:41, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 07:26:44PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
>
>>> The warnings I'd be OK with; I might even be OK with the errors,
>>> except for the fact that they point not to anything with usef
On 2021-08-14 7:06 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 06:26:07PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
>> I had enough trouble with this at the last Debian release,
>
> ... but not this time, right?
>
>> For anyone who uses 'apt-get update' - and, I suspect, any other tool
>> than 'apt'
On 15-08-2021 10:02, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 2021-08-14 at 19:49, Brad Rogers wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 14 Aug 2021 19:28:32 -0400 Greg Wooledge
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Greg,
>>
>>> It will be interesting to see if anyone else reports the same
>>> problem you're seeing.
>>
>> I experienced it here.
>>
>
On 2021-08-14 at 19:49, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Aug 2021 19:28:32 -0400 Greg Wooledge
> wrote:
>
> Hello Greg,
>
>> It will be interesting to see if anyone else reports the same
>> problem you're seeing.
>
> I experienced it here.
>
> I usually use Synaptic to perform updates. Synapt
On Sat, 14 Aug 2021 19:28:32 -0400
Greg Wooledge wrote:
Hello Greg,
>It will be interesting to see if anyone else reports the same problem
>you're seeing.
I experienced it here.
I usually use Synaptic to perform updates. Synaptic put up the warning
message about the codename change, but I cou
On Sat, 14 Aug 2021 22:54:12 +0100 piorunz Informed me about
Debian 11 is released!
> Thanks all Debian devs and users, after over 2 years, new version is
> here! I am running it already on two computers and couldn't be more
> happier :)
>
>
> --
>
> With kindest regards, p
On 2021-08-14 at 19:41, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 07:26:44PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
>> The warnings I'd be OK with; I might even be OK with the errors,
>> except for the fact that they point not to anything with useful
>> information but to a place which doesn't actually
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 07:26:44PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> See bug #879786, and the various bugs that have been merged into it
> (listed near the very bottom, IIRC).
Man, some people have the most *bizarre* setups. And then when someone
points it out, they act all confused. :-/
Most of the
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 07:12:30PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> Maybe somehow I'm running an older apt-get version than what has the
> fix(es)? But as far as I know that's shipped in the 'apt' package, and I
> have that at version 2.2.4, which is what's currently in both stable and
> testing (unsur
On 2021-08-14 at 19:15, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 06:26:07PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
>
>> > E: Repository 'http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable InRelease' changed
>> > its 'Codename' value from 'buster' to 'bullseye'
>> > N: This must be accepted explicitly before update
Thank piorunz! i'll install it today
PS: www.debian.org hasn't published the news, 1st item in Project News
is bad news (mourning)
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 06:26:07PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> > E: Repository 'http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable InRelease' changed
> > its 'Codename' value from 'buster' to 'bullseye'
> > N: This must be accepted explicitly before updates for this repository can
> > be applied. See apt-se
On 2021-08-14 at 19:06, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 06:26:07PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
>
>> I had enough trouble with this at the last Debian release,
>
> ... but not this time, right?
Yes, this time; in fact...
>> For anyone who uses 'apt-get update' - and, I suspect, an
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 06:26:07PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> I had enough trouble with this at the last Debian release,
... but not this time, right?
> For anyone who uses 'apt-get update' - and, I suspect, any other tool
> than 'apt' itself - to update the list of available packages from the
I had enough trouble with this at the last Debian release, and came
close enough to having trouble with it again this time, that I want to
make sure the solution is available and findable for anyone else who may
need it.
For anyone who uses 'apt-get update' - and, I suspect, any other tool
than '
Well done to all - long live Debian!.
Heartfelt congratulations and thanks from a long term user who wishes he could
contribute more back :(
--
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Em Sáb, 14 Ago ʼ21, às 22:54, piorunz escreveu:
> Thanks all Debian devs and users, after over 2 years, ne
Thanks all Debian devs and users, after over 2 years, new version is
here! I am running it already on two computers and couldn't be more
happier :)
--
With kindest regards, piorunz.
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⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system
⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org
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On Sat, 14 Aug 2021 17:00:39 -0400
Thomas George wrote:
> Nevertheless there are rare cases only root can make changes.
>
> What to do?
Check out "sudo -i".
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https://charlescurley.com/blog/
On Sat 14 Aug 2021 at 15:31:07 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> On 2021-08-14 2:44 p.m., Brian wrote:
[...]
>
> > A Mopria-certified printer is not a reliable indicator of driverless
> > printing being possible on Debian.
> >
>
> If you say so, I'll agree with you because there'
On 8/15/21 12:31 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote:
Press Ctrl-Alt-F2 to attempt to reach a text console. If that's successful,
then he can login there (as root) and attempt to install whatever's required to
fix the problem
- that Text Console has letters too small for my poor eyesight :(
- is the
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 01:50:29PM -0700, Weaver wrote:
> On 15-08-2021 06:39, lou wrote:
> > more complete translation of subject:
> >
> > after debian installation, first boot fails, cursor in upper-left corner
> > blinks
>
> >From that, it sounds as if the installation has been successful, bu
On 2021-08-14 3:51 p.m., Curt wrote:
> On 2021-08-14, Michael Howard wrote:
>> On 14/08/2021 16:08, Charles Curley wrote:
>
>>> Don't forget IP over drums, and of course IP over lanterns in church
>>> steeples ("Two if by sea", etc.)
>>>
>>
>> Please take this shit off list!
>>
>
>
Thomas George (12021-08-14):
> The installation from a usb stick went smoothly. Everything works sudo
> commands work so I will rarely need to log on as root.
>
> Nevertheless there are rare cases only root can make changes.
>
> What to do?
sudo passwd
Regards,
--
Nicolas George
signature
The installation from a usb stick went smoothly. Everything works sudo
commands work so I will rarely need to log on as root.
Nevertheless there are rare cases only root can make changes.
What to do?
On 2021-08-14 21:39, lou wrote:
more complete translation of subject:
after debian installation, first boot fails, cursor in upper-left
corner blinks
Grub not finding the kernel ?
mick
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On 15-08-2021 06:39, lou wrote:
> more complete translation of subject:
>
> after debian installation, first boot fails, cursor in upper-left corner
> blinks
>From that, it sounds as if the installation has been successful, but he
has omitted to install a desktop environment.
He is still in a po
more complete translation of subject:
after debian installation, first boot fails, cursor in upper-left corner
blinks
On 15-08-2021 06:32, lou wrote:
> Antonio Russo, you don't understand Chinese language? i'm afraid you can't
> help
>
> OP might not understand English
>
> in OP's subject, he says debian installation fails, cursor in
> upper-left corner blinks
>
> in OP's message body, he want to you to explai
Antonio Russo, you don't understand Chinese language? i'm afraid you
can't help
OP might not understand English
in OP's subject, he says debian installation fails, cursor in upper-left
corner blinks
in OP's message body, he want to you to explain message in journal:
the unit systemd-hostnam
13.08.2021, 01:35, "Bret Busby" :On 11/8/21 11:03 pm, Andrey Ponomarenko wrote: The report is now available in Debian Salsa: https://salsa.debian.org/linuxhw/TestCoverage/-/tree/main/Dist/Debian_11 Hello all! See report here [1]. We have ~400 computers tested on Debian 11 at the moment. 10% of the
Dear moderators, I would appreciate if you could interfere.
This list recently is flooded with never ending arguing, and respect and
politeness too often got lost.
Same here as already for Michael Howards "Fwd: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss:
Meta: behavior on list)". See attachment below.
Marco
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On 14/08/2021 20:51, Curt wrote:
On 2021-08-14, Michael Howard wrote:
On 14/08/2021 16:08, Charles Curley wrote:
Don't forget IP over drums, and of course IP over lanterns in church
steeples ("Two if by sea", etc.)
Please take this shit off list!
IP overwrought, is that it?
On 2021-08-14, Michael Howard wrote:
> On 14/08/2021 16:08, Charles Curley wrote:
>> Don't forget IP over drums, and of course IP over lanterns in church
>> steeples ("Two if by sea", etc.)
>>
>
> Please take this shit off list!
>
IP overwrought, is that it?
On 2021-08-14 2:35 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 01:27:43PM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
>> Charlie Gibbs writes:
>>> Some people will respond by switching to a different e-mail address in
>>> order to work around the killfiles they know they're now in.
>>
>> Fortunately Gnus
and her is an off list reply reply from the less than honourable Polyna
Forwarded Message
Subject:Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2021 15:41:22 -0400
From: Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
To: Michael Howard
On 2021
On 14.08.21 21:35, Michael Howard wrote:
Give the normal amongst us a break. This stuff is NOT debian, it is
social ineptitude and it has to stop.
Form yourselves a chat group somewhere, just NOT here. Please?
--
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+1
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On 14/08/2021 20:25, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
Hi,
On 2021-08-14 2:53 p.m., Michael Howard wrote:
On 14/08/2021 16:08, Charles Curley wrote:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2021 07:37:00 -0500
John Hasler wrote:
tomas writes:
But... Usenet was /before/ 'phone, wasn't it?
Yup. Back in the 186
On 2021-08-14 2:44 p.m., Brian wrote:
> On Thu 12 Aug 2021 at 19:03:23 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>
>> On 2021-08-12 6:27 p.m., Brian wrote:
>>> On Thu 12 Aug 2021 at 15:33:26 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>>>
>>> Please give a link at the Mopria website substa
Hi,
On 2021-08-14 2:53 p.m., Michael Howard wrote:
> On 14/08/2021 16:08, Charles Curley wrote:
>> On Sat, 14 Aug 2021 07:37:00 -0500
>> John Hasler wrote:
>>
>>> tomas writes:
But... Usenet was /before/ 'phone, wasn't it?
>>> Yup. Back in the 1860s we did UUCP over manual telegraph. Earli
On 14/08/2021 16:08, Charles Curley wrote:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2021 07:37:00 -0500
John Hasler wrote:
tomas writes:
But... Usenet was /before/ 'phone, wasn't it?
Yup. Back in the 1860s we did UUCP over manual telegraph. Earlier
yet we used heliograph. Signal fires on hilltops were slow, but
wo
On Thu 12 Aug 2021 at 19:03:23 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> On 2021-08-12 6:27 p.m., Brian wrote:
> > On Thu 12 Aug 2021 at 15:33:26 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> >
> > Please give a link at the Mopria website substantiating your clain that
> > a Mopria certif
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 01:27:43PM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> Charlie Gibbs writes:
> > Some people will respond by switching to a different e-mail address in
> > order to work around the killfiles they know they're now in.
>
> Fortunately Gnus can filter on things such as substrings of message
Sorry, I didn't translate your title. (In the future, it's good form
to include all important information in the body of an email, even
if it duplicates the title.)
Does pressing CTRL-ALT-F2 give you a login prompt?
Is there any other text on the screen besides that single message
you have copied
Charlie Gibbs writes:
> Some people will respond by switching to a different e-mail address in
> order to work around the killfiles they know they're now in.
Fortunately Gnus can filter on things such as substrings of message IDs
and other identifying header features that the trolls are unaware o
On Sat Aug 14 10:23:31 2021 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
wrote:
> On 2021-08-13 4:59 p.m., John Hasler wrote:
>
>> Stefan writes:
>>
>>> How odd. I always assumed that it was the comic-strip style
>>> representation of the sound of hanging up the phone abruptly.
>>
>> No. I was there when i
On 8/14/21 10:35 AM, 先生陳 wrote:
> 查journal 最後是
> the unit systemd-hostname.service has successfully entered the 'dead' state
> 是怎回事？
Hello,
Please give the output of the two commands:
# LC_ALL=C systemctl status systemd-hostnamed
# LC_ALL=C systemctl status systemd-hostname
The service file *s
查journal 最後是
the unit systemd-hostname.service has successfully entered the 'dead' state
是怎回事？
On Sat, Aug 14 2021 at 07:02:31 PM, Keith Bainbridge wrote:
> On 11/8/21 00:14, Nicolas George wrote:
>> Based on past experience, I am favoring HP, because AFAIK they mostly
>> play fair about Libre drivers
>
> Good afternoon
>
> I'd like to agree that HP plays fair with drivers.
>
> A friend bou
On Sat, 14 Aug 2021 07:37:00 -0500
John Hasler wrote:
> tomas writes:
> > But... Usenet was /before/ 'phone, wasn't it?
>
> Yup. Back in the 1860s we did UUCP over manual telegraph. Earlier
> yet we used heliograph. Signal fires on hilltops were slow, but
> worked. And, of course, pigeons.
On 2021-08-14 9:16 a.m., Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Saturday 14 August 2021 08:44:44 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 07:37:00AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
>>> tomas writes:
But... Usenet was /before/ 'phone, wasn't it?
>>>
>>> Yup. Back in the 1860s we did UUCP over manua
On Saturday 14 August 2021 08:44:44 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 07:37:00AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> > tomas writes:
> > > But... Usenet was /before/ 'phone, wasn't it?
> >
> > Yup. Back in the 1860s we did UUCP over manual telegraph. Earlier
> > yet we used heliograph.
Le 14/08/2021 à 14:37, John Hasler a écrit :
> tomas writes:
>> But... Usenet was /before/ 'phone, wasn't it?
> Yup. Back in the 1860s we did UUCP over manual telegraph. Earlier yet
> we used heliograph. Signal fires on hilltops were slow, but worked.
> And, of course, pigeons.
I have a seconda
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 07:37:00AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> tomas writes:
> > But... Usenet was /before/ 'phone, wasn't it?
>
> Yup. Back in the 1860s we did UUCP over manual telegraph. Earlier yet
> we used heliograph. Signal fires on hilltops were slow, but worked.
> And, of course, pigeon
tomas writes:
> But... Usenet was /before/ 'phone, wasn't it?
Yup. Back in the 1860s we did UUCP over manual telegraph. Earlier yet
we used heliograph. Signal fires on hilltops were slow, but worked.
And, of course, pigeons.
--
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j...@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA
On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 18:29:02 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
[...]
> I'm using a Xerox B205 MFC and it's fully supported. Yes it's laser but
> the reason I am writing this message regard something else.
>
> It's the support of MOPRIA.
Looks like an idea worth examining. Let's lo
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 10:59:04AM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
[...]
> Be considerate to each other. Be polite - be helpful.
[...]
Thanks, Andrew :)
> Trying to make Debian a better place starts one post at a time. That's one
> of the reasons why I volunteer for the Debian community team.
On 14.08.21 13:36, Linux-Fan wrote:
Andrew M.A. Cater writes:
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 01:05:00PM +0200, Marco Möller wrote:
>
> Hello! Is there somewhere publicly accessible an archive of the
> conversations taking place in the #debian[*] OFTC channels? Would be
great,
> because I am not cons
Andrew M.A. Cater writes:
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 01:05:00PM +0200, Marco Möller wrote:
>
> Hello! Is there somewhere publicly accessible an archive of the
> conversations taking place in the #debian[*] OFTC channels? Would be great,
> because I am not constantly online and thus am unable to ful
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 01:05:00PM +0200, Marco Möller wrote:
>
> Hello! Is there somewhere publicly accessible an archive of the
> conversations taking place in the #debian[*] OFTC channels? Would be great,
> because I am not constantly online and thus am unable to fully follow
> conversations th
Hello! Is there somewhere publicly accessible an archive of the
conversations taking place in the #debian[*] OFTC channels? Would be
great, because I am not constantly online and thus am unable to fully
follow conversations there.
---
Always stay in good spirits!
Marco
On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 12:41:40PM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
> deloptes wrote:
> > @Brian communication with Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside is meaningless and
> > a waste of time.
>
> You should have stopped here.
>
>
> > I even had to google her, because I had the feeling I talk to a troll. I
On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 06:12:54AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 11/8/21 11:03 pm, Andrey Ponomarenko wrote:
> > The report is now available in Debian Salsa:
> > https://salsa.debian.org/linuxhw/TestCoverage/-/tree/main/Dist/Debian_11
> >
> > > Hello all!
> > >
> > > See report here [1]. We have
On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 12:11:37PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 2021-08-13 11:47 a.m., Gunnar Gervin wrote:
> > Thx to Polyna especially, for telling me that I have x86-64 machine. Do
> > not yet know x86 part but 64bit it certainly is.
> > In Mint 32bit i686 still. b
On 11/8/21 00:14, Nicolas George wrote:
Based on past experience, I am favoring HP, because AFAIK they mostly
play fair about Libre drivers
Good afternoon
I'd like to agree that HP plays fair with drivers.
A friend bought a HP laptop last year. His favoured distro is Mint(bunt)
which I have f
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