Re: 32 versus 64 bit reading list suggestions

2020-09-07 Thread deloptes
Andy Smith wrote: > Kind of suggests to me that changes specific to x86_32 aren't being > made, and when they are being made they aren't being tested except > by users in the wild. If you never upgrade your kernel and it's in a > more secure environment (e.g. device with only one user, not exposed

Re: 32 versus 64 bit reading list suggestions

2020-09-07 Thread deloptes
Andrew Cater wrote: > 32 bit Intel/AMD will likely disappear from the kernel if it becomes too > hard to support. I've just had a quick look at the Fit-PC site - all of > them look to be 64 bit capable. You want something low power - 64 bit ARM? > There does come a point when 32 bit x86 really isn

Re: how to test disk for bad sector

2020-09-07 Thread David Wright
On Sun 30 Aug 2020 at 08:02:24 (+1000), David wrote: > On Sat, 29 Aug 2020 at 19:51, Long Wind wrote: > > > sudo smartctl -A /dev/sda1 > [...] > > 188 Command_Timeout 0x0032 100 068 000 Old_age Always - 403733086445 > > That result does not look good. It should be a low number. I wouldn't take

Re: keyboard configuration stops working

2020-09-07 Thread David Wright
On Thu 20 Aug 2020 at 09:17:08 (-0400), Henning Follmann wrote: > > I have a strange one here. > I do have in my /etc/default/keyboard this option line: > > XKBOPTIONS="lv3:menu_switch,compose:ralt,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp,ctrl:nocaps" > > for some time this works fine. I am talking about the las

Re: Trouble with upgrading debian 7 (wheezy)

2020-09-07 Thread David Wright
On Thu 27 Aug 2020 at 19:44:56 (-0500), R. Ramesh wrote: > I finally decided to move from debian 7 to 10. As a first step I > wanted to upgrade to debian 8 (jesse) > > I changed all ftp.us.debian.org part in /etc/apt/sources.list to > archive.debian.org and tried aptitude update and got the follow

Re: Possible bug with my laptop built-in keyboard after update

2020-09-07 Thread David Wright
On Sat 05 Sep 2020 at 09:04:48 (+), Jose Mojada wrote: > It is the first time that I have a problem with debian that I have not been > able to solve by searching for information on the web. > > After the last system updates at the end of August, the built-in keyboard of > my laptop "Chuwi mi

Re: Help - How to paste from host (Debian) to Virtual machine (Win10)

2020-09-07 Thread Kushal Kumaran
Dennis Wicks writes: > Greetings! > > Is there any way that I can copy and paste from Deb host to VM Win10 > and vice versa? > Assuming you are using qemu-kvm to run your VM, the search keyword would be SPICE. You need to have the appropriate devices attached to the VM (a spice channel at the m

Help - How to paste from host (Debian) to Virtual machine (Win10)

2020-09-07 Thread Dennis Wicks
Greetings! Is there any way that I can copy and paste from Deb host to VM Win10 and vice versa? Many TIA! Dennis

Printed page vs. computer screen (was: Re: 32 versus 64 bit reading list suggestions)

2020-09-07 Thread rhkramer
On Monday, September 07, 2020 03:46:39 PM D. R. Evans wrote: > Sorry; I missed that. (I find it too easy to skim instead of actually > /read/ on a computer screen.) That's interesting, I'll say it this way first, then elaborate a little. I tend to skim more on the printed page than on the compute

Re: 32 versus 64 bit reading list suggestions

2020-09-07 Thread Andy Smith
On Mon, Sep 07, 2020 at 09:37:47PM +, Andy Smith wrote: > Basically there are already fewer upstream kernel developers that > care about and understand 32-bit x86, and bug and even security > fixes specific to 32-bit x86 lag behind those for amd64. KPTI fixes > to address Meltdown and Spectre t

Re: 32 versus 64 bit reading list suggestions

2020-09-07 Thread Kenneth Parker
On Mon, Sep 7, 2020, 3:52 PM deloptes wrote: > Charles Curley wrote: > > > I hope so. All I need is console capabilities, security software > > (firewall, etc.) and server software. I don't need an office suite or web > > browser for those machines. > > Same here. So it means we have 2-4years to

Re: 32 versus 64 bit reading list suggestions

2020-09-07 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Mon, Sep 07, 2020 at 07:57:18PM +0100, Joe wrote: > One practical point: it isn't possible to upgrade from a 32-bit > installation to a 64-bit one, it's a reinstall job. I did actually have > a go once, but quickly got bogged down with 'do A before B, and do B > before A'. I've done it

Re: 32 versus 64 bit reading list suggestions

2020-09-07 Thread Richard Owlett
On 09/07/2020 02:19 PM, Felix Miata wrote: For more reading, try the author's site: https://smxi.org/docs/inxi-installation.htm#inxi-manual-install I browsed some random pages in smxi.org . I think a more detailed read is in order. I suspect the tools there will answer questions I didn't h

Looking for a generic drag and drop gui for custom commands

2020-09-07 Thread Christoph K.
Dear all, I'd like to "automate" a couple of tasks that I (until now) do on the command line manually. Examples include splitting of video files using ffmpeg, run backups with specific parameters, display checksums(md5), etc. I'm tired of typing the same long commands that I often need to look up

Re: 32 versus 64 bit reading list suggestions

2020-09-07 Thread Richard Owlett
On 09/07/2020 02:03 PM, David Wright wrote: On Mon 07 Sep 2020 at 12:49:36 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: On 09/07/2020 09:51 AM, Felix Miata wrote: Richard Owlett composed on 2020-09-07 08:44 (UTC-0500): 2.What 32 bit utilities are there to identify the hardware capabilities of a

Re: 32 versus 64 bit reading list suggestions

2020-09-07 Thread Richard Owlett
On 09/07/2020 01:57 PM, Joe wrote: On Mon, 7 Sep 2020 10:12:11 -0500 Richard Owlett wrote: Answers I'm seem focused on too low levels. I'm interested in the end-user experience. One practical point: it isn't possible to upgrade from a 32-bit installation to a 64-bit one, it's a reinstall

Re: 32 versus 64 bit reading list suggestions

2020-09-07 Thread Andrew Cater
32 bit Intel/AMD will likely disappear from the kernel if it becomes too hard to support. I've just had a quick look at the Fit-PC site - all of them look to be 64 bit capable. You want something low power - 64 bit ARM? There does come a point when 32 bit x86 really isn't viable - that's round abou

Re: 32 versus 64 bit reading list suggestions

2020-09-07 Thread deloptes
Charles Curley wrote: > I hope so. All I need is console capabilities, security software > (firewall, etc.) and server software. I don't need an office suite or web > browser for those machines. Same here. So it means we have 2-4years to get ready. I guess one needs a bit more in order to compil

Re: 32 versus 64 bit reading list suggestions

2020-09-07 Thread D. R. Evans
David Wright wrote on 9/7/20 12:53 PM: > > That may be an unfair comparison as the OP has a 64-bit machine > running the 32-bit software, rather than two machines of different > generations. > Sorry; I missed that. (I find it too easy to skim instead of actually /read/ on a computer screen.)

Re: 32 versus 64 bit reading list suggestions

2020-09-07 Thread Charles Curley
On Mon, 07 Sep 2020 19:50:16 +0200 deloptes wrote: > > There are > > already problems with some software that just won't build well in a > > 32 bit environment. > > this would be unfortunate because I am sure there is enough 32bit > hardware out there still working quite well - like mine Geode

Re: 32 versus 64 bit reading list suggestions

2020-09-07 Thread Felix Miata
David Wright composed on 2020-09-07 14:03 (UTC-0500): > On Mon 07 Sep 2020 at 12:49:36 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: >> What should I read before attempting "inxi -U"? > man inxi on your buster installation. Then forget about manually > upgrading stretch's version: you're interested in what i

Re: 32 versus 64 bit reading list suggestions

2020-09-07 Thread David Wright
On Mon 07 Sep 2020 at 12:49:36 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: > On 09/07/2020 09:51 AM, Felix Miata wrote: > > Richard Owlett composed on 2020-09-07 08:44 (UTC-0500): > > > > > 2.What 32 bit utilities are there to identify the hardware > > > capabilities > > > of a particular machine? >

Re: 32 versus 64 bit reading list suggestions

2020-09-07 Thread Joe
On Mon, 7 Sep 2020 10:12:11 -0500 Richard Owlett wrote: > > > Answers I'm seem focused on too low levels. I'm interested in the > end-user experience. > One practical point: it isn't possible to upgrade from a 32-bit installation to a 64-bit one, it's a reinstall job. I did actually have a go

Re: 32 versus 64 bit reading list suggestions

2020-09-07 Thread David Wright
On Mon 07 Sep 2020 at 09:33:15 (-0600), D. R. Evans wrote: > Richard Owlett wrote on 9/7/20 9:12 AM: > > > > Answers I'm seem focused on too low levels. I'm interested in the > > end-user experience. > > > > E.G. what end user observable difference would there be between 32 bit > > based browse

Re: 32 versus 64 bit reading list suggestions

2020-09-07 Thread deloptes
Andrew Cater wrote: > In reality - there's very little hardware newer than ten years old that's > economic to run - x86_6r4 has been around for long enough that 64 bit > hardware is cheap. The overhead of compiling _pure_ 32 bit is significant > to keep going. It's not for nothing that Debian's 32

Re: 32 versus 64 bit reading list suggestions

2020-09-07 Thread Andrew Cater
In reality - there's very little hardware newer than ten years old that's economic to run - x86_6r4 has been around for long enough that 64 bit hardware is cheap. The overhead of compiling _pure_ 32 bit is significant to keep going. It's not for nothing that Debian's 32 bit target has gradually mov

Re: 32 versus 64 bit reading list suggestions

2020-09-07 Thread deloptes
Andrew Cater wrote: > Potentially zero difference - until the 32 bit browser just isn't there > any more / isn't patched. This is the sort of question that the debian-cd > team are also pondering: as the years go on, it is harder and harder to > justify 32 bit software at least for the x86 archite

Re: 32 versus 64 bit reading list suggestions

2020-09-07 Thread Richard Owlett
On 09/07/2020 09:51 AM, Felix Miata wrote: Richard Owlett composed on 2020-09-07 08:44 (UTC-0500): 2.What 32 bit utilities are there to identify the hardware capabilities of a particular machine? inxi For CPU bits specifically: inxi -Cy For all CPU capabilities:

Re: booting details

2020-09-07 Thread Thomas Pircher
anthony gennard wrote: > Is it possible to download an exact replica of the booting process which I > see hurrying too fast to read it (at least it is for my tired eyes). If you are using systemd and journald (I believe that is the default in jessie), then you could also try sudo journalctl -

Re: 32 versus 64 bit reading list suggestions

2020-09-07 Thread Richard Owlett
On 09/07/2020 10:09 AM, Reco wrote: Hi. On Mon, Sep 07, 2020 at 10:01:42AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: 2.What 32 bit utilities are there to identify the hardware capabilities of a particular machine? If you mean, "how do I check if my Intel/AMD CPU has that 64-bit capability", t

Re: booting details

2020-09-07 Thread Dan Ritter
anthony gennard wrote: > Is it possible to download an exact replica of the booting process which I > see hurrying too fast to read it (at least it is for my tired eyes). I am > trying to get up to date with this aspect of debian. On this machine I have > Jessie installed. Look in /var/log/boot.l

Re: 32 versus 64 bit reading list suggestions

2020-09-07 Thread D. R. Evans
Richard Owlett wrote on 9/7/20 9:12 AM: >> > > Answers I'm seem focused on too low levels. I'm interested in the > end-user experience. > > E.G. what end user observable difference would there be between 32 bit > based browser and a 64 bit based browser? > The short version: what Reco said

Re: 32 versus 64 bit reading list suggestions

2020-09-07 Thread Andrew Cater
Hi Richard, Potentially zero difference - until the 32 bit browser just isn't there any more / isn't patched. This is the sort of question that the debian-cd team are also pondering: as the years go on, it is harder and harder to justify 32 bit software at least for the x86 architecture. There are

booting details

2020-09-07 Thread anthony gennard
Is it possible to download an exact replica of the booting process which I see hurrying too fast to read it (at least it is for my tired eyes). I am trying to get up to date with this aspect of debian. On this machine I have Jessie installed. Thanks, Anthony.

Re: 32 versus 64 bit reading list suggestions

2020-09-07 Thread Richard Owlett
On 09/07/2020 09:28 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Mon, Sep 07, 2020 at 05:22:20PM +0300, Georgi Naplatanov wrote: You'll be able to use more RAM, CPU's registers. On the other hand some software vendors do not support x86 anymore - example: Google Chrome Expanding on this a little bit: the 64

Re: 32 versus 64 bit reading list suggestions

2020-09-07 Thread Reco
Hi. On Mon, Sep 07, 2020 at 10:01:42AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > >2.What 32 bit utilities are there to identify the hardware > > > capabilities of a particular machine? > > > > If you mean, "how do I check if my Intel/AMD CPU has that 64-bit > > capability", then it's: > > >

Re: 32 versus 64 bit reading list suggestions

2020-09-07 Thread Richard Owlett
On 09/07/2020 09:17 AM, Reco wrote: Hi. On Mon, Sep 07, 2020 at 08:44:28AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: I have two underlying questions: 1. As everything I currently use runs fine, what would I gain by switching to amd64 flavor? Short term - you'll gain nothing. Everything will wo

Re: 32 versus 64 bit reading list suggestions

2020-09-07 Thread Felix Miata
Richard Owlett composed on 2020-09-07 08:44 (UTC-0500): >2.What 32 bit utilities are there to identify the hardware capabilities > of a particular machine? inxi For CPU bits specifically: inxi -Cy For all CPU capabilities: inxi -Cay If these produce any errors, you'r

Re: 32 versus 64 bit reading list suggestions

2020-09-07 Thread David Wright
On Mon 07 Sep 2020 at 17:17:12 (+0300), Reco wrote: > On Mon, Sep 07, 2020 at 08:44:28AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > I have two underlying questions: > > 1. As everything I currently use runs fine, what would I gain by > > switching to amd64 flavor? > > Short term - you'll gain nothing. Ev

Re: 32 versus 64 bit reading list suggestions

2020-09-07 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Sep 07, 2020 at 05:22:20PM +0300, Georgi Naplatanov wrote: You'll be able to use more RAM, CPU's registers. On the other hand some software vendors do not support x86 anymore - example: Google Chrome Expanding on this a little bit: the 64 bit architecture has more CPU registers which co

Re: 32 versus 64 bit reading list suggestions

2020-09-07 Thread Georgi Naplatanov
On 9/7/20 4:44 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: > I switched from Windows when Squeeze was current and was working with a > mix of 32 and 64 bit machines. To simplify my life I used and continue > to use the i386 flavor of Debian. > > I have two underlying questions: >   1. As everything I currently use

Re: 32 versus 64 bit reading list suggestions

2020-09-07 Thread Reco
Hi. On Mon, Sep 07, 2020 at 08:44:28AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > I have two underlying questions: > 1. As everything I currently use runs fine, what would I gain by switching > to amd64 flavor? Short term - you'll gain nothing. Everything will work exactly the same, barring third-

32 versus 64 bit reading list suggestions

2020-09-07 Thread Richard Owlett
I switched from Windows when Squeeze was current and was working with a mix of 32 and 64 bit machines. To simplify my life I used and continue to use the i386 flavor of Debian. I have two underlying questions: 1. As everything I currently use runs fine, what would I gain by switching to

Re: diskless system's limited dhcp support

2020-09-07 Thread Dan Ritter
Ross Boylan wrote: > On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 3:37 PM Dan Ritter wrote: > > > The usual way is: > > > > 1. DNS record tied to a static IP address > > 2. IP address handed out by DHCP server based on MAC address of > >the interface > > > > This is especially normal when the root is served by

Re: xdg-mime

2020-09-07 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 05 sep 20, 12:07:17, Rainer Dorsch wrote: > Hi, > > is there a way to find out where xdg-mime gets its configuration from? > > I have > > $ xdg-mime query default application/pdf > gimp.desktop > $ > > but I would have expected okular. > > Just wondering if this is a wrong user configu

Re: VirtualBox - vboxpci

2020-09-07 Thread Georgi Naplatanov
On 9/7/20 2:03 AM, Keith Bainbridge wrote: > On 6/9/20 8:27 pm, Georgi Naplatanov wrote: >> On 9/6/20 12:17 PM, Klaus Jantzen wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I am trying to run VB 16.1.14 r140239 on my laptop under Debian Buster. >>> >>> After sucessfully signing vboxdrv, vboxnetflt and vboxnetadp I install