On Mon, 7 May 2018, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
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On Mon, May 07, 2018 at 01:47:51AM +, David Griffith wrote:
Could we start the process of identifying packages that have
dependencies on systemd in some way that is are not actually
required?
David
On Sun, 6 May 2018, The Wanderer wrote:
On 2018-05-06 at 21:25, David Griffith wrote:
What's the point of allowing libsystemd0 to exist when systemd has
been purged?
So that programs which interface with systemd can detect whether or not
systemd is present, and fall back to alternate code pa
Gene Heskett wrote:
> FWIW, its been 55 of those years since I last saw a Telefunken radio so I
> have no clue what safety pressure release mechanism is used by the
> German speakers electrolytics today, but on our side of the small pond
> that laps at out right coast, the cans are scored on top s
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On Mon, May 07, 2018 at 01:47:51AM +, David Griffith wrote:
>
> Could we start the process of identifying packages that have
> dependencies on systemd in some way that is are not actually
> required?
David,
I understand your concerns. I, myself
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On Mon, May 07, 2018 at 09:40:38AM +1200, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:
> On 07/05/18 09:26, Long Wind wrote:
> >some Chinese file names are properly shown in xterm in stretch, but other
> >are not
> >all Chinese characters can be properly shown in firefo
On Sunday 06 May 2018 23:10:54 Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:
> On 5/6/18, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 06, 2018 04:57:13 PM to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> >> On Sun, May 06, 2018 at 09:19:24PM +0200, Hans wrote:
> >>
> >> [...]
> >>
> >> > Check also the elkos, if they are blown thick, they
rhkra...@gmail.com composed on 2018-05-06 21:28 (UTC-0400):
> @Martin Steigerwald
> What a clever idea--security by obscurity, by setting your clock 8 years
> off...
> On Monday, May 10, 2010 05:58:42 PM Martin Steigerwald wrote:
>> Am Montag 10 Mai 2010 schrieb Nate Bargmann:
>> > * On 2010 10
Hello,
On Mon, May 07, 2018 at 01:47:51AM +, David Griffith wrote:
> Could we start the process of identifying packages that have dependencies on
> systemd in some way that is are not actually required?
Nothing has been stopping anyone from doing this since the day the
first package in Debian
On Sun, 6 May 2018 18:09:12 -0400
Felix Miata wrote:
> John composed on 2018-05-06 21:51 (UTC+0100):
>
> > How do I get a working computer? I can ssh in from elsewhere but
> > that is not what I need. And I need wifi.
>
> My Debian installations are all net installs that include
>
>
On 5/6/18, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, May 06, 2018 04:57:13 PM to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>> On Sun, May 06, 2018 at 09:19:24PM +0200, Hans wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> > Check also the elkos, if they are blown thick, they are also a problem.
>>
>> ^ electrolytic capacito
On 2018-05-06 at 21:25, David Griffith wrote:
> What's the point of allowing libsystemd0 to exist when systemd has
> been purged?
So that programs which interface with systemd can detect whether or not
systemd is present, and fall back to alternate code paths when it's not.
As I understand matte
On Sunday, May 6, 2018 6:28:07 PM MST rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> @Martin Steigerwald
>
> What a clever idea--security by obscurity, by setting your clock 8 years
> off...
> On Monday, May 10, 2010 05:58:42 PM Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > Am Montag 10 Mai 2010 schrieb Nate Bargmann:
> > > * On 20
On Sunday, May 06, 2018 04:57:13 PM to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sun, May 06, 2018 at 09:19:24PM +0200, Hans wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > Check also the elkos, if they are blown thick, they are also a problem.
>
> ^ electrolytic capacitors, for you non-German speakers
> :)
Thank
Could we start the process of identifying packages that have dependencies
on systemd in some way that is are not actually required?
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d...@661.org
A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What
On Sun, 6 May 2018, Patrick Bartek wrote:
On Sun, 6 May 2018 02:44:16 + (UTC) David Griffith
wrote:
Have any advances been made in figuring out just how to remove
libsystemd0 from a Debian 9 machine that's running sysvinit? The
ongoing presence of libsystemd0 has caused slowly-progressi
@Martin Steigerwald
What a clever idea--security by obscurity, by setting your clock 8 years off...
On Monday, May 10, 2010 05:58:42 PM Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Am Montag 10 Mai 2010 schrieb Nate Bargmann:
> > * On 2010 10 May 11:50 -0500, Dotan Cohen wrote:
Hi John,
Take a look at the relevant section of the installation manual at:
https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04.html.en
and then download the unofficial non-free installer iso at:
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/
You can put the
I remember changing the cmos battery some years ago. Maybe time to do it
again.
No storms preceding, during and after the described failure. Ups shuts
down system after 30 seconds if there is a power failure.
On 05/06/2018 05:02 PM, songbird wrote:
Thomas George wrote:
...
Box is between t
John composed on 2018-05-06 21:51 (UTC+0100):
> How do I get a working computer? I can ssh in from elsewhere but that
> is not what I need. And I need wifi.
My Debian installations are all net installs that include
tasks=standard base-installer/install-recommends=false
on the kernel c
On Sun 06 May 2018 at 13:55:32 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 05/06/2018 10:38 AM, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
> >Le 06/05/2018 à 16:22, Richard Owlett a écrit :
> >>I'm attempting to backup current partition to a USB connected 1
> >>TB drive.
> >>
> >>I get:
> >>
> >>>root@debian-jan13:/home/rich
On 07/05/18 09:26, Long Wind wrote:
some Chinese file names are properly shown in xterm in stretch, but other are
not
all Chinese characters can be properly shown in firefox
how to solve it? Thanks!
What characters? What is shown? What did you expect?
xterm uses fixed-size bitmap fonts which
On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 4:51 PM, John wrote:
> I have been a user of debian for many years on a number of computers
> as well as other GNU/Linux systems. Recently I discovered that my
> i686 32bit machine was out of support and they were not supporting
> 32bit machines any longer. After some bad
I have been a user of debian for many years on a number of computers
as well as other GNU/Linux systems. Recently I discovered that my
i686 32bit machine was out of support and they were not supporting
32bit machines any longer. After some bad experiences with Tumbleweed I
decided that I would in
Thomas George wrote:
> Selected shutdown from the window manager and the operating system
> turned off the computer as usual. Tried to restart the computer from the
> switch on the desktop box but it was totally dead.
try holding the power button down for a while
and see if that restarts it.
Thomas George wrote:
...
> Box is between two tables but managed to remove side cover and with
> mirror confirmed green light on motherboard. Unplugged power cord, green
> light goes out, reconnected power, green light on and power switch
> works, BIOS message Asus surge protection shut system d
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On Sun, May 06, 2018 at 09:19:24PM +0200, Hans wrote:
[...]
> Check also the elkos, if they are blown thick, they are also a problem.
^ electrolytic capacitors, for you non-German speakers :)
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On May 6, 2018, 12:44, Dan Purgert wrote:
> Thomas George wrote:
>> [...]
>> M
On Sun, 06 May 2018, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 05/06/2018 06:23 AM, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> > Anyway, it looks like it is giving you "unmount" when it thinks it is an
> > unremovable device, and the two others when it thinks either the device
> > or the media might be removable.
>
>
Thomas George composed on 2018-05-06 14:36 (UTC-0400):
> Box is between two tables but managed to remove side cover and with
> mirror confirmed green light on motherboard. Unplugged power cord, green
> light goes out, reconnected power, green light on and power switch
> works, BIOS message Asus
Thomas George wrote:
> [...]
> My records show I assembled this box from components in 2008. Should I
> be worried? Expected lifetimes of cpu, mb, power supply?
>
10 years is a good long time. Most bits you can figure 7-10 years on
average.
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Am Sonntag, 6. Mai 2018, 20:36:50 CEST schrieb Thomas George:
Check the BIOS-Battery. It might be low of voltage and might thus have
interferes with the bios, so that the "start" command was not correctly seen.
Check also the elkos, if they are blown thick, they are also a problem.
If there is s
On 05/06/2018 10:38 AM, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
Le 06/05/2018 à 16:22, Richard Owlett a écrit :
I'm attempting to backup current partition to a USB connected 1 TB
drive.
I get:
root@debian-jan13:/home/richard# cp -ax / "/media/richard/MISC
backups/dev_sda14/"
cp: cannot stat '/media/richard/
Box is between two tables but managed to remove side cover and with
mirror confirmed green light on motherboard. Unplugged power cord, green
light goes out, reconnected power, green light on and power switch
works, BIOS message Asus surge protection shut system down because of
unstable power su
On Sun, 6 May 2018 10:14:54 +0100
Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
wrote:
> Michael Lange:
>
> > [...] I discovered that the syslog had become rather huge, so
> > apparently logrotate had not been performed for months.
> >
>
> See the thread started by John Cunningham on this very mailing list on
>
On Sun, 6 May 2018 02:44:16 + (UTC) David Griffith
wrote:
>
> Have any advances been made in figuring out just how to remove
> libsystemd0 from a Debian 9 machine that's running sysvinit? The
> ongoing presence of libsystemd0 has caused slowly-progressing trouble
> with several machines of
--
Boyan Penkov
www.boyanpenkov.com
> On May 6, 2018, at 05:10, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
> wrote:
>
> John Cunningham:
>
>> I hate to wade into the pool of systemd hate, but is this systemd's fault? I
>> noticed anacron doesn't exist on this system. Is it supposed to anymore? Or
>> is that
On Sun, 06 May 2018 15:04:28 +0200 Felix Natter wrote:
> hello Debian-users,
>
> I am using virtualbox-guest-x11 5.2.10-dfsg-6, but when starting X11,
> "vboxvideo" cannot be found. The other utils ("copy and paste") do not
> work either.
>
> I notice that when installing "virtualbox-guest-util
Thomas George composed on 2018-05-06 12:14 (UTC-0400):
> Selected shutdown from the window manager and the operating system
> turned off the computer as usual. Tried to restart the computer from the
> switch on the desktop box but it was totally dead.
> Where to look for the failure? CPU, mothe
Hi,
Thomas George wrote:
> Tried to restart the computer from the switch on the desktop box but
> it was totally dead. [...]
> Where to look for the failure? CPU, motherboard, power supply or mechanical
> switch?
If it does not make any noise and lets not shine any light then the power
supply is
Selected shutdown from the window manager and the operating system
turned off the computer as usual. Tried to restart the computer from the
switch on the desktop box but it was totally dead.
Where to look for the failure? CPU, motherboard, power supply or
mechanical switch?
I never thought b
Le 06/05/2018 à 16:22, Richard Owlett a écrit :
I'm attempting to backup current partition to a USB connected 1 TB drive.
I get:
root@debian-jan13:/home/richard# cp -ax / "/media/richard/MISC
backups/dev_sda14/"
cp: cannot stat '/media/richard/MISC
backups/dev_sda14/home/richard/.local/share
On 5/6/18, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Richard Owlett wrote:
>> Thought I was doing that by specifying -x.
>
> Either cp -x has a bug or the target directory is not in a different
> filesystem than "/" and not a mount point of such a filesystem.
>
> Check the device numbers of "/" and "/media/
--
Boyan Penkov
www.boyanpenkov.com
> On May 4, 2018, at 17:19, Francisco M Neto wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I had a similar problem when I upgraded from Stretch (4.9) to
> Buster (4.15). The nvidia driver stopped working but after reinstalling
> it started to work again, supposedly because it
Hi,
Richard Owlett wrote:
> Thought I was doing that by specifying -x.
Either cp -x has a bug or the target directory is not in a different
filesystem than "/" and not a mount point of such a filesystem.
Check the device numbers of "/" and "/media/richard/MISC...".
E.g. like this
$ stat / | f
Am Montag 10 Mai 2010 schrieb Nate Bargmann:
> * On 2010 10 May 11:50 -0500, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > Yes, 4.2 and now 4.4 seem to behave badly without a clean ~/.kde. I
> > find that very disturbing and unstable.
>
> For the record, I had a clean ~/.kde for 4.2 when it hit Sid about a
> year ago an
On 05/06/2018 09:33 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
Hi,
Richard Owlett wrote:
cp -ax / "/media/richard/MISC
backups/dev_sda14/"
cp: cannot stat '/media/richard/MISC
...
File name too long
You tell cp to copy / including its sub tree /media/richard/... which is
the target of the copy process. So as
On 05/06/2018 09:26 AM, Brian wrote:
On Sun 06 May 2018 at 15:53:05 +1200, Richard Hector wrote:
On 06/05/18 07:35, Brian wrote:
On Sat 05 May 2018 at 11:06:25 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
What are the distinguishing features of unmount, Safely Remove Drive, and
Eject?
There are none. The
Richard Owlett wrote:
> I'm attempting to backup current partition to a USB connected 1 TB drive.
>
> I get:
>
>> root@debian-jan13:/home/richard# cp -ax / "/media/richard/MISC
>> backups/dev_sda14/"
>> cp: cannot stat '/media/richard/MISC
>> backups/dev_sda14/home/richard/.local/share/Trash/expun
On 05/06/2018 09:19 AM, Reco wrote:
Hi.
On Sun, May 06, 2018 at 09:07:50AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
On 05/06/2018 08:30 AM, Reco wrote:
Hi.
On Sun, May 06, 2018 at 09:05:19AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, May 06, 2018 08:11:25 AM Reco wrote:
Hi.
On
Hi,
Richard Owlett wrote:
> cp -ax / "/media/richard/MISC
> backups/dev_sda14/"
> cp: cannot stat '/media/richard/MISC
> ...
> File name too long
You tell cp to copy / including its sub tree /media/richard/... which is
the target of the copy process. So as soon as reading reaches that tree
it beg
On Sun 06 May 2018 at 15:53:05 +1200, Richard Hector wrote:
> On 06/05/18 07:35, Brian wrote:
> > On Sat 05 May 2018 at 11:06:25 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >
> >> What are the distinguishing features of unmount, Safely Remove Drive, and
> >> Eject?
> >
> > There are none. The device is eithe
I'm attempting to backup current partition to a USB connected 1 TB drive.
I get:
root@debian-jan13:/home/richard# cp -ax / "/media/richard/MISC
backups/dev_sda14/"
cp: cannot stat '/media/richard/MISC
backups/dev_sda14/home/richard/.local/share/Trash/expunged/73080846/grub2
problem-2018-02-
Hi.
On Sun, May 06, 2018 at 09:07:50AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 05/06/2018 08:30 AM, Reco wrote:
> > Hi.
> >
> > On Sun, May 06, 2018 at 09:05:19AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 06, 2018 08:11:25 AM Reco wrote:
> > > > Hi.
> > > >
> > > > On S
On 05/06/2018 08:30 AM, Reco wrote:
Hi.
On Sun, May 06, 2018 at 09:05:19AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, May 06, 2018 08:11:25 AM Reco wrote:
Hi.
On Sun, May 06, 2018 at 07:51:24AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, May 06, 2018 07:10:53 AM Reco wrote:
Hi.
On Sun, May 06, 2018 at 09:05:19AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, May 06, 2018 08:11:25 AM Reco wrote:
> > Hi.
> >
> > On Sun, May 06, 2018 at 07:51:24AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 06, 2018 07:10:53 AM Reco wrote:
> > > > Certain Modern De
On Sunday, May 06, 2018 08:11:25 AM Reco wrote:
> Hi.
>
> On Sun, May 06, 2018 at 07:51:24AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 06, 2018 07:10:53 AM Reco wrote:
> > > Certain Modern Desktop Environment™ is known for
> > > its effort to "simplify the things for the user". Som
Hi.
On Sun, May 06, 2018 at 10:29:41PM +1000, Charlie S wrote:
> On Sun, 6 May 2018 15:11:25 +0300 Reco sent:
>
> > Hi.
> >
> > On Sun, May 06, 2018 at 07:51:24AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 06, 2018 07:10:53 AM Reco wrote:
> > > > Certain Modern Desktop E
hello Debian-users,
I am using virtualbox-guest-x11 5.2.10-dfsg-6, but when starting X11,
"vboxvideo" cannot be found. The other utils ("copy and paste") do not
work either.
I notice that when installing "virtualbox-guest-utils
virtualbox-guest-x11 virtualbox-guest-dkms", no modules are built.
T
On 05/06/2018 06:51 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, May 06, 2018 07:10:53 AM Reco wrote:
Certain Modern Desktop Environment™ is known for
its effort to "simplify the things for the user". Some may even say that
it's "dumbing down things".
For the uninitiated (or old) among us, care to
On Sun, 6 May 2018 15:11:25 +0300 Reco sent:
> Hi.
>
> On Sun, May 06, 2018 at 07:51:24AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 06, 2018 07:10:53 AM Reco wrote:
> > > Certain Modern Desktop Environment™ is known for
> > > its effort to "simplify the things for the user". Som
On 05/06/2018 06:23 AM, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
On Sat, 05 May 2018, Richard Owlett wrote:
What are the distinguishing features of unmount, Safely Remove Drive, and
Eject?
Usually it goes like this:
unmount: exactly what it says. Likely operates only on a single
filesystem (device
Hi.
On Sun, May 06, 2018 at 07:51:24AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, May 06, 2018 07:10:53 AM Reco wrote:
> > Certain Modern Desktop Environment™ is known for
> > its effort to "simplify the things for the user". Some may even say that
> > it's "dumbing down things".
>
> F
On Sunday, May 06, 2018 07:10:53 AM Reco wrote:
> Certain Modern Desktop Environment™ is known for
> its effort to "simplify the things for the user". Some may even say that
> it's "dumbing down things".
For the uninitiated (or old) among us, care to enlighten us?
On Sat, 05 May 2018, Richard Owlett wrote:
> What are the distinguishing features of unmount, Safely Remove Drive, and
> Eject?
Usually it goes like this:
unmount: exactly what it says. Likely operates only on a single
filesystem (device may have many, if it is partitioned, etc). Will
flush cac
Hi.
On Sun, May 06, 2018 at 10:15:11AM +0200, Felix Dietrich wrote:
> Reco writes:
>
> > But, considering *who* designed DE in question, it may be for the best
> > that users are oblivious about this particular feature ;).
>
> What is „DE” referring to?
"Desktop Environment". Certain M
On Sat, 05 May 2018, Liam O'Toole wrote:
> On 2018-05-05, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> > On Fri, 04 May 2018, Dinesh Iyer wrote:
> >> "You'll have to talk to whoever is providing you your older version of
> >> GStreamer. They will have to backport the fix to that old version, but it
> >> s
Felix Dietrich wrote:
> Reco writes:
>
>> But, considering *who* designed DE in question, it may be for the best
>> that users are oblivious about this particular feature ;).
>
> What is „DE” referring to?
i'm guessing Desktop Environment...
songbird
Michael Lange:
[...] I discovered that the syslog had become rather huge, so
apparently logrotate had not been performed for months.
See the thread started by John Cunningham on this very mailing list on
this topic 6 days before you did.
John Cunningham:
I hate to wade into the pool of systemd hate, but is this systemd's
fault? I noticed anacron doesn't exist on this system. Is it supposed
to anymore? Or is that one of the things that have been deprecated? If
so, how are the /etc/cron.daily jobs getting run these days?
You'l
David Wright writes:
> I can't understand why Debian would involve itself in writing
> tutorials for commands like mount, ls, and so on, or glossaries
> of terms like strictatime and device file.
>
> All this is standard linux/unix information, well catered for by
> libraries of books from severa
Reco writes:
> But, considering *who* designed DE in question, it may be for the best
> that users are oblivious about this particular feature ;).
What is „DE” referring to?
--
Felix Dietrich
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